RE: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
I don't think I got the previous messages leading up to this response. The reason I used the camping stove is that butane becomes too cold to maintain pressure in the winter and I was looking for a solution for it and the fact that when we fill our butane tanks there seems to be allot of butane that escapes. I am working on a different solution but my job is taking all my free time. I'm very interested in what Cheddar is doing with their engines though and as soon as I can I will order some stuff from them. I'm happy to say that the camping stove idea does work well and my run times with the Regner pump is around 3 hours. The problem I'm having right now is the controls in my C-16 and I hope to have that resolved soon. For those of you who are interested, we had our third steamup this last Saturday and it was great. I don't know how many times we ran our engines but I was sure tired when it was done. I'm hoping to get a few of you that live in the Southwest to come over if you have the time. Phoenix is nice in the winter so if you get sick of the cold it might be a nice break for you. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Shyvers Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group Mike, Chad might find that a small camping stove will serve his purpose and be well within his budget. Stores that sell camping, backpacking, and mountain climbing supplies would be the places to look for small, portable, and simple burners that use butane or butane/propane mix. Stateside, so-called military surplus or army-navy stores often carry a selection of small gas-fired portable stoves as well. Some of them are nothing more than a gas ring on a tripod and a connecting hose to a gas bottle. A few years ago I found a $25 butane portable stove with a ceramic burner at Walmart. Steve
Aster Schools
Sorry for multiple posting on this. About 18 years ago I bought a very second hand Aster Schools. This used the original Smithies type water tube boiler, and had well and truly cooked the paint on the outer shell, as they do, particularly around the front of the firebox area. Rather than re-paint and then have it cook the new paint the same way, I built a new boiler for it , a JvR type C, to fit into the cosmetic outer shell, and then repainted the shell. This worked well, (and still does!). It is built pretty much according to a design published at the time in the Gauge 1 Association Journal. I then repainted the shell, using acryllic automotive paint, mixed to match the existing paint (cab, tender etc.). This was done by a local car bodywork shop. The match is not perfect, but acceptable, and has remained since the 1980s. I now need to re-do the boiler shell paint job, - there are a couple of rust spots at the safety valve openings and my hurried attempt at lining way back has bugged me ever since. Can anyone suggest a matching commercial paint that will match Asters original Malachite Green paint please?Although the colour Aster used looks good, it is not actually a very good match to the prototypes idea of the colour, so I'm reluctant to get an expensive and hard to get prototype Railway Colour and find it doesn't match Asters version.Repainting the lot - tender cab etc. is not an option because of the lining and lettering. The other alternative I can see is to go round the automotive painter route again, and that is the fall back position. Jim Gregg.
Re: Aster Schools
At 05:27 PM 10/9/03 +0800, you wrote: Can anyone suggest a matching commercial paint that will match Asters original Malachite Green paint please? Jim Gregg Jim, Krylon Paints once had standard aerosol colors which were matches for both the SR green and GER blue (as applied to the Aster GER) but a quick check of their current color chart on-line doesn't show those colors listed any longer. My recollection is they were Apple Green and International Blue. Regards, Harry
Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
Chad - Ref your problems with a C-16. I assume The Accucraft model. First I havent got all of the story and secondly, I dont know if I can be of a lot of help, most of you people writing on these pages seem to have more knowledge of G1 engines than I do, but maybe if I just ramble on who knows:- I also have a C-16 and have had various problems with the fuel system, the tank of which is originally in the tender. I found that when the loco gas tank was warmer than the gas that I was trying to refuel, the gas would not go into the tank. Solution, I let a couple of drops of gas fall on the Ronson valve to cool it. (Make sure no open flame is near) It worked. The tender had to be filled with warm water to get the burner to burn long enough to boil the water in the boiler! Getting the heavy brass sand dome off in order to re-tank the boiler needed asbestos fingers or a long, long, wait. There is an M5 Diam.x 0.5mm thread on the boiler backhead ( should connect to the non existant water pump) which is blind and sealed with an M5 screw. Here I fitted a ball valve (clack-valve UK) and now refill my boiler with a domestic pump bottle. No more hot fingers and have the water guage and pressure guage in sight. My new R. C. receiver is very small and I can fit it between the Johnstone ( is that right)? bar and the front right of the cab. This leaves the area on the left of the cab for a new gas tank ( home made, hard silver soldered)with a Regner filler valve (I have been informed that 50% of Ronson Vales are defect ex works!!) and the new tank has marginally less content than the the original. The loco now behaves and gives the pleasure I would have liked from the the start. I can now refuel and take on water under steam all day if I have so much free time. A steam manifold mounted on the boiler backhead allows things like a steam whistle to be fitted under the frame using micro servos. I have mounted my battery pack on the tender footplate, and can lead a wire to the headlight LED. I still have problems with uneven track (frost heave) causing the small wheel flanges to climb over curves etc and I am considering new wheels with less scale flanges. I prefer a loco that works well, to one that looks good only on perfect track. I would be pleased for any help I can receive on this subject or the vast amount of oil the dead-leg oiler uses, or better said directs to the smokebox. The small Shay runs beautifully on all track and by fitting a rear (longer) sliding drive shaft joint to the front!! will even negosiate RII curves without binding. Thank you. Bert. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aster JNR 8550 / Americanized Mogul
Hello Group, I am looking for a sand dome with sanding lines for the early Aster mogul - either the JNR 8550 or the Americanized version. Perhaps someone here has changed the domes on theirs and would be willing to part with it? Compensation or trade will be generous! This dome is not available from Aster. Thanks! Jon Toumanian
Re: Aster Schools- Southern Green for coaches
Speaking of Aster green, is any one able to tell me a spray paint that might match the Southern Railway coach green of the Maunsell era or the early Bullied era. I am making some hopefully look good at 10 foot rule coaches. I only want a spray paint. I don't need a perfect match for my Schools or any color. No one had the proper paint answers to Jim about a close match, but how about just close and reasonable. (remember, I am using the 10 foot rule) I will pull these with my Aster Schools. BTW, this question is probably just for North American or US residents because I want something that I can go to Home Depot, Lowes, an auto parts store or the local hobby shop. I don't want to order the perfect color from England. Thanks, Dan Fuller Carrollton, Texas
Re: Aster Schools
Jim, I too have an Aster Schools and I have heard about the JvR C boiler that had been published in the G1MRA magazine. However, my magazines don't go back that far. Would you e-mail me off list with a few of the major dimensions. (i.e. size and number of tubes and was the boiler full length with the fire tubes or was it notched at the rear so that the tubes came out into a sort of fire box?) I don't need to rebuild my Schools yet, but I would like to keep the information for later. No need to reinvent the wheel. Thanks, Dan Fuller Carrollton, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Alison and Jim Gregg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:27 AM Subject: Aster Schools Sorry for multiple posting on this. About 18 years ago I bought a very second hand Aster Schools. This used the original Smithies type water tube boiler, and had well and truly cooked the paint on the outer shell, as they do, particularly around the front of the firebox area. Rather than re-paint and then have it cook the new paint the same way, I built a new boiler for it , a JvR type C, to fit into the cosmetic outer shell, and then repainted the shell. This worked well, (and still does!). It is built pretty much according to a
Re: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
Chad, Sorry for the confusion. I was responding to Chad Burns, whose message had been forwarded by Mike Chaney a few days ago. Chad Burns was inquiring about small gas burners. Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think I got the previous messages leading up to this response. The reason I used the camping stove is that butane becomes too cold to maintain pressure in the winter and I was looking for a solution for it and the fact that when we fill our butane tanks there seems to be allot of butane that escapes. I am working on a different solution but my job is taking all my free time. I'm very interested in what Cheddar is doing with their engines though and as soon as I can I will order some stuff from them. I'm happy to say that the camping stove idea does work well and my run times with the Regner pump is around 3 hours. The problem I'm having right now is the controls in my C-16 and I hope to have that resolved soon. For those of you who are interested, we had our third steamup this last Saturday and it was great. I don't know how many times we ran our engines but I was sure tired when it was done. I'm hoping to get a few of you that live in the Southwest to come over if you have the time. Phoenix is nice in the winter so if you get sick of the cold it might be a nice break for you. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Shyvers Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group Mike, Chad might find that a small camping stove will serve his purpose and be well within his budget. Stores that sell camping, backpacking, and mountain climbing supplies would be the places to look for small, portable, and simple burners that use butane or butane/propane mix. Stateside, so-called military surplus or army-navy stores often carry a selection of small gas-fired portable stoves as well. Some of them are nothing more than a gas ring on a tripod and a connecting hose to a gas bottle. A few years ago I found a $25 butane portable stove with a ceramic burner at Walmart. Steve -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/
Re: Dirty look of engineer
Gary, How about calling it a begrimed look instead? Dirty look of engineer seems to imply extreme disapproval. Dirty engineer sounds more like a morals or ethics problem. Okay. I'll sit down and be quiet now. Steve
Re: Aster Schools- Southern Green for coaches
At 09:28 PM 10/9/03 -0500, you wrote: Speaking of Aster green, is any one able to tell me a spray paint that might match the Southern Railway coach green Dan, Most auto paint stores now do custom matched touchup paint in aerosols so if you had a chip, or took the Schools to them, they could scan it for a match. Regards, Harry
Re: Aster Schools- Southern Green for coaches
Dan-- Re Bullied era spray paint: From: Daniel Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Aster Schools- Southern Green for coaches Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:28:50 -0500 Speaking of Aster green, is any one able to tell me a spray paint that might match the Southern Railway coach green of the Maunsell era or the early Bullied era. I am making some hopefully look good at 10 foot rule coaches. I only want a spray paint. I don't need a perfect match for my Schools or any color. No one had the proper paint answers to Jim about a close match, but how about just close and reasonable. (remember, I am using the 10 foot rule) I will pull these with my Aster Schools. BTW, this question is probably just for North American or US residents because I want something that I can go to Home Depot, Lowes, an auto parts store or the local hobby shop. I don't want to order the perfect color from England. Thanks, Dan Fuller Carrollton, Texas _ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
Re: Aster Schools- Southern Green for coaches
Dan- Re the Bullied era spary paint, Just wondering, were you planning to paint some sort of rolling stock, and if so, what kind? Tom L. _ Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today! https://broadband.msn.com
RE: Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
Ya the Shay is the best all around engine you could buy. My engine is an Accucraft C-16 and if you would like to see a movie of the bangham whistle in action then go to my web site www.livesteamer.com and download the movie on the front page. It sounds like you have done allot with the engine and it runs good but you still have a few issues that need to be resolved. First you need to conserve the money you spend on the butane! You can buy cheap can of it at Oriental markets or at Target. The stuff at Target is in a green can and says butane on it in black letters. You can find it in the camping section in the back of the store. Once you get this you need to build an adapter for the can. This is easily done by using the stock butane filler you got with your Shay. You simply buy some R/C aircraft fuel line from the hobby store and a 1/2 inch piece and place it on the brass filler tube. Now you'll be able to slip the tubing on the butane can's outlet. I've used this method all year and it works great. Second you need to get some Gary Raymond wheels for the front pilot of you loco. The link is on my links page at my web site. Third you need to fix the oiler and there is a great article by Dave Hottmann that was published in Steam in the Garden magazine. I have a copy that Dave sent to me if you would like to e-mail me direct [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will respond with a copy. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bert Edmunda Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re[2]: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group Chad - Ref your problems with a C-16. I assume The Accucraft model. First I havent got all of the story and secondly, I dont know if I can be of a lot of help, most of you people writing on these pages seem to have more knowledge of G1 engines than I do, but maybe if I just ramble on who knows:- I also have a C-16 and have had various problems with the fuel system, the tank of which is originally in the tender. I found that when the loco gas tank was warmer than the gas that I was trying to refuel, the gas would not go into the tank. Solution, I let a couple of drops of gas fall on the Ronson valve to cool it. (Make sure no open flame is near) It worked. The tender had to be filled with warm water to get the burner to burn long enough to boil the water in the boiler! Getting the heavy brass sand dome off in order to re-tank the boiler needed asbestos fingers or a long, long, wait. There is an M5 Diam.x 0.5mm thread on the boiler backhead ( should connect to the non existant water pump) which is blind and sealed with an M5 screw. Here I fitted a ball valve (clack-valve UK) and now refill my boiler with a domestic pump bottle. No more hot fingers and have the water guage and pressure guage in sight. My new R. C. receiver is very small and I can fit it between the Johnstone ( is that right)? bar and the front right of the cab. This leaves the area on the left of the cab for a new gas tank ( home made, hard silver soldered)with a Regner filler valve (I have been informed that 50% of Ronson Vales are defect ex works!!) and the new tank has marginally less content than the the original. The loco now behaves and gives the pleasure I would have liked from the the start. I can now refuel and take on water under steam all day if I have so much free time. A steam manifold mounted on the boiler backhead allows things like a steam whistle to be fitted under the frame using micro servos. I have mounted my battery pack on the tender footplate, and can lead a wire to the headlight LED. I still have problems with uneven track (frost heave) causing the small wheel flanges to climb over curves etc and I am considering new wheels with less scale flanges. I prefer a loco that works well, to one that looks good only on perfect track. I would be pleased for any help I can receive on this subject or the vast amount of oil the dead-leg oiler uses, or better said directs to the smokebox. The small Shay runs beautifully on all track and by fitting a rear (longer) sliding drive shaft joint to the front!! will even negosiate RII curves without binding. Thank you. Bert. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group
Oh. There isn't too many people named Chad so I thought it was me. Thanks Chad Schend -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Shyvers Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group Chad, Sorry for the confusion. I was responding to Chad Burns, whose message had been forwarded by Mike Chaney a few days ago. Chad Burns was inquiring about small gas burners. Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think I got the previous messages leading up to this response. The reason I used the camping stove is that butane becomes too cold to maintain pressure in the winter and I was looking for a solution for it and the fact that when we fill our butane tanks there seems to be allot of butane that escapes. I am working on a different solution but my job is taking all my free time. I'm very interested in what Cheddar is doing with their engines though and as soon as I can I will order some stuff from them. I'm happy to say that the camping stove idea does work well and my run times with the Regner pump is around 3 hours. The problem I'm having right now is the controls in my C-16 and I hope to have that resolved soon. For those of you who are interested, we had our third steamup this last Saturday and it was great. I don't know how many times we ran our engines but I was sure tired when it was done. I'm hoping to get a few of you that live in the Southwest to come over if you have the time. Phoenix is nice in the winter so if you get sick of the cold it might be a nice break for you. Chad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Shyvers Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam Subject: Re: Fw: Question for the Live Steam Group Mike, Chad might find that a small camping stove will serve his purpose and be well within his budget. Stores that sell camping, backpacking, and mountain climbing supplies would be the places to look for small, portable, and simple burners that use butane or butane/propane mix. Stateside, so-called military surplus or army-navy stores often carry a selection of small gas-fired portable stoves as well. Some of them are nothing more than a gas ring on a tripod and a connecting hose to a gas bottle. A few years ago I found a $25 butane portable stove with a ceramic burner at Walmart. Steve -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/
