Re: Question - how many of us?
That will be a fun chart below to watch when final 1.1 gets released. Also, some people might like this chart, showing Apache vs MS: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/06/12/june_2003_web_server_survey.html Adam Hardy wrote: Not all of those hits are downloads, since every access to any page in the online documentation counts :-). I don't think so. The stats on http://www.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/projects/struts.html show several categories, including 'hits', 'views' etc. The monthly hits stats are in the order of 5 million. But then I'm willing to accept you might know better. -- Vic Cekvenich, Struts Instructor, 1-800-917-JAVA Advanced Struts Training and project recovery in North East. Open Source Content Management basicPortal sofware Best practiceStruts Support v.1.1 helper ScafflodingXPress - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question - how many of us?
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Adam Hardy wrote: > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:14:33 +0200 > From: Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? > > Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > >>Wow - average 70 to 100 thousand downloads per month according to those > >>stats. > > > > Not all of those hits are downloads, since every access to any page in the > > online documentation counts :-). > > > I don't think so. The stats on > http://www.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/projects/struts.html show > several categories, including 'hits', 'views' etc. The monthly hits > stats are in the order of 5 million. But then I'm willing to accept you > might know better. > Wow ... I didn't know Vadim had the per-project stats pages done. The Struts download counts still strike me as really high (about 10x higher than the last time I counted manually, which was late in 2002, when we were getting 8,000/month instead of 80,000/month), although the corresponding Tomcat download counts look like what they have historically been (100k per month or so). Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Question - how many of us?
My guess is more than 20 and less than 5 million. :) -Original Message- From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:15 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? Craig R. McClanahan wrote: >>Wow - average 70 to 100 thousand downloads per month according to those >>stats. > > Not all of those hits are downloads, since every access to any page in the > online documentation counts :-). I don't think so. The stats on http://www.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/projects/struts.html show several categories, including 'hits', 'views' etc. The monthly hits stats are in the order of 5 million. But then I'm willing to accept you might know better. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question - how many of us?
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Wow - average 70 to 100 thousand downloads per month according to those stats. Not all of those hits are downloads, since every access to any page in the online documentation counts :-). I don't think so. The stats on http://www.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/projects/struts.html show several categories, including 'hits', 'views' etc. The monthly hits stats are in the order of 5 million. But then I'm willing to accept you might know better. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Question - how many of us?
I might be just me but if we have to count the number of people using this technology then there just might not be enough people using it. I am fighting the .Net vs. Java war and the JSP/Struts combo is at a disadvantage. We need development tools that will make it as easy to build in (JSP/Struts/JSF?) as it is in .Net. The java based platform is more robust but most applications do not require that additional robustness. Let's level the playing field, take on .Net on its own terms, ease of development. So ends the rant of the day. Glenn -Original Message- From: Chen, Gin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:13 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: Question - how many of us? The few. The proud. The Struts Users. -Tim -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Adam Hardy wrote: > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:21:51 +0200 > From: Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? > > Wow - average 70 to 100 thousand downloads per month according to those > stats. Not all of those hits are downloads, since every access to any page in the online documentation counts :-). > > Presume average 80,000 per month for the last 12 months, even if only > 25% of the downloads lead to people using struts, that's 12 * 0.25 * > 8 = 240,000 users. > Alas, there are also a few folks who have downloaded more than one version of Struts over the last three years > OK so there's some way to go yet before struts achieves the same market > saturation as Windows ;) > Yep. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Question - how many of us?
The few. The proud. The Struts Users. -Tim -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Adam Hardy wrote: > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:21:51 +0200 > From: Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? > > Wow - average 70 to 100 thousand downloads per month according to those > stats. Not all of those hits are downloads, since every access to any page in the online documentation counts :-). > > Presume average 80,000 per month for the last 12 months, even if only > 25% of the downloads lead to people using struts, that's 12 * 0.25 * > 8 = 240,000 users. > Alas, there are also a few folks who have downloaded more than one version of Struts over the last three years > OK so there's some way to go yet before struts achieves the same market > saturation as Windows ;) > Yep. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question - how many of us?
wow, talking about a miss-calculation hey? :-) --Alen - Original Message - From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? > > > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Adam Hardy wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:21:51 +0200 > > From: Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? > > > > Wow - average 70 to 100 thousand downloads per month according to those > > stats. > > Not all of those hits are downloads, since every access to any page in the > online documentation counts :-). > > > > > Presume average 80,000 per month for the last 12 months, even if only > > 25% of the downloads lead to people using struts, that's 12 * 0.25 * > > 8 = 240,000 users. > > > > Alas, there are also a few folks who have downloaded more than one version > of Struts over the last three years > > > OK so there's some way to go yet before struts achieves the same market > > saturation as Windows ;) > > > > Yep. > > Craig > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question - how many of us?
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Adam Hardy wrote: > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:21:51 +0200 > From: Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? > > Wow - average 70 to 100 thousand downloads per month according to those > stats. Not all of those hits are downloads, since every access to any page in the online documentation counts :-). > > Presume average 80,000 per month for the last 12 months, even if only > 25% of the downloads lead to people using struts, that's 12 * 0.25 * > 8 = 240,000 users. > Alas, there are also a few folks who have downloaded more than one version of Struts over the last three years > OK so there's some way to go yet before struts achieves the same market > saturation as Windows ;) > Yep. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Question - how many of us?
> -Original Message- > From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:38 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? > > > Andrew Hill wrote: > > 240,000 eh? > > > > In other words, only about 1% of the users subscribe to the > list, from which > > we can make the deduction that the other 99% do not need > support for struts > > and have no trouble using it, so I guess that makes us list > subscribers the > > intellectual bottom of the barrel? ;-) > > > > LOL! > > Either that or the other 99% go out and buy the struts books. I also bought the o'reilly book. But still i wouldn't like to miss the list since many questions are too complicated to find the answer within the book. So at this point i'd like to say: thanks to you all for your valuable help Greetz, Filip > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question - how many of us?
Andrew Hill wrote: 240,000 eh? In other words, only about 1% of the users subscribe to the list, from which we can make the deduction that the other 99% do not need support for struts and have no trouble using it, so I guess that makes us list subscribers the intellectual bottom of the barrel? ;-) LOL! Either that or the other 99% go out and buy the struts books. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Question - how many of us?
240,000 eh? In other words, only about 1% of the users subscribe to the list, from which we can make the deduction that the other 99% do not need support for struts and have no trouble using it, so I guess that makes us list subscribers the intellectual bottom of the barrel? ;-) -Original Message- From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2003 16:22 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Question - how many of us? Wow - average 70 to 100 thousand downloads per month according to those stats. Presume average 80,000 per month for the last 12 months, even if only 25% of the downloads lead to people using struts, that's 12 * 0.25 * 8 = 240,000 users. OK so there's some way to go yet before struts achieves the same market saturation as Windows ;) Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Igor Shabalov wrote: > > >>Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:04:24 -0700 >>From: Igor Shabalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Question - how many of us? >> >> >>Do anybody have any idea how many Struts users exists or how many downloads >>of Struts runtime per month we have now? > > > It's pretty hard to track stuff like this, but here's a few nuggets: > > * Currently there are 2744 subscribers to STRUTS-USER (plus an unknown > number who read it through newsfeed mirrors). It's the largest > user mailing list at Jakarta, exceeding TOMCAT-USER that has ~2400. > > * Download counts are really hard to accumulate now that we are using > the mirroring system, but last summer Struts was averaging > 8-9000 downloads per month. I expect that number is somewhat higher > now. > > * The upcoming 1.1 final release will probably send that number > through the roof, at least temporarily :-). > > * Vadim Gritsenko accumulates and posts some high level statistics > for Apache web sites that can be interesting to peruse: > > http://www.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/index.html > > Struts definitely shows up as an active project there too. > > Craig > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question - how many of us?
Wow - average 70 to 100 thousand downloads per month according to those stats. Presume average 80,000 per month for the last 12 months, even if only 25% of the downloads lead to people using struts, that's 12 * 0.25 * 8 = 240,000 users. OK so there's some way to go yet before struts achieves the same market saturation as Windows ;) Craig R. McClanahan wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Igor Shabalov wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:04:24 -0700 From: Igor Shabalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Question - how many of us? Do anybody have any idea how many Struts users exists or how many downloads of Struts runtime per month we have now? It's pretty hard to track stuff like this, but here's a few nuggets: * Currently there are 2744 subscribers to STRUTS-USER (plus an unknown number who read it through newsfeed mirrors). It's the largest user mailing list at Jakarta, exceeding TOMCAT-USER that has ~2400. * Download counts are really hard to accumulate now that we are using the mirroring system, but last summer Struts was averaging 8-9000 downloads per month. I expect that number is somewhat higher now. * The upcoming 1.1 final release will probably send that number through the roof, at least temporarily :-). * Vadim Gritsenko accumulates and posts some high level statistics for Apache web sites that can be interesting to peruse: http://www.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/index.html Struts definitely shows up as an active project there too. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question - how many of us?
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Igor Shabalov wrote: > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:04:24 -0700 > From: Igor Shabalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Question - how many of us? > > > Do anybody have any idea how many Struts users exists or how many downloads > of Struts runtime per month we have now? It's pretty hard to track stuff like this, but here's a few nuggets: * Currently there are 2744 subscribers to STRUTS-USER (plus an unknown number who read it through newsfeed mirrors). It's the largest user mailing list at Jakarta, exceeding TOMCAT-USER that has ~2400. * Download counts are really hard to accumulate now that we are using the mirroring system, but last summer Struts was averaging 8-9000 downloads per month. I expect that number is somewhat higher now. * The upcoming 1.1 final release will probably send that number through the roof, at least temporarily :-). * Vadim Gritsenko accumulates and posts some high level statistics for Apache web sites that can be interesting to peruse: http://www.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/index.html Struts definitely shows up as an active project there too. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Question - how many of us?
Do anybody have any idea how many Struts users exists or how many downloads of Struts runtime per month we have now? -- Igor Shabalov Director of Engineering Exadel Inc. http://www.exadel.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
