Thanks Tony,
I am getting informed-- I shall keep the info with Bert's.
Also, interestingly you wrote : Incidentally, several times I was
allowed to set the signals for the Flying Scotsman when it was used to pull
the Master Cutler express from Sheffield to Marylebone,
And to think, it is still around!!
Thanks again,
Geoff.
Hi Geoff,
Agree that Dave's photo's taken on his trip are great momento's, and
raise questions' at the same time.
Ref. Coaches:- The English Pullman coaches (carrying princess and girls
names) and as shown under the guise of the Simplon-Orient Express,
actually ran on LNER, (London/Edinburgh), the GWR (London, Bristol and
Penzance (Torbay Express) and Southern Railway (London, Brighton and
London, Devon/Corwall as the Atlantic Coast Express etc. So you are well
covered by having Pullmans behind both your KG5 and Flying Scotsman.
Southern Railway actually ran Pullmans from London to Dover as the
Golden Arrow, which in turn became the both the Fleche' D'Or Pullman's
when passengers travelled from Calaise to Paris.
The true Orient Express or Simplon Orient Express never ran in the
UK, but was purely a French-Venice-Istanbul Express.
However all the Pullmans both UK version and French versions
originated from the same design source i.e. actually design by Pullman
the USA designer and licensed to Wagon-Lits in France and Pullman
coachworks in the UK. Only the interiors and external detailing reflecting
UK or French decor as required.
I understand that a company in both the UK and France is now buying up
and restoring as many unused pullmans as possible and re-creating these
special excursion trains.(Which is a good thing, but pushing the true
historical facts a little).
The latest phase or fad of calling several trains The Orient Express
is gross poetic licence, as Australia, South Africa and the USA are now all
running Orient Express tourist trap excursions.
Flying Scotsman Apple Green colour is correct for the LNER pre-war era,
and did not change to GWR type dark green until the British Railway
take-over.
Smoke Deflectors- the mini smoke deflectors were used as experimental
tests on very selective individual A1/A2 and A3 class engines, as was the
Kylchap blast pipes and double chimney's. Also the German type half size
smoke deflectors. I have photos of A3 60105 Victor Wilde carrying these
deflectors. I know of at least one A3 carrying the mini deflectors, but it
was not Flying Scotsman. I suggest the current owners of this engine
are taking poetic license to extremes again.
No A3s ever carried the full size Blinkers/deflectors, as per A1/A2
class engines, (or the LMS Duchess class.
Incidentally, several times I was allowed to set the signals for the
Flying Scotsman when it was used to pull the Master Cutler express from
Sheffield to Marylebone, when delivering the morning papers to the local
signal box near Nottingham, many moons ago. (Also put pennies on the line
to be squashed!). At that time it was pulling teak coaches.
Regardless, great photo's and fine records of a great trip.
Happy Times,
Tony D.
I keep going back to those wonderful photos of the A3--Are you sure it was
not the Fireman looking weary? He should have been!! Secondly, the color
of those coaches look like ex GWR??--if so, I can pull my GWR behind the A3
and be modern day protypical which should make the things almost
acceptable to rivet counters?
We didn't have rivet counters in Sacramento, thank goodness--in addition to
Rob's delightful goods wagons, my KGV pulled LNER teaks and S.R coaches--no
one even blinked!!
I also need to be informed by someone about those smoke deflectors--like
the history of them on the A3--Sir Art, where are you??
Dave, Thanks again, and again!
Geoff.
i was in london last week on business and shirleen came along to
commune with the museums. we had but one free day and decided to
spend it on a steam train. there was a little surprise when we got
off to take a look at the engine.
you can see the pictures at
http://www.shirleen.com/031010-london/
\dmc
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