Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
You are exempt Larry becuase you have steam engines!- Geoff. geoff.Oh so that's what happened. I guess I had better watch a bit more closely when you come to my house next time. ;-) Larry Geoff Spenceley wrote: Gary, Answer is yes!--or connect to 220V! Incidentally, when I do spark sparkies, it is at club members' railways whose track is powered. I can't steam unless the power is turned off or I cut the leads to the track! I always carry wire cutters as all steamers should. Geoff Thanks Geoff, I never considered 110 AC. Would I have to disable GFI protection to allow maximum enjoymnet of sparks? Steaming Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor By the way Gary. Sparks from the wheels are best obtained by bypassing your sparky's friend controller and connecting to 110V! You get lots of sparks and your ex-friend needs a hammer and chisel to remove the sparky loco from the track. Er-- make sure it aint your track!
Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
Gary, Answer is yes!--or connect to 220V! Incidentally, when I do spark sparkies, it is at club members' railways whose track is powered. I can't steam unless the power is turned off or I cut the leads to the track! I always carry wire cutters as all steamers should. Geoff Thanks Geoff, I never considered 110 AC. Would I have to disable GFI protection to allow maximum enjoymnet of sparks? Steaming Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor By the way Gary. Sparks from the wheels are best obtained by bypassing your sparky's friend controller and connecting to 110V! You get lots of sparks and your ex-friend needs a hammer and chisel to remove the sparky loco from the track. Er-- make sure it aint your track!
Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
Sorry I came to this thread late -- First, I fire my own RH Darjeeling (and all non alcohol engines) using 70/30 mix. Second, after a number of hours of firing I had trouble maintaining a fire -- blew it self out, too yellow, in the smoke box -- just to name a few. I finally isolated the the trouble to slight misalignment of poker. After experimenting I found that as little as 1/16 to 1/32 of an inch made a great difference. BTW, I had two Darjeelings at Sacramento which were troubled by similiar ailments and we got them both fixed by luck without really understanding nature of problem. Now go forth and boil water. Jim Crabb Seabrook
Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
Oh so that's what happened. I guess I had better watch a bit more closely when you come to my house next time. ;-) Larry Geoff Spenceley wrote: Gary, Answer is yes!--or connect to 220V! Incidentally, when I do spark sparkies, it is at club members' railways whose track is powered. I can't steam unless the power is turned off or I cut the leads to the track! I always carry wire cutters as all steamers should. Geoff Thanks Geoff, I never considered 110 AC. Would I have to disable GFI protection to allow maximum enjoymnet of sparks? Steaming Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor By the way Gary. Sparks from the wheels are best obtained by bypassing your sparky's friend controller and connecting to 110V! You get lots of sparks and your ex-friend needs a hammer and chisel to remove the sparky loco from the track. Er-- make sure it aint your track!
Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
Thanks Jim, I appreciate the information, I'll check next time I steam if I have anymore problems. I think it was the ambient temp and the fact that I hurried too much, it did end up running well. The time before when it was a reasonably warm day it ran very well immediately I also have just found and bought a case of butane which I really prefer--cheaper than isobutane with more gas. I can't believe it! Steam on, Geoff Sorry I came to this thread late -- First, I fire my own RH Darjeeling (and all non alcohol engines) using 70/30 mix. Second, after a number of hours of firing I had trouble maintaining a fire -- blew it self out, too yellow, in the smoke box -- just to name a few. I finally isolated the the trouble to slight misalignment of poker. After experimenting I found that as little as 1/16 to 1/32 of an inch made a great difference. BTW, I had two Darjeelings at Sacramento which were troubled by similiar ailments and we got them both fixed by luck without really understanding nature of problem. Now go forth and boil water. Jim Crabb Seabrook
Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
Remember these things are all LPGs ie. liquified petroleum gases. Unlike COMPRESSED gases the pressure is NOT related to the fullness of the tank, but varies with temperature composition of the gas. With mixtures the propane probably comes off first, hence a new can of mixture seems to have more whoomph. An advantage of isobutane which is homogenous where what you get at the start should be what you get at the finish. You are of course correct, Lord Spenceley, nothing in the UK does work at the moment, but transferred to the get-up go atmosphere 'over there' the mixture should work OK. This is a roundabout way of saying that I think you have other problems - ? partially blocked jet. Remove, hold firmly inverted over butane can blow the gunk out. NB not the jet into the woods. Better tap an appropriately threaded hole (I think you will find it's 0BA) in a 1/8 thick bit of brass screw the jet into that before this manoeuvre. Alternatively the jet may have come a bit loose in its holder or needs a bit of PTFE tape on the thred to seal it in properly. Sir Art - Original Message - From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Steam Clubs Thankyou, Sir Art and Mike. I am informed! I think! My problem is with the R.H Class B Darjeeling. It performed very well with Glowmaster Isobutane #01220 (from Korea) but the local supplier now furnishes the can with an unthreaded connection so I can't use my adapter. The 70/30% I located is Coleman 3100 imported thru Canada and made in the UK-(could that be the blinkin' problem???) After the tank was filled and the jet lighted, the flame tended to burn in the smoke box or blow itself out. I, in my normal non-brilliance, figured the pressure in the can was too high . As I used more of the fuel (after blowing half of it into the woods!) the loco fired OK, perhaps because the pressure in the can had dropped. -I should comment that the isobutane can, when used previously for the Class B was only about 1/2 full so maybe had lower pressure. I am going to try a new can of the 70/30 on the Cricket to see what happens. Incidentally, the gas tank on the Class B is close to the boiler. Sir Art--there is no snow in the woods but RAIN, RAIN! The only thing that gives a flaccid response is me which is delightful as I can blame others! (pardon me!) Thanks, Geoff.
Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
At 11:04 PM 2/17/04 -, you wrote: This is a roundabout way of saying that I think you have other problems - a partially blocked jet. - Art I think he definitely needs to be seen by a specialist then. This calls for a full all-round poking, prodding, and sticking. Regards, Harry
Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
Thankyou Sir Art, Tag, Ron, Paul and others including B. W. Lunkenheimer who is concerned about my flaccidity. I will check all things including the jet , according to Sir Art's recommendation. Part of my problem may have been the cool weather--and the jet was spitting liquid--I shall perhaps vent my flaccidity on the gas tank to warm it before firing. So, if the weather clears up it's a diet of pork and beans with lots of onions. Hey, that sounds good, think I'll practice! Thanks for the tip on the adapter, Ron. Ah! now back to the alky fired locos--at least I can drink the stuff if I get frustrated ( I fire on Tanqueray) Thanks-- Frrrssst (Pardon me) By the way Gary. Sparks from the wheels are best obtained by bypassing your sparky's friend controller and connecting to 110V! You get lots of sparks and your ex-friend needs a hammer and chisel to remove the sparky loco from the track. Er-- make sure it aint your track! Remember these things are all LPGs ie. liquified petroleum gases. Unlike COMPRESSED gases the pressure is NOT related to the fullness of the tank, but varies with temperature composition of the gas. With mixtures the propane probably comes off first, hence a new can of mixture seems to have more whoomph. An advantage of isobutane which is homogenous where what you get at the start should be what you get at the finish. You are of course correct, Lord Spenceley, nothing in the UK does work at the moment, but transferred to the get-up go atmosphere 'over there' the mixture should work OK. This is a roundabout way of saying that I think you have other problems - ? partially blocked jet. Remove, hold firmly inverted over butane can blow the gunk out. NB not the jet into the woods. Better tap an appropriately threaded hole (I think you will find it's 0BA) in a 1/8 thick bit of brass screw the jet into that before this manoeuvre. Alternatively the jet may have come a bit loose in its holder or needs a bit of PTFE tape on the thred to seal it in properly. Sir Art - Original Message - From: Geoff Spenceley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of sslivesteam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Steam Clubs Thankyou, Sir Art and Mike. I am informed! I think! My problem is with the R.H Class B Darjeeling. It performed very well with Glowmaster Isobutane #01220 (from Korea) but the local supplier now furnishes the can with an unthreaded connection so I can't use my adapter. The 70/30% I located is Coleman 3100 imported thru Canada and made in the UK-(could that be the blinkin' problem???) After the tank was filled and the jet lighted, the flame tended to burn in the smoke box or blow itself out. I, in my normal non-brilliance, figured the pressure in the can was too high . As I used more of the fuel (after blowing half of it into the woods!) the loco fired OK, perhaps because the pressure in the can had dropped. -I should comment that the isobutane can, when used previously for the Class B was only about 1/2 full so maybe had lower pressure. I am going to try a new can of the 70/30 on the Cricket to see what happens. Incidentally, the gas tank on the Class B is close to the boiler. Sir Art--there is no snow in the woods but RAIN, RAIN! The only thing that gives a flaccid response is me which is delightful as I can blame others! (pardon me!) Thanks, Geoff.
Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
Hmm-Harry , Got your advice after my last Email, just sent--so thanks to you too. That specialist, the one in the local massage parlor? eyes of blue, 38-19-40 unmarried (who cares)--I'll go for that! I'd better clarify; the specialist is a lady, or used to be! Geoff. At 11:04 PM 2/17/04 -, you wrote: This is a roundabout way of saying that I think you have other problems - a partially blocked jet. - Art I think he definitely needs to be seen by a specialist then. This calls for a full all-round poking, prodding, and sticking. Regards, Harry
Re: Steam Clubs/Spenceley's Complaint
Thanks Geoff, I never considered 110 AC. Would I have to disable GFI protection to allow maximum enjoymnet of sparks? Steaming Sparking over Terror Trestle in Eugene, Oregon ~ Gary http://www.angelfire.com/or/trainguy http://community.webshots.com/user/raltzenthor By the way Gary. Sparks from the wheels are best obtained by bypassing your sparky's friend controller and connecting to 110V! You get lots of sparks and your ex-friend needs a hammer and chisel to remove the sparky loco from the track. Er-- make sure it aint your track!
