RE: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Day, Michael-IBM/TT 

Personally, I don't understand why should would say that she is married...

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Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are 
where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He 
correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected 
easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask 
another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said "How 
do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we forget the 
obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find out, if you 
don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?

At 04:19 PM 9/11/2002 -0300, you wrote:

> there should be an initial email stating where there are 
> tutorials, books, release date :), and etc,
>because there will always ask questions that takes a few seconds on the 
>main website to find the answer :)
>
> at least I havent seen anyone ask where they can download struts
:)
>
>
>At 03:03 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>>That does not mean you can't (at least) go to amazon.com and search for
>>books on "Java Struts."  You were smart enough to subscribe to this list,
>>after all.
>>
>>http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Pat Quinn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:52 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: RE: General Struts Question
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>>
>>i'm a first year uni student actually and i've only been working with java
>>for six weeks actually
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>> >Really! You wonder if these people have jobs. Let's hope not.
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>> >"Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2002 02:32:39 PM
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>> >STFW, dude.  Don't expect us to do your homework for you.
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RE: [FRIVOLOUS] Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread James Mitchell 

Is her name Ingeborg?  I think I might know her?  Does she have more chest
hair than Sasquatch?

James Mitchell
Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist
Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network"
http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta




> -Original Message-
> From: micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:03 PM
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> Subject: [FRIVOLOUS] Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND
> MORE SOPHISTICATED?]
>
>
> You would laugh harder if you saw her.  She is this very stern German
> looking frau (married one of our servicemen) and has these
> absolutely huge
> ., armpit hair to die for, etc.  Reminded me of the German
> camp frau in
> Linda Wertmueller's "Seven Beauties," who was this Nazi that the
> chicken-hearted Italian turncoat had to "do" to keep alive.  She actually
> has since become a good friend, and I hope she sees this. lol
>
> At 02:48 PM 9/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >LMAO - she said that?!  LOL ... that will last me THE REST OF THE
> >WEEK!!!  I *love* it!!
> >
> >micael wrote:
> >
> >>Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are
> >>where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He
> >>correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected
> >>easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask
> >>another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said
> >>"How do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we
> >>forget the obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find
> >>out, if you don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?
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RE: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Galbreath, Mark 

I've read Chuck's draft (edited half of it) and am half-way through James'
book.  James' book is definitely the book with which to start a new user.

Mark the Smelly One

-Original Message-
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:14 PM

I haven't read James' book. Mark is in the process of reviewing it and 
sharing his experience with us. In the meantime, let Chuck's book 
suffice. It's free for download (the review chapters are anyway), and it 
will really flesh things out for you (I'll be *very* surprised if it 
doesn't help emensly).

Having not read James' book, and having seen the example chapters out of 
Chuck's, I would tend to recommend Chuck's. I'm not sure how long ago 
James' book became available, but there could also be issues related to 
new functionality in Struts 1.1 not having made it into James' book. 
Mark could tell you more about that. I know Chuck's book really shed 
good light on some of the more advanced features for me though. Thus, I 
recommend it to everyone. Ted's book will probably be quite good too. 
The tips he puts out are small excerpts from his book. Having found 
several of them handy, I recon his book will be too. I wish I knew more 
about James' book ...

Chuck said something about how each of the books' authors had a 
different background, and how he figured, while there would be some 
overlap, each of them would cover different things.

Regards,

Eddie

Pat Quinn wrote:

> I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering 
> Struts by James Goodwill) on this topic? but I just wanted to make 
> sure it was a decent book as I?m living on a student allowance? 




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Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Pat Quinn 

See this is the info i wanted... i've just downloaded chucks book and i'll 
be holding out for the final version cheers guys

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>
> > I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering 
>Struts
> > by James Goodwill) on this topic. but I just wanted to make sure it was 
>a
> > decent book as I'm living on a student allowance.
>
>It's a good book (I've not finished it yet), I understand everything in
>spite of my poor english skills, maybe a little light even for a newbie 
>like
>me...
>However, Chuck's book preview seems more complete so start reading
>"Mastering Struts" then "Programming Jakarta Struts" and Ted's one should
>then be available:
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1930110502/qid=1031774919/sr=8
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RE: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread micael 

I agree 100%.  I bought the online version and nuked it.  Sorry Vic.  I 
know you tried.  Did not work!

At 04:10 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>That book sucks!  Read the reviews on amazon, dude!
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:59 PM
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>Subject: Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE
>SOPHISTICATED?]
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>
>If you look very hard,  i do not know where i found it
>but u can down load a free beta book called Struts Fast Track by Vic
>Cekvenich
>
>There are nice people out there
>
>Daniel Jaffa
>
>I was new to struts only 9 months ago
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:49 PM
>Subject: Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE
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> > I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering Struts
> > by James Goodwill) on this topic. but I just wanted to make sure it was a
> > decent book as I'm living on a student allowance.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > >Subject: Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE
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> > >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:48:08 -0500
> > >
> > >LMAO - she said that?!  LOL ... that will last me THE REST OF THE WEEK!!!
> > >I *love* it!!
> > >
> > >micael wrote:
> > >
> > >>Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are
> > >>where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He
> > >>correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected
> > >>easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask
> > >>another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said
>"How
> > >>do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we forget
>the
> > >>obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find out, if you
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RE: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Galbreath, Mark 

Speaking of which, here is the archive for our new young Strutster:

http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user%40jakarta.apache.org/

There will be very few questions you will ask (including the one you just
did) that are not already answered here.

Mark (wiping trout scales from face...tastes like sushi!)

-Original Message-
From: micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:04 PM

The information on the site is actually really, really good.  That combined 
with the archives is good enough, if you have a budget problem.  I think 
that it is cool that you are a new java person checking this out already.

At 08:49 PM 9/11/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering Struts 
>by James Goodwill) on this topic... but I just wanted to make sure it was a

>decent book as I'm living on a student allowance...
>
>
>
>>From: Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE
>>SOPHISTICATED?]
>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:48:08 -0500
>>
>>LMAO - she said that?!  LOL ... that will last me THE REST OF THE WEEK!!!
>>I *love* it!!
>>
>>micael wrote:
>>
>>>Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are 
>>>where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He 
>>>correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected 
>>>easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask 
>>>another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said 
>>>"How do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we 
>>>forget the obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find 
>>>out, if you don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?
>>
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Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Eddie Bush 

I haven't read James' book. Mark is in the process of reviewing it and 
sharing his experience with us. In the meantime, let Chuck's book 
suffice. It's free for download (the review chapters are anyway), and it 
will really flesh things out for you (I'll be *very* surprised if it 
doesn't help emensly).

Having not read James' book, and having seen the example chapters out of 
Chuck's, I would tend to recommend Chuck's. I'm not sure how long ago 
James' book became available, but there could also be issues related to 
new functionality in Struts 1.1 not having made it into James' book. 
Mark could tell you more about that. I know Chuck's book really shed 
good light on some of the more advanced features for me though. Thus, I 
recommend it to everyone. Ted's book will probably be quite good too. 
The tips he puts out are small excerpts from his book. Having found 
several of them handy, I recon his book will be too. I wish I knew more 
about James' book ...

Chuck said something about how each of the books' authors had a 
different background, and how he figured, while there would be some 
overlap, each of them would cover different things.

Regards,

Eddie

Pat Quinn wrote:

> I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering 
> Struts by James Goodwill) on this topic? but I just wanted to make 
> sure it was a decent book as I?m living on a student allowance? 




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Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread mailinglist 


> I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering Struts
> by James Goodwill) on this topic. but I just wanted to make sure it was a
> decent book as I'm living on a student allowance.

It's a good book (I've not finished it yet), I understand everything in
spite of my poor english skills, maybe a little light even for a newbie like
me...
However, Chuck's book preview seems more complete so start reading
"Mastering Struts" then "Programming Jakarta Struts" and Ted's one should
then be available:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1930110502/qid=1031774919/sr=8
-3/ref=sr_8_3/104-5500255-0862313?v=glance&s=books&n=507846






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RE: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Galbreath, Mark 

That book sucks!  Read the reviews on amazon, dude!

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From: Daniel Jaffa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:59 PM
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SOPHISTICATED?]


If you look very hard,  i do not know where i found it
but u can down load a free beta book called Struts Fast Track by Vic
Cekvenich

There are nice people out there

Daniel Jaffa

I was new to struts only 9 months ago

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> I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering Struts
> by James Goodwill) on this topic. but I just wanted to make sure it was a
> decent book as I'm living on a student allowance.
>
>
>
> >From: Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE
> >SOPHISTICATED?]
> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:48:08 -0500
> >
> >LMAO - she said that?!  LOL ... that will last me THE REST OF THE WEEK!!!
> >I *love* it!!
> >
> >micael wrote:
> >
> >>Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are
> >>where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He
> >>correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected
> >>easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask
> >>another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said
"How
> >>do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we forget
the
> >>obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find out, if you
> >>don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?
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Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread micael 

The information on the site is actually really, really good.  That combined 
with the archives is good enough, if you have a budget problem.  I think 
that it is cool that you are a new java person checking this out already.

At 08:49 PM 9/11/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering Struts 
>by James Goodwill) on this topic… but I just wanted to make sure it was a 
>decent book as I’m living on a student allowance…
>
>
>
>>From: Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE
>>SOPHISTICATED?]
>>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:48:08 -0500
>>
>>LMAO - she said that?!  LOL ... that will last me THE REST OF THE WEEK!!!
>>I *love* it!!
>>
>>micael wrote:
>>
>>>Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are 
>>>where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He 
>>>correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected 
>>>easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask 
>>>another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said 
>>>"How do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we 
>>>forget the obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find 
>>>out, if you don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?
>>
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[FRIVOLOUS] Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread micael 

You would laugh harder if you saw her.  She is this very stern German 
looking frau (married one of our servicemen) and has these absolutely huge 
., armpit hair to die for, etc.  Reminded me of the German camp frau in 
Linda Wertmueller's "Seven Beauties," who was this Nazi that the 
chicken-hearted Italian turncoat had to "do" to keep alive.  She actually 
has since become a good friend, and I hope she sees this. lol

At 02:48 PM 9/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>LMAO - she said that?!  LOL ... that will last me THE REST OF THE 
>WEEK!!!  I *love* it!!
>
>micael wrote:
>
>>Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are 
>>where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He 
>>correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected 
>>easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask 
>>another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said 
>>"How do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we 
>>forget the obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find 
>>out, if you don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?
>
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Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Daniel Jaffa 

If you look very hard,  i do not know where i found it
but u can down load a free beta book called Struts Fast Track by Vic
Cekvenich

There are nice people out there

Daniel Jaffa

I was new to struts only 9 months ago

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> I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering Struts
> by James Goodwill) on this topic. but I just wanted to make sure it was a
> decent book as I'm living on a student allowance.
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> >LMAO - she said that?!  LOL ... that will last me THE REST OF THE WEEK!!!
> >I *love* it!!
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> >micael wrote:
> >
> >>Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are
> >>where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He
> >>correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected
> >>easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask
> >>another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said
"How
> >>do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we forget
the
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Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Pat Quinn 

I know how to search in google and I have ordered a book (Mastering Struts 
by James Goodwill) on this topic… but I just wanted to make sure it was a 
decent book as I’m living on a student allowance…



>From: Eddie Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE  
>SOPHISTICATED?]
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:48:08 -0500
>
>LMAO - she said that?!  LOL ... that will last me THE REST OF THE WEEK!!!  
>I *love* it!!
>
>micael wrote:
>
>>Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are 
>>where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He 
>>correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected 
>>easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask 
>>another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said "How 
>>do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we forget the 
>>obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find out, if you 
>>don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?
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Re: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Eddie Bush 

LMAO - she said that?!  LOL ... that will last me THE REST OF THE 
WEEK!!!  I *love* it!!

micael wrote:

> Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are 
> where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He 
> correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected 
> easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask 
> another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said 
> "How do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we 
> forget the obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find 
> out, if you don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?




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RE: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread Galbreath, Mark 

Don't ask me...I still haven't found the "any" key

-Original Message-
From: micael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are 
where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He 
correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected 
easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask 
another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said "How 
do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we forget the 
obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find out, if you 
don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?

At 04:19 PM 9/11/2002 -0300, you wrote:

> there should be an initial email stating where there are 
> tutorials, books, release date :), and etc,
>because there will always ask questions that takes a few seconds on the 
>main website to find the answer :)
>
> at least I havent seen anyone ask where they can download struts
:)
>
>
>At 03:03 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>>That does not mean you can't (at least) go to amazon.com and search for
>>books on "Java Struts."  You were smart enough to subscribe to this list,
>>after all.
>>
>>http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Pat Quinn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:52 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: RE: General Struts Question
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>>
>>i'm a first year uni student actually and i've only been working with java
>>for six weeks actually
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>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >Subject: RE: General Struts Question
>> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:38 -0400
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>> >
>> >
>> >Really! You wonder if these people have jobs. Let's hope not.
>> >
>> >
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>> >"Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2002 02:32:39 PM
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>> >Subject:  RE: General Struts Question
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>> >
>> >STFW, dude.  Don't expect us to do your homework for you.
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
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RE: General Struts Question [LET US BE KINDER AND MORE SOPHISTICATED?]

2002-09-11 Thread micael 

Sometimes we forget how much we know and are not kind to those who are 
where we once were.  There is no point in giving this guy trouble.  He 
correctly identified his question, and he could have been redirected 
easily.  I remember my first day in a programming class.  I had to ask 
another student, a woman, how to turn the computer on.  I simply said "How 
do you turn these on?"  She said "I am MARRIED!"  Sometimes we forget the 
obvious is the hardest thing to find out.  How do you find out, if you 
don't know, how to make a space on the keyboard?

At 04:19 PM 9/11/2002 -0300, you wrote:

> there should be an initial email stating where there are 
> tutorials, books, release date :), and etc,
>because there will always ask questions that takes a few seconds on the 
>main website to find the answer :)
>
> at least I havent seen anyone ask where they can download struts :)
>
>
>At 03:03 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>>That does not mean you can't (at least) go to amazon.com and search for
>>books on "Java Struts."  You were smart enough to subscribe to this list,
>>after all.
>>
>>http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Pat Quinn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:52 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: RE: General Struts Question
>>
>>
>>i'm a first year uni student actually and i've only been working with java
>>for six weeks actually
>>
>>
>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Subject: RE: General Struts Question
>> >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:38 -0400
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Really! You wonder if these people have jobs. Let's hope not.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Galbreath, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2002 02:32:39 PM
>> >
>> >Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List"
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>> >To:   "'Struts Users Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >cc:(bcc: Joseph Sadove/DKBDS USA/DKB)
>> >
>> >Subject:  RE: General Struts Question
>> >
>> >
>> >STFW, dude.  Don't expect us to do your homework for you.
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: Pat Quinn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:25 PM
>> >
>> >Does any know of any good books on struts that are available at the
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