Re: Struts / JSF

[Ted Husted]

Alen Ribic wrote:
> Do you see future in JSF over frameworks such as Struts?
> How different are the two in reality?
For a high-level summary, see

http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/faqs/kickstart.html#jsf

and be sure to follow the StrutsMoreAboutJSF link at the end.

The FAQ link is also available on the Struts home page now, under "JSTL 
and JSF".

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Re: Struts / JSF

[Alen Ribic]

thanks James for your reply.
I have visited your resource, links, for JSF on your site. (Very helpful,
thx)
I'll search through the dev mail list archive for the post you mentioned.

--Alen



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> There's been a fair amount of discussion of this lately on the Struts
> dev thread. I believe the thread was called "Struts What's Next" or
> something similar.  If you're not subscribed to the dev list you can
> view the messages with one of the archives:
>
> http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SummarizeList?listId=41
>
> Also I have put together a Java Server Faces page that has some links to
> some JSF/Struts information:
>
> http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/
>
> -James
> Struts Console
> http://www.jamesholmes.com/struts/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alen Ribic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:26 AM
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> Subject: Struts / JSF
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> Hi all
>
> Do you see future in JSF over frameworks such as Struts?
> How different are the two in reality?
>
> --Alen
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RE: Struts / JSF

[James Holmes]

There's been a fair amount of discussion of this lately on the Struts
dev thread. I believe the thread was called "Struts What's Next" or
something similar.  If you're not subscribed to the dev list you can
view the messages with one of the archives:

http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SummarizeList?listId=41

Also I have put together a Java Server Faces page that has some links to
some JSF/Struts information:

http://www.jamesholmes.com/JavaServerFaces/

-James
Struts Console
http://www.jamesholmes.com/struts/

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From: Alen Ribic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:26 AM
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Subject: Struts / JSF

Hi all

Do you see future in JSF over frameworks such as Struts?
How different are the two in reality?

--Alen


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Re: Struts / JSF

[Alen Ribic]

thanks Robert
I will look through the mailing list archive.
--Alen

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Subject: RE: Struts / JSF


> Alen, this topic has been discussed quite a bit on the list.
> The short answer is that they are complementary frameworks.
> You can probably find what your looking for by searching
> the archives.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/
> 
> robert
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alen Ribic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Subject: Struts / JSF
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Do you see future in JSF over frameworks such as Struts?
> > How different are the two in reality?
> > 
> > --Alen
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RE: Struts / JSF

[Robert Taylor]

Alen, this topic has been discussed quite a bit on the list.
The short answer is that they are complementary frameworks.
You can probably find what your looking for by searching
the archives.
http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/

robert

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> 
> Hi all
> 
> Do you see future in JSF over frameworks such as Struts?
> How different are the two in reality?
> 
> --Alen
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Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap

[John Jones]

Where can I get a copy of these slides?

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:24 PM
Subject: RE: Struts <--> JSF roadmap


>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:09 PM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Eddie Bush wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:59:57 -0500
> > > From: Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> > >
> > > That's a good read :-)  Thanks for the open-office edition ;-)
> > >
> >
> > StarOffice is the only office productivity software that I (and most
> > people at Sun) use, so the .sdd was actually the original
> > version -- the
> > .ppt is just StarOffice's "save as" export.  Hope it works
> > right ... all I
> > know is StarOffice was able to re-import it successfully through its
> > PowerPoint input filter.
>
> The only oddities in the PPT version are the bullets themselves. The 1st
> level bullets come out as red dots with "10" in them, and the 2nd level
ones
> come out as, well, I'm not sure exactly, but it kinda looks like a
> decorative Arabic character in red... ;-) It's very pretty, though!
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
> >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Eddie
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Date: 06 Sep 2002 13:02:45 -0600
> > > >>From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks Craig, I'm really looking forward to this... I believe that
> > > >>you're the one and only person who can paint a consistent roadmap
> > > >>including both JSF and Struts. This is independent of how deeply
> > > >>intertwined (if at all) the two frameworks are destined to become.
> > > >>
> > > >>Are the "things you described at the JavaOne BOF in March" online
> > > >>anywhere?
> > > >>
> > > >Slides from the BOF in PowerPoint or StarOffice formats:
> > > >  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.ppt
> > > >  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.sdd
> > > >
> > > >>Thanks,
> > > >>Bryan
> > > >>
> > > >Craig
> > > >
> > > >>On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:45, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>I will have time to expand on this at length over the
> > weekend ... but the
> > > >>things I described in my JavaOne BOF on Struts 1.1
> > last March look like
> > > >>they're going to come true (which is good news for
> > Struts folks).
> > > >>
> > > >>Craig
> > > >>
> > > >>On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Date: 06 Sep 2002 12:33:37 -0600
> > > >>> From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> To: Struts-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>> Subject: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I was wondering if there are others out there who
> > have read the
> > > >>> (preliminary) JSF (Java Server Faces) drafts,
> > tutorials, etc., with
> > > >>> opinions on how they relate to Struts?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> With Craig the spec lead on JSF, and Craig also
> > being a primary mover
> > > >>> (as well as original inventor) of Struts, I am
> > hoping he will come
> > > >>> forward with some real opinions on the matter, such
> > as, where are the
> > > >>> areas of overlap between the two? I believe there
> > may be overlap in
> > > >>> validation area, as well as in the general
> > "controller framework"
> > > >>> mechanism, though I'm not sure yet.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Might there be anything like a "long-term roadmap"
> > for Struts with some
> > > >>> mention of JSF, and best practices for using the
> > two together?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Opinions appreciated,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Bryan
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
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RE: Struts <--> JSF roadmap

[Martin Cooper]

> -Original Message-
> From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Eddie Bush wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:59:57 -0500
> > From: Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> >
> > That's a good read :-)  Thanks for the open-office edition ;-)
> >
> 
> StarOffice is the only office productivity software that I (and most
> people at Sun) use, so the .sdd was actually the original 
> version -- the
> .ppt is just StarOffice's "save as" export.  Hope it works 
> right ... all I
> know is StarOffice was able to re-import it successfully through its
> PowerPoint input filter.

The only oddities in the PPT version are the bullets themselves. The 1st
level bullets come out as red dots with "10" in them, and the 2nd level ones
come out as, well, I'm not sure exactly, but it kinda looks like a
decorative Arabic character in red... ;-) It's very pretty, though!

--
Martin Cooper


> 
> > Regards,
> >
> > Eddie
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> >
> > Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> >
> > >On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
> > >
> > >>Date: 06 Sep 2002 13:02:45 -0600
> > >>From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> > >>
> > >>Thanks Craig, I'm really looking forward to this... I believe that
> > >>you're the one and only person who can paint a consistent roadmap
> > >>including both JSF and Struts. This is independent of how deeply
> > >>intertwined (if at all) the two frameworks are destined to become.
> > >>
> > >>Are the "things you described at the JavaOne BOF in March" online
> > >>anywhere?
> > >>
> > >Slides from the BOF in PowerPoint or StarOffice formats:
> > >  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.ppt
> > >  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.sdd
> > >
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>Bryan
> > >>
> > >Craig
> > >
> > >>On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:45, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> > >>
> > >>I will have time to expand on this at length over the 
> weekend ... but the
> > >>things I described in my JavaOne BOF on Struts 1.1 
> last March look like
> > >>they're going to come true (which is good news for 
> Struts folks).
> > >>
> > >>Craig
> > >>
> > >>On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Date: 06 Sep 2002 12:33:37 -0600
> > >>> From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>> To: Struts-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>> Subject: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> > >>>
> > >>> I was wondering if there are others out there who 
> have read the
> > >>> (preliminary) JSF (Java Server Faces) drafts, 
> tutorials, etc., with
> > >>> opinions on how they relate to Struts?
> > >>>
> > >>> With Craig the spec lead on JSF, and Craig also 
> being a primary mover
> > >>> (as well as original inventor) of Struts, I am 
> hoping he will come
> > >>> forward with some real opinions on the matter, such 
> as, where are the
> > >>> areas of overlap between the two? I believe there 
> may be overlap in
> > >>> validation area, as well as in the general 
> "controller framework"
> > >>> mechanism, though I'm not sure yet.
> > >>>
> > >>> Might there be anything like a "long-term roadmap" 
> for Struts with some
> > >>> mention of JSF, and best practices for using the 
> two together?
> > >>>
> > >>> Opinions appreciated,
> > >>>
> > >>> Bryan
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap

[Craig R. McClanahan]

On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Eddie Bush wrote:

> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:59:57 -0500
> From: Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
>
> That's a good read :-)  Thanks for the open-office edition ;-)
>

StarOffice is the only office productivity software that I (and most
people at Sun) use, so the .sdd was actually the original version -- the
.ppt is just StarOffice's "save as" export.  Hope it works right ... all I
know is StarOffice was able to re-import it successfully through its
PowerPoint input filter.

> Regards,
>
> Eddie

Craig


>
> Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>
> >On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
> >
> >>Date: 06 Sep 2002 13:02:45 -0600
> >>From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> >>
> >>Thanks Craig, I'm really looking forward to this... I believe that
> >>you're the one and only person who can paint a consistent roadmap
> >>including both JSF and Struts. This is independent of how deeply
> >>intertwined (if at all) the two frameworks are destined to become.
> >>
> >>Are the "things you described at the JavaOne BOF in March" online
> >>anywhere?
> >>
> >Slides from the BOF in PowerPoint or StarOffice formats:
> >  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.ppt
> >  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.sdd
> >
> >>Thanks,
> >>Bryan
> >>
> >Craig
> >
> >>On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:45, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> >>
> >>I will have time to expand on this at length over the weekend ... but the
> >>things I described in my JavaOne BOF on Struts 1.1 last March look like
> >>they're going to come true (which is good news for Struts folks).
> >>
> >>Craig
> >>
> >>On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
> >>
> >>> Date: 06 Sep 2002 12:33:37 -0600
> >>> From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: Struts-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Subject: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering if there are others out there who have read the
> >>> (preliminary) JSF (Java Server Faces) drafts, tutorials, etc., with
> >>> opinions on how they relate to Struts?
> >>>
> >>> With Craig the spec lead on JSF, and Craig also being a primary mover
> >>> (as well as original inventor) of Struts, I am hoping he will come
> >>> forward with some real opinions on the matter, such as, where are the
> >>> areas of overlap between the two? I believe there may be overlap in
> >>> validation area, as well as in the general "controller framework"
> >>> mechanism, though I'm not sure yet.
> >>>
> >>> Might there be anything like a "long-term roadmap" for Struts with some
> >>> mention of JSF, and best practices for using the two together?
> >>>
> >>> Opinions appreciated,
> >>>
> >>> Bryan
> >>
>
>
>
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Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap

[Eddie Bush]

That's a good read :-)  Thanks for the open-office edition ;-)

Regards,

Eddie

Craig R. McClanahan wrote:

>On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
>
>>Date: 06 Sep 2002 13:02:45 -0600
>>From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
>>
>>Thanks Craig, I'm really looking forward to this... I believe that
>>you're the one and only person who can paint a consistent roadmap
>>including both JSF and Struts. This is independent of how deeply
>>intertwined (if at all) the two frameworks are destined to become.
>>
>>Are the "things you described at the JavaOne BOF in March" online
>>anywhere?
>>
>Slides from the BOF in PowerPoint or StarOffice formats:
>  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.ppt
>  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.sdd
>
>>Thanks,
>>Bryan
>>
>Craig
>
>>On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:45, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>>
>>I will have time to expand on this at length over the weekend ... but the
>>things I described in my JavaOne BOF on Struts 1.1 last March look like
>>they're going to come true (which is good news for Struts folks).
>>
>>Craig
>>
>>On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
>>
>>> Date: 06 Sep 2002 12:33:37 -0600
>>> From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: Struts-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
>>>
>>> I was wondering if there are others out there who have read the
>>> (preliminary) JSF (Java Server Faces) drafts, tutorials, etc., with
>>> opinions on how they relate to Struts?
>>>
>>> With Craig the spec lead on JSF, and Craig also being a primary mover
>>> (as well as original inventor) of Struts, I am hoping he will come
>>> forward with some real opinions on the matter, such as, where are the
>>> areas of overlap between the two? I believe there may be overlap in
>>> validation area, as well as in the general "controller framework"
>>> mechanism, though I'm not sure yet.
>>>
>>> Might there be anything like a "long-term roadmap" for Struts with some
>>> mention of JSF, and best practices for using the two together?
>>>
>>> Opinions appreciated,
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>



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Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap

[Craig R. McClanahan]

On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:

> Date: 06 Sep 2002 13:02:45 -0600
> From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
>
> Thanks Craig, I'm really looking forward to this... I believe that
> you're the one and only person who can paint a consistent roadmap
> including both JSF and Struts. This is independent of how deeply
> intertwined (if at all) the two frameworks are destined to become.
>
> Are the "things you described at the JavaOne BOF in March" online
> anywhere?
>

Slides from the BOF in PowerPoint or StarOffice formats:
  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.ppt
  http://jakarta.apache.org/~craigmcc/StrutsBof.sdd

> Thanks,
> Bryan
>

Craig

>
>
> On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:45, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>
> I will have time to expand on this at length over the weekend ... but the
> things I described in my JavaOne BOF on Struts 1.1 last March look like
> they're going to come true (which is good news for Struts folks).
>
> Craig
>
> On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
>
> > Date: 06 Sep 2002 12:33:37 -0600
> > From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Struts-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
> >
> > I was wondering if there are others out there who have read the
> > (preliminary) JSF (Java Server Faces) drafts, tutorials, etc., with
> > opinions on how they relate to Struts?
> >
> > With Craig the spec lead on JSF, and Craig also being a primary mover
> > (as well as original inventor) of Struts, I am hoping he will come
> > forward with some real opinions on the matter, such as, where are the
> > areas of overlap between the two? I believe there may be overlap in
> > validation area, as well as in the general "controller framework"
> > mechanism, though I'm not sure yet.
> >
> > Might there be anything like a "long-term roadmap" for Struts with some
> > mention of JSF, and best practices for using the two together?
> >
> > Opinions appreciated,
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap

[David Geary]

Craig R. McClanahan wrote:

>I will have time to expand on this at length over the weekend ... but the
>things I described in my JavaOne BOF on Struts 1.1 last March look like
>they're going to come true (which is good news for Struts folks).
>
In the meantime, here's a short summary of JSF:

Faces is essentially Struts with a Component UI model. Components are 
server-side Java objects that implement client-side controls such as 
HTML textfields, buttons, forms, etc. Components are sort of like Swing 
components that speak HTTP and are fitted with an HTML (or WAP, or 
whatever else you want) look and feel. Faces compenents can be fitted 
with renderers, event handlers, and validators. Faces comes with a 
standard set of HTML components and a corresonding JSP tag library (like 
Struts html tags) that let you use those components. Faces also manages 
the lifecycle of your web application with a controller servlet, very 
similar to Struts.

You can associate renders and event-handlers to server-side components. 
That means you can write your own custom components for the markup 
language of your choice. For example, you could implement a component 
that renders a calendar in HTML or a component that renders a simple WAP 
form. You can also associate validators with a component. Validators 
validate a component's input.

Another way to think of Faces is this: Take the Struts html tags and 
rewrite them so that instead of producing html directly, the tags 
delegate to a component that produces HTML. And you can plug your own 
custom components into those tags for a different markup language 
(although you'll want to change the html prefix to something else, like 
faces). Finally, you can create a new tag and a corresponding component 
to implement something wild like a WAP calendar.

Faces overlaps to a great extent with Struts, although for the EA 
release, it implements that overlapping functionality much more 
inelegantly than Struts. For example:

1. If you want a form bean, you've got to create it yourself with 
 in a JSP page. [gasp!]

2. You must manually specify the component field that a control stores 
its value in, instead of letting the framework take care of it with 
reflection. Ugh.

3. You specify validators, not in a config file, but for each control in 
a JSP page.

4. There are no actions: you handle all of your application's controller 
code in one method (processEvent) in a Java class called the Application 
Handler. Unless this changes in subsequent releases, your controller 
logic with Faces will be much more difficult to maintain than it is with 
Struts.

5. The tag names are quite verbose compared to Struts html tags.

For example, here's how you might declare a form that contains a 
textfield with Faces:

<%-- Create the form bean --%>






Name:

<%-- Create an HTML input element, 
specifying the associated model property and two validators -->







Password:









Unless you can somehow plug Face's component model into Struts, I don't 
see much of an integration strategy. We'll have to let Craig enlighten 
us on that.


david

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>Craig
>
>On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:
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>>Date: 06 Sep 2002 12:33:37 -0600
>>From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: Struts-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
>>
>>I was wondering if there are others out there who have read the
>>(preliminary) JSF (Java Server Faces) drafts, tutorials, etc., with
>>opinions on how they relate to Struts?
>>
>>With Craig the spec lead on JSF, and Craig also being a primary mover
>>(as well as original inventor) of Struts, I am hoping he will come
>>forward with some real opinions on the matter, such as, where are the
>>areas of overlap between the two? I believe there may be overlap in
>>validation area, as well as in the general "controller framework"
>>mechanism, though I'm not sure yet.
>>
>>Might there be anything like a "long-term roadmap" for Struts with some
>>mention of JSF, and best practices for using the two together?
>>
>>Opinions appreciated,
>>
>>Bryan
>>
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Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap

[Bryan Field-Elliot]

Thanks Craig, I'm really looking forward to this... I believe that
you're the one and only person who can paint a consistent roadmap
including both JSF and Struts. This is independent of how deeply
intertwined (if at all) the two frameworks are destined to become.

Are the "things you described at the JavaOne BOF in March" online
anywhere?

Thanks,
Bryan



On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:45, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:

I will have time to expand on this at length over the weekend ... but the
things I described in my JavaOne BOF on Struts 1.1 last March look like
they're going to come true (which is good news for Struts folks).

Craig

On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:

> Date: 06 Sep 2002 12:33:37 -0600
> From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
>
> I was wondering if there are others out there who have read the
> (preliminary) JSF (Java Server Faces) drafts, tutorials, etc., with
> opinions on how they relate to Struts?
>
> With Craig the spec lead on JSF, and Craig also being a primary mover
> (as well as original inventor) of Struts, I am hoping he will come
> forward with some real opinions on the matter, such as, where are the
> areas of overlap between the two? I believe there may be overlap in
> validation area, as well as in the general "controller framework"
> mechanism, though I'm not sure yet.
>
> Might there be anything like a "long-term roadmap" for Struts with some
> mention of JSF, and best practices for using the two together?
>
> Opinions appreciated,
>
> Bryan
>
>


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Re: Struts <--> JSF roadmap

[Craig R. McClanahan]

I will have time to expand on this at length over the weekend ... but the
things I described in my JavaOne BOF on Struts 1.1 last March look like
they're going to come true (which is good news for Struts folks).

Craig

On 6 Sep 2002, Bryan Field-Elliot wrote:

> Date: 06 Sep 2002 12:33:37 -0600
> From: Bryan Field-Elliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Struts-User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Struts <--> JSF roadmap
>
> I was wondering if there are others out there who have read the
> (preliminary) JSF (Java Server Faces) drafts, tutorials, etc., with
> opinions on how they relate to Struts?
>
> With Craig the spec lead on JSF, and Craig also being a primary mover
> (as well as original inventor) of Struts, I am hoping he will come
> forward with some real opinions on the matter, such as, where are the
> areas of overlap between the two? I believe there may be overlap in
> validation area, as well as in the general "controller framework"
> mechanism, though I'm not sure yet.
>
> Might there be anything like a "long-term roadmap" for Struts with some
> mention of JSF, and best practices for using the two together?
>
> Opinions appreciated,
>
> Bryan
>
>


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