RE: [OT] Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
> Herndon is a pretty sweet place. I used to work in Reston, > actually on the top floor at Reston Town Center, and that > area is tops. It sure does beat this place that I'm at now, > hands down! A salary of $50K would be pretty meager living > though, especially in that area. You'd most likely have to > live elsewhere and commute. I grew up in Reston (and you've made me nauseous by calling it "tops!" tyvm :- ). I mean, any place that has zoning laws telling you you cannot paint your house the color you want, can fine you for not mowing your lawn, has outlawed street lights and tells McDonalds it cannot have Golden Arches, and that Convience Stores must not face the roads (all in the name of keeping property values up), it a little bit up uptight for me. Anyway, I live in the area still. To give people an idea of price points: Fairfax County VA is a Washington DC suburb and has gone through a huge population growth in the last few years. Something like 1/9 of all the people in the entire state live there. Fairfax is ranked like #3 in the US for median family income, and has housing prices to match. It's no San Francisco, but still pricy. Rent on a nice single family home costing $2000 a month is probably only a little on the pricy side for the area, and certainly isn't outrageous by local standards. What's affordable in the area? Money Magazine recently rated Sugarland Run, a community about 10 miles away in Sterling, VA as being one of the best places to live in the US because it had good schools (by US stds), near Civil War landmarks, more or less reasonable housing prices for the area, and proximity to good employment. TownHomes in this community run about 150-170K, Single Family Homes push 300K and thats after a *significant* run-up in the last few years. On the plus side, you can by a Camry for the low $20K range I believe, and gas (like all places in the states is cheap) cost me $1.69/gal for regular the other day. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
Joe Hertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I grew up in Reston (and you've made me nauseous by calling it > "tops!" tyvm :-). I mean, any place that has zoning laws telling you > you cannot paint your house the color you want, can fine you for not > mowing your lawn, has outlawed street lights and tells McDonalds it > cannot have Golden Arches, and that Convience Stores must not face > the roads (all in the name of keeping property values up), it a > little bit up uptight for me. Oh I didn't live there, I just worked there. I lived in Frederick County, Maryland, which was quite a bit better of a place to live than in Reston. I agree, those laws are quite a bit uptight -- no place should have obnoxious zoning like that. But the area is pretty clean, seems to not have much of a crime rate, and has decent roads and places to eat. A good place to work, but I'd live in Frederick, MD any day over Reston. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
> Oh I didn't live there, I just worked there. I lived in > Frederick County, Maryland, which was quite a bit better of a > place to live than in Reston. I agree, those laws are quite > a bit uptight -- no place should have obnoxious zoning like > that. But the area is pretty clean, seems to not have much > of a crime rate, and has decent roads and places to eat. A > good place to work, but I'd live in Frederick, MD any day over Reston. But the commute from Frederick to Reston is horrendous! Reston Town Center is a nice environment once you get there. The problem is that the place is traffic-strangled. The local roads cannot handle the traffic problem already, and more and more giagantic buildings are constantly being built. As for the laws quoted above (painting houses, etc), *lots* of developments have homeowner associations that impose these kinds of regulations. These associations are quasi-governments (you *must* belong, you *must* pay the fee) that don't operate like governments (membership - and votes - go to owners, not residents, and are sometimes weighted by size or cost of property owned). Lots of people get *extremely* angry at them, but you usually lose a fight against them. -- Tim Slattery [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE:[OT]Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
when: 2004 where: sydney citizenship: australian the problem though is that most people here thesedays want some level of experience before they are willing to hire you, the trend is a lot towards contract/temp jobs. the problem ofcourse is where to get that elusive experience, and uni project experience doesn't count for anything. so you have this cycle where you are looking to get some experience and most companies want only experienced personnel. and when it comes to tax i believe australia has one of the world's highest tax rate, and sydney is way too pricey. but what i would like to know is whats the scenario outside, like int he states, singapore, UK etc. is there a good demand for qualified but inexperienced IT graduates. would a move abroad be good? Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Jiin-Her hits the nail on the head > I certainly wouldn't want to make 50K while living in Boston or New York > City... > Here's the cost of living for Herndon VA > http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?sa=&c=Herndon&s=VA&z= > > Cost of living (taxes, expenses, insurance, etc...) can change from town > to town even. As the add says you need to move to Herndon VA to live on > that 50K. ;) > > -R^3 > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jiin-Her Lu wrote: > > > Depends on when, where, and what is your citizenship. It can be up to $ > 85000+ in US. > > > > Jiin-Her Lu > > (816) 926-2145 > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- ajay --- Who Dares Wins - This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE:[OT]Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
ajay, The best way to demonstrate you skills is to look for an idea and write something and sell it, you end up as your own boss and you gain the experience. You seem to think the no-experience vs employeers want experience issue is new, but it was the same 15 years or so ago when I started out. You can sit around and frett about it or just get on with it yourself. If you want to work for someone else, that is fine, you just need to work hard and you'll do fine, there are so many lazy programmers out in the market these days that there is a shortage of dedicated professional graduates. Thirdly, move down to Melbourne, the weather is nicer down here:) Chris On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, ajay wrote: > when: 2004 > where: sydney > citizenship: australian > > the problem though is that most people here thesedays want some level of > experience before they are willing to hire you, the trend is a lot towards > contract/temp jobs. > the problem ofcourse is where to get that elusive experience, and uni project > experience doesn't count for anything. > so you have this cycle where you are looking to get some experience and most > companies want only experienced personnel. > and when it comes to tax i believe australia has one of the world's highest tax > rate, and sydney is way too pricey. > > but what i would like to know is whats the scenario outside, like int he > states, singapore, UK etc. is there a good demand for qualified but > inexperienced IT graduates. would a move abroad be good? > > > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > Jiin-Her hits the nail on the head > > I certainly wouldn't want to make 50K while living in Boston or New York > > City... > > Here's the cost of living for Herndon VA > > http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?sa=&c=Herndon&s=VA&z= > > > > Cost of living (taxes, expenses, insurance, etc...) can change from town > > to town even. As the add says you need to move to Herndon VA to live on > > that 50K. ;) > > > > -R^3 > > > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jiin-Her Lu wrote: > > > > > Depends on when, where, and what is your citizenship. It can be up to $ > > 85000+ in US. > > > > > > Jiin-Her Lu > > > (816) 926-2145 > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > ajay > --- > Who Dares Wins > > - > This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE:[OT]Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
hi! thanks for the suggestion. that is pretty much what i had decided to do ie write something and try and market it. however i'd beg to differ on the weather. i dont think cold, grey, wet, clammy, uncertain weather qualifies as good weather esp compared to the sunny predictable weather down here. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > ajay, > > The best way to demonstrate you skills is to look for an idea and write > something and sell it, you end up as your own boss and you gain the > experience. > > You seem to think the no-experience vs employeers want experience issue is > new, but it was the same 15 years or so ago when I started out. You can > sit around and frett about it or just get on with it yourself. > > If you want to work for someone else, that is fine, you just need to > work hard and you'll do fine, there are so many lazy programmers out in > the market these days that there is a shortage of dedicated professional > graduates. > > Thirdly, move down to Melbourne, the weather is nicer down here:) > > Chris > > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, ajay wrote: > > > when: 2004 > > where: sydney > > citizenship: australian > > > > the problem though is that most people here thesedays want some level of > > experience before they are willing to hire you, the trend is a lot towards > > contract/temp jobs. > > the problem ofcourse is where to get that elusive experience, and uni > project > > experience doesn't count for anything. > > so you have this cycle where you are looking to get some experience and > most > > companies want only experienced personnel. > > and when it comes to tax i believe australia has one of the world's highest > tax > > rate, and sydney is way too pricey. > > > > but what i would like to know is whats the scenario outside, like int he > > states, singapore, UK etc. is there a good demand for qualified but > > inexperienced IT graduates. would a move abroad be good? > > > > > > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > > > Jiin-Her hits the nail on the head > > > I certainly wouldn't want to make 50K while living in Boston or New > York > > > City... > > > Here's the cost of living for Herndon VA > > > > http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?sa=&c=Herndon&s=VA&z= > > > > > > Cost of living (taxes, expenses, insurance, etc...) can change from town > > > to town even. As the add says you need to move to Herndon VA to live on > > > that 50K. ;) > > > > > > -R^3 > > > > > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jiin-Her Lu wrote: > > > > > > > Depends on when, where, and what is your citizenship. It can be up to > $ > > > 85000+ in US. > > > > > > > > Jiin-Her Lu > > > > (816) 926-2145 > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ajay > > --- > > Who Dares Wins > > > > - > > This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- ajay --- Who Dares Wins - This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT]Looking for junior Java/Struts developers
IMHO contributing code to open source projects should also count for something in terms of experience - especially if its a well known project like struts. (If your still a student you should have a fair bit of spare time you could do that in too!). So why not take a look at the open defects and see if there is anything you can help with. :-) As for the experience vs no-experience problem, thats confronted graduates in all disciplines since time immemorial! Just got to keep trying till you can get your foot in the door somewhere (dont be surprised if you end up in a completely different area of IT than what you studied!). Once you have some experience under your belt the number of options available to you expands tremendously. As for overseas markets, can't give any advice on the States, but the job market for programmers here in S'Pore is dead as a dodo (supply exceeds demand and starting salaries are dropping dramatically). Your probably better off staying in Sydney. Tax is much lower here though, top marginal rate is something like 26% when your earning 400k. Pretty good compared to back in Australia where the top rate is almost 50% and kicks in at about 60k per year (and they wonder why graduates leave the country and dont come back). Paid as much tax in a month in Aus as I do in a year here! -Original Message- From: ajay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2004 09:53 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE:[OT]Looking for junior Java/Struts developers hi! thanks for the suggestion. that is pretty much what i had decided to do ie write something and try and market it. however i'd beg to differ on the weather. i dont think cold, grey, wet, clammy, uncertain weather qualifies as good weather esp compared to the sunny predictable weather down here. Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > ajay, > > The best way to demonstrate you skills is to look for an idea and write > something and sell it, you end up as your own boss and you gain the > experience. > > You seem to think the no-experience vs employeers want experience issue is > new, but it was the same 15 years or so ago when I started out. You can > sit around and frett about it or just get on with it yourself. > > If you want to work for someone else, that is fine, you just need to > work hard and you'll do fine, there are so many lazy programmers out in > the market these days that there is a shortage of dedicated professional > graduates. > > Thirdly, move down to Melbourne, the weather is nicer down here:) > > Chris > > On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, ajay wrote: > > > when: 2004 > > where: sydney > > citizenship: australian > > > > the problem though is that most people here thesedays want some level of > > experience before they are willing to hire you, the trend is a lot towards > > contract/temp jobs. > > the problem ofcourse is where to get that elusive experience, and uni > project > > experience doesn't count for anything. > > so you have this cycle where you are looking to get some experience and > most > > companies want only experienced personnel. > > and when it comes to tax i believe australia has one of the world's highest > tax > > rate, and sydney is way too pricey. > > > > but what i would like to know is whats the scenario outside, like int he > > states, singapore, UK etc. is there a good demand for qualified but > > inexperienced IT graduates. would a move abroad be good? > > > > > > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > > > Jiin-Her hits the nail on the head > > > I certainly wouldn't want to make 50K while living in Boston or New > York > > > City... > > > Here's the cost of living for Herndon VA > > > > http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?sa=&c=Herndon&s=VA&z = > > > > > > Cost of living (taxes, expenses, insurance, etc...) can change from town > > > to town even. As the add says you need to move to Herndon VA to live on > > > that 50K. ;) > > > > > > -R^3 > > > > > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jiin-Her Lu wrote: > > > > > > > Depends on when, where, and what is your citizenship. It can be up to > $ > > > 85000+ in US. > > > > > > > > Jiin-Her Lu > > > > (816) 926-2145 > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ajay > > --- > > Who Dares Wins > > > > --
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hi!
thanks for the suggestion. that is pretty much what i had decided to do ie
write something and try and market it.
however i'd beg to differ on the weather.
i dont think cold, grey, wet, clammy, uncertain weather qualifies as good
weather esp compared to the sunny predictable weather down here.
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> ajay,
>
> The best way to demonstrate you skills is to look for an idea and write
> something and sell it, you end up as your own boss and you gain the
> experience.
>
> You seem to think the no-experience vs employeers want experience issue
is
> new, but it was the same 15 years or so ago when I started out. You can
> sit around and frett about it or just get on with it yourself.
>
> If you want to work for someone else, that is fine, you just need to
> work hard and you'll do fine, there are so many lazy programmers out in
> the market these days that there is a shortage of dedicated professional
> graduates.
>
> Thirdly, move down to Melbourne, the weather is nicer down here:)
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, ajay wrote:
>
> > when: 2004
> > where: sydney
> > citizenship: australian
> >
> > the problem though is that most people here thesedays want some level
of
> > experience before they are willing to hire you, the trend is a lot
towards
> > contract/temp jobs.
> > the problem ofcourse is where to get that elusive experience, and uni
> project
> > experience doesn't count for anything.
> > so you have this cycle where you are looking to get some experience
and
> most
> > companies want only experienced personnel.
> > and when it comes to tax i believe australia has one of the world's
highest
> tax
> > rate, and sydney is way too pricey.
> >
> > but what i would like to know is whats the scenario outside, like int
he
> > states, singapore, UK etc. is there a good demand for qualified but
> > inexperienced IT graduates. would a move abroad be good?
> >
> >
> > Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> >
> > > Jiin-Her hits the nail on the head
> > > I certainly wouldn't want to make 50K while living in Boston or New
> York
> > > City...
> > > Here's the cost of living for Herndon VA
> > >
> http://realestate.yahoo.com/re/neighborhood/search.html?sa=&c=Herndon&s=VA&z=
> > >
> > > Cost of living (taxes, expenses, insurance, etc...) can change from
town
> > > to town even. As the add says you need to move to Herndon VA to live
on
> > > that 50K. ;)
> > >
> > > -R^3
> > >
> > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Jiin-Her Lu wrote:
> > >
> > > > Depends on when, where, and what is your citizenship. It can be up
to
> $
> > > 85000+ in US.
> > > >
> > > > Jiin-Her Lu
> > > > (816) 926-2145
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ajay
> > ---
> > Who Dares Wins
> >
> > -
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