Re: Reasons for using Struts
Am Samstag, 27. September 2003 06:53 schrieb Martin Gainty: To sum it up in short, as this issue has already been dicussed numerous times, and considering you've already been given the appropriate links: the actual question would be whether to use an MVC approach or not. So it's about architecture, not implementation. And then, it makes very much sense to use the MVC design pattern for your web applications. It's not necessary to use Struts in particular, you could also use another framework or code your own. Struts itself uses an action-driven approach and is closely tied to the request-response model of HTTP. Other solutions, like Jakarta Tapestry or Apple WebObjects, for example, are event-driven and emphasize more on (abstract) OO design concepts. As always, both approaches have certain advantages and disadvantages. It's a matter of choice how to deal best with the web tier, after all, and note that the problem domain is limited to that issue in all cases. Then, if you think the action approach is the better solution for your everyday work (which most developers I know of do, too), it would be really hard to code something as powerful and flexible as Struts on your own. In theory, you could roll your own web framework, of course, using plain JSPs and Servlets, if you like, but the real question behind all this is primarily an architectural decision. It would be quite hard to come up with something better than the MVC2 idiom or 'beat' the now time-tested and widely accepted Struts framework in this direction. -- Chris What are the reasons for using Struts? That is what are the Reasons for which Struts would be a more suitable choice than say plain JSP/Servlet? Thanks, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reasons for using Struts
Martin Gainty wrote: What are the reasons for using Struts? That is what are the Reasons for which Struts would be a more suitable choice than say plain JSP/Servlet? In terms of to Model 2 or not to Model 2, here are some oldies but goodies: http://www.servlets.com/soapbox/problems-jsp.html http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-12-1999/jw-12-ssj-jspmvc.html It's really a question of whether you're writing a simple throwaway application or a complex enterprise application that needs to maintained over time. Or, to use a simile, do you need a Walkman or a surround sound stereo system? As mentioned, there are several MVC/Model 2 frameworks. There's a nice round up here: http://barracudamvc.org/Barracuda/docs/landscape.html And there is also the WAFER project: http://www.waferproject.org/index.html -Ted. -- Ted Husted, Junit in Action - http://www.manning.com/massol/, Struts in Action - http://husted.com/struts/book.html, JSP Site Design - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1861005512. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reasons for using Struts
My ultimate goal is to explore reasons to re-architect existing JSP/Servlet to MVC (Struts) One of the issues the current site is experiencing is poor performance I will check out the links supplied here Many thanks to Christian and Ted for their insight into MVC Thanks, Vielen Dank, Martin - Original Message - From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Reasons for using Struts Martin Gainty wrote: What are the reasons for using Struts? That is what are the Reasons for which Struts would be a more suitable choice than say plain JSP/Servlet? In terms of to Model 2 or not to Model 2, here are some oldies but goodies: http://www.servlets.com/soapbox/problems-jsp.html http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-12-1999/jw-12-ssj-jspmvc.html It's really a question of whether you're writing a simple throwaway application or a complex enterprise application that needs to maintained over time. Or, to use a simile, do you need a Walkman or a surround sound stereo system? As mentioned, there are several MVC/Model 2 frameworks. There's a nice round up here: http://barracudamvc.org/Barracuda/docs/landscape.html And there is also the WAFER project: http://www.waferproject.org/index.html -Ted. -- Ted Husted, Junit in Action - http://www.manning.com/massol/, Struts in Action - http://husted.com/struts/book.html, JSP Site Design - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1861005512. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reasons for using Struts
Hi, This is a good place to start: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?StrutsBenefits Cheers, -Steve -Original Message- From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Reasons for using Struts What are the reasons for using Struts? That is what are the Reasons for which Struts would be a more suitable choice than say plain JSP/Servlet? Thanks, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reasons for using Struts
I use it because it is much easier to maintain. If the front-end (JSP) needs to be updated only, I can do that without accidentally messing with the underlying business logic. Conversely, if the business rules change (and they always do...), I can change them without worrying about having to change the front end. Recently, It Was Decided that we would all move to MS-SQL as the standard DB. This will be relatively easy, because the DB-accessing code is isolated from the display and control. Cheers, Bryan -Original Message- From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Reasons for using Struts What are the reasons for using Struts? That is what are the Reasons for which Struts would be a more suitable choice than say plain JSP/Servlet? Thanks, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reasons for using Struts
Agreed..modifying one layer while leaving the others in a reliable state is well worth the refactoring effort.. Thanks, -Martin - Original Message - From: Bryan Hanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: RE: Reasons for using Struts I use it because it is much easier to maintain. If the front-end (JSP) needs to be updated only, I can do that without accidentally messing with the underlying business logic. Conversely, if the business rules change (and they always do...), I can change them without worrying about having to change the front end. Recently, It Was Decided that we would all move to MS-SQL as the standard DB. This will be relatively easy, because the DB-accessing code is isolated from the display and control. Cheers, Bryan -Original Message- From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Reasons for using Struts What are the reasons for using Struts? That is what are the Reasons for which Struts would be a more suitable choice than say plain JSP/Servlet? Thanks, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reasons for using Struts
http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/userGuide/introduction.html - Original Message - From: Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 12:53 AM Subject: Reasons for using Struts What are the reasons for using Struts? That is what are the Reasons for which Struts would be a more suitable choice than say plain JSP/Servlet? Thanks, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reasons for using Struts
--- Martin Gainty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the reasons for using Struts? That is what are the Reasons for which Struts would be a more suitable choice than say plain JSP/Servlet? This has been discussed many times on the list so you can find a lot of reasons in the archives. You really can't create a good Java webapp that's bigger than 5 pages without some kind of framework. Struts is the most popular one but there are others out there. David Thanks, Martin __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
