Thanks Tony, I am getting informed-- I shall keep the info with Bert's.
Also, interestingly you wrote : "Incidentally, several times I was allowed to set the signals for the Flying Scotsman when it was used to pull the "Master Cutler" express from Sheffield to Marylebone," And to think, it is still around!! Thanks again, Geoff. Hi Geoff, > Agree that Dave's photo's taken on his trip are great momento's, and >raise "questions'" at the same time. > Ref. Coaches:- The English Pullman coaches (carrying princess and girls >names) and as shown under the guise of the "Simplon-Orient Express", >actually ran on LNER, (London/Edinburgh), the GWR (London, Bristol and >Penzance (Torbay Express) and Southern Railway (London, Brighton and >London, Devon/Corwall as the Atlantic Coast Express etc. So you are well >covered by having Pullmans behind both your KG5 and Flying Scotsman. > Southern Railway actually ran Pullmans from London to Dover as the >"Golden Arrow", which in turn became the both the Fleche' D'Or Pullman's >when passengers travelled from Calaise to Paris. > The true "Orient Express" or Simplon Orient Express never ran in the >UK, but was purely a French-Venice-Istanbul Express. > However all the "Pullmans" both UK version and French versions >originated from the same design source i.e. actually design by "Pullman" >the USA designer and licensed to Wagon-Lits in France and Pullman >coachworks in the UK. Only the interiors and external detailing reflecting >UK or French decor as required. > I understand that a company in both the UK and France is now buying up >and restoring as many unused pullmans as possible and re-creating these >special excursion trains.(Which is a good thing, but pushing the true >historical facts a little). > The latest phase or fad of calling several trains "The Orient Express" >is gross poetic licence, as Australia, South Africa and the USA are now all >running "Orient Express" tourist trap excursions. > > Flying Scotsman Apple Green colour is correct for the LNER pre-war era, >and did not change to "GWR" type dark green until the British Railway >take-over. > > Smoke Deflectors- the mini smoke deflectors were used as experimental >tests on very selective individual A1/A2 and A3 class engines, as was the >Kylchap blast pipes and double chimney's. Also the German type half size >smoke deflectors. I have photos of A3 60105 "Victor Wilde" carrying these >deflectors. I know of at least one A3 carrying the mini deflectors, but it >was not Flying Scotsman. I suggest the current owners of this engine >are taking poetic license to extremes again. > No A3s ever carried the full size Blinkers/deflectors, as per A1/A2 >class engines, (or the LMS "Duchess" class. > > Incidentally, several times I was allowed to set the signals for the >Flying Scotsman when it was used to pull the "Master Cutler" express from >Sheffield to Marylebone, when delivering the morning papers to the local >signal box near Nottingham, many moons ago. (Also put pennies on the line >to be squashed!). At that time it was pulling teak coaches. > > Regardless, great photo's and fine records of a great trip. > Happy Times, > Tony D. > >>I keep going back to those wonderful photos of the A3--Are you sure it was >>not the Fireman looking weary? He should have been!! Secondly, the color >>of those coaches look like ex GWR??--if so, I can pull my GWR behind the A3 >>and be "modern day protypical" which should make the things almost >>acceptable to rivet counters? >> >>We didn't have rivet counters in Sacramento, thank goodness--in addition to >>Rob's delightful goods wagons, my KGV pulled LNER teaks and S.R coaches--no >>one even blinked!! >> >> I also need to be informed by someone about those smoke deflectors--like >>the history of them on the A3--Sir Art, where are you?? >> >>Dave, Thanks again, and again! >> >>Geoff. >> >>i was in london last week on business and shirleen came along to >> >commune with the museums. we had but one free day and decided to >> >spend it on a steam train. there was a little surprise when we got >> >off to take a look at the engine. >> > >> >you can see the pictures at >> > >> >http://www.shirleen.com/031010-london/ >> > >> >\dmc >> > >> >-- >> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >Dave Cole >> >Gen'l Sup't: Grand Teton & Everglades Steam Excursion Co. >> > Pacifica, Calif. USA <http://45mm.com/> >><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >List Mom: sslivesteam, the list of small-scale live steamers >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > >> >ATTEND THE NATIONAL SUMMER STEAMUP IN SACRAMENTO, JULY 21-25, 2004 >> >For more information, visit the web site at <http://www.summersteamup.com> >> > >> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> >> >
