[OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could put up their Why I love Struts comments. I know I have to answer this question often to clients and other developers and it would be nice to say Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love it' or whatever. Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere. Throwing in that big name usually helps... My .02 Robert McIntosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
You can also say, IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD. IBM is supportive of OSS in general though. David From: Robert McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600 I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could put up their Why I love Struts comments. I know I have to answer this question often to clients and other developers and it would be nice to say Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love it' or whatever. Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere. Throwing in that big name usually helps... My .02 Robert McIntosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
That is true. After all they both donate and use a lot of Apache/Jakarta stuff. I believe they use Jasper and I know they rebrand Apache web server. Robert David Graham wrote: You can also say, IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD. IBM is supportive of OSS in general though. David From: Robert McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600 I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could put up their Why I love Struts comments. I know I have to answer this question often to clients and other developers and it would be nice to say Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love it' or whatever. Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere. Throwing in that big name usually helps... My .02 Robert McIntosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AW: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
I do not know, how things are on the other side of the drink (USA) but here in Europe more and more companies do go for open-source. (In 2002 I have seen one project on Weblogic [with Struts] and a multiple of them on JBoss.) The only place, where OSS is behind are databases. IMHO. Plus, companies are installing Linux like crazy all over the place. :) Does Struts have any commercial alternative? Many big names use a lot of OSS. (IBM, Oracle, Sun) tibor -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2003 18:04 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) That is true. After all they both donate and use a lot of Apache/Jakarta stuff. I believe they use Jasper and I know they rebrand Apache web server. Robert David Graham wrote: You can also say, IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD. IBM is supportive of OSS in general though. David From: Robert McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600 I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could put up their Why I love Struts comments. I know I have to answer this question often to clients and other developers and it would be nice to say Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love it' or whatever. Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere. Throwing in that big name usually helps... My .02 Robert McIntosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
Kiss, Tibor (Contractor) wrote: I do not know, how things are on the other side of the drink (USA) but here in Europe more and more companies do go for open-source. (In 2002 I have seen one project on Weblogic [with Struts] and a multiple of them on JBoss.) The only place, where OSS is behind are databases. IMHO. I believe over here JBoss is used widely as a development environment since it is so easy to use, but it isn't being 'allowed' to be put into production. Shame, but true. Plus, companies are installing Linux like crazy all over the place. :) Does Struts have any commercial alternative? The only one I am aware of is JLink. I saw an article some time ago in JavaDevelopers Journal on it, but that is all I know of. I believe Oracle has a custom MVC impl, but I don't think there are nearly as many as in OSS. You got Struts, Turbine, WebMacro, Velocity, and on and on... Many big names use a lot of OSS. (IBM, Oracle, Sun) tibor -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2003 18:04 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) That is true. After all they both donate and use a lot of Apache/Jakarta stuff. I believe they use Jasper and I know they rebrand Apache web server. Robert David Graham wrote: You can also say, IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD. IBM is supportive of OSS in general though. David From: Robert McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600 I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could put up their Why I love Struts comments. I know I have to answer this question often to clients and other developers and it would be nice to say Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love it' or whatever. Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere. Throwing in that big name usually helps... My .02 Robert McIntosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
Grrr wrong OT to reply to, sorry about the confusion. IBM likes open source because it commoditizes sofware which adds value to compliments like hardware and soda. You may remember http://www.pepsiblue.com/index.htm It's all starting to come together isn't it? -Dave -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) You can also say, IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD. IBM is supportive of OSS in general though. David From: Robert McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600 I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could put up their Why I love Struts comments. I know I have to answer this question often to clients and other developers and it would be nice to say Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love it' or whatever. Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere. Throwing in that big name usually helps... My .02 Robert McIntosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
HandySoft also uses Struts for BizFlow (www.handysoft.com), an industrial-strength workflow automation tool. Mark -Original Message- From: Robert McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:04 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) That is true. After all they both donate and use a lot of Apache/Jakarta stuff. I believe they use Jasper and I know they rebrand Apache web server. Robert David Graham wrote: You can also say, IBM integrated Struts support into WSAD. IBM is supportive of OSS in general though. David From: Robert McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:17:28 -0600 I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could put up their Why I love Struts comments. I know I have to answer this question often to clients and other developers and it would be nice to say Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love it' or whatever. Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere. Throwing in that big name usually helps... My .02 Robert McIntosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] web site idea (was Value of Struts)
-1. My philosophy is under promise over deliver. If you put this on a site, than someone's mileage may vary. Then when you get on a client's site it will be how come we didn't have xyz here? .V Robert McIntosh wrote: I read everyone's responses to Gene Campbell's question and I think there should be a place on the Struts website (maybe a wiki or something?) where all of these good folks who responded to him could put up their Why I love Struts comments. I know I have to answer this question often to clients and other developers and it would be nice to say Go to the struts website and look at page 'Why I love it' or whatever. Promoting Struts is often difficult since it is open source and there is that fear amongst the management (generally) about open source stuff. Never mind that there are 5 (6?) books on struts alone, it has one of the largest followings in open source Java, is in production is some major companies, etc. The one thing I usually say to a manager type is IBM uses it for the admin on WebSphere. Throwing in that big name usually helps... My .02 Robert McIntosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
