Re: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-08-16 Thread Steinar Bang

 Chuck Cavaness [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I think it's taking them a long time to figure out which animal they
 want on the cover :)

Struts is Norwegian for ostrich, so a big flightless bird is my
suggestion. 



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Re: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-08-16 Thread Steinar Bang

 Steinar Bang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Chuck Cavaness [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I think it's taking them a long time to figure out which animal
 they want on the cover :)

 Struts is Norwegian for ostrich, so a big flightless bird is my
 suggestion.

Much to late appearently.  They have chosen a horse of some sort.

Interestingly the posted amazon link listed four other Struts books
that I hadn't heard about.  Probably because none of them have been
published yet...:-)

All 5 books will be published from September through November of this
year. 



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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-08-16 Thread Darren Hill

I'd love to read Chapter 18 ... anyone have a copy?

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 Steinar Bang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Chuck Cavaness [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I think it's taking them a long time to figure out which animal
 they want on the cover :)

 Struts is Norwegian for ostrich, so a big flightless bird is my
 suggestion.

Much to late appearently.  They have chosen a horse of some sort.

Interestingly the posted amazon link listed four other Struts books
that I hadn't heard about.  Probably because none of them have been
published yet...:-)

All 5 books will be published from September through November of this
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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-08-16 Thread chuckcavaness

The chapters got reshuffled after I had to cut several 
due to time and size. Which chapter topic are you 
referring to? If you are referring to Logging (chapter 
18 before renumbering), it is not chapter 15 and can be 
downloaded from 
http://www.theserverside.com/resources/strutsreview.jsp

Chuck
 I'd love to read Chapter 18 ... anyone have a copy?
 
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  Steinar Bang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Chuck Cavaness [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  I think it's taking them a long time to figure out which animal
  they want on the cover :)
 
  Struts is Norwegian for ostrich, so a big flightless bird is my
  suggestion.
 
 Much to late appearently.  They have chosen a horse of some sort.
 
 Interestingly the posted amazon link listed four other Struts books
 that I hadn't heard about.  Probably because none of them have been
 published yet...:-)
 
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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-08-16 Thread James Mitchell


 18 before renumbering), it is not chapter 15 and can be
^^^

Was that not or now?

James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
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 The chapters got reshuffled after I had to cut several
 due to time and size. Which chapter topic are you
 referring to? If you are referring to Logging (chapter
 18 before renumbering), it is not chapter 15 and can be
 downloaded from
 http://www.theserverside.com/resources/strutsreview.jsp

 Chuck
  I'd love to read Chapter 18 ... anyone have a copy?
 
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  Sent: August 16, 2002 9:48 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available
 
 
   Steinar Bang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Chuck Cavaness [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   I think it's taking them a long time to figure out which animal
   they want on the cover :)
 
   Struts is Norwegian for ostrich, so a big flightless bird is my
   suggestion.
 
  Much to late appearently.  They have chosen a horse of some sort.
 
  Interestingly the posted amazon link listed four other Struts books
  that I hadn't heard about.  Probably because none of them have been
  published yet...:-)
 
  All 5 books will be published from September through November of this
  year.
 
 
 
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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-08-16 Thread Darren Hill

Great .. I've got them all ... 

GREAT stuff Chuck .. Already pre-ordered from Amazon.

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The chapters got reshuffled after I had to cut several 
due to time and size. Which chapter topic are you 
referring to? If you are referring to Logging (chapter 
18 before renumbering), it is not chapter 15 and can be 
downloaded from 
http://www.theserverside.com/resources/strutsreview.jsp

Chuck
 I'd love to read Chapter 18 ... anyone have a copy?
 
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: August 16, 2002 9:48 AM
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 Subject: Re: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available
 
 
  Steinar Bang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Chuck Cavaness [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  I think it's taking them a long time to figure out which animal
  they want on the cover :)
 
  Struts is Norwegian for ostrich, so a big flightless bird is my
  suggestion.
 
 Much to late appearently.  They have chosen a horse of some sort.
 
 Interestingly the posted amazon link listed four other Struts books
 that I hadn't heard about.  Probably because none of them have been
 published yet...:-)
 
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Re: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-08-16 Thread Craig R. McClanahan



On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Steinar Bang wrote:

 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:48:28 +0200
 From: Steinar Bang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Newsgroups: gmane.comp.jakarta.struts.user
 Subject: Re: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

  Steinar Bang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Chuck Cavaness [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  I think it's taking them a long time to figure out which animal
  they want on the cover :)

  Struts is Norwegian for ostrich, so a big flightless bird is my
  suggestion.

 Much to late appearently.  They have chosen a horse of some sort.

 Interestingly the posted amazon link listed four other Struts books
 that I hadn't heard about.  Probably because none of them have been
 published yet...:-)

 All 5 books will be published from September through November of this
 year.


Pretty amazing, isn't it?  Having seen quite a bit of information from
several of these books, you'll find lots of very helpful stuff in the way
that the authors have approached it.

Friday
The only thing that disappoints me on the Amazon search results page for
struts is that the seventh title is out of print.  Why Askar, the
peacock struts with pride sounds like a good attitude for this day of the
week ...
/Friday

Craig


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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-08-16 Thread chuckcavaness

It was supposed to be now. I'm a terrible editor of my 
own writing, as most of you can attest :)

Chuck
 
  18 before renumbering), it is not chapter 15 and can be
 ^^^
 
 Was that not or now?
 
 James Mitchell
 Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
 Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network
 http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
 
 
 
 
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  Subject: RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available
 
 
  The chapters got reshuffled after I had to cut several
  due to time and size. Which chapter topic are you
  referring to? If you are referring to Logging (chapter
  18 before renumbering), it is not chapter 15 and can be
  downloaded from
  http://www.theserverside.com/resources/strutsreview.jsp
 
  Chuck
   I'd love to read Chapter 18 ... anyone have a copy?
  
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Chuck Cavaness [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
I think it's taking them a long time to figure out which animal
they want on the cover :)
  
Struts is Norwegian for ostrich, so a big flightless bird is my
suggestion.
  
   Much to late appearently.  They have chosen a horse of some sort.
  
   Interestingly the posted amazon link listed four other Struts books
   that I hadn't heard about.  Probably because none of them have been
   published yet...:-)
  
   All 5 books will be published from September through November of this
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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread Chappell, Simon P

Chuck,

Any word on your expected publication date yet? I have $$$ burning a hole in my pocket 
waiting for your book. I see that Sue Spielman's book is expected in October, 
according to Amazon, but I couldn't find your book on there.

Simon

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Chapter 18 Logging in a Struts Application has been 
posted on theserverside.com. 

http://www.theserverside.com/resources/strutsreview.jsp

The EJB Chapter is finished and will be posted within 
the next day or so, followed by Tiles and the 
Performance chapter.

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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread Chuck Cavaness

Simon,

   I have to be finished by the end of the month. O'Reilly has done a good 
thing and forced me to finish the book this month. What this means is that 
several chapters will not make it into this first edition. They will be 
covered in the 2nd edition, which I've already had discussions with them 
about. The simple truth is that I was trying to cover to much material in 
one book and I'm a slow writer.

This is both good and bad. Good because the book is getting so large and 
would have been huge if I actually put every chapter into it. Not to 
mention that it wouldn't be out for 10 more years :) But unfortunately, 
several chapters will not make it into this edition.

Having said all of that, I expect the book to be out in very late August or 
early September. O'Reilly told me that it should be available for 
pre-ordering this month. I think it's taking them a long time to figure out 
which animal they want on the cover :)

Chuck

At 03:13 PM 7/18/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Chuck,

Any word on your expected publication date yet? I have $$$ burning a hole 
in my pocket waiting for your book. I see that Sue Spielman's book is 
expected in October, according to Amazon, but I couldn't find your book on 
there.

Simon

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 Chapter 18 Logging in a Struts Application has been
 posted on theserverside.com.
 
 http://www.theserverside.com/resources/strutsreview.jsp
 
 The EJB Chapter is finished and will be posted within
 the next day or so, followed by Tiles and the
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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread James Mitchell

 I think it's taking them a long time to figure out
 which animal they want on the cover :)

+1 for sasquatch.
http://www.bfro.net/



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Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
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 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:35 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available


 Simon,

I have to be finished by the end of the month. O'Reilly has
 done a good
 thing and forced me to finish the book this month. What this
 means is that
 several chapters will not make it into this first edition. They will be
 covered in the 2nd edition, which I've already had discussions with them
 about. The simple truth is that I was trying to cover to much material in
 one book and I'm a slow writer.

 This is both good and bad. Good because the book is getting so large and
 would have been huge if I actually put every chapter into it. Not to
 mention that it wouldn't be out for 10 more years :) But unfortunately,
 several chapters will not make it into this edition.

 Having said all of that, I expect the book to be out in very late
 August or
 early September. O'Reilly told me that it should be available for
 pre-ordering this month.


 Chuck


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Re: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread Adam Hardy

That's unfair - I'd have a beaver.


And no smart comments on that thanks.



James Mitchell wrote:
I think it's taking them a long time to figure out
which animal they want on the cover :)
 
 
 +1 for sasquatch.
 http://www.bfro.net/
 
 
 
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 Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
 Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network
 http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
 
 
 
 
 
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Simon,

   I have to be finished by the end of the month. O'Reilly has
done a good
thing and forced me to finish the book this month. What this
means is that
several chapters will not make it into this first edition. They will be
covered in the 2nd edition, which I've already had discussions with them
about. The simple truth is that I was trying to cover to much material in
one book and I'm a slow writer.

This is both good and bad. Good because the book is getting so large and
would have been huge if I actually put every chapter into it. Not to
mention that it wouldn't be out for 10 more years :) But unfortunately,
several chapters will not make it into this edition.

Having said all of that, I expect the book to be out in very late
August or
early September. O'Reilly told me that it should be available for
pre-ordering this month.
 
 
Chuck
 
 
 
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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread Michael Marrotte

+2 for sasquatch.

or maybe an ostridge...  Strut -- To walk with a lofty, proud gait, and
erect head; to walk with affected dignity.
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=strutr=67

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 I think it's taking them a long time to figure out
 which animal they want on the cover :)

+1 for sasquatch.
http://www.bfro.net/



James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network
http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta




 -Original Message-
 From: Chuck Cavaness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:35 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available


 Simon,

I have to be finished by the end of the month. O'Reilly has
 done a good
 thing and forced me to finish the book this month. What this
 means is that
 several chapters will not make it into this first edition. They will be
 covered in the 2nd edition, which I've already had discussions with them
 about. The simple truth is that I was trying to cover to much material in
 one book and I'm a slow writer.

 This is both good and bad. Good because the book is getting so large and
 would have been huge if I actually put every chapter into it. Not to
 mention that it wouldn't be out for 10 more years :) But unfortunately,
 several chapters will not make it into this edition.

 Having said all of that, I expect the book to be out in very late
 August or
 early September. O'Reilly told me that it should be available for
 pre-ordering this month.


 Chuck


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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread Tero P Paananen

 or maybe an ostridge...  Strut -- To walk with a lofty, proud 
 gait, and
 erect head; to walk with affected dignity.
 http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=strutr=67

+2 for ostrich (please note the correct spelling :)

Perfect!

-TPP - ostrich = strutsi in Finnish

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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread Joseph Barefoot

Or a peacock.  They definitely strut, and are all about their visual
display. :)

h...it appears that O'Reilly has already used a peacock thoughor,
ahem, a peafowl, excuse me.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/xmlnut/colophon.html

Just a headshot though, not what I was thinking.


peace,
Joe



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  or maybe an ostridge...  Strut -- To walk with a lofty, proud
  gait, and
  erect head; to walk with affected dignity.
  http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=strutr=67

 +2 for ostrich (please note the correct spelling :)

 Perfect!

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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread Martin Cooper

Nah. I don't think we'd want to give the impression that the existence of
Struts is not yet proven...

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  I think it's taking them a long time to figure out
  which animal they want on the cover :)
 
 +1 for sasquatch.
 http://www.bfro.net/
 
 
 
 James Mitchell
 Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
 Struts-Atlanta, the Open Minded Developer Network
 http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Chuck Cavaness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:35 PM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
  Subject: RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book 
 now available
 
 
  Simon,
 
 I have to be finished by the end of the month. O'Reilly has
  done a good
  thing and forced me to finish the book this month. What this
  means is that
  several chapters will not make it into this first edition. 
 They will be
  covered in the 2nd edition, which I've already had 
 discussions with them
  about. The simple truth is that I was trying to cover to 
 much material in
  one book and I'm a slow writer.
 
  This is both good and bad. Good because the book is getting 
 so large and
  would have been huge if I actually put every chapter into it. Not to
  mention that it wouldn't be out for 10 more years :) But 
 unfortunately,
  several chapters will not make it into this edition.
 
  Having said all of that, I expect the book to be out in very late
  August or
  early September. O'Reilly told me that it should be available for
  pre-ordering this month.
 
 
  Chuck
 
 
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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread Martin Cooper

Ah, but in English, there's a saying about ostriches sticking their heads in
the sand. From Mirriam-Webster Online:

ostrich:
2 [from the belief that the ostrich when pursued hides its head in the sand
and believes itself to be unseen] : one who attempts to avoid danger or
difficulty by refusing to face it.

Not a good connotation for Struts!

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  or maybe an ostridge...  Strut -- To walk with a lofty, proud 
  gait, and
  erect head; to walk with affected dignity.
  http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=strutr=67
 
 +2 for ostrich (please note the correct spelling :)
 
 Perfect!
 
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RE: [ANN] Chapter 18 of the O'Reilly Struts book now available

2002-07-18 Thread Joseph Barefoot

I usually refer to it as the ostrich syndrome, as in:

The majority of the people in the U.S. are suffering from ostrich syndrome
regarding the country's foreign policy.  Most are  unfortunately also
suffering from tunnel-vision and temporal myopia, two conditions which
commonly afflict people world-wide.

;)






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 Ah, but in English, there's a saying about ostriches sticking
 their heads in
 the sand. From Mirriam-Webster Online:

 ostrich:
 2 [from the belief that the ostrich when pursued hides its head
 in the sand
 and believes itself to be unseen] : one who attempts to avoid danger or
 difficulty by refusing to face it.

 Not a good connotation for Struts!

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   or maybe an ostridge...  Strut -- To walk with a lofty, proud
   gait, and
   erect head; to walk with affected dignity.
   http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=strutr=67
 
  +2 for ostrich (please note the correct spelling :)
 
  Perfect!
 
  -TPP - ostrich = strutsi in Finnish
 
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