Re: Lathe question
Thanks Paul! Your cogent remarks cut through all the BS. Now to pump you for more info What brands do you like? Or is it mostly a matter of looking for those primo machines sitting in a garage never used? We all wish... But for the rest of us not seeing open garages with lathes beckoning...what do you suggest? ~Gary - The Train Trestle Nut www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor - Original Message - From: Paul Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Lathe question Gary wrote: What about companies like Prazi (I saw another either German or Austrian lathe/mill product at the Model Engineer's show in Eugene, Oregon last weekend), Shopmaster, Simplex, compared to Myford for example? Prazi's, in my opinion, are significantly overpriced. Shoptask machines have a serious lack of rigidity. If you're in North America, Myford's might as well have platinum beds for what they cost:) -- Paul Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorianmen -- Owner
Lathes for Live Steamers
Clint and any other interested parties... http://www.littlemachineshop.com/Info/minilathe_compare.php This page provides a chart comparing the China/Taiwan mini-lathes. If anyone knows of a similar chart comparing a bunch of brands I would be interested. Go to http://www.mini-lathe.com there is a good comparison review of them, also some info on the mini mills http://www.homier.com has the best pricing on the same machines, and faster shipping, and My opinion excellent service on warrantee items. http://www.littlemachineshop.com sells tooling and accessories for them Clint
Re: boiler insulation
Tony, 'twas not me in Sacramento. Never been there. And I have yet to burn any cork. I've cut cork, drilled cork, popped a few corks, but I have yet to burn any. Burnt my share of other materials, though... Just not in Sacramento. Later, K
Boiler lagging
I have used fibreglass - woven mat rather than chopstrand - for boiler lagging. Put a layer of heavy-duty aluminium cooking foil on each side and get the lady of your life to sew horizontally and vertically [say about 60mm apart for a 16mm scale boiler]. Also, run the sewing machine just in from the edge of the blanket so it can be trimmed to the right size with a scissors. Shiny side of foil towards boiler, to send heat back where it belongs. Cut-outs eg. for dome, can also be reinforced with stitching. For a thicker blanket make up a sandwich of: foil-fibreglass-foil-fibreglass-foil etc. I've also used layers of felt, always interspersed with HD foil and stitched, for bigger locos eg 7ΒΌ gauge. This way you get a real blanket, which holds together when handling and assembling. Don Baker
Re: boiler insulation
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:50:21 +0100, mart.towers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Ciambrone, Steve @ OS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: RE: boiler insulation Weetabix packet? USA translation Please. Weetabix - a kind of dessicated, compressed, wheat grain residue, sold in briquette form. In comparison, the southern US 'grits' are a sophisticated highly palatable breakfast cereal. Art Walker Is this held in place with Vegamite? Bruce Gathman
Re: Lathes for Live Steamers
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:12:42 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/2/02 7:25:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It must be really nice to have such a modern lathe! What is really nice is that it sat in his garage for 20 years without being used. I also got a 4 jaw and 3 jaw and many accesories. It was the deal of the century! Bob Would you become my personal shopper. You seem to be getting good deals all the time. I am looking for an Aster Big Boy or Allegheny at Ruby prices. Bruce Gathman
For sale
I put an ad on the SitG website for my SRRL #24 if anybody is interested. I'm asking $2200 - more is fine, less might be ok, and with a full price offer I will generously include a partially full bottle of steam oil and some AA batteries!
Re: boiler insulation
Come on Bruce!--You wrote Is this held in place with Vegamite?. Now learn yer continents--Aussies use VEGAMITE as glue and even eat it. Brits (like Sir Arthur) use MARMITE as glue and even eat it. I use both-- and have no trouble sticking Weetabix to the roof of my mouth so I'm sure it will stick it to the boiler. However, in addition, I stick my ceramic sheet to the boiler with good bathroom caulk mixed with Elmers glue. Try getting it off later!! Geoff On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:50:21 +0100, mart.towers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Ciambrone, Steve @ OS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: RE: boiler insulation Weetabix packet? USA translation Please. Weetabix - a kind of dessicated, compressed, wheat grain residue, sold in briquette form. In comparison, the southern US 'grits' are a sophisticated highly palatable breakfast cereal. Art Walker Is this held in place with Vegamite? Bruce Gathman
RE: Project Locomotive
Gordon, Thank you for the personal attention and recommendations for a coal-fired 4-4-0 design. Your insight into frame rigidity and weight distribution are not things that would be obvious to a tyro. If I can get to Diamondhead I would be honored to have a beer with you. Wheels indeed are a challenge. After doing some research in a stack of back issues of Narrow Gauge Shortline Gazette I realize that wheels from a 1:32 model might not look right if used for a 1:20 conversion from a 1:32 kit of parts. The first realization from this research was that our typical small NG live steamers represent very dimunitive prototypes. In the NGSL drawings (most were 2-6-0's and 2-6-2's) driver diameters ranged from 31 to 62, full scale, or about 42mm to 82mm at 1:20. By comparison a RH Billy driver at 33mm dia. scales to ~25. There were only two 4-4-0's in the 21 drawings that I looked at. One was a tiny Mt. Gretna loco with 34 drivers, which scale to ~45mm dia. at 1:20. The other 4-4-0 was VT #25 with 62 drivers. The lesson to me was that a well-proportioned, high-stepping 4-4-0 in 1:32 was not likely going to convert to anything similar at 1:20. And if one wants a model of a high-stepping, mainline 4-4-0 or 4-6-0 then 1:32 is not an unreasonable approach to keep size and cost in control. Regards, Steve Shyvers
RE: Project Locomotive
There were only two 4-4-0's in the 21 drawings that I looked at. One was a tiny Mt. Gretna loco with 34 drivers, which scale to ~45mm dia. at 1:20. The other 4-4-0 was VT #25 with 62 drivers. Steve, Even these drawings are not of much use for 1:20.3. The Mt. Gretna loco was a 2-footer, while the VT was a standard gauge line. You could do the Mt. Gretna engine in 1:19 for 0-gauge track, and you could use the VT engine for your 1:32 std. ga. loco. The Calif. RR Museum has a full set of plans available for the 3-foot gauge Sonoma, if you're looking for something to do in 1:20.3, and Model Railroader published a scale drawing of the Eureka three or four years ago. But, as you mentioned, a scale jump is basically impossible without replacing a very large number of really essential parts. Oh, well regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
Re: Lathe question
Hi Gary, The Prazi agent in Huntingdon Beach. LA is asking $3,895 for the 8 x20 D2400, and $6,400 for the 10 x 24 D6000. These are manual lathes. The 2 axis CNC D6000 machine is obviously higher. (i did not ask). They are offering 20% discounts on these prices. but still expensive, compared to other options offered. Tony D. At 03:29 PM 10/2/02 -0700, you wrote: What about companies like Prazi (I saw another either German or Austrian lathe/mill product at the Model Engineer's show in Eugene, Oregon last weekend), Shopmaster, Simplex, compared to Myford for example? Since Myford seems to be a good standard to measure other mid to mini sized lathes. ~Gary - The Train Trestle Nut www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor Some urls I found of interest while trying to find a site that compares lathes. http://www.shoptask.com/machine.htm ? http://www.shoptask.com/machine.htm ? http://www.littlemachineshop.com/default.php http://www.rcsiemers.com/ hobby lathes Dekavan / Sherline http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html listing of huge number of lathes from all over the world http://www.mini-lathe.com/Links.htm#Lathe_Vendors Mini-Lathes link list of lathe and mill venders - Original Message - From: Ciambrone, Steve @ OS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:14 PM Subject: RE: boiler insulation Weetabix packet? USA translation Please. Sincerely Steve Ciambrone Sr. Test Engineer L-3 Ocean Systems
RE: Project Locomotive
Hi Vance, I realized the differences in gauges and corresponding proportions. One purpose of the exercise was just to see how various prototypes, when scaled to a 1:20 model, would compare to existing models and parts with which I was familiar. Thank you for the recommendations. I will look for them. Regards, Steve
Re: Lathe question
Hi Paul, I think Prazi's must carry a BMW badge also!. i.e significantly overpriced. Tony D. At 06:36 PM 10/2/02 -0400, you wrote: Gary wrote: What about companies like Prazi (I saw another either German or Austrian lathe/mill product at the Model Engineer's show in Eugene, Oregon last weekend), Shopmaster, Simplex, compared to Myford for example? Prazi's, in my opinion, are significantly overpriced. Shoptask machines have a serious lack of rigidity. If you're in North America, Myford's might as well have platinum beds for what they cost:) -- Paul Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorianmen -- Owner
Re: boiler insulation
Hi Kevin, Sorry, Mistaken identity. (Or still in denial!). Thought I had tracked down the culprit!. Regards, Tony D. At 10:32 PM 10/2/02 -0600, you wrote: Tony, 'twas not me in Sacramento. Never been there. And I have yet to burn any cork. I've cut cork, drilled cork, popped a few corks, but I have yet to burn any. Burnt my share of other materials, though... Just not in Sacramento. Later, K
micro torch - which kind to choose?
I bought a Bernzomatic (www.b...com) micro torch (model ST100T) to solder some accessories for my future garden rr. The one I got is hard to fill (next to impossible to get liquid butane in, it drops from the can when filling); so I am going to exchange it. There is another, more expensive model, where the burner is in a 90 degree angle to the fuel tank and it got a stand. When using my nearly empty micro torch, I realized that the flame was not stable when I tilted the torch into a horizontal position which was required for my specific job. So, should I spend Can. $ 25 more for the other model, where the burner is already in a horizontal position? I won't build my own boilers in the foreseeable future, but would like to have a versatile micro torch for various small and easy projects. Which kind should I choose? Matthias __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
re: Project Locomotive/wheels
Gordon mentioned earlier in this thread that one source of wheel castings has dried up with the demise of Locosteam in the UK. However any gap is pretty well covered by the ranges available from Walsall from Mark Wood. The latter certainly has some 'ng' wheel castings suitable for US ng, ie 1/20 scale for Ga1. I know 'cos I have some in my wheel vault waiting the call. I mean by 'ng' castings, wheels of relatively large diameter but with small number of spokes. I think 30 36 sizes are covered. I would not think there would be any problem with 1/32 stuff. I imagine these are or can be available through Sulphur Springs. Art Walker
re: Project Locomotive/wheels
The last time I looked at the Woods product list, the only US narrow gauge casting he had was for the C-16. That's good, but it doesn't cover much territory. Has he expanded the narrow gauge line? regards, -vance- Vance Bass Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA Small-scale live steam resources: http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass
re: Project Locomotive/wheels
At 05:59 PM 10/3/02 -0600, you wrote: The last time I looked at the Woods product list, the only US narrow gauge casting he had was the C-16 . . . . Has he expanded the narrow gauge line? vance Vance, Not to my knowledge. The last time I heard, Mark was running around two years out on new patterns so there may very well be something new in the works, it just may not be seen for a while. Regards, Harry
