Re: Building struts UIs
Jean, Thanks for the info. I'll take a look! Will To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean-Noel Ribettecc: (bcc: Will Spies/Towers Perrin) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Building struts UIs mprove.fr> 08/02/01 02:21 PM Please respond to struts-user You might want to have a look at struts-layout (http://struts.application-servers.com) , a library my company is using for its struts development. It helps to build UIs very rapidly, especially UIs with forms and list of items. You still need to write JSPs but you don't need to write HTML code. Jean-Noel At 14:00 02/08/2001, you wrote: >I have a generic question. We use struts. Struts *really* doesn't help much >with rapidly building UIs. I'm sure everyone here realizes this. I do not >want to abandon struts, I've have had great experience with it but I also >would like a way to build a mechanism to rapidly automatic the building of >HTML forms. A brute force way would be to build my own meta-XML data and >combine that with XSLT to generate HTML pages dynamically. But, before I go >off an build anything I wanted to ask around first to see if anyone was >doing the same thing, new of any open source tools, 3rd party tools, etc... > >Any info is appreciated and thanks in advance for any help, > >Will
RE: Building struts UIs
Kurt, Thanks for the info. I'll look ito DbForm. Will To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kurt.mccaw@cecc: (bcc: Will Spies/Towers Perrin) ndec.com Subject: RE: Building struts UIs 08/02/01 09:19 AM Please respond to struts-user Will: Joachim Peer has an interesting project on the go called DbForm (www.dbform.org) that is 'based' on Stuts. You basically give it an XML file with table/field and some information regarding the field (size, data type, etc) and it will generate the JSP forms for you. It has the searching and sorting build into the generated application. I have only given this a cursory look as the main emphasis for this for this project was to use RDBMS Tables directly. My current project is using EJB's exclusively. There are suppose to be hooks to make DbForm use EJB's, but I have not looked closely enough at it. The other item is the project is based on Struts, but it does not use Struts directly. Integration with Struts is in Mr. Peer's 'To Do' List. I have had the same idea, that the generation of the GUI i.e. JSP could be automated (done when something in the XML metadata had changed), but I have not come across anything. So I too am looking at generating the GUI 'auto-magically' for a current project that I am working on. Regards, Kurt > -Original Message- > From: Will Spies/Towers Perrin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Building struts UIs > > > > > I have a generic question. We use struts. Struts *really* > doesn't help much > with rapidly building UIs. I'm sure everyone here realizes > this. I do not > want to abandon struts, I've have had great experience with > it but I also > would like a way to build a mechanism to rapidly automatic > the building of > HTML forms. A brute force way would be to build my own > meta-XML data and > combine that with XSLT to generate HTML pages dynamically. > But, before I go > off an build anything I wanted to ask around first to see if > anyone was > doing the same thing, new of any open source tools, 3rd party > tools, etc... > > Any info is appreciated and thanks in advance for any help, > > Will > > >
Re: Building struts UIs
I asked a similar question on the velocity mailing list and they said look at texen ( http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/texen.html ). My first reaction is similar to yours. Texen seems more about generating pages statically not dynamically but I really don't know much about it at all yet. I found the start of that thread ( http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg02629.html ) and I'll read it. Thanks To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ted Husted cc: (bcc: Will Spies/Towers Perrin) 08/02/01 08:39 AM Please respond to struts-user There's been an initial discussion of a related topic on DEV. Look for "Struts Code Generators" at mail-archive.com. One question here is whether we should hookup with Torque, which is reducing it's dependancies on Turbine. Though this is more about generating pages and classes, rather than producing them dynamically. So far, the focus has been using JSPs for the presentation layer. The thing to watch for on a dynamic page, would be the links to the ActionMappings and what not. But given what's been done with hooking up Velocity to Struts, other presentation devices should be possible too. Will Spies/Towers Perrin wrote: > > I have a generic question. We use struts. Struts *really* doesn't help much > with rapidly building UIs. I'm sure everyone here realizes this. I do not > want to abandon struts, I've have had great experience with it but I also > would like a way to build a mechanism to rapidly automatic the building of > HTML forms. A brute force way would be to build my own meta-XML data and > combine that with XSLT to generate HTML pages dynamically. But, before I go > off an build anything I wanted to ask around first to see if anyone was > doing the same thing, new of any open source tools, 3rd party tools, etc... > > Any info is appreciated and thanks in advance for any help, > > Will
Re: Building struts UIs
You might want to have a look at struts-layout (http://struts.application-servers.com) , a library my company is using for its struts development. It helps to build UIs very rapidly, especially UIs with forms and list of items. You still need to write JSPs but you don't need to write HTML code. Jean-Noel At 14:00 02/08/2001, you wrote: >I have a generic question. We use struts. Struts *really* doesn't help much >with rapidly building UIs. I'm sure everyone here realizes this. I do not >want to abandon struts, I've have had great experience with it but I also >would like a way to build a mechanism to rapidly automatic the building of >HTML forms. A brute force way would be to build my own meta-XML data and >combine that with XSLT to generate HTML pages dynamically. But, before I go >off an build anything I wanted to ask around first to see if anyone was >doing the same thing, new of any open source tools, 3rd party tools, etc... > >Any info is appreciated and thanks in advance for any help, > >Will
RE: Building struts UIs
Will: Joachim Peer has an interesting project on the go called DbForm (www.dbform.org) that is 'based' on Stuts. You basically give it an XML file with table/field and some information regarding the field (size, data type, etc) and it will generate the JSP forms for you. It has the searching and sorting build into the generated application. I have only given this a cursory look as the main emphasis for this for this project was to use RDBMS Tables directly. My current project is using EJB's exclusively. There are suppose to be hooks to make DbForm use EJB's, but I have not looked closely enough at it. The other item is the project is based on Struts, but it does not use Struts directly. Integration with Struts is in Mr. Peer's 'To Do' List. I have had the same idea, that the generation of the GUI i.e. JSP could be automated (done when something in the XML metadata had changed), but I have not come across anything. So I too am looking at generating the GUI 'auto-magically' for a current project that I am working on. Regards, Kurt > -Original Message- > From: Will Spies/Towers Perrin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 6:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Building struts UIs > > > > > I have a generic question. We use struts. Struts *really* > doesn't help much > with rapidly building UIs. I'm sure everyone here realizes > this. I do not > want to abandon struts, I've have had great experience with > it but I also > would like a way to build a mechanism to rapidly automatic > the building of > HTML forms. A brute force way would be to build my own > meta-XML data and > combine that with XSLT to generate HTML pages dynamically. > But, before I go > off an build anything I wanted to ask around first to see if > anyone was > doing the same thing, new of any open source tools, 3rd party > tools, etc... > > Any info is appreciated and thanks in advance for any help, > > Will > > >
Re: Building struts UIs
There's been an initial discussion of a related topic on DEV. Look for "Struts Code Generators" at mail-archive.com. One question here is whether we should hookup with Torque, which is reducing it's dependancies on Turbine. Though this is more about generating pages and classes, rather than producing them dynamically. So far, the focus has been using JSPs for the presentation layer. The thing to watch for on a dynamic page, would be the links to the ActionMappings and what not. But given what's been done with hooking up Velocity to Struts, other presentation devices should be possible too. Will Spies/Towers Perrin wrote: > > I have a generic question. We use struts. Struts *really* doesn't help much > with rapidly building UIs. I'm sure everyone here realizes this. I do not > want to abandon struts, I've have had great experience with it but I also > would like a way to build a mechanism to rapidly automatic the building of > HTML forms. A brute force way would be to build my own meta-XML data and > combine that with XSLT to generate HTML pages dynamically. But, before I go > off an build anything I wanted to ask around first to see if anyone was > doing the same thing, new of any open source tools, 3rd party tools, etc... > > Any info is appreciated and thanks in advance for any help, > > Will
