Re: Australian Boiler codes
In our case I have to agree. However, I have to disagree on general principle. We are in a somewhat unique position as our toys have been around, and safe, for a good long while now. However, in the case of a recently developed hobby I'd have to say that it should be determined that the events related to such a hobby would be determined safe for all involved _before_ someone gets dead. : ] Of course, this likely has a lot to do with the industry I'm in... If someone so much as sneezes around here we have to fill out medical reports. *rolls eyes* Trot, the detailed, fox... | /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember, | ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon\ "There is a | >\_/< [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative." From: Tag Gorton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Until a hobby is proven to be hazardous to the general public, don't try to > regulate it. Amen to that Tom. Some people in this particular hobby seem to have an unnatural desire for both complication and regulation. It both puts off new people and makes life uncomfortable. I wonder how many people have their electric shower tested every two years. These have quite a high pressure flash boiler and one is standing buck naked in water and connected to 9 kilowatt of electrical power! -- Tag Gorton _ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Australian Boiler codes
On 10/3/04 7:02 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Until a hobby is proven to be hazardous to the general public, don't try to > regulate it. Amen to that Tom. Some people in this particular hobby seem to have an unnatural desire for both complication and regulation. It both puts off new people and makes life uncomfortable. I wonder how many people have their electric shower tested every two years. These have quite a high pressure flash boiler and one is standing buck naked in water and connected to 9 kilowatt of electrical power! -- Tag Gorton Editor Garden Rail Atlantic Publishers http://www.trevor-ridley.co.uk/index.html Editor 16mm Today http://www.16mmngmodellers.org.uk/
Re: Australian Boiler codes
"Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've heard of sssteamers in the US having to boiler test & take out insurance for 'mall' exhibitions." My 2 cents worth. 1. Gauge 1 live steam is considered by most as a part of the model railroading hobby which is percieved as minimal to no risk when operating. Same as craft and sewing shows. Where do you cross the practical line? When you ride the train, you then are operating a miniture railroad. Big difference in terms of risk. 2. Any presumed risk in ssls has not been substantiated by related serious accident history. Until such an accident or series of accidents occur, ssls will likely remain within the model railroading hobby. I also fly model airplanes where insurance coverage is manditory for group functions. On the other hand, this hobby has a long history of serious accidents and fatalities (1 fatality a couple months back at my club in Houston when a man was hit by a model airplane). Anybody even know of a serious injury "operating" ssls requiring significant medical treatment? Building ssls (operating Dremel tools or powered machinery) is another risk topic all together. 3. Operating ssls at the minature live steam parks (ride on gauges) does make this nice picture a little fuzzy as it does attempt to combine 2 totally different hobbies and associated risks. Either way, obtaining insurance today on anything that does not have a proven risk history is next to impossible thanks to a couple of jets being flown into the WTC. We still have several more years before the insurance industry gets rational. If being underwritten for $1,000,000 is really required in Austrailia for a couple of people to boil some water in a pressure cooker, I wish you luck. Until a hobby is proven to be hazardous to the general public, don't try to regulate it. Regards, Tom Burns
Re: Australian Boiler codes
- Original Message - From: "mart.towers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:24 AM Subject: Re: Australian Boiler codes > Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've heard of sssteamers in the US having > to boiler test & take out insurance for 'mall' exhibitions. HUSH! Mike Eorgoff
Re: Australian Boiler codes
Gordon wrote an informative description of what's going on with boiler codes in Australia, but closed with this bon mot: > I hesitate to point out that this whole lawyer driven ambit claim madness > originated in the USA! You should hesitate, Gordon. After all, this whole lawyer driven madness well predates European settlement of the Americas. Why, Shakespeare himself complained about their depradations. :-) - - Steve (no, the OTHER Steve)
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...I hesitate to point out that this whole lawyer driven ambit claim madness > originated in the USA! True, but you should see Wrong! And for my first exhibit.. Diamondhead. For my second exhibit..Sacramento, etc., etc., etc. Now, if you want to talk about smoking, fast food :>) Jim
Re: Australian Boiler codes
we. the US types, will now have a big time problem! You have undoubtedly left the 'cat out of the bag' and the ambulance chaser's spies will have intercepted your message...oh well, it was a fun hobby while it existed, too bad the bastards ---er, barristers put it to an end. Keep your steam up! Mr. Lunkenheimer's associate
Re: Australian Boiler codes
- Original Message - From: "Gordon Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Multiple recipients of sslivesteam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:32 AM Subject: Australian Boiler codes > I hesitate to point out that this whole lawyer driven ambit claim madness > originated in the USA! True, but you should see what things are like in the UK! There isn't any real excuse for copying US insanities & making them worse. Perhaps due to lawyers being the dominant professional group in Anglosaxon/Celtic legislatures. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've heard of sssteamers in the US having to boiler test & take out insurance for 'mall' exhibitions. Art Walker Guildford England
