RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-19 Thread Karr, David 

> -Original Message-
> From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:10 PM
> To: Struts Users List
> Subject: [OT] Schwing!
> 
> Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I 
> gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long 
> time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been 
> under VB or 
> Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of 
> you might 
> have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)

Go through the Swing tutorials on java.sun.com.  Read many books.  Never use
GUI builders :) .

There are many Swing books out now, many of which are perfectly fine.  One
I'm intimately familiar with is "Swing", from Manning Publications.  They
recently came out with a 2nd edition.

Re: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-19 Thread Eddie Bush 

Thanks for all your replies!

Galbreath, Mark wrote:

>Yep - get John Zukowski's "Definitive Guide to Swing for Java 2, 2d. ed."
>(APress 2000).  Zukowski also wrote "Java Collections" (APress 2001), an
>indispensable handbook on any Java programmer's desk.
>
>Mark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:10 PM
>
>Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I 
>gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long 
>time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB or 
>Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you might 
>have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)
>
>Thanks!
>

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RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-19 Thread Galbraith, Paul 

I'd second this...vi and javac until you feel comfortable.  Then you can worry about 
figuring out that your generator is doing (and not doing) for you.  FWIW, I still 
refer to the o'reilly swing tome.  Old, but still very applicable (and very thorough).

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: September 18, 2002 11:40 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Schwing!


I was doing Swing GUI stuff before I started using struts. Swing is much
nicer to use than AWT (anyone else still remember AWT? hehe) but can also be
(ab)used very badly by folk who dont understand its concepts properly and
has developed something of a bad reputation as a result!

The easiest way to learn it is to start with the online tutorials at the Sun
java site, and also spend some time looking through the JavaDocs for the
Swing api.

Being a struts person you should already be familiar with the concept of
MVC, read up on how it is applied in Swing.
(Take a good look at things like the table and tree model interfaces as you
will probably be using these ones a lot)

btw: Be sure to spend extra time when you study the infamous GridBagLayout.
Its well worth it as that is by far the most useful of the layouts and once
you have the hang of it you probably wont use the others much at all!

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:10
To: Struts Users List
Subject: [OT] Schwing!


Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I
gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long
time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB or
Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you might
have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)

Thanks!

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RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-19 Thread Galbreath, Mark 

Yep - get John Zukowski's "Definitive Guide to Swing for Java 2, 2d. ed."
(APress 2000).  Zukowski also wrote "Java Collections" (APress 2001), an
indispensable handbook on any Java programmer's desk.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:10 PM

Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I 
gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long 
time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB or 
Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you might 
have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)

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RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-19 Thread micael 

Agreed!  It seems as if things are just getting cooler and cooler in Java 
by the day.

At 11:52 PM 9/18/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Thinlet...WOW.very nice.  I think I'll be able to use this on my
>next project.
>
>James Mitchell
>Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
>Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
>http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Aaron Oathout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:43 PM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [OT] Schwing!
> >
> >
> > Take a look at http://www.thinlet.com/ It's not swing, but the
> > idea behind
> > it is excellent. Very small api, you define your gui components in
> > xml, and your logic in a .java file. Nice seperation between the view and
> > business logic. Other than that I would suggest netbeans platform as well.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > > Have you considered starting with the NetBeans Platform?
> > >
> > >  http://www.netbeans.org/
> > >
> > > "The NetBeans Platform is the basis of the NetBeans IDE.  It is
> > a 'generic
> > > desktop application' which can be used to create almost any client-side
> > > application."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > James Mitchell
> > > Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> > > Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> > > http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:16 PM
> > > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > > > Subject: RE: [OT] Schwing!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Java Web Start :-)
> > > >
> > > > http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/
> > > >
> > > > For each app or sample you can view the source
> > > >
> > > > http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/
> > > >
> > > > I found the sample on JFCAbstractActions to be quite useful
> > for creating
> > > > manageable actions on large apps.
> > > >
> > > > Jacob Hookom
> > > >
> > > > | -Original Message-
> > > > | From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > | Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:10 PM
> > > > | To: Struts Users List
> > > > | Subject: [OT] Schwing!
> > > > |
> > > > | Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I
> > > > | gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long
> > > > | time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB
> > > > or
> > > > | Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you
> > > > might
> > > > | have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)
> > > > |
> > > > | Thanks!
> > > > |
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Re: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-19 Thread micael 

Core Graphics, Sun, David Geary.  That's the man!  There are a lot of 
resources, but David has a sense of balance in things that I like.

At 10:10 PM 9/18/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I 
>gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long time 
>ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB or 
>Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you might 
>have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)
>
>Thanks!
>
>--
>Eddie Bush
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Re: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-18 Thread Eddie Bush 

That's actually what I've wound up doing.  This, I think, is what I was 
looking for.  I can't believe I didn't think of it right off!

Andrew Hill wrote:

>I was doing Swing GUI stuff before I started using struts. Swing is much
>nicer to use than AWT (anyone else still remember AWT? hehe) but can also be
>(ab)used very badly by folk who dont understand its concepts properly and
>has developed something of a bad reputation as a result!
>
>The easiest way to learn it is to start with the online tutorials at the Sun
>java site, and also spend some time looking through the JavaDocs for the
>Swing api.
>
>Being a struts person you should already be familiar with the concept of
>MVC, read up on how it is applied in Swing.
>(Take a good look at things like the table and tree model interfaces as you
>will probably be using these ones a lot)
>
>btw: Be sure to spend extra time when you study the infamous GridBagLayout.
>Its well worth it as that is by far the most useful of the layouts and once
>you have the hang of it you probably wont use the others much at all!
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:10
>To: Struts Users List
>Subject: [OT] Schwing!
>
>
>Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I
>gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long
>time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB or
>Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you might
>have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)
>
>Thanks!
>
>--
>Eddie Bush
>

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RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-18 Thread Andrew Hill 

When learning, cut the code yourself and dont use any gui designers.
Once you understand it, THEN by all means use a fancy tool to do things. Be
sure however , to have a bucket handy if you plan on examining the code it
generates. ;-)
(Speaking generically. I havent tried NetBeans so cant speak for it
specifically)

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:54
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] Schwing!


Yes, but it just throws things out there ... and I don't find that
terribly educational ;-)  I use Netbeans extensively in my web
application endeavors.  I think (personally) that it is the ultimate
web-app IDE.  I tried IDEA/Eclipse etc.  ... and I prefer Netbeans.  I
guess it's that it makes it a lot more "natural" to develop web-apps.
 *shrug*

Once I understand what I am doing, I'm sure Netbeans will be a super IDE
for building Swing apps too.

James Mitchell wrote:

>Have you considered starting with the NetBeans Platform?
>
> http://www.netbeans.org/
>
>"The NetBeans Platform is the basis of the NetBeans IDE.  It is a 'generic
>desktop application' which can be used to create almost any client-side
>application."
>
>James Mitchell
>Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
>Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
>http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>

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Re: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-18 Thread Eddie Bush 

Yes, but it just throws things out there ... and I don't find that 
terribly educational ;-)  I use Netbeans extensively in my web 
application endeavors.  I think (personally) that it is the ultimate 
web-app IDE.  I tried IDEA/Eclipse etc.  ... and I prefer Netbeans.  I 
guess it's that it makes it a lot more "natural" to develop web-apps. 
 *shrug*

Once I understand what I am doing, I'm sure Netbeans will be a super IDE 
for building Swing apps too.

James Mitchell wrote:

>Have you considered starting with the NetBeans Platform?
>
> http://www.netbeans.org/
>
>"The NetBeans Platform is the basis of the NetBeans IDE.  It is a 'generic
>desktop application' which can be used to create almost any client-side
>application."
>
>James Mitchell
>Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
>Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
>http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
>

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RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-18 Thread James Mitchell 

Thinlet...WOW.very nice.  I think I'll be able to use this on my
next project.

James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta




> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Oathout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:43 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Schwing!
>
>
> Take a look at http://www.thinlet.com/ It's not swing, but the
> idea behind
> it is excellent. Very small api, you define your gui components in
> xml, and your logic in a .java file. Nice seperation between the view and
> business logic. Other than that I would suggest netbeans platform as well.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, James Mitchell wrote:
>
> > Have you considered starting with the NetBeans Platform?
> >
> >  http://www.netbeans.org/
> >
> > "The NetBeans Platform is the basis of the NetBeans IDE.  It is
> a 'generic
> > desktop application' which can be used to create almost any client-side
> > application."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > James Mitchell
> > Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> > Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> > http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:16 PM
> > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > > Subject: RE: [OT] Schwing!
> > >
> > >
> > > Java Web Start :-)
> > >
> > > http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/
> > >
> > > For each app or sample you can view the source
> > >
> > > http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/
> > >
> > > I found the sample on JFCAbstractActions to be quite useful
> for creating
> > > manageable actions on large apps.
> > >
> > > Jacob Hookom
> > >
> > > | -Original Message-
> > > | From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > | Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:10 PM
> > > | To: Struts Users List
> > > | Subject: [OT] Schwing!
> > > |
> > > | Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I
> > > | gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long
> > > | time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB
> > > or
> > > | Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you
> > > might
> > > | have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)
> > > |
> > > | Thanks!
> > > |
> > > | --
> > > | Eddie Bush
> > > |
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RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-18 Thread Aaron Oathout 

Take a look at http://www.thinlet.com/ It's not swing, but the idea behind 
it is excellent. Very small api, you define your gui components in 
xml, and your logic in a .java file. Nice seperation between the view and 
business logic. Other than that I would suggest netbeans platform as well.

Aaron


On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, James Mitchell wrote:

> Have you considered starting with the NetBeans Platform?
> 
>  http://www.netbeans.org/
> 
> "The NetBeans Platform is the basis of the NetBeans IDE.  It is a 'generic
> desktop application' which can be used to create almost any client-side
> application."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
> Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
> http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:16 PM
> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: [OT] Schwing!
> >
> >
> > Java Web Start :-)
> >
> > http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/
> >
> > For each app or sample you can view the source
> >
> > http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/
> >
> > I found the sample on JFCAbstractActions to be quite useful for creating
> > manageable actions on large apps.
> >
> > Jacob Hookom
> >
> > | -Original Message-
> > | From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > | Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:10 PM
> > | To: Struts Users List
> > | Subject: [OT] Schwing!
> > |
> > | Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I
> > | gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long
> > | time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB
> > or
> > | Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you
> > might
> > | have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)
> > |
> > | Thanks!
> > |
> > | --
> > | Eddie Bush
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RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-18 Thread Andrew Hill 

I was doing Swing GUI stuff before I started using struts. Swing is much
nicer to use than AWT (anyone else still remember AWT? hehe) but can also be
(ab)used very badly by folk who dont understand its concepts properly and
has developed something of a bad reputation as a result!

The easiest way to learn it is to start with the online tutorials at the Sun
java site, and also spend some time looking through the JavaDocs for the
Swing api.

Being a struts person you should already be familiar with the concept of
MVC, read up on how it is applied in Swing.
(Take a good look at things like the table and tree model interfaces as you
will probably be using these ones a lot)

btw: Be sure to spend extra time when you study the infamous GridBagLayout.
Its well worth it as that is by far the most useful of the layouts and once
you have the hang of it you probably wont use the others much at all!

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:10
To: Struts Users List
Subject: [OT] Schwing!


Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I
gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long
time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB or
Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you might
have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)

Thanks!

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RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-18 Thread James Mitchell 

Have you considered starting with the NetBeans Platform?

 http://www.netbeans.org/

"The NetBeans Platform is the basis of the NetBeans IDE.  It is a 'generic
desktop application' which can be used to create almost any client-side
application."




James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta




> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:16 PM
> To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] Schwing!
>
>
> Java Web Start :-)
>
> http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/
>
> For each app or sample you can view the source
>
> http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/
>
> I found the sample on JFCAbstractActions to be quite useful for creating
> manageable actions on large apps.
>
> Jacob Hookom
>
> | -Original Message-
> | From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> | Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:10 PM
> | To: Struts Users List
> | Subject: [OT] Schwing!
> |
> | Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I
> | gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long
> | time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB
> or
> | Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you
> might
> | have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)
> |
> | Thanks!
> |
> | --
> | Eddie Bush
> |
> |
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RE: [OT] Schwing!

2002-09-18 Thread Jacob Hookom 

Java Web Start :-)

http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/

For each app or sample you can view the source

http://java.sun.com/products/jfc/tsc/

I found the sample on JFCAbstractActions to be quite useful for creating
manageable actions on large apps.

Jacob Hookom

| -Original Message-
| From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:10 PM
| To: Struts Users List
| Subject: [OT] Schwing!
| 
| Any good resources for learning to do GUI development with Swing?  I
| gather it's favored over AWT nowadays.  I did some AWT back ... long
| time ago :-) ... but most of my GUI-doing business has been under VB
or
| Delphi.  I'm kinda doing the STFW thing, but I thought one of you
might
| have a resource you're especially proud of ;-)
| 
| Thanks!
| 
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