Re: [Stripes-users] Source forge description: It's stripey and it doesn't suck
Souvenirs, souvenirs... To be honest I someimes miss those endless threads on TSS, was quite funny over there at the time. Now it's just advertisement and ohter bullshit. Cheers Remi - and Rolf... 2010/10/28 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm On the source forge page of Stripes I see the text: Source forge description: It's stripey and it doesn't suck I don't know what 'stripey' is, but I think 'suck' is really inappropriate language for a serious product as The Stripes Framework... http://sourceforge.net/projects/stripes/ Back in 2005, TheServerSide was the forum for many a web framework animated flame war. People were finally realizing that Struts was asking way too much work from the developer and doing way too little work for the developer in return--others knew it all along-- and Tim Fennell's intelligent and insightful comments were signed with a link to Stripes and the caption: Because web development doesn't have to suck. This caught my eye because it was a bold statement. Now, 2010 closing out, TSS is still the (a) site for animated flame wars, Struts has been replaced by JSF which is just as bad, but it takes a Spring vs Java EE thread; just your run-of-the-mill here's my new framework post doesn't make people waste their time anymore. Stripes has matured and perhaps, Karen, you are right, we shouldn't use 'suck' in our tagline. So, after all the brou-ha-ha-ha-ha of getting Stripes back into action, let's hear suggestions for a new, catchy, witty, smart, attractive tagline. Don't ask for mine, I've already used it for a book title ;) Cheers, Freddy -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
[Stripes-users] I18n parameters inside Stripes tags
If I do
s:submit name=orderButton/
the orderButton will be looked up in my i18n.properties file and its
value will be placed on the button.
Is there any way to replace {0}, {1}, etc. in this value with my
parameters? I mean, like fmt:param can be added inside fmt:message?
If not, how can I override the value in my JSP? If I do
s:submit name=orderButton value=my new value/
the button still takes its caption from i18n file :-(
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Re: [Stripes-users] I18n parameters inside Stripes tags
As usually, after asking, I found out how to do it myself. I already had 1.5.x branch checked out (it makes Stripes work with Glassfish 3), so I just applied patch found here http://www.stripesframework.org/jira/browse/STS-679 and rebuilt. It works. -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Thorough XSS Solution...
You're right, and I apologize for that. My initial statement that I disagree was enough. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos nikol...@brightminds.org wrote: Mike, Offhand, telling anyone they are absolutely wrong and speaking to them by saying that does not mean that I think you're a bad person and that person seem[s] like a wonderful man comes off as being quite arrogant. I'm not sure what compels you to make such statements no matter how badly you disagree with what anyone is saying... . You make some very interesting arguments... However, sanitizing via deletion or dis-allowing certain characters is just plain silly IMHO and if you carefully read my initial post you will see that is not what I suggested NOR what is commonly suggested for preventing XSS attacks. If people like those that develop banking web sites decide to take a draconian view then that is unfortunate but that is not what we are talking about here within the context of sensible development. In other words taking characters like ', , , etc... and escaping them to \', lt;, gt;, etc... to be presented on a web page is something that has ZERO negative effect on the user's input and does has not prevented the user from expressing themselves in any way, shape or form. The comment about O'Hara is equally dismissed as it can be encoded as O#x27;Hara which when presented in a web page looks exactly like O'Hara to the user; so there is once again no need to disallow ' characters as you argue. The point that you raise that is most interesting is that Data sanitization is a *presentation* problem, not an input problem. While this is debatable and not by any means black white IMHO... I will agree because although 99% of the time our data will be presented in HTML there is the time when we send HTML E-mails that we will also send a Plain Text version along with it in case the users e-mail client does not display HTML... in such a case O#x27;Hara won't cut it. So delaying to sanitize at presentation time is beneficial if you are dealing with multiple output formats or want to maintain that flexibility BUT there is no free lunch as delayed sanitization is less performant on a high read - low write - web app (such as ours). --Nikolaos Mike McNally wrote: For what it's worth, I entirely disagree with the idea that all input must be sanitized on the way in. That reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the generalized problem of which XSS is just one manifestation. User input is user input. What's important (vital, I'd say) is for the software to be sensitive to the fact that user input may end up being presented to ignorant parsers for interpretation. A good example is SQL. There's nothing wrong with the name O'Hara. It's somebody's name, and we cannot and should not disallow somebody from using that string as their name. But because that name contains the single-quote character, it's important that the server software takes care with it whenever it's being used in a SQL query. Similarly, the presentation layer might need to be careful should that name need to be used in a Javascript string, or in an HTML attribute value. Quoting of user-supplied data needs to be done at the point that the values are being handed over to another (ignorant) agent for re-interpretation. HTML is just one of many such cases. It makes absolutely no sense to pick one potential destination environment as the critical target for data sanitization. This point is made clearly evident by considering the fact that the requirements for protecting user-supplied strings from misinterpretation by an HTML/XML parser are completely different from those necessary to protect against Javascript misinterpretation. Data sanitization is a *presentation* problem, not an input problem. There may of course be guidelines about what certain particular input fields look like; obviously an ampersand is inappropriate in a phone number. But whenever I use a bank website written by clearly incompetent contractors that disallows my use of ampersands in secure messages to customer support, I'm reminded of how rare it is that this truism is misunderstood (or not understood at all) in the web application development community. Thus, Niklolaos, I think you're absolutely wrong. That does not mean that I think you're a bad person. Indeed, from your many posts on this mailing list, you seem like a wonderful man. I ask simply that you consider the fundamental nature of the problem. If I want to submit a description for some data entry, and my description includes angle brackets and ampersands, why would you disallow that? It's my comment or description, after all. I may have a very good reason to use those characters. The fact that they're HTML metacharacters is probably completely unknown to your typical user. They see the characters on the keyboard, and they feel entitled to use
Re: [Stripes-users] Thorough XSS Solution...
Hi Nikolaos
Of course there can be no black and white. I completely agree with that. I
guess my point is right for my application, which is then best practice
for that environment. If your app demands that you turn it around to prevent
xss on input instead of output, that seems to be best practice for you.
Now, I whished I could present some kind of generic wrapper that does stuff
by magic with no performance overhead. However, each time I have tried to
create such a mechanism, and thought it was pretty cool, after a while it
falls short for some reason, since it doesn't protect from misunderstanding
the need for it.
In my opinion each developer must know what he is doing. You can help by
applying patterns, but you need to make people think. That's the most
important experience I learned.
We use fn:escapeXml in the jsp and other encoding and make sure that people
know why this is important.
PreparedStatements are always used when accessing databases.
There is no magic in my opinion - only thinking about what you are doing :))
Regards
Søren
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:
Soren,
You make 2 very short but interesting points which I agree with:
1) If you are dealing with many outputs then sure delaying sanitizing
until presentation is the way to go. If you expect your data to 100% of the
time appear in HTML then I don't think its so black white as this approach
would come with a hefty cost in performance in a high read low write web
app. Besides performance hit the other not so pleasant aspect of delaying
is that there really isn't a single interface to sanitize and there's a
lot of unnecessary boiler plate.
That is to say in the case of HTML, you need to:
a) Wrap whatever is presented in view JSPs in say fn:escapeXml calls - which
is trivial but so darn repetitive. Not a major issue though but rather ugly
and repetitive.
b) Hand encode parameter values (think {1}) appearing in error messages
displayed back to the user.
How did you resolve a) and b) in an elegant way? Did you use formatters or
do something else???
2) As you point out using Parameterized Queries or Prepared Statements with
variable bindings does indeed thwarte SQL Injection attacks. I wasn't aware
of that. The key is that the JDBC driver encodes the variables. One
needs to be careful though not to plug-in string insert parameters into
queries as that exposes the problem again.
Alas, with respect to SQL Injection there does indeed appear to be a free
lunch.
Thanks,
--Nikolaos
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Re: [Stripes-users] Source forge description: It's stripey and it doesn't suck
On 27-10-2010 at 21:27, Freddy Daoud wrote: So, after all the brou-ha-ha-ha-ha of getting Stripes back into action, let's hear suggestions for a new, catchy, witty, smart, attractive tagline. Don't ask for mine, I've already used it for a book title ;) One option: Stripes... the skidmarks I leave because this framework isn't a straitjacket. (IMHO not really 'mature' though) Another option: Stripes: the best way to visualize rapid development. Oscar -- ,-_ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind http://www.xs4all.nl/~kindop/ /() ) (__ ( Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things. =/ () -- Robert Heinlein signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
[Stripes-users] Odd Clean URL Binding??? (1.5.4 Snapshot)
Hi,
We have the following:
@UrlBinding(/share/{id}/{titleUrlified}/${event})
Where id is a Long and titleUrlified is a String
When we test the following url:
/share/0/anything/edit
We get the following binding:
id=0
titleUrlified=anything/edit
and the @DefaultHandler view() method gets invoked vs. the edit() method
Why is titleUrlified NOT set to anything? Why is the binding so
aggressive?
Hopefully I am doing something silly. Anyone
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P.S. I haven't tested 1.5.3 (yet)... as it is quite a pain to switch
between the 2... (at the moment)
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Re: [Stripes-users] Thorough XSS Solution...
On 27-10-2010 at 20:13, Rick Grashel wrote: I would recommend reading OWASP.org regarding this stuff. Their best practices on XSS as well as SQL injection are very good. http://www.owasp.org/index.php/XSS_%28Cross_Site_Scripting%29_Prevention_Cheat_Sheet -- Rick A very good point. One thing I'm missing in this thread though is that, AFAIK, cross site scripting attacks can also take the form of fully correct, sane user input! The important part here is that the user has not performed the action, but a script does it for them. As always, it's a matter of balancing risk and damage. For administrative applications it's usually enough that the data can be altered later. This then undoes the attack. For financial transactions, like internet banking and e-commerce, each transaction is usually authenticated separately. Combined with feedback on the actual transaction, this mitigates the risk of scripts spending your money quite well (it makes any attack visible). Oscar -- ,-_ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind http://oscar.westravanholthe.nl/ /() ) (__ ( Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. =/ () -- Edsger Dijkstra, EWD498 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Odd Clean URL Binding??? (1.5.4 Snapshot)
On 28-10-2010 at 14:50, Nikolaos Giannopoulos wrote:
We have the following:
@UrlBinding(/share/{id}/{titleUrlified}/${event})
Where id is a Long and titleUrlified is a String
When we test the following url:
/share/0/anything/edit
We get the following binding:
id=0
titleUrlified=anything/edit
and the @DefaultHandler view() method gets invoked vs. the edit() method
Why is titleUrlified NOT set to anything? Why is the binding so
aggressive?
Hopefully I am doing something silly. Anyone
This looks like the same difference as regular expressions have in greedy vs.
reluctant operators. Since the event is optional and a String may contain a
/, it's possible for the String to bind everything.
Several choices can be made here:
- there can be at most one String parameter, and it must be the last (the
current greedy binding then works as expected)
- all parameters are required (AFAIK this is not the case now)
- new syntax is added to allow reluctant binding (as opposed to greedy)
- any combination of these (and others)
I'm not sure what choice is the best, but in my experience using the first
one is a workaround for the problem you're having now (although it may not be
an option given your requirements).
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Re: [Stripes-users] Dual Form... Log-in and Sign-up
On 27-10-2010 at 17:38, Nikolaos Giannopoulos wrote: Just about to build a horizontally split Log-in / Sign-up form and I was thinking... The Log-in form entails a simple user name and password The Sign-up form entails a wizard like interface for a multi-page set of forms I am considering 2 options: 1) 2 ActionBeans... [...] 2) 3 ActionBeans [...] I know that splitting the forms into 2 separate pages is obviously the simple solution but alas requirements are otherwise... . Any pointers on how others have tackled or would tackle such a problem? Your second option is best. Both have each form submit to a different ActionBean, which is exactly what you want. The second option though, allows each of the three beans to have it's own page. Combined with a custom ActionBeanContext, in which you can override the value of getSourcePageResolution(), you can do this: ActionBean 1 displays the page with both forms. ActionBean 2 handles login, but upon input errors it forwards the user to a page with only the login form (this form will need to be identical to the one on the first page, so you may want to use an include here). ActionBean 3 does something similar, but for the first (second, ...) page of the sign-up wizard. The same caveat applies to the form. Oscar -- ,-_ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind http://www.xs4all.nl/~kindop/ /() ) (__ ( It takes less time to do a thing right, than it does to explain why =/ () you did it wrong. -- Henry Wadsworth Longfellow signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Odd Clean URL Binding??? (1.5.4 Snapshot)
I believe you need to move the $ inside the curly braces.
{$event}
Nathan
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos
nikol...@brightminds.org wrote:
Hi,
We have the following:
@UrlBinding(/share/{id}/{titleUrlified}/${event})
Where id is a Long and titleUrlified is a String
When we test the following url:
/share/0/anything/edit
We get the following binding:
id=0
titleUrlified=anything/edit
and the @DefaultHandler view() method gets invoked vs. the edit() method
Why is titleUrlified NOT set to anything? Why is the binding so
aggressive?
Hopefully I am doing something silly. Anyone
--Nikolaos
P.S. I haven't tested 1.5.3 (yet)... as it is quite a pain to switch
between the 2... (at the moment)
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Re: [Stripes-users] Odd Clean URL Binding??? (1.5.4 Snapshot)
For event names, the $ goes inside the {}, not outside. So ...
@UrlBinding(/share/{id}/{titleUrlified}/{$event})
I'm sure I will forever regret making that bit of syntax so similar to EL.
-Ben
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos
nikol...@brightminds.org wrote:
Hi,
We have the following:
@UrlBinding(/share/{id}/{titleUrlified}/${event})
Where id is a Long and titleUrlified is a String
When we test the following url:
/share/0/anything/edit
We get the following binding:
id=0
titleUrlified=anything/edit
and the @DefaultHandler view() method gets invoked vs. the edit() method
Why is titleUrlified NOT set to anything? Why is the binding so
aggressive?
Hopefully I am doing something silly. Anyone
--Nikolaos
P.S. I haven't tested 1.5.3 (yet)... as it is quite a pain to switch
between the 2... (at the moment)
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Re: [Stripes-users] Odd Clean URL Binding??? (1.5.4 Snapshot)
Hi Nikolaos,
Try:
@UrlBinding(/share/{id}/{titleUrlified}/{$event})
The difference is the $ should be inside the bracket.
Aaron
On 10/28/2010 11:50 AM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos wrote:
Hi,
We have the following:
@UrlBinding(/share/{id}/{titleUrlified}/${event})
Where id is a Long and titleUrlified is a String
When we test the following url:
/share/0/anything/edit
We get the following binding:
id=0
titleUrlified=anything/edit
and the @DefaultHandler view() method gets invoked vs. the edit() method
Why is titleUrlified NOT set to anything? Why is the binding so
aggressive?
Hopefully I am doing something silly. Anyone
--Nikolaos
P.S. I haven't tested 1.5.3 (yet)... as it is quite a pain to switch
between the 2... (at the moment)
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Re: [Stripes-users] Source forge description: It's stripey and it doesn't suck
What about: Stripes - because it's simple Den 28/10/2010 22.14 skrev Nikolaos Giannopoulos nikol...@brightminds.org : On a more serious note... I agree with Karen. In fact... IMO its always better in marketing to differentiate yourself (and speak to your audience) with what you do well... How about something like: Stripes: The robust and intuitive Java web framework --Nikolaos 2010/10/28 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm mailto:xf2...@fastmail.fm On the source forge page of Stripes I see the text: Source forge descript... mailto:Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users --... -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Source forge description: It's stripey and it doesn't suck
I like it. On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Søren Pedersen wrote: What about: Stripes - because it's simple Den 28/10/2010 22.14 skrev Nikolaos Giannopoulos nikol...@brightminds.org: On a more serious note... I agree with Karen. In fact... IMO its always better in marketing to differentiate yourself (and speak to your audience) with what you do well... How about something like: Stripes: The robust and intuitive Java web framework --Nikolaos 2010/10/28 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm mailto:xf2...@fastmail.fm On the source forge page of Stripes I see the text: Source forge descript... mailto:Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users --... -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Source forge description: It's stripey and it doesn't suck
the other thing that people keep talking about is how Stripes is (or nearly is) feature complete. So how about: Stripes - simple complete. On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Søren Pedersen wrote: What about: Stripes - because it's simple Den 28/10/2010 22.14 skrev Nikolaos Giannopoulos nikol...@brightminds.org: On a more serious note... I agree with Karen. In fact... IMO its always better in marketing to differentiate yourself (and speak to your audience) with what you do well... How about something like: Stripes: The robust and intuitive Java web framework --Nikolaos 2010/10/28 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm mailto:xf2...@fastmail.fm On the source forge page of Stripes I see the text: Source forge descript... mailto:Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users --... -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Source forge description: It's stripey and it doesn't suck
Many take from the word simple alone to imply not feature rich. So adding some sort of qualifier is great but I am not sure that complete is the word. Nothing in software is ever complete unfortunately. (Not trying to start a flame war with those that believe Stripes is complete... I just don't think it is complete... heavily feature rich - sure... complete - No - IMHO). Just my 2cents... --Nikolaos Joaquin Valdez wrote: I like it! On Oct 28, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Evan Leonard wrote: the other thing that people keep talking about is how Stripes is (or nearly is) feature complete. So how about: Stripes - simple complete. On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Søren Pedersen wrote: What about: Stripes - because it's simple Den 28/10/2010 22.14 skrev Nikolaos Giannopoulos nikol...@brightminds.org mailto:nikol...@brightminds.org: On a more serious note... I agree with Karen. In fact... IMO its always better in marketing to differentiate yourself (and speak to your audience) with what you do well... How about something like: Stripes: The robust and intuitive Java web framework --Nikolaos 2010/10/28 Freddy Daoud xf2...@fastmail.fm mailto:xf2...@fastmail.fm mailto:xf2...@fastmail.fm mailto:xf2...@fastmail.fm On the source forge page of Stripes I see the text: Source forge descript... mailto:Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users --... -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.com mailto:joaquinfval...@gmail.com -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Stripes Development and its Future... (long)
I've been away from the Stripes community for a while since my current job didn't have a place for it. However, just now I find myself in a position of presenting web frameworks for retrofitting current site as well as future development for the same company. I am a big advocate of Stripes since I've experienced first hand the ease with which development happens. However, they of course want lists of other possible frameworks and pros and cons, etc. The other developers on the team who have say in the framework that is chosen are doing some extensive research. I keep advocating and pushing Stripes, but they just aren't finding that much information about it other than the website itself. The few blog posts that are out there are years old. So I'm sure we aren't the only ones running into this issue when evaluating frameworks. If some of your Stripes experts (I'm really still only a novice truth be told) would post on various tech site forums and blog about Stripes it would make a world of difference. Even simple posts about real world examples where Stripes made things easier for you. Or snippets of sample code on how to solve common problems. Yes, a lot of this stuff is on the Stripes website, but people want to see discussions out in the wild. Just my thoughts. -Matthew -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Source forge description: It's stripey and it doesn't suck
Along that vein, you could do something like Stripes: simply rich. Joel On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos nikol...@brightminds.org wrote: Many take from the word simple alone to imply not feature rich. So adding some sort of qualifier is great but I am not sure that complete is the word. Nothing in software is ever complete unfortunately. (Not trying to start a flame war with those that believe Stripes is complete... I just don't think it is complete... heavily feature rich - sure... complete - No - IMHO). Just my 2cents... --Nikolaos -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Odd Clean URL Binding??? (1.5.4 Snapshot)
You are both correct. Indeed perhaps something like {#event} would
have been better. Hindsight is always 20-20.
I realize I'm probably the only one who would like this, but I would
have used {_eventName} because that special request parameter is
already being used for the event name. So, one less magical thing
to learn.
Freddy
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Re: [Stripes-users] Odd Clean URL Binding??? (1.5.4 Snapshot)
I have always been partial to the ~
Joaquin
On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Freddy Daoud wrote:
You are both correct. Indeed perhaps something like {#event} would
have been better. Hindsight is always 20-20.
I realize I'm probably the only one who would like this, but I would
have used {_eventName} because that special request parameter is
already being used for the event name. So, one less magical thing
to learn.
Freddy
--
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Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada
$10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing
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Re: [Stripes-users] Odd Clean URL Binding??? (1.5.4 Snapshot)
+1 for {_eventName}
--
Samuel Santos
http://www.samaxes.com/
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Joaquin Valdez joaquinfval...@gmail.comwrote:
I have always been partial to the ~
Joaquin
On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Freddy Daoud wrote:
You are both correct. Indeed perhaps something like {#event} would
have been better. Hindsight is always 20-20.
I realize I'm probably the only one who would like this, but I would
have used {_eventName} because that special request parameter is
already being used for the event name. So, one less magical thing
to learn.
Freddy
--
Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America
contest
Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and
Canada
$10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in
marketing
Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store
http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev
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contest
Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada
$10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in
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Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store
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Re: [Stripes-users] Stripes Development and its Future... (long)
Just a quick pointer to help your case, a quick search on dzone.com for stripes reveals a number of good links and articles that may help your popularity case. Regards farouk --- On Thu, 28/10/10, Matthew Altman altman.matt...@gmail.com wrote: From: Matthew Altman altman.matt...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Stripes-users] Stripes Development and its Future... (long) To: Stripes Users List stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 22:33 I've been away from the Stripes community for a while since my current job didn't have a place for it. However, just now I find myself in a position of presenting web frameworks for retrofitting current site as well as future development for the same company. I am a big advocate of Stripes since I've experienced first hand the ease with which development happens. However, they of course want lists of other possible frameworks and pros and cons, etc. The other developers on the team who have say in the framework that is chosen are doing some extensive research. I keep advocating and pushing Stripes, but they just aren't finding that much information about it other than the website itself. The few blog posts that are out there are years old. So I'm sure we aren't the only ones running into this issue when evaluating frameworks. If some of your Stripes experts (I'm really still only a novice truth be told) would post on various tech site forums and blog about Stripes it would make a world of difference. Even simple posts about real world examples where Stripes made things easier for you. Or snippets of sample code on how to solve common problems. Yes, a lot of this stuff is on the Stripes website, but people want to see discussions out in the wild. Just my thoughts. -Matthew -Inline Attachment Follows- -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
Re: [Stripes-users] Source forge description: It's stripey and it doesn't suck
I keep thinking of the headline for Grails The search is over. At one point saying look no further and at another pointing to the fact that people have been for the holy grail for thousands of years. That's a good one. It would be cool if we hit something with more than one dimension :) Den 28/10/2010 23.47 skrev Joel Weight digitalj...@gmail.com: Along that vein, you could do something like Stripes: simply rich. Joel On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Nikolaos Giannopoulos nikol...@brightminds.org wrote: Many ... -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Stripes-users mailing list Stripes-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/stripes-users
