Re: Project wheel castings:

[John Kowalchuk]

At 10:46 PM 7/24/03 -0500, Harry Wade wrote:
>The #G1841 is a 12 spoke tender, finishing to
>37-40mm (1.456"-1.575").

Sorry, I mis-typed.

The smaller castings I have, meant for the tender are 1833, rough casting
dia. 1.5+", 10 spoke.  The 1909 is the 16 spoke driver that I have.

John Kowalchuk  maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes
Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1

Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. 

Re: Radiant Burner Design

[Vance Bass]

> Oddly enough, with the fire burning more efficiently
> there is less heat going out the smoke stack, while the
> boiler heats faster! 

I assume that this means your steam plume is improved, too, since 
you don't have waste heat re-evaporating the water coming out of the 
cylinders?


-vance-

"I'd never just want to do what everybody else did. I'd be contributing 
to the sameness of everything." Captain Beefheart
 

Re: Radiant Burner Design

[Gary]

Same occured for my radiant burner, very quiet and frugal with the gas. The
main problem is the Steamlines Shay has no sight glass. So, with longer fuel
runs, water is even more critical.

I can always see the fire and feel some heat. Oddly enough, with the fire
burning more efficiently there is less heat going out the smoke stack, while
the boiler heats faster!

Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor

- Original Message -
From: Chad R Schend
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: RE: Radiant Burner Design


Gary I was wondering if you looked at what I did to my C-16 and Shay?
I used a smaller diameter tube than the stock one and cut the slots at a 45
degree
angle. I made the top mesh 1 1/2 inches longer than the tube.
Mine works great for me except I have to turn the gas down so low that I
can't
hear it anymore.
Chad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:25 PM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Radiant Burner Design


Experimenting with burners I discovered that even an open slot (cut off the
top of a tube) yeilds a flame that is stacked up at the end of the burner.
I thought the pressured gas simply kept the flame at the end of the burner.
What would the flame look like if the burner was longer?
Well, the flame still goes out about fvie inches.

I wonder if some SS screen is cut so it sits blocking the burner tube, if
that screen would serve to slow down the gas/air mix closer to the orifice
and encourage the flame to burn closer to the jet nozzle?

Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor

- Original Message -
From: Mike Eorgoff
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:26 PM
Subject: Radiant Burner Design


My noggin is working tonight. :-)

Les told me that the reason that the radiant burner design by Kevin O'Connor
and like I read, uses slots that increase in depth from the FAR end of the
tube to the end near the jet.  This is to even out the flame burning along
the whole length of the burner.  Why?  I remember about the far end burns
more than the near end if the slots are cut evenly.  Is this an effect like
that is used in steam injectors where the high velocity stream from the gas
orifice is used to drag in and along another material?  Do the initial slots
allow air to be dragged in increasing the volume of material in the burner
tube, which then piles up at the end?  I know that there are air holes
before the stream passes the back end and gets into the burner tube.  But
what is causing the flame to be greater at the end?  Why does the gas/air
mix get down to the end of the tube in greater quantity requiring the
inverse slot depth?  I can contemplate that the smaller end slots in effect
re-meter the mix to be burnt, but why is there more mix at the end?

The other thing is the screen mesh at the burner level, not the radiant
mesh.  I was looking up SS 60 Mesh cloth, and stumbled on the fact that
Market Grade Cloth of Plain Weave has an open area of 30.25% and aperture
size of 0.0075" sq.  There was another type described as Bolting Grade Cloth
of Plain Weave with an open area of 57.8% and aperture size of 0.0126 sq.
H.  Looks like we have another restriction in the flow path.  It would
seem that all those slots are being restricted to 30.25% of their cut
opening size.Does this mean that we are putting 70% too much mix down
the tube in the first place?

Mike Eorgoff




 

Project wheel castings:

[Harry Wade]

At 11:05 PM 7/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
>Mine are slightly smaller
>1833  2.15" tread with 16 spokes (driver)
>1909  1.52" tread with 10 spokes
>Mine were purchased by someone with a great deal of experience with the
>Project.
>John Kowalchuk

John,
 The dimensions work OK but those casting numbers don't match up with
their current catalogue.  The #G1909 is a 16 spoke driver, finishing to
50-53mm (1.968"-2.080").  The #G1841 is a 12 spoke tender, finishing to
37-40mm (1.456"-1.575").

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: Another curious response

[John Simon]

H!  That tears it!
To speak of such noble animals as cats in this fashion will bring down upon
yourselves the Wrath of the Gods of Un-Boilable Water.  Beware you have been
warned.




  73, John de VK2XGJ
  General Manager
Elk River & Cheat Mountain  Railroad

.


- Original Message - 
From: "mdenning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Another curious response


> All cats are first rate if you cook 'em just right,
> tastes just like chicken!
>
> MJ
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Harry Wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Another curious response
>
>
> > At 09:36 AM 7/23/03 -0700, you wrote:
> > >He certainly is as you so aptly describe- a fine fellow and  a superb
> > >modeler. A charming wife too!
> >
> >. . . . and three first rate cats.
> > hw
> >
>
 

Re: Reply from Sulpher Springs about wheel castings:

[Harry Wade]

At 08:44 PM 7/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Would someone with the Project book be so kind as to take a look to see if
>they have a suitable wheel casting?
>Kindest Regards,
>PeteH

Pete,
The correct wheels (from Walsall) will be:

D&C (drivers)   6ea #G1909
Tender wheels   6ea #G1841

The tender axleguard casting will be  #G1500

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: Reply from Sulpher Springs about wheel castings:

[John Kowalchuk]

At 08:44 PM 7/24/03 -0500, PeteH wrote:
>Would someone with the Project book be so kind as to take a look to see if
>they have a suitable wheel casting?

I have the wheel casting for the Project seasoning on a shelf in a corner
of my shop.  I got mine from Walsall through a friend who travelled to
England.

The closest castings listed to the ones I have are
HLP-W22  2.4" tread with 18 spokes (driver)
HLP-W41  1.65" tread with 12 spokes

It appears to me that these may be manufactured by Walsall as they have WMI
1822 and WMI 1941cast into their sides.

Mine are slightly smaller
1833  2.15" tread with 16 spokes (driver)
1909  1.52" tread with 10 spokes

Mine were purchased by someone with a great deal of experience with the
Project.  I don't know if a few thou is going to make much difference.
Mine is still incomplete.

John Kowalchuk  maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes
Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1

Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. 

RE: Radiant Burner Design

[Chad R Schend]

Gary I was wondering if you looked at what I did to my C-16 and Shay?
I used a smaller diameter tube than the stock one and cut the slots at a 45
degree
angle. I made the top mesh 1 1/2 inches longer than the tube.
Mine works great for me except I have to turn the gas down so low that I
can't
hear it anymore.
Chad

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:25 PM
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Subject: Radiant Burner Design


Experimenting with burners I discovered that even an open slot (cut off the
top of a tube) yeilds a flame that is stacked up at the end of the burner.
I thought the pressured gas simply kept the flame at the end of the burner.
What would the flame look like if the burner was longer?
Well, the flame still goes out about fvie inches.

I wonder if some SS screen is cut so it sits blocking the burner tube, if
that screen would serve to slow down the gas/air mix closer to the orifice
and encourage the flame to burn closer to the jet nozzle?

Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor

- Original Message -
From: Mike Eorgoff
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:26 PM
Subject: Radiant Burner Design


My noggin is working tonight. :-)

Les told me that the reason that the radiant burner design by Kevin O'Connor
and like I read, uses slots that increase in depth from the FAR end of the
tube to the end near the jet.  This is to even out the flame burning along
the whole length of the burner.  Why?  I remember about the far end burns
more than the near end if the slots are cut evenly.  Is this an effect like
that is used in steam injectors where the high velocity stream from the gas
orifice is used to drag in and along another material?  Do the initial slots
allow air to be dragged in increasing the volume of material in the burner
tube, which then piles up at the end?  I know that there are air holes
before the stream passes the back end and gets into the burner tube.  But
what is causing the flame to be greater at the end?  Why does the gas/air
mix get down to the end of the tube in greater quantity requiring the
inverse slot depth?  I can contemplate that the smaller end slots in effect
re-meter the mix to be burnt, but why is there more mix at the end?

The other thing is the screen mesh at the burner level, not the radiant
mesh.  I was looking up SS 60 Mesh cloth, and stumbled on the fact that
Market Grade Cloth of Plain Weave has an open area of 30.25% and aperture
size of 0.0075" sq.  There was another type described as Bolting Grade Cloth
of Plain Weave with an open area of 57.8% and aperture size of 0.0126 sq.
H.  Looks like we have another restriction in the flow path.  It would
seem that all those slots are being restricted to 30.25% of their cut
opening size.Does this mean that we are putting 70% too much mix down
the tube in the first place?

Mike Eorgoff



 

Reply from Sulpher Springs about wheel castings:

[PeteH]

<<>>>

Would someone with the Project book be so kind as to take a look to see if
they have a suitable wheel casting?

Kindest Regards,
PeteH
 

Re: Radiant Burner Design

[Rich]

To provide some more burner design information out here for comment, consider the 
following:  The burner 
configuration being described is cylindrical in cross section and the burner slot / 
orifice ares is sized to provide even 
flame height along the long axis of the burner tube.  As has been observed the flame 
will be higher at the end farthest 
from the gas jet if the area is the same along the entire length.  Now if the burner 
cross sectional area decreases along 
the long axis of the burner as as it progresses from the jet to the far end and the 
slot / orifice area is equal along the 
entire length of the burner the flame height will be even end to end.  Take a look at 
the burners in most modern gas 
furnaces, it is conical in longitudinal shape.

Interesting.  The proof is left to the student.

Rich


On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:25:13 -0700, Gary wrote:

->Experimenting with burners I discovered that even an open slot (cut off the
->top of a tube) yeilds a flame that is stacked up at the end of the burner.
->I thought the pressured gas simply kept the flame at the end of the burner.
->What would the flame look like if the burner was longer?
->Well, the flame still goes out about fvie inches.
->
->I wonder if some SS screen is cut so it sits blocking the burner tube, if
->that screen would serve to slow down the gas/air mix closer to the orifice
->and encourage the flame to burn closer to the jet nozzle?
->
->Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
->http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
->http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor
->
->- Original Message -
->From: Mike Eorgoff
->To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
->Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:26 PM
->Subject: Radiant Burner Design
->
->
->My noggin is working tonight. :-)
->
->Les told me that the reason that the radiant burner design by Kevin O'Connor
->and like I read, uses slots that increase in depth from the FAR end of the
->tube to the end near the jet.  This is to even out the flame burning along
->the whole length of the burner.  Why?  I remember about the far end burns
->more than the near end if the slots are cut evenly.  Is this an effect like
->that is used in steam injectors where the high velocity stream from the gas
->orifice is used to drag in and along another material?  Do the initial slots
->allow air to be dragged in increasing the volume of material in the burner
->tube, which then piles up at the end?  I know that there are air holes
->before the stream passes the back end and gets into the burner tube.  But
->what is causing the flame to be greater at the end?  Why does the gas/air
->mix get down to the end of the tube in greater quantity requiring the
->inverse slot depth?  I can contemplate that the smaller end slots in effect
->re-meter the mix to be burnt, but why is there more mix at the end?
->
->The other thing is the screen mesh at the burner level, not the radiant
->mesh.  I was looking up SS 60 Mesh cloth, and stumbled on the fact that
->Market Grade Cloth of Plain Weave has an open area of 30.25% and aperture
->size of 0.0075" sq.  There was another type described as Bolting Grade Cloth
->of Plain Weave with an open area of 57.8% and aperture size of 0.0126 sq.
->H.  Looks like we have another restriction in the flow path.  It would
->seem that all those slots are being restricted to 30.25% of their cut
->opening size.Does this mean that we are putting 70% too much mix down
->the tube in the first place?
->
->Mike Eorgoff
->
->
-> 



 

Radiant Burner Design

[Gary]

Experimenting with burners I discovered that even an open slot (cut off the
top of a tube) yeilds a flame that is stacked up at the end of the burner.
I thought the pressured gas simply kept the flame at the end of the burner.
What would the flame look like if the burner was longer?
Well, the flame still goes out about fvie inches.

I wonder if some SS screen is cut so it sits blocking the burner tube, if
that screen would serve to slow down the gas/air mix closer to the orifice
and encourage the flame to burn closer to the jet nozzle?

Gary - Running trains over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon
http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy
http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor

- Original Message -
From: Mike Eorgoff
To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:26 PM
Subject: Radiant Burner Design


My noggin is working tonight. :-)

Les told me that the reason that the radiant burner design by Kevin O'Connor
and like I read, uses slots that increase in depth from the FAR end of the
tube to the end near the jet.  This is to even out the flame burning along
the whole length of the burner.  Why?  I remember about the far end burns
more than the near end if the slots are cut evenly.  Is this an effect like
that is used in steam injectors where the high velocity stream from the gas
orifice is used to drag in and along another material?  Do the initial slots
allow air to be dragged in increasing the volume of material in the burner
tube, which then piles up at the end?  I know that there are air holes
before the stream passes the back end and gets into the burner tube.  But
what is causing the flame to be greater at the end?  Why does the gas/air
mix get down to the end of the tube in greater quantity requiring the
inverse slot depth?  I can contemplate that the smaller end slots in effect
re-meter the mix to be burnt, but why is there more mix at the end?

The other thing is the screen mesh at the burner level, not the radiant
mesh.  I was looking up SS 60 Mesh cloth, and stumbled on the fact that
Market Grade Cloth of Plain Weave has an open area of 30.25% and aperture
size of 0.0075" sq.  There was another type described as Bolting Grade Cloth
of Plain Weave with an open area of 57.8% and aperture size of 0.0126 sq.
H.  Looks like we have another restriction in the flow path.  It would
seem that all those slots are being restricted to 30.25% of their cut
opening size.Does this mean that we are putting 70% too much mix down
the tube in the first place?

Mike Eorgoff


 

Re: Great steamup!

[Geoff Spenceley]

Yeah,  but yours was so sweet  XX !! And--she is well trained too. Good
job, Bob!! (Apologies to the Mrs!)

Geoff.

In a message dated 7/24/03 9:30:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< "Train" 'em right! That's my philosophy. >>
>Is that what I am doing, Geoff???
>It gets pretty tough sometimes taking them along
>Bob


 

Re: Great steamup!

[Cgnr]

In a message dated 7/24/03 9:30:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< "Train" 'em right! That's my philosophy. >>
Is that what I am doing, Geoff???
It gets pretty tough sometimes taking them along
Bob 

craftsmen

[Royce Woodbury]

Harry Wade wrote:

drilling and filing the curved slot in the link (for instance) can be as quick and just as accurate as setting it all up for milling.

Regards,
Harry

Here, here. (or is it hear, hear ?) A true craftsman.  Much more 
satisfying to do something by hand as well and as fast as by machine.

royce in SB

Re: Project\Dee castings for sale anyone?

[Harry Wade]

 To follow up on my last post, I wanted to add that I don't sugest that
loco designers/drafters are particularly special or that that's all there
is to this.  People make contributions to the hobby in many ways and in the
way they are able.  Some of us design and or draw loco projects, some of us
put on conventions and steamups, some of us experiment and share the
information, some of us develop new products, some of us become specialists
and a source for information, some of us write or give seminars, and some
of us play a horn and make Daquiris, but most of us contribute in some way.
 The key word is of course contribute.

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: Project\Dee castings for sale anyone?

[Harry Wade]

At 09:17 AM 7/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I ran across your web page and noticed you are using castings for the tender
>axle boxes, is there instructions to build these pieces as well?

Pete,
Axleguard castings are available from a couple of sources in the UK
also, Walsall being one of them.  Walsall doesn't have email but does take
plastic.  I can provide you with Tel/Fax numbers, stock numbers, prices, etc.

>I quick search of the web did not come up with a website for Highnoon
>Locomotive Works, is there one?

 No.  Highnoon was in fact Mel Ridley of Teignmouth, Devon, UK,
designer of the VPC, and Mel is no longer trading.

>Is there a source for the gear-sets (Sulpher Springs perhaps? hopefully
not the ones for $40 a set!) as I don't think I could make these myself.

 The gears for the original VPC were lost wax cast and were installed
and run unmachined, wearing in as they went.  Whether suitable cut gears
are available I don't know.  Somewhere, probably, but finding them, and for
a tolerable price, will be the problem.

>Would you happen to have the issue #'s of  the SiTG it appeared in?

Best I recall it was published in issues #35 through #45 or thereabouts.

To those who have asked about VPC prints, a while back I began the
process of moving the magazine's 8x10 module-based drawings to
blue-printable 24x36 sheets.  Other (paying) comittments came up (who'd a
thunk it?) and the transposition was never completed.  However I have a
small window of opportunity where I can finish that job, and it appears
there might be a small demand, so I'll get back on this.  It may be a
while, a week or so, but I'll get back in touch and let you know.
 As an aside, no matter what the price of prints, it would simply be a
token and wouldn't begin to compensate for the thousands (yes) of hours
spent by those involved in designing, prototyping, preparing patterns,
writing, and drawing for the project, but then most people who do this sort
of thing don't do it for the money.  Honestly, knowing the work that goes
into one before the first bit of metal is cut, I'm amazed that we (the
world) have as many designs available in print as we do.

Regards,
Harry
 

Re: Great steamup!

[Geoff Spenceley]

Clark wrote:  >>>-Well at least one of the Samurai Seven could be better
described as the Sumo.<<<


Very true!--And this  team did a fantastic job for our steamup--including
the ladies--Mrs Dixon eg.--and the Sumo Lord, now to be named Lord Sumo
--or should that be Sir Lord Sumo--this is getting confusing!!-

I had so much fun!!

Geoff.


>One.  :)
>
>Clark (Sumo) Lord  (What have I done now?)
>
>Dave Cole wrote:
>>
>> >Although this has been mentioned on other forums, I wanted to be
>> >sure that the Founding Fathers of Steam Events LLC know that last
>> >weekend's National Summer Steamup 2003 at Sacrameto, CA was a great
>> >and wonderfully produced event.
>> >
>> >Five tracks, mamy locos running simultaneously, great venue,
>> >reasonable hotel rates, super door prizes, friendly vendors, unique
>> >seminars and nice conveniences (carts from parking lot to steamup
>> >room, plus others) were outstanding!
>> >
>> >Thanks, guys!!!
>>
>> on behalf of the samurai seven, you're welcome.
>>
>> \dmc
>>
>> --
>> ^^^
>> Dave Cole
>> Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
>>Pacifica, Calif. USA  
>> List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
>>
>>
>> ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 15-18, 2004
>> For more information, visit the web site at 
>>
>> ^^^
>


 

Re: Project/Dee castings?

[Harry Wade]

At 08:55 AM 7/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
>My project outline, which hasn't been updated in quite a while, is at:
>http://www.440american.org/
>But any suggestions and ideas are welcome!
>Steve Boylan


Steve,
 I like the cylinder passage idea, that has some potential.  Maybe the
tubular outside layer (the valve face) is shown as tubular for schematic
clarity but that IMHO would want to be the cylinder block, in bronze.  My
choice for the inner two layers, particularly the liner, would be SS or
bronze, soldered together, with the cylinder bore honed to within an inch
of its life.


Regards,
Harry
 

Re: Great steamup!

[Geoff Spenceley]

 Now if I had a marriage or anniversary my future or current wife would
have to have waited until AFTER that Great Steamup.

"Train" 'em right! That's my philosophy.

Geoff.   P.S Fortunately my wife is out at the moment!! -or I might be!!

So, rub it in.  I missed a great event.  But then I had a great
>>anniversary weekend, much to my wife's delight.
>
>ack! you are now the *third* couple we know who got married on that
>weekend. what is it about steamers and getting married in july? ;-)
>...
>
>>So, who won the raffle ?
>
>there wasn't a raffle ... but pete thorp of san luis obispo won the
>shay, if that's what you mean.
>
>\dmc
>
>--
>^^^
>Dave Cole
>Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
>   Pacifica, Calif. USA  
>List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
>   
>
>ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 15-18, 2004
>For more information, visit the web site at 
>
>^^^


 

Re: Great steamup!

[Clark Lord]

Well at least one of the Samurai Seven could be better described as the Sumo
One.  :)

Clark (Sumo) Lord  (What have I done now?)

Dave Cole wrote:
> 
> >Although this has been mentioned on other forums, I wanted to be
> >sure that the Founding Fathers of Steam Events LLC know that last
> >weekend's National Summer Steamup 2003 at Sacrameto, CA was a great
> >and wonderfully produced event.
> >
> >Five tracks, mamy locos running simultaneously, great venue,
> >reasonable hotel rates, super door prizes, friendly vendors, unique
> >seminars and nice conveniences (carts from parking lot to steamup
> >room, plus others) were outstanding!
> >
> >Thanks, guys!!!
> 
> on behalf of the samurai seven, you're welcome.
> 
> \dmc
> 
> --
> ^^^
> Dave Cole
> Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
>Pacifica, Calif. USA  
> List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
>
> 
> ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 15-18, 2004
> For more information, visit the web site at 
> 
> ^^^
 

Re: Great steamup!

[Dave Cole]

Although this has been mentioned on other forums, I wanted to be 
sure that the Founding Fathers of Steam Events LLC know that last 
weekend's National Summer Steamup 2003 at Sacrameto, CA was a great 
and wonderfully produced event.

Five tracks, mamy locos running simultaneously, great venue, 
reasonable hotel rates, super door prizes, friendly vendors, unique 
seminars and nice conveniences (carts from parking lot to steamup 
room, plus others) were outstanding!

Thanks, guys!!!
on behalf of the samurai seven, you're welcome.

\dmc

--
^^^
Dave Cole
Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
  Pacifica, Calif. USA  
List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
  
ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 15-18, 2004
For more information, visit the web site at 
^^^ 

Re: Great steamup!

[Dave Cole]

So, rub it in.  I missed a great event.  But then I had a great 
anniversary weekend, much to my wife's delight.
ack! you are now the *third* couple we know who got married on that 
weekend. what is it about steamers and getting married in july? ;-) 
...

So, who won the raffle ?
there wasn't a raffle ... but pete thorp of san luis obispo won the 
shay, if that's what you mean.

\dmc

--
^^^
Dave Cole
Gen'l Sup't:  Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co.
  Pacifica, Calif. USA  
List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers
  
ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 15-18, 2004
For more information, visit the web site at 
^^^ 

Re: American projects

[Harry Wade]

At 10:49 AM 7/24/03 -0600, you wrote:
>Running gear is designed for slip eccentric and optional Stephenson valve
gear (may be very difficult to machine).
>Ken Vogel

  I know this may sound a bit far-fetched, but aside from the
eccentrics and sheaves, which do need to be turned and bored, if you
weren't concerned with the gear appearing to be milled from bar stock the
rest of the gear linkages could easily be turned out by drilling and
filing.  One of the problems to be overcome when working small is devising
a way to hold parts so that the forces of machining don't destroy them.
I've discovered that once you factor in setup time and the spectre of
occasional self-destruction, no matter how carefully you work, drilling and
filing the curved slot in the link (for instance) can be as quick and just
as accurate as setting it all up for milling.

Regards,
Harry
 

American projects

[xxyz]

> I have also seen mention of two other locos of interest: Vest Pocket Shay
> and the American Project.  The American is not yet out? While the Vest
> Pocket is out and gone?  Can anyone shed some light?  (no I am not dim, or
> eer i?)

Pete:

I am also working on an american project and like Steve, my project is on hold for the 
summer. Baby on the way and finding a new job put the dampers on the train projects. 

Like the project and Dee the American project will need a cast wheel set. At this 
point I am looking at using a built up cylinder block, but I need to get my shop more 
operational (one of the summer hold ups) to verify this concept. Otherwise, I will 
look into having a fully cored cylinder casting made. I don't foresee needing any 
other castings at this point.

The status of the American project at this point is:

Running gear is designed for slip eccentric and optional Stephenson valve gear (may be 
very difficult to machine).

Boiler is designed to a safety margin of +8x and most boiler fittings are selected. 
Boiler is a true wagon top design and I need to try building the prototype to decide 
if this is too difficult. Will have option of straight boiler eitherway.

Platework, tender, accessories and decoritive items don't exist yet.

There is still a lot of work to do before prototyping can begin. I would like to have 
somthing in print by the fall of next year. We'll see

Ken Vogel

 

Project\Dee castings for sale anyone?

[PeteH]

Ah yes, it seems every path I wander down is strewn with obstacles!
Soo, does anyone have any wheel castings/frame sets/books for the Project or
Dee that they would be willing to sell me?

>   Dee and Project:  Castings are available from several sources in the
> UK for both engines although "sets" in Ga1 are mainly just wheel castings
> and a cylinder lump, and aside from the wheel castings all parts of both
> engines can easily be made from solid stock.

I ran across your web page and noticed you are using castings for the tender
axle boxes, is there instructions to build these pieces as well?

>Last year I coordinated a group purchase of Dee & Project wheel
> castings from Walsall in the UK

Great!  Can you send me all the Email address so I can contact them and try
to wrangle some parts from them?  Just Kidding :-)

> Construction words and
> music manuals for both engines are available from Jim Curry, U.S.
> coordinator for G1MRA.

He still has a few sets of frames left for purchase.

> You might try Sulphur Springs for castings first,
> as I know at one time they had intended to begin stocking these.

I have sent an Email, no response as of yet.

>   Vest Pocket Climax: (note CLIMAX not Shay)

Sorry, I did not intend to reduce your Climax to a Shay :-O

I quick search of the web did not come up with a website for Highnoon
Locomotive Works, is there one?   Is there a source for the gear-sets
(Sulpher Springs perhaps? hopefully not the ones for $40 a set!) as I don't
think I could make these myself.

Would you happen to have the issue #'s of  the SiTG it appeared in? I think
most if not all back-issues of are available from either the publisher or
Sulpher Springs,  I will try these sources before I start bugging you for
drawings :-)

I Thank you once again Harry!

Kindest Regards,
PeteH

 

Re: Great steamup!

[Royce Woodbury]

So, rub it in.  I missed a great event.  But then I had a great 
anniversary weekend, much to my wife's delight.

So, who won the raffle ?

royce in SB

Jeffrey Williams wrote:

Although this has been mentioned on other forums, I wanted to be sure 
that the Founding Fathers of Steam Events LLC know that last weekend's 
National Summer Steamup 2003 at Sacrameto, CA was a great and 
wonderfully produced event.

Five tracks, mamy locos running simultaneously, great venue, 
reasonable hotel rates, super door prizes, friendly vendors, unique 
seminars and nice conveniences (carts from parking lot to steamup 
room, plus others) were outstanding!

Thanks, guys!!!

Re: Project/Dee castings?

[steve boylan]

Pete,

You also asked:

> I have also seen mention of two other locos of interest: Vest Pocket Shay
> and the American Project.  The American is not yet out? While the Vest
> Pocket is out and gone?  Can anyone shed some light?  (no I am not dim, or
> eer i?)

There are a couple of us working on a model of a 4-4-0 American for 45mm
gauge, with the vague idea of sharing plans.  My plans have been on hold
this summer while I pack up everything to move.  (We've been in the same
house for 17 years, accumulating all the while - sorting and packing has
been quite a job!)  But the new house has lots of shop space (yummy!), so
I can start testing my plans and ideas this fall.

My project outline, which hasn't been updated in quite a while, is at:

http://www.440american.org/

But any suggestions and ideas are welcome!

- - Steve Boylan

 

Re: Project/Dee castings?

[William Belton]

I would be interested in a set of Drawings if possible, pls advise cost to
send to Australia. William.
Maybe others would be interested here also.

- Original Message -
From: "Harry Wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: Project/Dee castings?


> At 08:42 AM 7/23/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >I am researching building the Project and Dee loco's and have some
> questions (as Harry can atest I am full of these!)
> >Is there a castings set available for either of them?  If so from where?
> >I have also seen mention of . . . .  other locos of interest: Vest Pocket
> Shay
> >While the Vest Pocket is out and gone?  Can anyone shed some light?
> >PeteH
>
> ( . . .  ahem . . . .)  Could someone else please break the news to him?
> Oh alright then I'll do it.
>
> Pete,
>   Dee and Project:  Castings are available from several sources in the
> UK for both engines although "sets" in Ga1 are mainly just wheel castings
> and a cylinder lump, and aside from the wheel castings all parts of both
> engines can easily be made from solid stock.
>Last year I coordinated a group purchase of Dee & Project wheel
> castings from Walsall in the UK which totaled around forty sets if I
recall
> correctly.  A few of those sets have subsequently come up for resale and
no
> doubt there are a couple of others who might now be enticed to part with
> theirs.  I don't have an extra set laying around.  Construction words and
> music manuals for both engines are available from Jim Curry, U.S.
> coordinator for G1MRA.  You might try Sulphur Springs for castings first,
> as I know at one time they had intended to begin stocking these.
>   Vest Pocket Climax: (note CLIMAX not Shay)   The VPC project was a
> collaboration between the designer, Mel Ridley (UK), and myself, and Mel
> also produced the patterns and castings.  Castings are no longer available
> except on special order from Highnoon Locomotive Works (Mel Ridley) and
> then I think a one-off run of castings would be cost prohibitive.  My part
> in the project was to produce the drawings, which along with the
> construction notes were published in Steam in the Garden Magazine.  I
don't
> know if these issues or reprints are available but if not I can provide
> copies of the drawings.  Although Mel made a casting for virtually
> everything on the locomotive, and the drawings assumed use of all the
> castings, I purposely showed enough detail and dimensions to allow someone
> with the skills and tools to build the locomotive from sheet and bar
stock.
>  Mel and I have discussed transferring the patterns and molds to me and
> resurrecting the design on a limited basis here in the U.S. but nothing
has
> happened on that yet.
>We may joke about asking questions but please feel free to do so at
> any time and for any reason.
>
> Regards,
> Harry Wade (GWRdriver)
> Nashville TN
>