[Standards] XMPP Meetup during T-DOSE in Eindhoven (NL) in November

2017-07-30 Thread Timothée Jaussoin
Hi everyone,

I'm currently in contact with an organizer of the T-DOSE event. For those that 
don't know T-DOSE. 

T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote use 
and development of Open Source Software. During this event
Open Source projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and 
knowledge. This years event will be held at the Fontys
University of Applied Science in Eindhoven on November 18 and 19.

More info here http://www.t-dose.org/.

I think that it could be a nice opportunity to meet-up there and maybe have 
conferences to promote the XMPP protocol :)
The organizers told me that they have classrooms available where we could talk 
and that they are open for conferences proposal
(deadline September 30).

For those that are interested to take part of it and help with the organization 
do not hesitate to answer that mail.
I don't have a clear idea how we organize our participation into such event in 
the XSF, should I create a Wiki page? Is it possible to
put it in the agenda for the next meeting?

On my side I can help with the communication with the T-DOSE team, I'm also 
interested to propose a conference (around Movim/social-
networking on XMPP…) and participate in discussion if we meet-up to talk about 
the current XEP in progress.

Kind regards,

Timothée Jaussoin
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Re: [Standards] XEP-0357: Adding last-message-priority

2017-07-30 Thread Chris Ballinger
After a few more days of thought I'm not fully happy with the priority idea
because it doesn't really leave room for any other states other than new
message notifications. There may be other types of high priority that would
be helpful to include with static notifications, like invites, which aren't
covered satisfactorily.

There is another proposal to include stripped stanzas, and while I think it
offers the most flexibility, I am concerned that buggy (or even correct)
implementations could leak too much info, and that it adds too much
complexity to the pubsub node to parse the many different types of
notifiable stanzas.

>From my perspective I want the least amount of data possible to make a
satisfactory user experience. Running the pubsub node and push API exposes
a central point of failure, so I really want as little data as possible to
pass through our servers. As a bonus, preprocessing the stanzas into a
simple string enum type within the XMPP server before sending it over means
that app developers running pubsub nodes don't need to each write their own
stanza handling code.

last-message-type is probably the best in terms of trade-offs for my use
case. There are a minimal number of values that need to be supported for
basic functionality:

1. "message" -> hint to show "New Message!"
2. "invite" -> hint to show "Someone new wants to chat!"
3. "invite_group" -> hint to show "You've been invited to a group chat!"

If you're a server operator that is concerned with privacy, you can send
over just (1) and still have a satisfactory UX. Sending over (1,2,3)
doesn't remove that much in terms of privacy either. The additional types
I'm listing below _could_ be sent by the server, but perhaps should be
disabled by default, and only enabled when you're using a vertically
integrated XMPP stack and don't care as much about user metadata leaks. The
below could also be filtered out by the pubsub node because it can cause
major battery drain if these are constantly waking the app in the
background.

4. "typing_start"
5. "typing_end"
6. "receipt"
7. "read"

It could also be extended to other future types:

7. "call_audio" -> "Incoming audio call..."
8. "call_video" -> "Incoming video call..."

If you want to get really fancy you could allow the spec to include
multiple types separated by a space, to allow a fallback to recognized
types. Or I guess you could just fallback to "message", or simply ignore
unrecognized types.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Chris Ballinger 
wrote:

> This adds an optional "high" and "low" priority value, where "high"
> depends on whether the message contains a  or  (OMEMO)
> element. This helps limit overly verbose push notifications for things like
> typing notifications, without requiring transmission of anything about the
> message contents.
>
> The suggestion is that "high" priority pushes trigger something visible to
> the user, whereas "low" priority pushes can be filtered or sent as
> background fetches.
>
> This is a simplified variation of an earlier proposal that defined
> multiple message types.
>
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