RE: [OT] IDEA was "Struts/.NET (was JavaPro)"
Yeh, If I was contracting I would probably do that too but on a salary its kind of hard to justify (well maybe not to myself but the wife wouldnt be too impressed) when its a huge percentage of your monthly paycheque and its not going to repay itself (at least not directly). Of course I could probably get it for $8 from the nearest pasar malam, but I really dont like using dodgy stuff. Oh well. I made the switch to Eclipse not long ago and am finding it pretty cool so far. Maybe Ill give NetBeans a go in a few months. -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 18:59 To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: [OT] IDEA was "Struts/.NET (was JavaPro)" Andrew Hill wrote: > 300 Is it? > I thought it was $460++ USD for a single developer??? - way more than > my budget runs to :-( Compared to something like Visual Studio, it's still a bargain =:0) How times have changed! In decades past, I can remember paying like a thousand bucks for IDEs that weren't nearly as good (but still worth it). Since I bill clients for my time, I can't afford to use anything less than the best. (Least not and keep a straight face on Sunday!) -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] IDEA was "Struts/.NET (was JavaPro)"
Andrew Hill wrote: > 300 Is it? > I thought it was $460++ USD for a single developer??? - way more than > my budget runs to :-( Compared to something like Visual Studio, it's still a bargain =:0) How times have changed! In decades past, I can remember paying like a thousand bucks for IDEs that weren't nearly as good (but still worth it). Since I bill clients for my time, I can't afford to use anything less than the best. (Least not and keep a straight face on Sunday!) -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] IDEA was "Struts/.NET (was JavaPro)"
300 Is it? I thought it was $460++ USD for a single developer??? - way more than my budget runs to :-( -Original Message- From: Jason L. Buberel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 13:05 To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: [OT] IDEA was "Struts/.NET (was JavaPro)" I'd have to concur with Arron on IDEA vs. Eclipse. I was so impressed by IDEA that I also shelled out the $300 license from my own pocket even though Eclipse is free. The ability to map any command to a keyboard shortcut is indeed wonderful. It integrates well with perforce (which we use at work), and is generally more stable, faster, and is better at memory management, from what I can tell. -jason On Tuesday 17 June 2003 09:10 pm, Arron Bates wrote: > > > And IDEA may be the best developer's UI ever invented. > > > > Ted, would you mind comparing IDEA to Eclipse a little > > bit, if you have time? Not a full blown feature-by-feature > > review, just highlights. > > I've used the latest Eclipse, and it's ok, but it's not IDEA. > > Eclipse has many of the features IDEA has, but not all, and they're not > quite as well integrated. They have live templates, but IDEA's are easier > to invoke etc etc. Eclipse have taken on some of the features to the degree > that they seem to have even ripped off some of the icons (eg. the little > light globe for code hints). > > Take custom keymaps. Eclipse can finally do custom key maps, but only for > _some_ functions. IDEA can keymap _any_ function. The entire keymap for the > whole IDE is changeable. You can even set keymaps to run your own ANT > targets. I _really_ dig this. For repetitive tasks, I have an ANT build > file full of messy things I've keymapped to make life easier. > > > All the little stuff, it's toe-to-toe. But the big ones like the local in > built version control and the diff tool are not there, and they're awesome > tools. The diff tool, is great, shows up things in a flash. Local version > control, didn't know you needed it until you have it. IDEA keeps a version > history of _all_ your changes to files regardless of any other versioning > system for the team. Basically, it rocks. Set labels and things, roll back > to last known good versions... it's now indispensible. > > One of the killer features about the local VCS, is that IDEA unlike any > other editor I've ever seen, can undo global search and replaces in your > project for the entire undo histroy. too cool for words. > > > You'll find that people using IDEA will swear by it. I dig it so much they > got my money from my own wallet, in spite of other editors being free and > my stingy tendencies. :P > > There's a demo available, best way to find out is to suck it and see. > > > Arron. > > > I've historically always been restricted to whatever > > my employer gives me (which has usually been JBuilder), > > so I have little experience in different UIs. Things > > are about to change though :) > > > > -TPP > > > > - > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole > > use > > of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or > disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the > sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also, email > is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized > amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we > are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment > or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] IDEA was "Struts/.NET (was JavaPro)"
I have used Eclipse a couple of times, just to see how it worked. For me, I
just didn't "get it". I couldn't understand how I was supposed to set up a
project. Then, I couldn't edit jsp's or xml in it. Now there are plugins,
but I don't know how good they are. I do know, they don't stand a chance
against IDEA.
I am another person that spent his own money on IDEA. Setting up a project
was a breeze. JSP's have auto complete and syntax highlighting. Same goes
for XML. Even without a DTD, IDEA offers you choices of the tags you have
previously used. As others have mentioned, you don't have to take your hand
off the keyboard to do anything. Everything has a key mapped to it to make
life easy.
Speaking of making life easy... If you type SomeClass sc = new SomeClass();
if you haven't imported SomeClass yet, IDEA offers to add the import for
you. To say yes, just hit ALT+ENTER. As a matter of fact, you will learn
to hit ALT+ENTER and CTRL+SPACE often. They are your friend. Getters and
Setters? They are an ALT+INSERT, UPKEY, UPKEY, ENTER away. Oh, and when it
adds code for you, it follows the code format that you have set, so you
don't have to go back and put your { in the right place. Oh yeah, and most
of these capabilities are in Eclipse, or Jbuilder... But they require you to
use your mouse, or they "Just don't get it right."
I am starting to sound like an infomercial... But IDEA is the greatest tool
ever.
Carl
-Original Message-
From: Jason L. Buberel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:05 AM
To: Struts Developers List
Subject: Re: [OT] IDEA was "Struts/.NET (was JavaPro)"
I'd have to concur with Arron on IDEA vs. Eclipse. I was so impressed by
IDEA
that I also shelled out the $300 license from my own pocket even though
Eclipse is free.
The ability to map any command to a keyboard shortcut is indeed wonderful.
It
integrates well with perforce (which we use at work), and is generally more
stable, faster, and is better at memory management, from what I can tell.
-jason
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 09:10 pm, Arron Bates wrote:
> > > And IDEA may be the best developer's UI ever invented.
> >
> > Ted, would you mind comparing IDEA to Eclipse a little
> > bit, if you have time? Not a full blown feature-by-feature review,
> > just highlights.
>
> I've used the latest Eclipse, and it's ok, but it's not IDEA.
>
> Eclipse has many of the features IDEA has, but not all, and they're
> not quite as well integrated. They have live templates, but IDEA's are
> easier to invoke etc etc. Eclipse have taken on some of the features
> to the degree that they seem to have even ripped off some of the icons
> (eg. the little light globe for code hints).
>
> Take custom keymaps. Eclipse can finally do custom key maps, but only
> for _some_ functions. IDEA can keymap _any_ function. The entire
> keymap for the whole IDE is changeable. You can even set keymaps to
> run your own ANT targets. I _really_ dig this. For repetitive tasks, I
> have an ANT build file full of messy things I've keymapped to make
> life easier.
>
>
> All the little stuff, it's toe-to-toe. But the big ones like the local
> in built version control and the diff tool are not there, and they're
> awesome tools. The diff tool, is great, shows up things in a flash.
> Local version control, didn't know you needed it until you have it.
> IDEA keeps a version history of _all_ your changes to files regardless
> of any other versioning system for the team. Basically, it rocks. Set
> labels and things, roll back to last known good versions... it's now
> indispensible.
>
> One of the killer features about the local VCS, is that IDEA unlike
> any other editor I've ever seen, can undo global search and replaces
> in your project for the entire undo histroy. too cool for words.
>
>
> You'll find that people using IDEA will swear by it. I dig it so much
> they got my money from my own wallet, in spite of other editors being
> free and my stingy tendencies. :P
>
> There's a demo available, best way to find out is to suck it and see.
>
>
> Arron.
>
> > I've historically always been restricted to whatever
> > my employer gives me (which has usually been JBuilder),
> > so I have little experience in different UIs. Things
> > are about to change though :)
> >
> > -TPP
> >
> > -
> > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the
> > sole use
>
> of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution
> or disclosure by
Re: [OT] IDEA was "Struts/.NET (was JavaPro)"
I'd have to concur with Arron on IDEA vs. Eclipse. I was so impressed by IDEA that I also shelled out the $300 license from my own pocket even though Eclipse is free. The ability to map any command to a keyboard shortcut is indeed wonderful. It integrates well with perforce (which we use at work), and is generally more stable, faster, and is better at memory management, from what I can tell. -jason On Tuesday 17 June 2003 09:10 pm, Arron Bates wrote: > > > And IDEA may be the best developer's UI ever invented. > > > > Ted, would you mind comparing IDEA to Eclipse a little > > bit, if you have time? Not a full blown feature-by-feature > > review, just highlights. > > I've used the latest Eclipse, and it's ok, but it's not IDEA. > > Eclipse has many of the features IDEA has, but not all, and they're not > quite as well integrated. They have live templates, but IDEA's are easier > to invoke etc etc. Eclipse have taken on some of the features to the degree > that they seem to have even ripped off some of the icons (eg. the little > light globe for code hints). > > Take custom keymaps. Eclipse can finally do custom key maps, but only for > _some_ functions. IDEA can keymap _any_ function. The entire keymap for the > whole IDE is changeable. You can even set keymaps to run your own ANT > targets. I _really_ dig this. For repetitive tasks, I have an ANT build > file full of messy things I've keymapped to make life easier. > > > All the little stuff, it's toe-to-toe. But the big ones like the local in > built version control and the diff tool are not there, and they're awesome > tools. The diff tool, is great, shows up things in a flash. Local version > control, didn't know you needed it until you have it. IDEA keeps a version > history of _all_ your changes to files regardless of any other versioning > system for the team. Basically, it rocks. Set labels and things, roll back > to last known good versions... it's now indispensible. > > One of the killer features about the local VCS, is that IDEA unlike any > other editor I've ever seen, can undo global search and replaces in your > project for the entire undo histroy. too cool for words. > > > You'll find that people using IDEA will swear by it. I dig it so much they > got my money from my own wallet, in spite of other editors being free and > my stingy tendencies. :P > > There's a demo available, best way to find out is to suck it and see. > > > Arron. > > > I've historically always been restricted to whatever > > my employer gives me (which has usually been JBuilder), > > so I have little experience in different UIs. Things > > are about to change though :) > > > > -TPP > > > > - > > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole > > use > > of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or > disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the > sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also, email > is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized > amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we > are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment > or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] IDEA was "Struts/.NET (was JavaPro)"
> > And IDEA may be the best developer's UI ever invented. > > Ted, would you mind comparing IDEA to Eclipse a little > bit, if you have time? Not a full blown feature-by-feature > review, just highlights. I've used the latest Eclipse, and it's ok, but it's not IDEA. Eclipse has many of the features IDEA has, but not all, and they're not quite as well integrated. They have live templates, but IDEA's are easier to invoke etc etc. Eclipse have taken on some of the features to the degree that they seem to have even ripped off some of the icons (eg. the little light globe for code hints). Take custom keymaps. Eclipse can finally do custom key maps, but only for _some_ functions. IDEA can keymap _any_ function. The entire keymap for the whole IDE is changeable. You can even set keymaps to run your own ANT targets. I _really_ dig this. For repetitive tasks, I have an ANT build file full of messy things I've keymapped to make life easier. All the little stuff, it's toe-to-toe. But the big ones like the local in built version control and the diff tool are not there, and they're awesome tools. The diff tool, is great, shows up things in a flash. Local version control, didn't know you needed it until you have it. IDEA keeps a version history of _all_ your changes to files regardless of any other versioning system for the team. Basically, it rocks. Set labels and things, roll back to last known good versions... it's now indispensible. One of the killer features about the local VCS, is that IDEA unlike any other editor I've ever seen, can undo global search and replaces in your project for the entire undo histroy. too cool for words. You'll find that people using IDEA will swear by it. I dig it so much they got my money from my own wallet, in spite of other editors being free and my stingy tendencies. :P There's a demo available, best way to find out is to suck it and see. Arron. > I've historically always been restricted to whatever > my employer gives me (which has usually been JBuilder), > so I have little experience in different UIs. Things > are about to change though :) > > -TPP > > - > This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, retention, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. Also, email is susceptible to data corruption, interception, tampering, unauthorized amendment and viruses. We only send and receive emails on the basis that we are not liable for any such corruption, interception, tampering, amendment or viruses or any consequence thereof. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
