Re: OT FRIDAY: Re: JavaServer Faces

[Vic Cekvenich]

Craig R. McClanahan wrote:

And you even forgot JSR-168 too :-)
Oh yeah, I did not even criticize that! Next time. ;-}
.V

Craig


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Re: OT FRIDAY: Re: JavaServer Faces

[Craig R. McClanahan]

Vic Cekvenich wrote:

Kito D. Mann wrote:

The main difference between the component and taglib approach is that 
in the component world, all of this functionality would be 
implemented by a component/renderer pair. The component itself would 
be a JavaBean, so it'd have methods, properties, and events, and 
integrate with tools. You could even have a JavaBeans customizer that 
would allow you to find and connect to the data source with a wizard 
interface. You could also develop different renderers, so perhaps one 
would output HTML and another might work for a WML device. 


It's submarine, but it can fly AND it's a lawn mower too. This way 
every member of the committee gets their feature. We'll think of a use 
for it later. A grid that displays on my browser; and on my cell 
phone!  This would run great in PowerPoint.

Where the C# tutorial!

(of course, vendors do not have to use it later, unlike people that 
develop OS. Yeah, make it like Swing, lets duplicate that success. I 
use Eclipse, those silly OS people don't use Swing "standard", they 
must not be as smart.) I used to use Vendor designed frameworks, and 
ran away from them to Struts.

Kito D. Mann wrote:

> There's an example of a much less capable, but similar, component in 
JSF EA4.

> Kito D. Mann
> Author, JSF in Action

Vic:... "less capable", and more complex, now that takes a committee 
to advise me.

Craig wrote:

>some commenters fail to remember what "early access" means -- it's 
not done yet.

So we can't critisize it? But you can market it? Positive reviews are 
OK? I have heard wait till next version from Sun. There are a lot of 
promisses made, like ASF version of JSF, and  
"Submarines and lawn mowers" isn't criticism ... it's emotional 
grandstanding.



Craig wrote (in another thread on EJB):

Struts doesn't have a UI component model at all (the HTML tags do not 
count -- they are simply ways to render simple input fields -- which 
is why we have to work so hard at things like tree controls and 
grids), but shines in its overall framework characteristics.

??

Vic: "HTML tags are a simple way to render input tags" ... simple as 
in simple is bad?
Simple is great if your needs are simple ... when your needs grow then 
you need something else -- tree controls, menus, editable tables, and so 
on are all things that have to be bolted together, and aren't 
necessarily designed to interoperate.  Let alone provide sufficient 
metadata about themselves so that they will make it possible for tools 
to provide a rich experience.  Where's the property sheet that an IDE 
can use to drag one of these tags onto a pallete and the configure it?

(Also I use a nice open source tag for tree that emits .js 
http://www.guydavis.ca/projects/oss/tags)

I agree with Matt on this issue.

Hopefully it's OK that I stay with http://displaytag.sf.net  and 
Struts, and JSTL/HTML for Multi Row Updates/Validation. Until Flash 
Grid takes over, executing on a client's browser, and not on the server.
Be my guest. 

(See, I did not even bring up vendor licensing or Sun's poor finance ;-))
And you even forgot JSR-168 too :-)

Go Java!

KISS,

.V
Craig



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Re: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!

[Brian McSweeney]

thanks for all the help Tib,
I'll give it a try.
Brian


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Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:03 PM
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> Brian McSweeney írta:
>
> >So how would you do that for yes|no ?
> >Something like:
> >
> >  >   depends="mask">
> >   
> >   
> >   mask
> >   yes|no
> >   
> > 
> >
> >Forgive my woeful lack of regular expression knowledge :-)
> >
> It uses the javascript regexp  in conjuction with the jakarta-oro
> regexps. jakarta-oro
> is almost fully compatible w/ perl type regexps.
> I've learned all my regexp knowledge from the perlre manual pages.
> This might help you as well. Check this out:
> http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6.1/pod/perlre.html
>
> Here is an example for this:
>
>mask
>(yes|no)
>
>
> I am thinking whether the required validator would be enough however a
> naughty
> power-user entering invalid request-parameters could make the app throw
> exception
> in this case.
>
> Tib
>
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Re: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!

[Gemes Tibor]

Brian McSweeney írta:

So how would you do that for yes|no ?
Something like:

  
  
  mask
  yes|no
  

Forgive my woeful lack of regular expression knowledge :-)

It uses the javascript regexp  in conjuction with the jakarta-oro 
regexps. jakarta-oro
is almost fully compatible w/ perl type regexps.
I've learned all my regexp knowledge from the perlre manual pages.
This might help you as well. Check this out:
http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6.1/pod/perlre.html

Here is an example for this:
  
  mask
  (yes|no)
  
I am thinking whether the required validator would be enough however a 
naughty
power-user entering invalid request-parameters could make the app throw 
exception
in this case.

Tib



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Re: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!

[Brian McSweeney]

Hey Tib,

thanks for the tip.
I've never used the mask validator before.
If I'm right, it's used for custom regular expression
validation.

So how would you do that for yes|no ?
Something like:

 
   
   
   mask
   yes|no
   
 

Forgive my woeful lack of regular expression knowledge :-)

cheers,
Brian




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> Andrew Hill írta:
>
> >That Im not sure, as Ive not played with the validator myself. It should
be
> >possible, but you may need to use a String property in your ActionForm as
> >you now have 3 possible values to populate with...
> >
> >
> What about "yes"/"no"/""  (empty)?
>
> In this case a (yes|no) mask validator is enough.
>
> Tib
>
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Re: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!

[Brian McSweeney]

Ah,
thanks Andrew,
so perhaps if I set the field to required using the validator I can get the
same effect.
Thanks for your help,
Brian

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> That Im not sure, as Ive not played with the validator myself. It should
be
> possible, but you may need to use a String property in your ActionForm as
> you now have 3 possible values to populate with...
>
>
> I actually validate in my actions and use string values on my actionforms
> for everything including true/false values. In the case of a checkbox my
> reset sets to "false" so my validation code checks to see if the string is
> "true" or "false". If I change my ui to submit that field from a select
box
> and provide a blank option whose value is an empty string my validation
code
> will pick it up when the user selects it and add an ActionError to the
> effect that the field wasnt filled in...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, 16 June 2003 17:26
> To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!
>
>
> I was just thinking about doing the same because of the many messages
> discussing the evils of checkboxes. I would also like to use what you
> suggested Andrew --> an empty option that doesn't pass validation.
>
> However, I wonder is it possible to do this type of validation with the
> validator?
>
> thanks,
> Brian
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andrew Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!
>
>
> > +1
> >
> > Im thinking of doing the same.
> > Checkboxes are evil.
> >
> > Another bonus to using dropdowns instead is that if you really need the
> user
> > to think about whether that field should be true or false then you can
add
> > an extra empty choice that doesnt pass validation. That way they will be
> > forced to set a value in that field whereas with a checkbox they can
> easily
> > forget to tick it and submit a false value by mistake...
> >
> > My theory on what the w3c specs guys were thinking tends to involve them
> > down the pub having a few too many beers and one of them saying "hey
guys!
> > Ive got an idea - wouldnt it be funny if we..."
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Viggio, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 04:17
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Subject: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!
> >
> >
> > Is it just me?!? ;)
> >
> > In our last release, I replaced all of the checkboxes with YES/NO
> dropdowns
> > ( and  tags using a Collection for the
> > "YES"=true/"NO"=false mapping).
> >
> > The users seem to prefer this user interface (no one's complained at
> least)
> > and I can still tie these to a ActionForm boolean property thanks to
> > aforementioned Collection (via  tag)! We have a complex,
> > multi-part/layer wizard workflow using the nesting tablib extensively so
> the
> > code was begging for refactorings. This UI change allowed us to get rid
of
> > all of the kludgy code to support these retarded HTML checkboxes (cya
> > ActionForm reset()).
> >
> > What were you thinking W3C spec gurus!
> >
> > Apologies if you momma worked on the HTML checkbox spec, but it's Friday
> the
> > 13th and I'm flying to a warm, tropical beach tomorrow!!!
> >
> > - Alex
> >
> > p.s. I'm sure that there is a more elegant solution -- feel free to
> share...
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Re: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!

[Gemes Tibor]

Andrew Hill írta:

That Im not sure, as Ive not played with the validator myself. It should be
possible, but you may need to use a String property in your ActionForm as
you now have 3 possible values to populate with...
 

What about "yes"/"no"/""  (empty)?

In this case a (yes|no) mask validator is enough.

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RE: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!

[Andrew Hill]

That Im not sure, as Ive not played with the validator myself. It should be
possible, but you may need to use a String property in your ActionForm as
you now have 3 possible values to populate with...


I actually validate in my actions and use string values on my actionforms
for everything including true/false values. In the case of a checkbox my
reset sets to "false" so my validation code checks to see if the string is
"true" or "false". If I change my ui to submit that field from a select box
and provide a blank option whose value is an empty string my validation code
will pick it up when the user selects it and add an ActionError to the
effect that the field wasnt filled in...

-Original Message-
From: Brian McSweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 16 June 2003 17:26
To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!


I was just thinking about doing the same because of the many messages
discussing the evils of checkboxes. I would also like to use what you
suggested Andrew --> an empty option that doesn't pass validation.

However, I wonder is it possible to do this type of validation with the
validator?

thanks,
Brian


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From: "Andrew Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!


> +1
>
> Im thinking of doing the same.
> Checkboxes are evil.
>
> Another bonus to using dropdowns instead is that if you really need the
user
> to think about whether that field should be true or false then you can add
> an extra empty choice that doesnt pass validation. That way they will be
> forced to set a value in that field whereas with a checkbox they can
easily
> forget to tick it and submit a false value by mistake...
>
> My theory on what the w3c specs guys were thinking tends to involve them
> down the pub having a few too many beers and one of them saying "hey guys!
> Ive got an idea - wouldnt it be funny if we..."
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Viggio, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 04:17
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!
>
>
> Is it just me?!? ;)
>
> In our last release, I replaced all of the checkboxes with YES/NO
dropdowns
> ( and  tags using a Collection for the
> "YES"=true/"NO"=false mapping).
>
> The users seem to prefer this user interface (no one's complained at
least)
> and I can still tie these to a ActionForm boolean property thanks to
> aforementioned Collection (via  tag)! We have a complex,
> multi-part/layer wizard workflow using the nesting tablib extensively so
the
> code was begging for refactorings. This UI change allowed us to get rid of
> all of the kludgy code to support these retarded HTML checkboxes (cya
> ActionForm reset()).
>
> What were you thinking W3C spec gurus!
>
> Apologies if you momma worked on the HTML checkbox spec, but it's Friday
the
> 13th and I'm flying to a warm, tropical beach tomorrow!!!
>
> - Alex
>
> p.s. I'm sure that there is a more elegant solution -- feel free to
share...
>
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Re: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!

[Brian McSweeney]

I was just thinking about doing the same because of the many messages
discussing the evils of checkboxes. I would also like to use what you
suggested Andrew --> an empty option that doesn't pass validation.

However, I wonder is it possible to do this type of validation with the
validator?

thanks,
Brian


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Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!


> +1
>
> Im thinking of doing the same.
> Checkboxes are evil.
>
> Another bonus to using dropdowns instead is that if you really need the
user
> to think about whether that field should be true or false then you can add
> an extra empty choice that doesnt pass validation. That way they will be
> forced to set a value in that field whereas with a checkbox they can
easily
> forget to tick it and submit a false value by mistake...
>
> My theory on what the w3c specs guys were thinking tends to involve them
> down the pub having a few too many beers and one of them saying "hey guys!
> Ive got an idea - wouldnt it be funny if we..."
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Viggio, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 04:17
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!
>
>
> Is it just me?!? ;)
>
> In our last release, I replaced all of the checkboxes with YES/NO
dropdowns
> ( and  tags using a Collection for the
> "YES"=true/"NO"=false mapping).
>
> The users seem to prefer this user interface (no one's complained at
least)
> and I can still tie these to a ActionForm boolean property thanks to
> aforementioned Collection (via  tag)! We have a complex,
> multi-part/layer wizard workflow using the nesting tablib extensively so
the
> code was begging for refactorings. This UI change allowed us to get rid of
> all of the kludgy code to support these retarded HTML checkboxes (cya
> ActionForm reset()).
>
> What were you thinking W3C spec gurus!
>
> Apologies if you momma worked on the HTML checkbox spec, but it's Friday
the
> 13th and I'm flying to a warm, tropical beach tomorrow!!!
>
> - Alex
>
> p.s. I'm sure that there is a more elegant solution -- feel free to
share...
>
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Andrew Hill]

Yeh yeh yeh. I make 6 figures a month mate...
7 if you count the decimal point...

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I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from home
for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.

;-)

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> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
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>

> Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with Unix
and
> Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
indispensable
> for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except web,
ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
everyone.


--
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Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
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RE: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!

[Andrew Hill]

+1

Im thinking of doing the same.
Checkboxes are evil.

Another bonus to using dropdowns instead is that if you really need the user
to think about whether that field should be true or false then you can add
an extra empty choice that doesnt pass validation. That way they will be
forced to set a value in that field whereas with a checkbox they can easily
forget to tick it and submit a false value by mistake...

My theory on what the w3c specs guys were thinking tends to involve them
down the pub having a few too many beers and one of them saying "hey guys!
Ive got an idea - wouldnt it be funny if we..."

-Original Message-
From: Viggio, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 14 June 2003 04:17
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: [OT] FRIDAY: HTML Checkboxes SUCK!!!


Is it just me?!? ;)

In our last release, I replaced all of the checkboxes with YES/NO dropdowns
( and  tags using a Collection for the
"YES"=true/"NO"=false mapping).

The users seem to prefer this user interface (no one's complained at least)
and I can still tie these to a ActionForm boolean property thanks to
aforementioned Collection (via  tag)! We have a complex,
multi-part/layer wizard workflow using the nesting tablib extensively so the
code was begging for refactorings. This UI change allowed us to get rid of
all of the kludgy code to support these retarded HTML checkboxes (cya
ActionForm reset()).

What were you thinking W3C spec gurus!

Apologies if you momma worked on the HTML checkbox spec, but it's Friday the
13th and I'm flying to a warm, tropical beach tomorrow!!!

- Alex

p.s. I'm sure that there is a more elegant solution -- feel free to share...

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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Chris Halverson]

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> At least a couple of years ago (the last time I had a need to use AIM) you
> could also setup an AIM-specific account (there is no charge), although the
> account name cannot conflict with an existing AOL screen name.

Correct:

http://my.screenname.aol.com/

cdh

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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[ian_d_stewart]

At least a couple of years ago (the last time I had a need to use AIM) you
could also setup an AIM-specific account (there is no charge), although the
account name cannot conflict with an existing AOL screen name.


HTH,
Ian

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It has to be an existing AOL account, I think.  Nothing worked for me until
I used my (ashamed to say) AOL userid and password. For IRC, any non-used
nick will suffice.  Then click the "online" checkbox in the account editor.

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I downloaded Gaim for windows, how do I create an account?


Mark Galbreath wrote:

>heh heh - we now have a struts group going on AIM if anyone cares to
>join.
>
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>
>So it's taken you 6 months to make figures of 6 out of the seven
>dwafts!
>
>Man, are they life size figures??
>
>
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>
>I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from
>home for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.
>
>;-)
>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with
>>Unix
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
>>
>>
>indispensable
>
>
>>for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
>No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here,
>that I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port
>except web, ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com
>from home, which uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that
>I was able to work from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago,
>it stopped working. Apparently they added both the web site and poll
>server to their blocked list (probably because of me) so now I guess
>I'm just screwed.  It's times like this when I hate this fu##king
>place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of everyone.
>
>
>--
>James Mitchell
>Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[José Moreira]

Here at work we use www.http-tunnel.com :D instaled in a NT4 inside the
firewall with port 80 access only

we're on linux boxes with GAIM ... contecting to that NT4

On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 16:28, James Mitchell wrote:
> No, IRC with Trillian is the same as IRC with GAIM and IRC any one of the
> many *nix clients.
> I (and others) just can't get around the firewall issue.
> 
> Oh well, I'm happy with AIM for now.  Since it's available on both windows
> and linux, I don't see why we don't just use that.
> 
> 
> --
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> http://www.struts-atlanta.org
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> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Vic Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> 
> 
> > On the IRC list... we are now testing if this:
> > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=235
> >
> > allows Linux, Windows, and firewall people all chat at same time.
> > Do you have time to test if it beats your firewall?
> > There is a "struts" group on gaim for windows.
> >
> >
> > .V
> >
> > James Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > >So what happened to using Yahoo or AIM chat?  Not everyone has the luxury
> of
> > >using irc from work.
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >James Mitchell
> > >Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
> > >http://www.struts-atlanta.org
> > >770-822-3359
> > >AIM:jmitchtx
> > >
> > >
> > >- Original Message - 
> > >From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:57 AM
> > >Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Well, what you expect when you are 12 hours out of synch with Europe and
> > >>American?
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:31 PM
> > >>To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Bah! Theres nobody there! ... boring...
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 04:39
> > >>To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > >>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>try:
> > >>irc.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users
> > >>
> > >>Brandon Goodin
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:54 PM
> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this
> > >>one did not work for me.)
> > >>
> > >>U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
> > >>http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Mark Galbreath wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a
> > >>>while with your fellow developers.
> > >>>
> > >>>Mark
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

cool!

-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:09 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


A free netscape account works also I found.

Mark Galbreath wrote:

>It has to be an existing AOL account, I think.  Nothing worked for me 
>until I used my (ashamed to say) AOL userid and password. For IRC, any 
>non-used nick will suffice.  Then click the "online" checkbox in the 
>account editor.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:20 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
>I downloaded Gaim for windows, how do I create an account?
>
>
>Mark Galbreath wrote:
>
>  
>
>>heh heh - we now have a struts group going on AIM if anyone cares to
>>join.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:15 AM
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>>
>>
>>So it's taken you 6 months to make figures of 6 out of the seven
>>dwafts!
>>
>>Man, are they life size figures??
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:58 PM
>>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>>
>>
>>I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from
>>home for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.
>>
>>;-)
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
>>>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with 
>>>Unix
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>and
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>indispensable
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here,
>>that I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port 
>>except web, ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com 
>>
>>
>>from home, which uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that
>  
>
>>I was able to work from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago,
>>it stopped working. Apparently they added both the web site and poll 
>>server to their blocked list (probably because of me) so now I guess 
>>I'm just screwed.  It's times like this when I hate this fu##king 
>>place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of everyone.
>>
>>
>>--
>>James Mitchell
>>Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org
>>770-822-3359 AIM:jmitchtx
>>
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Vic Cekvenich]

A free netscape account works also I found.

Mark Galbreath wrote:

It has to be an existing AOL account, I think.  Nothing worked for me until
I used my (ashamed to say) AOL userid and password. For IRC, any non-used
nick will suffice.  Then click the "online" checkbox in the account editor.
-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

I downloaded Gaim for windows, how do I create an account?

Mark Galbreath wrote:

 

heh heh - we now have a struts group going on AIM if anyone cares to 
join.

-Original Message-
From: Simon Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:15 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
So it's taken you 6 months to make figures of 6 out of the seven 
dwafts!

Man, are they life size figures??

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from 
home for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.

;-)

-Original Message-
From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


   

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
  

 



   

Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with
Unix
  

 

and

   

Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
  

 

indispensable

   

for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)

  

 

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, 
that I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port 
except web, ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com 
   

from home, which uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that 
 

I was able to work from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, 
it stopped working. Apparently they added both the web site and poll 
server to their blocked list (probably because of me) so now I guess 
I'm just screwed.  It's times like this when I hate this fu##king 
place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of everyone.

--
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Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org 
770-822-3359 AIM:jmitchtx

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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

Also, James Mitchell suggested changing the port from 5190 to 23.

-Original Message-
From: Chen, Gin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:25 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


There's an account button.
For some reason the proxy settings is wierd.
Even though I have a proxy the only way I could sign on was to not set up
the proxy. :-? -Tim

-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


I downloaded Gaim for windows, how do I create an account?


Mark Galbreath wrote:

>heh heh - we now have a struts group going on AIM if anyone cares to 
>join.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:15 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
>So it's taken you 6 months to make figures of 6 out of the seven 
>dwafts!
>
>Man, are they life size figures??
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:58 PM
>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
>I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from 
>home for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.
>
>;-)
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
>  
>
>>----- Original Message -
>>From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
>>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>>
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with
>>Unix
>>
>>
>and
>  
>
>>Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
>>
>>
>indispensable
>  
>
>>for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
>No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, 
>that I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port 
>except
web,
>ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, 
>which uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able 
>to work from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped 
>working. Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to 
>their blocked list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just 
>screwed.  It's times like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  
>Micro-manage the SH## out of everyone.
>
>
>--
>James Mitchell
>Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org 
>770-822-3359 AIM:jmitchtx
>
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

It has to be an existing AOL account, I think.  Nothing worked for me until
I used my (ashamed to say) AOL userid and password. For IRC, any non-used
nick will suffice.  Then click the "online" checkbox in the account editor.

-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


I downloaded Gaim for windows, how do I create an account?


Mark Galbreath wrote:

>heh heh - we now have a struts group going on AIM if anyone cares to 
>join.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:15 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
>So it's taken you 6 months to make figures of 6 out of the seven 
>dwafts!
>
>Man, are they life size figures??
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:58 PM
>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
>I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from 
>home for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.
>
>;-)
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
>  
>
>>----- Original Message -
>>From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
>>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>>
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with
>>Unix
>>
>>
>and
>  
>
>>Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
>>
>>
>indispensable
>  
>
>>for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
>No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, 
>that I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port 
>except web, ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com 
>from home, which uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that 
>I was able to work from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, 
>it stopped working. Apparently they added both the web site and poll 
>server to their blocked list (probably because of me) so now I guess 
>I'm just screwed.  It's times like this when I hate this fu##king 
>place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of everyone.
>
>
>--
>James Mitchell
>Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org 
>770-822-3359 AIM:jmitchtx
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Chen, Gin]

There's an account button.
For some reason the proxy settings is wierd.
Even though I have a proxy the only way I could sign on was to not set up
the proxy. :-?
-Tim

-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


I downloaded Gaim for windows, how do I create an account?


Mark Galbreath wrote:

>heh heh - we now have a struts group going on AIM if anyone cares to join.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Simon Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:15 AM
>To: Struts Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
>So it's taken you 6 months to make figures of 6 out of the seven dwafts!
>
>Man, are they life size figures??
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:58 PM
>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
>I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from home
>for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.
>
>;-)
>
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>From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
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>Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
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>>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
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>>Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with 
>>Unix
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>and
>  
>
>>Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
>>
>>
>indispensable
>  
>
>>for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
>No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
>I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except
web,
>ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
>uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
>from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
>Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
>list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
>like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
>everyone.
>
>
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>Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Vic Cekvenich]

I downloaded Gaim for windows, how do I create an account?

Mark Galbreath wrote:

heh heh - we now have a struts group going on AIM if anyone cares to join.

-Original Message-
From: Simon Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:15 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

So it's taken you 6 months to make figures of 6 out of the seven dwafts!

Man, are they life size figures??

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from home
for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.
;-)

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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
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- Original Message -
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To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
   

 

Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with 
Unix
   

and
 

Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
   

indispensable
 

for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)

   

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except web,
ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
everyone.
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

heh heh - we now have a struts group going on AIM if anyone cares to join.

-Original Message-
From: Simon Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:15 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


So it's taken you 6 months to make figures of 6 out of the seven dwafts!

Man, are they life size figures??


- Original Message -
From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from home
for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.

;-)

-Original Message-
From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
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Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
> Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>

> Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with 
> Unix
and
> Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
indispensable
> for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except web,
ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
everyone.


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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[David Graham]

They also block ssh, therefore I cannot access cvs.apache.org while at work
(unless I tunnel home first on a port-forwarded connection).  Talk about a
pain in my ass.
LOL, do you work for Microsoft?  You have some truly "special" people 
running your network.

David



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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here,
that
> >I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except
> >web,
> >ftp, and telnet.
>
> It demonstrates an extra special form of incompetence when 2 of 3 open
ports
> are completely insecure protocols.
>
> David
>
> >I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
> >uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to 
work
> >from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
> >Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their 
blocked
> >list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's
times
> >like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out
of
> >everyone.
> >
> >
> >--
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[ian_d_stewart]

They leave telnet open but block ssh?  Who do you work for?!

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They also block ssh, therefore I cannot access cvs.apache.org while at work
(unless I tunnel home first on a port-forwarded connection).  Talk about a
pain in my ass.


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- Original Message -
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> >No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here,
that
> >I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except
> >web,
> >ftp, and telnet.
>
> It demonstrates an extra special form of incompetence when 2 of 3 open
ports
> are completely insecure protocols.
>
> David
>
> >I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
> >uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
> >from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
> >Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
> >list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's
times
> >like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out
of
> >everyone.
> >
> >
> >--
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[James Mitchell]

They also block ssh, therefore I cannot access cvs.apache.org while at work
(unless I tunnel home first on a port-forwarded connection).  Talk about a
pain in my ass.


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:32 AM
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> >No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here,
that
> >I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except
> >web,
> >ftp, and telnet.
>
> It demonstrates an extra special form of incompetence when 2 of 3 open
ports
> are completely insecure protocols.
>
> David
>
> >I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
> >uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
> >from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
> >Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
> >list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's
times
> >like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out
of
> >everyone.
> >
> >
> >--
> >James Mitchell
> >Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[David Graham]

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except 
web,
ftp, and telnet.
It demonstrates an extra special form of incompetence when 2 of 3 open ports 
are completely insecure protocols.

David

I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
everyone.
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[James Mitchell]

sure, send the invite


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:26 AM
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> "James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I use GAIM when on Linux and regular AIM when on windoze.  Except for
sleep,
> > family and driving, I'm almost always online.
>
> Then you (and everybody else) should be able to join the "struts"
> group on AIM (w/ either gaim or "regular" AIM). There's 2 of us there
> now as it's in "test" mode :) It's just a regular AIM group.
>
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[James Mitchell]

No, IRC with Trillian is the same as IRC with GAIM and IRC any one of the
many *nix clients.
I (and others) just can't get around the firewall issue.

Oh well, I'm happy with AIM for now.  Since it's available on both windows
and linux, I don't see why we don't just use that.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Vic Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On the IRC list... we are now testing if this:
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=235
>
> allows Linux, Windows, and firewall people all chat at same time.
> Do you have time to test if it beats your firewall?
> There is a "struts" group on gaim for windows.
>
>
> .V
>
> James Mitchell wrote:
>
> >So what happened to using Yahoo or AIM chat?  Not everyone has the luxury
of
> >using irc from work.
> >
> >
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> >- Original Message - 
> >From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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> >Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:57 AM
> >Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Well, what you expect when you are 12 hours out of synch with Europe and
> >>American?
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:31 PM
> >>To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >>
> >>
> >>Bah! Theres nobody there! ... boring...
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 04:39
> >>To: Struts Users Mailing List
> >>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >>
> >>
> >>try:
> >>irc.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users
> >>
> >>Brandon Goodin
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:54 PM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >>
> >>
> >>Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this
> >>one did not work for me.)
> >>
> >>U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
> >>http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
> >>
> >>
> >>Mark Galbreath wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a
> >>>while with your fellow developers.
> >>>
> >>>Mark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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[Chris Halverson]

"James Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I use GAIM when on Linux and regular AIM when on windoze.  Except for sleep,
> family and driving, I'm almost always online.

Then you (and everybody else) should be able to join the "struts"
group on AIM (w/ either gaim or "regular" AIM). There's 2 of us there
now as it's in "test" mode :) It's just a regular AIM group.

cdh

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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[James Mitchell]

Well, I've taken a few steps that will (with any hope) put me in a similar
situation.  I mean, I'm half-way there (salary wise).  The real pain is the
2 hour daily commute.  That's 1 and 1/2 hours I'm away from my children
(compared to the way it was 2 jobs ago).


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From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from home
for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.

;-)

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From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
> Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>

> Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with Unix
and
> Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
indispensable
> for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except web,
ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
everyone.


--
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Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
http://www.struts-atlanta.org
770-822-3359
AIM:jmitchtx


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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[James Mitchell]

I use GAIM when on Linux and regular AIM when on windoze.  Except for sleep,
family and driving, I'm almost always online.



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- Original Message - 
From: "Vic Cekvenich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


> There should be something that allows corporate users and linux users to
> chat in a group at the same time.
> Yahoo can't, but did we try AOL on Linux?
> IRC only loses corporate users (but Friday late PM from home?)
> .V
>
> James Mitchell wrote:
>
> >>- Original Message - 
> >>From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
> >>Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with Unix
> >>
> >>
> >and
> >
> >
> >>Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
> >>
> >>
> >indispensable
> >
> >
> >>for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here,
that
> >I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except
web,
> >ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
> >uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
> >from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
> >Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
> >list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's
times
> >like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out
of
> >everyone.
> >
> >
> >--
> >James Mitchell
> >Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
> >http://www.struts-atlanta.org
> >770-822-3359
> >AIM:jmitchtx
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Vic Cekvenich,
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> 1-800-917-JAVA
>
> Advanced Struts Training and project recovery
in North East.
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Vic Cekvenich]

On the IRC list... we are now testing if this:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=235
allows Linux, Windows, and firewall people all chat at same time.
Do you have time to test if it beats your firewall?
There is a "struts" group on gaim for windows.
.V

James Mitchell wrote:

So what happened to using Yahoo or AIM chat?  Not everyone has the luxury of
using irc from work.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

 

Well, what you expect when you are 12 hours out of synch with Europe and
American?
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:31 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
Bah! Theres nobody there! ... boring...

-Original Message-
From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 04:39
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
try:
irc.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users
Brandon Goodin

-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this
one did not work for me.)
U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
Mark Galbreath wrote:

   

IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a
while with your fellow developers.
Mark

 

 

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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Simon Kelly]

So it's taken you 6 months to make figures of 6 out of the seven dwafts!

Man, are they life size figures??


- Original Message -
From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from home
for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.

;-)

-Original Message-
From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
> Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>

> Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with Unix
and
> Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
indispensable
> for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except web,
ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
everyone.


--
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Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
http://www.struts-atlanta.org
770-822-3359
AIM:jmitchtx


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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Vic Cekvenich]

There should be something that allows corporate users and linux users to 
chat in a group at the same time.
Yahoo can't, but did we try AOL on Linux?
IRC only loses corporate users (but Friday late PM from home?)
.V

James Mitchell wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

   

 

Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with Unix
   

and
 

Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
   

indispensable
 

for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)

   

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except web,
ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
everyone.
--
James Mitchell
Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
http://www.struts-atlanta.org
770-822-3359
AIM:jmitchtx
 

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Advanced Struts Training and project recovery in North 
East.
Open Source Content Management  basicPortal sofware
Best practiceStruts Support v.1.1 helper ScafflodingXPress

RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

I feel your pain, man!  I won't tell you that I've been working from home
for the past 6 months making 6 figures, then.

;-)

-Original Message-
From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:39 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
> Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>

> Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with Unix
and
> Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
indispensable
> for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except web,
ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
everyone.


--
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Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
http://www.struts-atlanta.org
770-822-3359
AIM:jmitchtx


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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[James Mitchell]

> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:34 AM
> Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>

> Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with Unix
and
> Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's
indispensable
> for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)
>

No can do.  I'm so far removed from the network operations group here, that
I don't even know who they are.  They block every available port except web,
ftp, and telnet.  I used to be able to use gotomypc.com from home, which
uses default port 80 and http to communicate, so that I was able to work
from home on occasion.  Suddenly about 3 weeks ago, it stopped working.
Apparently they added both the web site and poll server to their blocked
list (probably because of me) so now I guess I'm just screwed.  It's times
like this when I hate this fu##king place!!!  Micro-manage the SH## out of
everyone.


--
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Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
http://www.struts-atlanta.org
770-822-3359
AIM:jmitchtx


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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

Too bad for the hassle...there's a lively discussion going on now, though.

-Original Message-
From: Alen Ribic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:36 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


Things like IRC, kazaa, etc. are never available to me in the work env.
Sometimes I hack a bit and setup IRC on one of our remote servers. :)

so, to skip the trouble, Yahoo, AIM chat sounds good. :)

--Alen



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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


> So what happened to using Yahoo or AIM chat?  Not everyone has the 
> luxury
of
> using irc from work.
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Developer/Struts Evangelist http://www.struts-atlanta.org
> 770-822-3359
> AIM:jmitchtx
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:57 AM
> Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
> > Well, what you expect when you are 12 hours out of synch with Europe and
> > American?
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:31 PM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >
> >
> > Bah! Theres nobody there! ... boring...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 04:39
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >
> >
> > try:
> > irc.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users
> >
> > Brandon Goodin
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:54 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >
> >
> > Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this
> > one did not work for me.)
> >
> > U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
> > http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
> >
> >
> > Mark Galbreath wrote:
> >
> > >IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a
> > >while with your fellow developers.
> > >
> > >Mark
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Alen Ribic]

Things like IRC, kazaa, etc. are never available to me in the work env.
Sometimes I hack a bit and setup IRC on one of our remote servers. :)

so, to skip the trouble, Yahoo, AIM chat sounds good. :)

--Alen



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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


> So what happened to using Yahoo or AIM chat?  Not everyone has the luxury
of
> using irc from work.
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Developer/Struts Evangelist
> http://www.struts-atlanta.org
> 770-822-3359
> AIM:jmitchtx
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Galbreath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:57 AM
> Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
> > Well, what you expect when you are 12 hours out of synch with Europe and
> > American?
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:31 PM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >
> >
> > Bah! Theres nobody there! ... boring...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 04:39
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >
> >
> > try:
> > irc.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users
> >
> > Brandon Goodin
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:54 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
> >
> >
> > Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this
> > one did not work for me.)
> >
> > U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
> > http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
> >
> >
> > Mark Galbreath wrote:
> >
> > >IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a
> > >while with your fellow developers.
> > >
> > >Mark
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

Some people complained that Yahoo! and AIM were not compatible with Unix and
Linux.  Get special dispensation for port 6667 and claim it's indispensable
for your work.  We can even discuss LISP, if you want.  ;-)

-Original Message-
From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:28 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


So what happened to using Yahoo or AIM chat?  Not everyone has the luxury of
using irc from work.


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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


> Well, what you expect when you are 12 hours out of synch with Europe 
> and American?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:31 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
> Bah! Theres nobody there! ... boring...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brandon Goodin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 04:39
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
> try:
> irc.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users
>
> Brandon Goodin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users
>
>
> Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this 
> one did not work for me.)
>
> U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze: 
> http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
>
>
> Mark Galbreath wrote:
>
> >IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a 
> >while with your fellow developers.
> >
> >Mark
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[James Mitchell]

So what happened to using Yahoo or AIM chat?  Not everyone has the luxury of
using irc from work.


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> Well, what you expect when you are 12 hours out of synch with Europe and
> American?
>
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> Bah! Theres nobody there! ... boring...
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>
> U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
> http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
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RE: OT FRIDAY[13]: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

ooops...quite right: irc.darkmyst.org 6667

my bad

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You can't get the via the web, you have to use IRC.

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>well, how did you finally get there?
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>
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>http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

Well, what you expect when you are 12 hours out of synch with Europe and
American?

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Bah! Theres nobody there! ... boring...

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Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


try:
irc.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users

Brandon Goodin
 

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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:54 PM
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Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this 
one did not work for me.)

U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html


Mark Galbreath wrote:

>IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a 
>while with your fellow developers.
>
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Dan Tran]

They are active during the week ;-)

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>
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> Brandon Goodin
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> one did not work for me.)
>
> U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
> http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
>
>
> Mark Galbreath wrote:
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Andrew Hill]

Bah! Theres nobody there! ... boring...

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Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 04:39
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Subject: RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


try:
irc.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users

Brandon Goodin
 

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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:54 PM
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Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this 
one did not work for me.)

U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html


Mark Galbreath wrote:

>IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a while
>with your fellow developers.
>
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Re: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Vic Cekvenich]

You can't get the via the web, you have to use IRC.

Mark Galbreath wrote:

well, how did you finally get there?

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Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this 
one did not work for me.)

U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Mark Galbreath]

well, how did you finally get there?

-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this 
one did not work for me.)

U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html


Mark Galbreath wrote:

>IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a 
>while with your fellow developers.
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users

[Brandon Goodin]

try:
irc.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users

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-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT FRIDAY: Take a break with struts users


Did they come up with the "official" irc url for Struts/Friday? (this 
one did not work for me.)

U R in trouble. Say: "Ervis", and no booze:
http://www.icebox.com/icebox/shows/show_54/viewer_frameset_ep1.html


Mark Galbreath wrote:

>IRC your way to www.darkmyst.org 6667 #struts_users and relax for a while
>with your fellow developers.
>
>Mark
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Is it Friday yet? Monkeys are cool.

[Mark Galbreath]

BTW: the IRC channel moved to #struts_users on irc.darkmyst.org 6667.

Mark

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Craig has put a vice on [OT] and [FRIDAY] posts. Too many have been popping
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Is it Friday yet? Monkeys are cool.

[Brandon Goodin]

Craig has put a vice on [OT] and [FRIDAY] posts. Too many have been popping
up.

Brandon Goodin


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Re: OT FRIDAY: Is it Friday yet? Monkeys are cool.

[Daniel Jaffa]

What do you mean by, FRIDAY has been cancelled
"Andrew Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I thought friday had been cancelled?
>
> We really need a friday newsgroup/mailing list.
> Realtime chat groups, IRC arent much good for those of us in other
timezones
> who want to join the fun...
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>
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> Sent: Friday, 6 June 2003 10:19
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> Subject: OT FRIDAY: Is it Friday yet? Monkeys are cool.
>
>
> This even has a monkey. ( note to self:  get monkey to talk to formBean )
> " A monkey basket says ...  ". That's sweet. I smell you.
> We need what? Teamwork!
>
> http://www.campchaos.com/cartoons/ttoo/ttoo02.html
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RE: OT FRIDAY: Is it Friday yet? Monkeys are cool.

[Mark Galbreath]

This is hysterical!  Thanks for the laugh!

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:19 PM
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Subject: OT FRIDAY: Is it Friday yet? Monkeys are cool.


This even has a monkey. ( note to self:  get monkey to talk to formBean ) "
A monkey basket says ...  ". That's sweet. I smell you. We need what?
Teamwork!

http://www.campchaos.com/cartoons/ttoo/ttoo02.html


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RE: OT FRIDAY: Is it Friday yet? Monkeys are cool.

[Andrew Hill]

I thought friday had been cancelled?

We really need a friday newsgroup/mailing list.
Realtime chat groups, IRC arent much good for those of us in other timezones
who want to join the fun...


-Original Message-
From: Vic Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2003 10:19
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT FRIDAY: Is it Friday yet? Monkeys are cool.


This even has a monkey. ( note to self:  get monkey to talk to formBean )
" A monkey basket says ...  ". That's sweet. I smell you.
We need what? Teamwork!

http://www.campchaos.com/cartoons/ttoo/ttoo02.html


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RE: [OT] Friday!

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| -Original Message-
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| Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:52 AM
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| Subject: Re: [OT] Friday!
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| Mark Galbreath wrote:
| > So you're unemployed and need some guidance?  Turn up the volume and go
| to:
| >
| > http://www.oddtodd.com
| >
| > Cheers!
| > Mark
| 
| Flash?
| More usefull is a rich GUI data grid:
| 
| http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/exchange/main.jsp?product=flash
| 

I would rather use some iframes with dhtml than touch flash any day.

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Re: [OT] Friday!

[V. Cekvenich]

Mark Galbreath wrote:

So you're unemployed and need some guidance?  Turn up the volume and go to:

http://www.oddtodd.com

Cheers!
Mark


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RE: [OT] [FRIDAY] a javascript a day keeps the server away...

[Andrew Hill]

rofl. Does too. I note the trees dont seem to have any sounds in mozilla
either.
Works fine and fast in IE5 of course...

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> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [FRIDAY] a javascript a day keeps the server away...

> And for a practical example of just how useful javascript can
> be check out
> this oddity I found while looking for a tree widget to use for my
> navigation:
> http://dhtmlnirvana.com/landoftrees/

Wow, that brings Mozilla completely to its knees. Interesting.

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RE:[OT] [FRIDAY] a javascript a day keeps the server away...

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> Subject: [FRIDAY] a javascript a day keeps the server away... 

> And for a practical example of just how useful javascript can 
> be check out
> this oddity I found while looking for a tree widget to use for my
> navigation:
> http://dhtmlnirvana.com/landoftrees/

Wow, that brings Mozilla completely to its knees. Interesting.

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RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types

[Van Riper, Mike]

True credit goes to Carl Jung. He came up with the 4 dimensions and the two
poles for each dimension. Kiersey & Bates get the credit for marketing a
relatively simple test that people can take to get a reasonable
approximation of their personality type in this system.

Oops! I'm sorry, this is supposed to be a humorous [FRIDAY] thread. I'm
behind on my email and didn't see this until Tuesday. My bad. ;-)

- Van

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types
> 
> 
> They ripped off Kiersey & Bates and don't even seem to give 
> them credit!
> 
> See
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0960695400/qid=1
> 033749305/sr=8
> -2/ref=sr_8_2/002-7896442-4256040?v=glance&n=507846
> 
> However, this is a great assesment. I've used it with a 
> number of groups
> over the years. Most people find that the description of 
> their personality
> is very accurate. It certainly helped me understand myself a 
> lot better.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:27 AM
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> > Subject: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types
> >
> >
> > What types of brains do Struts users have?
> >
> > http://www.braintypes.com/news_from.htm#letters
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> > Mine's an ISTJ type
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RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types

[Joe Barefoot]

> > Seriously:  This type of categorization serves no purpose 
> > whatsoever except to erect divisions amongst humanity.  Do 
> 
> On the contrary, the goal is better communication between 
> people with different temperaments.

Try talking to these people.  That might help improve communication. ;)

> 
> This is not labeling like has been done with kids and things 
> like reading level. 

It most certainly IS labeling, although I agree it's ostensible intent is not to 
establish levels or good/bad types.

>There is no good or bad temperament, just 
> differences that affect behavior and communication.

True, but these differences cannot be quantified or categorized accurately in the 
manner that these tests imply.  Taking them for fun and comparison with friends is OK, 
but I see little value beyond that.

> 
> > not be fooled.  Also, if you want to understand yourself 
> > better, take a trip to the mountains and contemplate your 
> > life with respect to the cosmos--identifying with some group 
> > or category tells you ZERO about who you really are as a 
> > unique individual.
> > 
> 
> I'd challenge you to read "Please Understand Me" and see if 
> you might find *some* insight.

Again:  These tests are *not* anything new, and as I mentioned before, I've already 
taken these "brain-type" tests more than once (using the same system as on that site) 
and studied their findings.  b.t.w., most of these tests use another letter to 
indicate that the person fell exactly in the middle between the two types:  'Z', for 
instance.  My results both previous times were 'ZTZZ', which tells me, amazingly, that 
I'm a thinker, but little else.

Anywho, the whole thing is harmless enough so long as it's used soley by the person 
actually taking the test, or for comparison with friends or something.  I just have 
nightmarish Orwellian visions of people being assigned job categorises based on their 
brain types. :(

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RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types

[Galbreath, Mark]

I just took that test...what's *%@#%@! Tourette's syndrome?

Mark

> -Original Message-
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> 
> Seriously:  This type of categorization serves no purpose 
> whatsoever except to erect divisions amongst humanity.  Do 

On the contrary, the goal is better communication between people with
different temperaments.

This is not labeling like has been done with kids and things like reading
level. There is no good or bad temperament, just differences that affect
behavior and communication.

> not be fooled.  Also, if you want to understand yourself 
> better, take a trip to the mountains and contemplate your 
> life with respect to the cosmos--identifying with some group 
> or category tells you ZERO about who you really are as a 
> unique individual.
> 

I'd challenge you to read "Please Understand Me" and see if you might find
*some* insight.

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RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types

[Peter S. Hamlen]

Clearly you're a IAP type 

Investigative, Anti-Plagiarist!!!

:)
-Peter

On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 12:38, Brad Rhoads wrote:
> They ripped off Kiersey & Bates and don't even seem to give them credit!
> 
> See
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0960695400/qid=1033749305/sr=8
> -2/ref=sr_8_2/002-7896442-4256040?v=glance&n=507846
> 
> However, this is a great assesment. I've used it with a number of groups
> over the years. Most people find that the description of their personality
> is very accurate. It certainly helped me understand myself a lot better.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dan Cancro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:27 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types
> >
> >
> > What types of brains do Struts users have?
> >
> > http://www.braintypes.com/news_from.htm#letters
> >
> > Mine's an ISTJ type
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RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types

[Brad Rhoads]

> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Barefoot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:52 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types
> 
> Seriously:  This type of categorization serves no purpose 
> whatsoever except to erect divisions amongst humanity.  Do 

On the contrary, the goal is better communication between people with
different temperaments.

This is not labeling like has been done with kids and things like reading
level. There is no good or bad temperament, just differences that affect
behavior and communication.

> not be fooled.  Also, if you want to understand yourself 
> better, take a trip to the mountains and contemplate your 
> life with respect to the cosmos--identifying with some group 
> or category tells you ZERO about who you really are as a 
> unique individual.
> 

I'd challenge you to read "Please Understand Me" and see if you might find
*some* insight.

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RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types

[Joe Barefoot]

hurumph.  This shit's been around for years.  I remember taking personality tests like 
these when I was a child.  Once again, the realm of social science has triumphed in 
making the patently obvious seem complex and derived.  Different people's brains work 
differently at a fundamental level?  Boy howdy, I never would have figured that one 
out without a research insitutition to tell me!

"
BTI intends only for the positive application of this information and desires readers 
to grasp its essence-that each person possesses an inborn design, one of 16 individual 
Brain Types, which predisposes him or her to specific mental and physical traits.
"

1 of 16?!  Gee whiz, glad that some group of Ph.D's were able to funnel all of 
humanity into 16 distinct subgroups.  Ah screw it, let's bring back phrenology and 
eugenics while we're at it, and see how many people we can shove into little 
categories.

Seriously:  This type of categorization serves no purpose whatsoever except to erect 
divisions amongst humanity.  Do not be fooled.  Also, if you want to understand 
yourself better, take a trip to the mountains and contemplate your life with respect 
to the cosmos--identifying with some group or category tells you ZERO about who you 
really are as a unique individual.


fed up with BS,
Joe Barefoot


> -Original Message-
> From: Galbreath, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:44 AM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types
> 
> 
> Yep, that's the old Kiersey Temperament Sorter.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Rhoads [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:38 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types
> 
> 
> They ripped off Kiersey & Bates and don't even seem to give 
> them credit!
> 
> See
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0960695400/qid=1
> 033749305/sr=8
> -2/ref=sr_8_2/002-7896442-4256040?v=glance&n=507846
> 
> However, this is a great assesment. I've used it with a 
> number of groups
> over the years. Most people find that the description of 
> their personality
> is very accurate. It certainly helped me understand myself a 
> lot better.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dan Cancro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:27 AM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types
> >
> >
> > What types of brains do Struts users have?
> >
> > http://www.braintypes.com/news_from.htm#letters
> >
> > Mine's an ISTJ type
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RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types

[Galbreath, Mark]

Yep, that's the old Kiersey Temperament Sorter.

-Original Message-
From: Brad Rhoads [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:38 PM
To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types


They ripped off Kiersey & Bates and don't even seem to give them credit!

See
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0960695400/qid=1033749305/sr=8
-2/ref=sr_8_2/002-7896442-4256040?v=glance&n=507846

However, this is a great assesment. I've used it with a number of groups
over the years. Most people find that the description of their personality
is very accurate. It certainly helped me understand myself a lot better.


> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Cancro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:27 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types
>
>
> What types of brains do Struts users have?
>
> http://www.braintypes.com/news_from.htm#letters
>
> Mine's an ISTJ type
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RE: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types

[Brad Rhoads]

They ripped off Kiersey & Bates and don't even seem to give them credit!

See
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0960695400/qid=1033749305/sr=8
-2/ref=sr_8_2/002-7896442-4256040?v=glance&n=507846

However, this is a great assesment. I've used it with a number of groups
over the years. Most people find that the description of their personality
is very accurate. It certainly helped me understand myself a lot better.


> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Cancro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:27 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: [OT][FRIDAY] brain types
>
>
> What types of brains do Struts users have?
>
> http://www.braintypes.com/news_from.htm#letters
>
> Mine's an ISTJ type
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