RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Keith Bacon

is this abuse of this list - had it better stop?
Belgian beer - Rochefort 10, English beer - Youngs Winter Warmer yumm - sorry I got 
caught up in
it now.
--- Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hmm, beer.
 
 bass, guiness, newcastle brown ale, harp...
 
 yummy!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:09 PM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
  Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
 
 
 
 
  Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in
  the United
  Kingdom!
 
  D.
 
 
 
 
 
  Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002
  07:35:53 AM
 
  Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  To:   Struts Users Mailing List
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  cc:(bcc: David Hay/Lex/Lexmark)
  Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts
 
 
 
  Go to www.JBoss.org
  Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!
 
  More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. The foster's you
  have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The only real beer, is
  the beer down here!
 
 
  Arron.
 
  Mark Galbreath wrote:
 
  My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
  container and
  the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for handling
  data access.
  
  But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.
  I am forced
  to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), arguablly the worst app
  server on the planet.
  
  And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!
  
  Cheers!
  Mark
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
  Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
  
  
  Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in
  question is used
  to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently they
  almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near
  nothing... I'm only
  a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
  associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of with
  tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session
  management and fail
  over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
  sessions).
  
  Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
  definitely
  using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
  To: Struts Users Mailing List
  Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that
  with Tomcat?
  
  Cheers!
  Mark
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
  Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
  
  
  Hey everyone,
  I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
  Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
  proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
  Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so
  
  good).
  
  There is even some talk of Lucene being used.
  
  Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.
  
  Cheers,
  Dan
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
  Subject: Things that use Struts
  
  
  Hi everyone,
  
  I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
  have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
  
  throw
  
  in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
  
  wondering
  
  whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
  
  scale
  
  system.
  
  a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
  U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL
  code with
  
  a
  
  J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
  development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
  
  the
  
  time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
  definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
  
  gracefully
  
  (with a lot of help from TOPLink).
  
  b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory
  system for
  trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
  Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky,
  somewhere
  between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).
  
  c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
  
  written
  
  completely with Struts on JRun.
  
  Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough

Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Olivier Dinocourt

is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?

has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which would bring us
back to the subject of this thread...)

- Original Message -
From: Keith Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 is this abuse of this list - had it better stop?
 Belgian beer - Rochefort 10, English beer - Youngs Winter Warmer yumm -
sorry I got caught up in
 it now.
 --- Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hmm, beer.
 
  bass, guiness, newcastle brown ale, harp...
 
  yummy!
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:09 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
  
   Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in
   the United
   Kingdom!
  
   D.
  
  
  
  
  
   Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002
   07:35:53 AM
  
   Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   To:   Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   cc:(bcc: David Hay/Lex/Lexmark)
   Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
   Go to www.JBoss.org
   Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!
  
   More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. The foster's
you
   have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The only real beer,
is
   the beer down here!
  
  
   Arron.
  
   Mark Galbreath wrote:
  
   My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
   container and
   the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for
handling
   data access.
   
   But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.
   I am forced
   to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), arguablly the worst
app
   server on the planet.
   
   And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!
   
   Cheers!
   Mark
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in
   question is used
   to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently
they
   almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near
   nothing... I'm only
   a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
   associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of
with
   tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session
   management and fail
   over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
   sessions).
   
   Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
   definitely
   using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
   
   
   One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that
   with Tomcat?
   
   Cheers!
   Mark
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
   Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Hey everyone,
   I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
   Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).
The
   proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux
with
   Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so
   
   good).
   
   There is even some talk of Lucene being used.
   
   Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.
   
   Cheers,
   Dan
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
   To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
   Subject: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Hi everyone,
   
   I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released
and
   have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted
to
   
   throw
   
   in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
   
   wondering
   
   whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a
large
   
   scale
   
   system.
   
   a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of
the
   U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL
   code with
   
   a
   
   J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
   development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around
150,000 by
   
   the
   
   time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
   definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled

Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread pchowdhr


I am actually partial to Margharitas ;) As if the beer talk was not enough,
here we go again 






Olivier Dinocourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/21/2002 07:21:32 AM

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cc:

Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts


is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?

has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which would bring
us
back to the subject of this thread...)

- Original Message -
From: Keith Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 is this abuse of this list - had it better stop?
 Belgian beer - Rochefort 10, English beer - Youngs Winter Warmer yumm -
sorry I got caught up in
 it now.
 --- Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hmm, beer.
 
  bass, guiness, newcastle brown ale, harp...
 
  yummy!
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:09 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
  
   Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in
   the United
   Kingdom!
  
   D.
  
  
  
  
  
   Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002
   07:35:53 AM
  
   Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   To:   Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   cc:(bcc: David Hay/Lex/Lexmark)
   Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
   Go to www.JBoss.org
   Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!
  
   More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. The foster's
you
   have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The only real beer,
is
   the beer down here!
  
  
   Arron.
  
   Mark Galbreath wrote:
  
   My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
   container and
   the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for
handling
   data access.
   
   But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.
   I am forced
   to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), arguablly the worst
app
   server on the planet.
   
   And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!
   
   Cheers!
   Mark
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in
   question is used
   to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently
they
   almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near
   nothing... I'm only
   a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
   associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of
with
   tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session
   management and fail
   over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
   sessions).
   
   Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
   definitely
   using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
   
   
   One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that
   with Tomcat?
   
   Cheers!
   Mark
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
   Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Hey everyone,
   I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one
of
   Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).
The
   proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux
with
   Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far
so
   
   good).
   
   There is even some talk of Lucene being used.
   
   Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.
   
   Cheers,
   Dan
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
   To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
   Subject: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Hi everyone,
   
   I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first
released
and
   have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted
to
   
   throw
   
   in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
   
   wondering
   
   whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a
large
   
   scale
   
   system.
   
   a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division
of
the
   U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL
   code

Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Mark Galbreath

I am attempting to, if I can ever get JRun to work properly with Struts...
:-(

Mark

- Original Message -
From: Olivier Dinocourt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


 is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?

 has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which would bring
us
 back to the subject of this thread...)



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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Chappell, Simon P

Personally, I quit drinking beer when I arrived on this side of the
pond. If I can't get CAMRA approved beer then I'll do without! (And
don't get me started on how bad the tea is over here!!!)

Simon

-
Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:56 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts



I am actually partial to Margharitas ;) As if the beer talk 
was not enough,
here we go again 






Olivier Dinocourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/21/2002 
07:21:32 AM

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Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts


is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?

has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which 
would bring
us
back to the subject of this thread...)

- Original Message -
From: Keith Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 is this abuse of this list - had it better stop?
 Belgian beer - Rochefort 10, English beer - Youngs Winter 
Warmer yumm -
sorry I got caught up in
 it now.
 --- Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hmm, beer.
 
  bass, guiness, newcastle brown ale, harp...
 
  yummy!
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:09 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
  
   Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in
   the United
   Kingdom!
  
   D.
  
  
  
  
  
   Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002
   07:35:53 AM
  
   Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   To:   Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   cc:(bcc: David Hay/Lex/Lexmark)
   Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
   Go to www.JBoss.org
   Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!
  
   More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. 
The foster's
you
   have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The 
only real beer,
is
   the beer down here!
  
  
   Arron.
  
   Mark Galbreath wrote:
  
   My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
   container and
   the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for
handling
   data access.
   
   But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.
   I am forced
   to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), 
arguablly the worst
app
   server on the planet.
   
   And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!
   
   Cheers!
   Mark
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in
   question is used
   to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, 
apparently
they
   almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near
   nothing... I'm only
   a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of 
the politics
   associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I 
am aware of
with
   tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session
   management and fail
   over (being restricted to one apache instance for the 
tomcat sticky
   sessions).
   
   Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
   definitely
   using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
   
   
   One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that
   with Tomcat?
   
   Cheers!
   Mark
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
   Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Hey everyone,
   I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a 
re-write of one
of
   Australia's biggest sites (just under a million 
searches a month).
The
   proof of concept runs the front end (presentation 
layer) on Linux
with
   Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it 
goes (so far
so
   
   good).
   
   There is even some talk of Lucene being used.
   
   Needless to say, we are very impressed with both 
Tomcat and Struts.
   
   Cheers,
   Dan
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Stuart Charlton [mailto

Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Barry Glasco

I don't know about JRun but I am about to make a
beer run any orders?

Why JRun? Do you just want to cause your self pain? Ah
thats why you need the beer!

Later
- Original Message -
From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


 I am attempting to, if I can ever get JRun to work properly with Struts...
 :-(

 Mark

 - Original Message -
 From: Olivier Dinocourt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


  is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?
 
  has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which would
bring
 us
  back to the subject of this thread...)



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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread John M. Corro

Glad to see another cheesehead on the forum, though you hate to hear someone
trash talking the beer in Miller town : )

- Original Message -
From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


Personally, I quit drinking beer when I arrived on this side of the
pond. If I can't get CAMRA approved beer then I'll do without! (And
don't get me started on how bad the tea is over here!!!)

Simon

-
Simon P. Chappell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Java Programming Specialist  www.landsend.com
Lands' End, Inc.   (608) 935-4526


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:56 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts



I am actually partial to Margharitas ;) As if the beer talk
was not enough,
here we go again 






Olivier Dinocourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/21/2002
07:21:32 AM

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is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?

has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which
would bring
us
back to the subject of this thread...)

- Original Message -
From: Keith Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 is this abuse of this list - had it better stop?
 Belgian beer - Rochefort 10, English beer - Youngs Winter
Warmer yumm -
sorry I got caught up in
 it now.
 --- Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hmm, beer.
 
  bass, guiness, newcastle brown ale, harp...
 
  yummy!
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:09 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
  
   Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in
   the United
   Kingdom!
  
   D.
  
  
  
  
  
   Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002
   07:35:53 AM
  
   Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   To:   Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   cc:(bcc: David Hay/Lex/Lexmark)
   Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
   Go to www.JBoss.org
   Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!
  
   More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue.
The foster's
you
   have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The
only real beer,
is
   the beer down here!
  
  
   Arron.
  
   Mark Galbreath wrote:
  
   My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
   container and
   the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for
handling
   data access.
   
   But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.
   I am forced
   to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price),
arguablly the worst
app
   server on the planet.
   
   And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!
   
   Cheers!
   Mark
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in
   question is used
   to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers,
apparently
they
   almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near
   nothing... I'm only
   a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of
the politics
   associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I
am aware of
with
   tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session
   management and fail
   over (being restricted to one apache instance for the
tomcat sticky
   sessions).
   
   Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
   definitely
   using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
   
   
   One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that
   with Tomcat?
   
   Cheers!
   Mark
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
   Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Hey everyone,
   I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a
re-write of one
of
   Australia's biggest sites (just under a million
searches a month).
The
   proof of concept runs the front end (presentation
layer) on Linux

RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Bill Page

what's the problem?  I've just started trying out struts and haven't had any
real problems.  I'm using the limited developer JRun and downloaded struts
about a week ago.  I followed the instructions and got the example working.
I DID NOT do some extra thing I saw on the site and it worked anyway.  I
then deployed it into the existing JRun site, modified the web.xml,
configured the struts xml and it worked.  I'll admit that the above took
10-12 shots.  I also am restarting the JRun server after modifying anything
other than a JSP.  I'm doing it often enough that I'm restarting from the
services (win2K) panel rather than the JRun admin console.

If you think it will help, I'll email an annotated snippet list that I made
along the way (annotations not great).

bp

-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:17 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


I am attempting to, if I can ever get JRun to work properly with Struts...
:-(


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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Mark Galbreath

I just found the problem (on my home machine, at least).  I was telling JRun
to use JRE 1.4 and it was choking but not giving the correct error condition
(was merely saying it could not find the jrun-root/lib/jvms.properties
file).  Once I directed it to the 1.3 JRE it installed and ran correctly
(there is no documentation that I could find on this).  I just mapped my SQL
Server 2000 database to it and am about to put struts.jar in the default
server's lib directory and see if I can't get something cooking.

I tried to use the Struts demo app in the November issue of JDJ, but
(typically) the author didn't list the code for 2 needed classes and the
JavaBean.  Would someone direct me to a quick and dirty tutorial where I can
see how the Action* classes work in a servlet container?  I would rather not
use scriplets in JSPs, but tags are cool.

Thanks,
Mark

- Original Message -
From: Bill Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 what's the problem?  I've just started trying out struts and haven't had
any
 real problems.  I'm using the limited developer JRun and downloaded struts
 about a week ago.  I followed the instructions and got the example
working.
 I DID NOT do some extra thing I saw on the site and it worked anyway.  I
 then deployed it into the existing JRun site, modified the web.xml,
 configured the struts xml and it worked.  I'll admit that the above took
 10-12 shots.  I also am restarting the JRun server after modifying
anything
 other than a JSP.  I'm doing it often enough that I'm restarting from the
 services (win2K) panel rather than the JRun admin console.

 If you think it will help, I'll email an annotated snippet list that I
made
 along the way (annotations not great).

 bp

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:17 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


 I am attempting to, if I can ever get JRun to work properly with Struts...
 :-(


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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Mark Galbreath

Surely you could stomach an Old Peculiar or two?  ;-)

- Original Message -
From: John M. Corro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


 Glad to see another cheesehead on the forum, though you hate to hear
someone
 trash talking the beer in Miller town : )

 - Original Message -
 From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:12 PM
 Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 Personally, I quit drinking beer when I arrived on this side of the
 pond. If I can't get CAMRA approved beer then I'll do without! (And
 don't get me started on how bad the tea is over here!!!)

 Simon

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:56 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
 
 
 
 I am actually partial to Margharitas ;) As if the beer talk
 was not enough,
 here we go again 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Olivier Dinocourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/21/2002
 07:21:32 AM
 
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 cc:
 
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 is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?
 
 has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which
 would bring
 us
 back to the subject of this thread...)
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Keith Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:18 PM
 Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
 
 
  is this abuse of this list - had it better stop?
  Belgian beer - Rochefort 10, English beer - Youngs Winter
 Warmer yumm -
 sorry I got caught up in
  it now.
  --- Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   hmm, beer.
  
   bass, guiness, newcastle brown ale, harp...
  
   yummy!
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:09 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
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Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in
the United
Kingdom!
   
D.
   
   
   
   
   
Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002
07:35:53 AM
   
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Go to www.JBoss.org
Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!
   
More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue.
 The foster's
 you
have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The
 only real beer,
 is
the beer down here!
   
   
Arron.
   
Mark Galbreath wrote:
   
My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
container and
the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for
 handling
data access.

But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.
I am forced
to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price),
 arguablly the worst
 app
server on the planet.

And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!

Cheers!
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in
question is used
to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers,
 apparently
 they
almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near
nothing... I'm only
a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of
 the politics
associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I
 am aware of
 with
tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session
management and fail
over (being restricted to one apache instance for the
 tomcat sticky
sessions).

Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
definitely
using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that
with Tomcat?

Cheers!
Mark

- Original Message

Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Mark Galbreath

Thanks, but got a Wild Goose IPA calling my name from the frig

- Original Message -
From: Barry Glasco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


 I don't know about JRun but I am about to make a
 beer run any orders?

 Why JRun? Do you just want to cause your self pain? Ah
 thats why you need the beer!

 Later
 - Original Message -
 From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:16 PM
 Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


  I am attempting to, if I can ever get JRun to work properly with
Struts...
  :-(
 
  Mark
 
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  Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:21 AM
  Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
 
 
   is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?
  
   has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which would
 bring
  us
   back to the subject of this thread...)
 
 
 
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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-21 Thread Chappell, Simon P

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise that Miller was classified as beer? ;-)

Newcastle Brown Ale = beer
Wadworth 6X = beer
Ushers Best = beer
Miller = !beer

I may be an adopted Cheesehead (and proud of it), but I don't have to
like the beer! I spent too many years living in Wiltshire to drink
anything other than Real Ale.

Simon

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-Original Message-
From: John M. Corro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:25 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


Glad to see another cheesehead on the forum, though you hate 
to hear someone
trash talking the beer in Miller town : )

- Original Message -
From: Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


Personally, I quit drinking beer when I arrived on this side of the
pond. If I can't get CAMRA approved beer then I'll do without! (And
don't get me started on how bad the tea is over here!!!)

Simon

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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:56 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts



I am actually partial to Margharitas ;) As if the beer talk
was not enough,
here we go again 






Olivier Dinocourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/21/2002
07:21:32 AM

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cc:

Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts


is it me or do all web developers drink beer ?

has anyone made a beer-related web site using Struts ? (which
would bring
us
back to the subject of this thread...)

- Original Message -
From: Keith Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 is this abuse of this list - had it better stop?
 Belgian beer - Rochefort 10, English beer - Youngs Winter
Warmer yumm -
sorry I got caught up in
 it now.
 --- Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hmm, beer.
 
  bass, guiness, newcastle brown ale, harp...
 
  yummy!
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:09 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
  
   Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in
   the United
   Kingdom!
  
   D.
  
  
  
  
  
   Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 
01/18/2002
   07:35:53 AM
  
   Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   To:   Struts Users Mailing List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   cc:(bcc: David Hay/Lex/Lexmark)
   Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts
  
  
  
   Go to www.JBoss.org
   Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!
  
   More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue.
The foster's
you
   have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The
only real beer,
is
   the beer down here!
  
  
   Arron.
  
   Mark Galbreath wrote:
  
   My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
   container and
   the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for
handling
   data access.
   
   But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.
   I am forced
   to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price),
arguablly the worst
app
   server on the planet.
   
   And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want 
real beer!
   
   Cheers!
   Mark
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
   To: Struts Users Mailing List
   Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
   
   
   Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in
   question is used
   to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers,
apparently
they
   almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near
   nothing... I'm only
   a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of
the politics
   associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I
am aware of
with
   tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session
   management and fail
   over (being restricted to one apache instance for the
tomcat sticky
   sessions).
   
   Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
   definitely
   using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue

Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Ted Husted

Dan Washusen wrote:
 There is even some talk of Lucene being used.

Lucene is an excellent package. Use it if you can.


-- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA.
-- Building Java web applications with Struts.
-- Tel +1 585 737-3463.
-- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/


Dan Washusen wrote:
 
 Hey everyone,
 I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
 Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
 proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
 Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so good).
 There is even some talk of Lucene being used.
 
 Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.
 
 Cheers,
 Dan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: Things that use Struts
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to throw
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are wondering
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large scale
 system.
 
 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with a
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by the
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled gracefully
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).
 
 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).
 
 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was written
 completely with Struts on JRun.
 
 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and it
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
 development competitive
 
 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
 Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your humble
 correspondent and is not necessarily the opinion of Infusion Development
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Re: Things that use Struts (Ted)

2002-01-18 Thread Amitkumar J Malhotra



Hello Ted,
can u tell us something more aboutLucene please..and any date finalized for
release of your book on struts ?

rgds
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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Mark Galbreath

My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB container and
the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for handling
data access.

But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.  I am forced
to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), arguablly the worst app
server on the planet.

And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!

Cheers!
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in question is used
to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently they
almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near nothing... I'm only
a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of with
tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session management and fail
over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
sessions).

Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are definitely
using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that with Tomcat?

Cheers!
Mark

- Original Message -
From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 Hey everyone,
 I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
 Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
 proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
 Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so
good).
 There is even some talk of Lucene being used.

 Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.

 Cheers,
 Dan

 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: Things that use Struts


 Hi everyone,

 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
throw
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
wondering
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
scale
 system.

 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with
a
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
the
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
gracefully
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).

 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
written
 completely with Struts on JRun.

 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and
it
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
 development competitive

 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
 Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your humble
 correspondent and is not necessarily the opinion of Infusion Development
 corp.



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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Amitkumar J Malhotra



Hello Mark,
apparently HP Bluestone  is giving it's application server free , have u used it
or heard about some reviews on the samei just read your view about
jrun , so was tempted to ask you about the samehave u tried JBoss..

rgds
amit



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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Arron

Go to www.JBoss.org
Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!

More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. The foster's you 
have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The only real beer, is 
the beer down here!


Arron.

Mark Galbreath wrote:

My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB container and
the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for handling
data access.

But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.  I am forced
to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), arguablly the worst app
server on the planet.

And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!

Cheers!
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in question is used
to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently they
almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near nothing... I'm only
a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of with
tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session management and fail
over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
sessions).

Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are definitely
using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that with Tomcat?

Cheers!
Mark

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From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


Hey everyone,
I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so

good).

There is even some talk of Lucene being used.

Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.

Cheers,
Dan

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Things that use Struts


Hi everyone,

I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to

throw

in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are

wondering

whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large

scale

system.

a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with

a

J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by

the

time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled

gracefully

(with a lot of help from TOPLink).

b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was

written

completely with Struts on JRun.

Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and

it

really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
development competitive

Cheers
Stu Charlton
Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your humble
correspondent and is not necessarily the opinion of Infusion Development
corp.



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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Mark Galbreath

That would be really helpful!

Mark

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:07 AM

Ideally I'd like to open up parts of the codenotes.com codebase to the
public as a case study of how to write a content management system in
Struts... but that's not my final decision. :)

Cheers
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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Robert J. Sanford, Jr.

hmm, beer.

bass, guiness, newcastle brown ale, harp...

yummy!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:09 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Things that use Struts




 Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in
 the United
 Kingdom!

 D.





 Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002
 07:35:53 AM

 Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
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 To:   Struts Users Mailing List
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Go to www.JBoss.org
 Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!

 More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. The foster's you
 have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The only real beer, is
 the beer down here!


 Arron.

 Mark Galbreath wrote:

 My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
 container and
 the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for handling
 data access.
 
 But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.
 I am forced
 to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), arguablly the worst app
 server on the planet.
 
 And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!
 
 Cheers!
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
 
 
 Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in
 question is used
 to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently they
 almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near
 nothing... I'm only
 a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
 associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of with
 tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session
 management and fail
 over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
 sessions).
 
 Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
 definitely
 using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
 
 
 One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that
 with Tomcat?
 
 Cheers!
 Mark
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
 Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
 
 
 Hey everyone,
 I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
 Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
 proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
 Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so
 
 good).
 
 There is even some talk of Lucene being used.
 
 Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.
 
 Cheers,
 Dan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: Things that use Struts
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
 
 throw
 
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
 
 wondering
 
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
 
 scale
 
 system.
 
 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL
 code with
 
 a
 
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
 
 the
 
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
 
 gracefully
 
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).
 
 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory
 system for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky,
 somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).
 
 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
 
 written
 
 completely with Struts on JRun.
 
 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and
 
 it
 
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang
 ASP.NET features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping
 JSP/Servlet
 development competitive
 
 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
 Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your humble
 correspondent

Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Ryan

Canadian Beer, hands down,  great.

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts




 Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in the
United
 Kingdom!

 D.





 Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002 07:35:53
AM

 Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To:   Struts Users Mailing List
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cc:(bcc: David Hay/Lex/Lexmark)
 Subject:  Re: Things that use Struts



 Go to www.JBoss.org
 Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!

 More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. The foster's you
 have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The only real beer, is
 the beer down here!


 Arron.

 Mark Galbreath wrote:

 My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB container
and
 the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for handling
 data access.
 
 But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.  I am
forced
 to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), arguablly the worst app
 server on the planet.
 
 And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!
 
 Cheers!
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
 
 
 Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in question is
used
 to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently they
 almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near nothing... I'm
only
 a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
 associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of with
 tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session management and
fail
 over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
 sessions).
 
 Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
definitely
 using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
 
 
 One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that with
Tomcat?
 
 Cheers!
 Mark
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
 Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
 
 
 Hey everyone,
 I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
 Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
 proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
 Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so
 
 good).
 
 There is even some talk of Lucene being used.
 
 Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.
 
 Cheers,
 Dan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: Things that use Struts
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
 
 throw
 
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
 
 wondering
 
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
 
 scale
 
 system.
 
 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code
with
 
 a
 
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
 
 the
 
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
 
 gracefully
 
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).
 
 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system
for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky,
somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).
 
 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
 
 written
 
 completely with Struts on JRun.
 
 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and
 
 it
 
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET
features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping
JSP/Servlet
 development competitive
 
 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
 Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your humble
 correspondent and is not necessarily the opinion of Infusion Development
 corp

Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread pchowdhr


Ok you guys. This thread started really well. And now  it is degenerating
into a Friday afternoon beer fantasy :) Not that I mind !






Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002 12:19:15 PM

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Canadian Beer, hands down,  great.

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts




 Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in the
United
 Kingdom!

 D.





 Arron [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/18/2002
07:35:53
AM

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 Go to www.JBoss.org
 Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!

 More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. The foster's you
 have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The only real beer, is
 the beer down here!


 Arron.

 Mark Galbreath wrote:

 My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB container
and
 the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for handling
 data access.
 
 But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.  I am
forced
 to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), arguablly the worst app
 server on the planet.
 
 And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!
 
 Cheers!
 Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
 
 
 Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in question is
used
 to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently they
 almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near nothing... I'm
only
 a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
 associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of with
 tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session management and
fail
 over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
 sessions).
 
 Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
definitely
 using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
 To: Struts Users Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Things that use Struts
 
 
 One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that with
Tomcat?
 
 Cheers!
 Mark
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
 Subject: RE: Things that use Struts
 
 
 Hey everyone,
 I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
 Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
 proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
 Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so
 
 good).
 
 There is even some talk of Lucene being used.
 
 Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.
 
 Cheers,
 Dan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: Things that use Struts
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released
and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
 
 throw
 
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
 
 wondering
 
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
 
 scale
 
 system.
 
 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of
the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code
with
 
 a
 
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000
by
 
 the
 
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
 
 gracefully
 
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).
 
 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system
for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to
incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky,
somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).
 
 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
 
 written
 
 completely with Struts on JRun.
 
 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of,
and
 
 it
 
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET

RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Mark Galbreath

Next round's on you!  :-)

Mark

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Ok you guys. This thread started really well. And now  it is degenerating
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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread pchowdhr


Alright - some good ole Wisconsin Beer for all of u guys then !





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Next round's on you!  :-)

Mark

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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Robert




I might have mentioned it on this list before, but Hallmark Stories
(www.hallmarkstories.com) uses Struts for their online photo album site.
We are pushing Struts for several of our customers as well (of course
with our adapters :-) ).

Robert McIntosh
 


Go to www.JBoss.org
Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!

More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. The foster's you
have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The only real beer, is
the beer down here!


Arron.

Mark Galbreath wrote:

My point was more towards the issue of Tomcat not being an EJB
container and
the apparent scope of the company would make EJBs mandatory for
handling
data access.

But I know what you mean about a company getting cheap on you.  I am
forced
to used JRun (chosen solely based on the price), arguablly the worst
app
server on the planet.

And stop sending that Foster's crap up here - we want real beer!

Cheers!
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Dan Washusen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:50 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in question is
used
to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently they
almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near nothing... I'm
only
a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of with
tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session management and
fail
over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
sessions).

Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are
definitely
using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that with
Tomcat?

Cheers!
Mark

- Original Message -
From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


Hey everyone,
I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).
The
proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so

good).

There is even some talk of Lucene being used.

Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.

Cheers,
Dan

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Things that use Struts


Hi everyone,

I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released
and
have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to

throw

in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are

wondering

whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large

scale

system.

a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of
the
U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code
with

a

J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000
by

the

time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled

gracefully

(with a lot of help from TOPLink).

b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system
for
trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to
incorporate
Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky,
somewhere
between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was

written

completely with Struts on JRun.

Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of,
and

it

really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET
features
coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping
JSP/Servlet
development competitive

Cheers
Stu Charlton
Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your humble
correspondent and is not necessarily the opinion of Infusion
Development
corp.



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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread John M. Corro

Amen to that!  How about a round for the cheeseheadshopefully we'll be
pounding St. Louis into the ground this Sunday!  (no offense to fellow
Struters from St. Louis)

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 Alright - some good ole Wisconsin Beer for all of u guys then !





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 Next round's on you!  :-)

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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Nelson, Jeffrey

No offense taken, but you cheeseheads might want to get an extra 6 pack of
your favorite for this weekend. It will go pretty good with the creamed
cheese we make out of the Packers this weekend. (no offense to fellow to
fellow Struters from Green Bay :))

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Amen to that!  How about a round for the cheeseheadshopefully we'll be
pounding St. Louis into the ground this Sunday!  (no offense to fellow
Struters from St. Louis)

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 Alright - some good ole Wisconsin Beer for all of u guys then !





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 Next round's on you!  :-)

 Mark

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 Ok you guys. This thread started really well. And now  it is degenerating
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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread Craig Tataryn

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Sorry...I think you'll find the real beer is only to be found in the United
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D.

As a Canadian I resent that statement.  Although I must admit my 
vavourite beer is Kilkenny and Double Diamond.  However, they are too 
filling.

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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-18 Thread dion

Arron wrote:
 Go to www.JBoss.org
 Apparently they're starting to give the larger boys a stir!
 
 More importantly, I need to comment on the beer issue. The foster's you 
 have up there is a US company with an AUS label. The only real beer, is 
 the beer down here!

Now we're talking!

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 Hey everyone,
 I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
 Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
 proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
 Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so


I'll bet Pizza Hut down here may not be the largest Struts site in 
numbers of hits, but I'll bet it's right up there in revenue :)

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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-17 Thread Yan Zhu


hey thanks for sharing the stories, it gives us newbies something to
go on. :)

yan

Stuart Charlton wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to throw
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are wondering
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large scale
 system.

 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with a
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by the
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled gracefully
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).

 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was written
 completely with Struts on JRun.

 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and it
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
 development competitive

 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-17 Thread pchowdhr


Hello Stuart,

I am so glad to see this email. I am pushing Struts in my company in a big
way too and have got quite a few good examples from the local IT industry
here in Madison, but nothing on the scale of what you mention. I am going
to forward your email to my director !

It would be so great if more of such deployments of Struts could be made
known in this forum.

Thanks and best,
Pritika Chowdhry,
Architect,
Famous Footwear.






Stuart Charlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/17/2002 05:00:30 PM

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Hi everyone,

I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to throw
in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are wondering
whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
scale
system.

a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with a
J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
the
time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled gracefully
(with a lot of help from TOPLink).

b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was written
completely with Struts on JRun.

Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and it
really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
development competitive

Cheers
Stu Charlton
Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-17 Thread Mark Galbreath

I am part of a development team that just made the decision (last week) to
use Struts as the core servlet container technology for VoiceStream's new
ecommerce intra/extranet website.  I am having trouble getting practical
advice/tutorials on exact implementation, but so far, Struts is performing
incredibly in our development environment!  We are developing a shopping
cart app that must meet the requirement of 1000 simultaneous users.  Our
J2EE app is JRun (it sucks, but it's comparatively inexpensive), server is
Apache on Unix.  We are using EJBs as the model to an Oracle 8i database.

I think real-world applications stories discussed here would help
immeasurably in light of the absence of good tutorials at Jakarta.

Cheers!
Mark

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 Hello Stuart,

 I am so glad to see this email. I am pushing Struts in my company in a big
 way too and have got quite a few good examples from the local IT industry
 here in Madison, but nothing on the scale of what you mention. I am going
 to forward your email to my director !

 It would be so great if more of such deployments of Struts could be made
 known in this forum.

 Thanks and best,
 Pritika Chowdhry,
 Architect,
 Famous Footwear.






 Stuart Charlton [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 01/17/2002 05:00:30 PM

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 cc:

 Subject:  Things that use Struts


 Hi everyone,

 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
throw
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
wondering
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
 scale
 system.

 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with
a
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
 the
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
gracefully
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).

 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
written
 completely with Struts on JRun.

 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and
it
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
 development competitive

 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-17 Thread Dan Washusen

Hey everyone,
I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so good).
There is even some talk of Lucene being used.

Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.

Cheers,
Dan

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Things that use Struts


Hi everyone,

I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to throw
in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are wondering
whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large scale
system.

a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with a
J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by the
time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled gracefully
(with a lot of help from TOPLink).

b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was written
completely with Struts on JRun.

Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and it
really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
development competitive

Cheers
Stu Charlton
Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-17 Thread Mark Galbreath

Where are you?  I'd like to send a resume!  :-)

Cheers!
Mark

- Original Message -
From: Stuart Charlton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 6:00 PM
Subject: Things that use Struts


 Hi everyone,

 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
throw
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
wondering
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
scale
 system.

 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with
a
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
the
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
gracefully
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).

 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
written
 completely with Struts on JRun.

 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and
it
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
 development competitive

 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
 Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your humble
 correspondent and is not necessarily the opinion of Infusion Development
 corp.





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Re: Things that use Struts

2002-01-17 Thread Mark Galbreath

One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that with Tomcat?

Cheers!
Mark

- Original Message -
From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 Hey everyone,
 I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
 Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
 proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
 Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so
good).
 There is even some talk of Lucene being used.

 Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.

 Cheers,
 Dan

 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: Things that use Struts


 Hi everyone,

 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
throw
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
wondering
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
scale
 system.

 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with
a
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
the
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
gracefully
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).

 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
written
 completely with Struts on JRun.

 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and
it
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
 development competitive

 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
 Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your humble
 correspondent and is not necessarily the opinion of Infusion Development
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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-17 Thread Dan Washusen

Like I said, it's only a proof of concept.  The company in question is used
to paying a LOT of money for it's application servers, apparently they
almost jumped at the chance at cutting that cost to near nothing... I'm only
a lowly dev on the project and don't really know any of the politics
associated.  At the moment the only technical issues I am aware of with
tomcat is it's comparably ineffective method of session management and fail
over (being restricted to one apache instance for the tomcat sticky
sessions).

Anyway, I just thought you might like to know about it.  We are definitely
using Struts, Tomcat may change due to the above issue.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 12:23 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts


One of Australias' biggest sites?  How are you going to that with Tomcat?

Cheers!
Mark

- Original Message -
From: Dan Washusen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: Things that use Struts


 Hey everyone,
 I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a re-write of one of
 Australia's biggest sites (just under a million searches a month).  The
 proof of concept runs the front end (presentation layer) on Linux with
 Tomcat 4 and Struts.  I'll keep you posted on how it goes (so far so
good).
 There is even some talk of Lucene being used.

 Needless to say, we are very impressed with both Tomcat and Struts.

 Cheers,
 Dan

 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Charlton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 10:01 AM
 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 Subject: Things that use Struts


 Hi everyone,

 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
throw
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
wondering
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
scale
 system.

 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with
a
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
the
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
gracefully
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).

 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
written
 completely with Struts on JRun.

 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and
it
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
 development competitive

 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
 Disclaimer:  Everything in this message is the opinion of your humble
 correspondent and is not necessarily the opinion of Infusion Development
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RE: Things that use Struts

2002-01-17 Thread Stuart Charlton

Well, I can always discuss specific questions you have about my real-world
implementation with Struts... I even teach Struts as part of the Advanced
JSP module in our J2EE course, where we show real-world examples of its
usage.  

I probably will pop some of our examples online at some point in the next
month or so (on codenotes.com probably, maybe some on this list)...  Ideally
I'd like to open up parts of the codenotes.com codebase to the public as a
case study of how to write a content management system in Struts... but
that's not my final decision. :)

Cheers
Stu

-Original Message-
From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 8:06 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts

I am part of a development team that just made the decision (last week) to
use Struts as the core servlet container technology for VoiceStream's new
ecommerce intra/extranet website.  I am having trouble getting practical
advice/tutorials on exact implementation, but so far, Struts is performing
incredibly in our development environment!  We are developing a shopping
cart app that must meet the requirement of 1000 simultaneous users.  Our
J2EE app is JRun (it sucks, but it's comparatively inexpensive), server is
Apache on Unix.  We are using EJBs as the model to an Oracle 8i database.

I think real-world applications stories discussed here would help
immeasurably in light of the absence of good tutorials at Jakarta.

Cheers!
Mark

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Things that use Struts



 Hello Stuart,

 I am so glad to see this email. I am pushing Struts in my company in a big
 way too and have got quite a few good examples from the local IT industry
 here in Madison, but nothing on the scale of what you mention. I am going
 to forward your email to my director !

 It would be so great if more of such deployments of Struts could be made
 known in this forum.

 Thanks and best,
 Pritika Chowdhry,
 Architect,
 Famous Footwear.






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 Hi everyone,

 I've been a Struts developer and lurker since 1.0 was first released and
 have been pushing it in a big way within my company... Just wanted to
throw
 in my two cents about where we're using Struts for people who are
wondering
 whether Struts is right for their project, or if it can tackle a large
 scale
 system.

 a) We have a subcontract that's replacing a system for a division of the
 U.S. Navy.  This system is replacing 1.5 million lines of COBOL code with
a
 J2EE solution using Struts, WebLogic and TOPLink.  After 3 months of
 development is nearly 60,000 lines of code and will be around 150,000 by
 the
 time we're done.  Most of the screens are pretty static, but this is
 definitely a huge system, and Struts' design paradigm has scaled
gracefully
 (with a lot of help from TOPLink).

 b) One of our financial clients is using a web-based inventory system for
 trading whole loans  mortgages.  This will be refactored to incorporate
 Struts over the next several months (currently it's a bit icky, somewhere
 between JSP model 0 or 1 in terms of modularity).

 c) Our new venture with Random House, http://www.codenotes.com/ was
written
 completely with Struts on JRun.

 Struts is a great framework, the code is clean enough to eat off of, and
it
 really makes J2EE sing.  With a lot of the new whiz-bang ASP.NET features
 coming down the pipe, I think Struts really is what's keeping JSP/Servlet
 development competitive

 Cheers
 Stu Charlton
 Senior Architect / Trainer, Infusion Development
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