Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread Dan Allen
> > The biggest program is taglibs within logic:iterate if you try something
> > like:
> > 
> >
> > instead of:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > You will find you get a lot fewer blank lines.
> Then you have totally unreadable and unmanageable html.

The key here is using the end carrot trick as mentioned above.  It
seems to me to be the quickest solution to the issue, namely:



But yeah, that is ugly.  The sweetest solution would be to wrap the
whole page in an html tidy taglib which will callback the whole page
into a formatter.  The problem with that is that you lose all output
buffering.

Ideal, the JSP engine would look for a preceding "\n" if it find a
jsp tag and clip it with the jsp tag.  So again, not a struts issue.

Dan

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Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread Daniel Jaffa
Then you have totally unreadable and unmanageable html.


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Subject: RE: unwanted emty lines in produced html


> The biggest program is taglibs within logic:iterate if you try something
> like:
> 
>
> instead of:
> 
> 
> 
>
> You will find you get a lot fewer blank lines.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12 March, 2003 17:41
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html
>
>
> Hundreds of blank lines affect rendering speed of a browser and can affect
> performance of heavily hit sites. Although each line is negligible with
> thousands of users you end up paying for the extra bandwidth.
>
> Plus browsers still have some quirks with blank lines. I.e. it can make an
> image look misaligned or cause a link's underline to extend beyong the
text.
>
> BAL
>
> >From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html
> >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:24:57 -0700
> >
> >How are empty lines affecting the display of the html?  AFAIK, browsers
> >ignore blank lines.
> >
> >David
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Igor Lyubimov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: unwanted emty lines in produced html
> >>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:17:07 +0100
> >>
> >>Hallo!
> >>
> >>I use struts-tiles framework for my web application.
> >>
> >>When I look in produced html code, I see wery much empty lines. In this
> >>case I become broken design. (Some divs have incorrect size, table cells
> >>are broken etc.)
> >>
> >>As I understand this problem, this emty lines are produced by embedded
> >>java statements and struts/tiles tags like:
> >>
> >><% ... %>
> >><%@ ... %>
> >>...
> >>
> >>
> >>So, how can I control the output? I need to be able to use in my code
> >>constructions (as stated above) and I do not like to have one emty line
> >>per construction. I do not like to have very long lines in my code too.
> >>
> >>Have anybody solution for this problem?
> >>
> >>Thanks a lot,
> >>
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RE: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread du Plessis, Corneil C
The biggest program is taglibs within logic:iterate if you try something
like:


instead of:




You will find you get a lot fewer blank lines.

-Original Message-
From: Brian Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html


Hundreds of blank lines affect rendering speed of a browser and can affect 
performance of heavily hit sites. Although each line is negligible with 
thousands of users you end up paying for the extra bandwidth.

Plus browsers still have some quirks with blank lines. I.e. it can make an 
image look misaligned or cause a link's underline to extend beyong the text.

BAL

>From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html
>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:24:57 -0700
>
>How are empty lines affecting the display of the html?  AFAIK, browsers 
>ignore blank lines.
>
>David
>
>
>
>>From: Igor Lyubimov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: unwanted emty lines in produced html
>>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:17:07 +0100
>>
>>Hallo!
>>
>>I use struts-tiles framework for my web application.
>>
>>When I look in produced html code, I see wery much empty lines. In this 
>>case I become broken design. (Some divs have incorrect size, table cells 
>>are broken etc.)
>>
>>As I understand this problem, this emty lines are produced by embedded 
>>java statements and struts/tiles tags like:
>>
>><% ... %>
>><%@ ... %>
>>...
>>
>>
>>So, how can I control the output? I need to be able to use in my code 
>>constructions (as stated above) and I do not like to have one emty line 
>>per construction. I do not like to have very long lines in my code too.
>>
>>Have anybody solution for this problem?
>>
>>Thanks a lot,
>>
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RE: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread Witbeck, Shane
http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs/doc/regexp-doc/intro.html

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Witbeck, Shane wrote:
> If you are really anal ;) about line breaks, etc. you could use the
regular
> expression tablib to get rid of them by wrapping each JSP. Im sure there
is
> a performance hit with this but it saves you from having to change every
> line of source in the JSPs. 

What is 'regular expression tablib' where can I read about this?

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Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread Igor Lyubimov


Witbeck, Shane wrote:
If you are really anal ;) about line breaks, etc. you could use the regular
expression tablib to get rid of them by wrapping each JSP. Im sure there is
a performance hit with this but it saves you from having to change every
line of source in the JSPs. 
What is 'regular expression tablib' where can I read about this?

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RE: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread Brian Lee
When you pay by the Gig and you just spent an extra couple grand because of 
the thousands of line breaks in your app it comes into effect.

I'm waiting for the app servers to have a "suppress carriage return" setting 
or something like that. ColdFusion used to have something like this (didn't 
work very well).

But a smart way to get rid of carriage returns would be to make sure your 
jsp is valid xhtml then run it through a formatter to remove carriage 
returns between tags as part of your build process.

BAL

From: "Witbeck, Shane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: unwanted emty lines in produced html
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:49:57 -0500
If you are really anal ;) about line breaks, etc. you could use the regular
expression tablib to get rid of them by wrapping each JSP. Im sure there is
a performance hit with this but it saves you from having to change every
line of source in the JSPs.
Shane

-Original Message-
From: Brian Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html
Hundreds of blank lines affect rendering speed of a browser and can affect
performance of heavily hit sites. Although each line is negligible with
thousands of users you end up paying for the extra bandwidth.
Plus browsers still have some quirks with blank lines. I.e. it can make an
image look misaligned or cause a link's underline to extend beyong the 
text.

BAL

>From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html
>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:24:57 -0700
>
>How are empty lines affecting the display of the html?  AFAIK, browsers
>ignore blank lines.
>
>David
>
>
>
>>From: Igor Lyubimov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: unwanted emty lines in produced html
>>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:17:07 +0100
>>
>>Hallo!
>>
>>I use struts-tiles framework for my web application.
>>
>>When I look in produced html code, I see wery much empty lines. In this
>>case I become broken design. (Some divs have incorrect size, table cells
>>are broken etc.)
>>
>>As I understand this problem, this emty lines are produced by embedded
>>java statements and struts/tiles tags like:
>>
>><% ... %>
>><%@ ... %>
>>...
>>
>>
>>So, how can I control the output? I need to be able to use in my code
>>constructions (as stated above) and I do not like to have one emty line
>>per construction. I do not like to have very long lines in my code too.
>>
>>Have anybody solution for this problem?
>>
>>Thanks a lot,
>>
>>--
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Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread Igor Lyubimov


James Mitchell wrote:
I guess you could also use a filter to catch and format/filter out
unwanted characters.
Which filter do you mean? (Excuse me, for this question, but I'm newbie 
whith this framework) Where can I find info about format/filter?

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RE: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread Witbeck, Shane
If you are really anal ;) about line breaks, etc. you could use the regular
expression tablib to get rid of them by wrapping each JSP. Im sure there is
a performance hit with this but it saves you from having to change every
line of source in the JSPs. 

Shane

-Original Message-
From: Brian Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html


Hundreds of blank lines affect rendering speed of a browser and can affect 
performance of heavily hit sites. Although each line is negligible with 
thousands of users you end up paying for the extra bandwidth.

Plus browsers still have some quirks with blank lines. I.e. it can make an 
image look misaligned or cause a link's underline to extend beyong the text.

BAL

>From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html
>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:24:57 -0700
>
>How are empty lines affecting the display of the html?  AFAIK, browsers 
>ignore blank lines.
>
>David
>
>
>
>>From: Igor Lyubimov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: unwanted emty lines in produced html
>>Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:17:07 +0100
>>
>>Hallo!
>>
>>I use struts-tiles framework for my web application.
>>
>>When I look in produced html code, I see wery much empty lines. In this 
>>case I become broken design. (Some divs have incorrect size, table cells 
>>are broken etc.)
>>
>>As I understand this problem, this emty lines are produced by embedded 
>>java statements and struts/tiles tags like:
>>
>><% ... %>
>><%@ ... %>
>>...
>>
>>
>>So, how can I control the output? I need to be able to use in my code 
>>constructions (as stated above) and I do not like to have one emty line 
>>per construction. I do not like to have very long lines in my code too.
>>
>>Have anybody solution for this problem?
>>
>>Thanks a lot,
>>
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Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread David Graham
Unfortunately, I think this is a JSP compiler problem and not a Struts 
specific problem.

David



From: "Brian Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:41:19 -0500
Hundreds of blank lines affect rendering speed of a browser and can affect 
performance of heavily hit sites. Although each line is negligible with 
thousands of users you end up paying for the extra bandwidth.

Plus browsers still have some quirks with blank lines. I.e. it can make an 
image look misaligned or cause a link's underline to extend beyong the 
text.

BAL

From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:24:57 -0700
How are empty lines affecting the display of the html?  AFAIK, browsers 
ignore blank lines.

David



From: Igor Lyubimov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: unwanted emty lines in produced html
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:17:07 +0100
Hallo!

I use struts-tiles framework for my web application.

When I look in produced html code, I see wery much empty lines. In this 
case I become broken design. (Some divs have incorrect size, table cells 
are broken etc.)

As I understand this problem, this emty lines are produced by embedded 
java statements and struts/tiles tags like:

<% ... %>
<%@ ... %>
...

So, how can I control the output? I need to be able to use in my code 
constructions (as stated above) and I do not like to have one emty line 
per construction. I do not like to have very long lines in my code too.

Have anybody solution for this problem?

Thanks a lot,

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Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread Brian Lee
Hundreds of blank lines affect rendering speed of a browser and can affect 
performance of heavily hit sites. Although each line is negligible with 
thousands of users you end up paying for the extra bandwidth.

Plus browsers still have some quirks with blank lines. I.e. it can make an 
image look misaligned or cause a link's underline to extend beyong the text.

BAL

From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:24:57 -0700
How are empty lines affecting the display of the html?  AFAIK, browsers 
ignore blank lines.

David



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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:17:07 +0100
Hallo!

I use struts-tiles framework for my web application.

When I look in produced html code, I see wery much empty lines. In this 
case I become broken design. (Some divs have incorrect size, table cells 
are broken etc.)

As I understand this problem, this emty lines are produced by embedded 
java statements and struts/tiles tags like:

<% ... %>
<%@ ... %>
...

So, how can I control the output? I need to be able to use in my code 
constructions (as stated above) and I do not like to have one emty line 
per construction. I do not like to have very long lines in my code too.

Have anybody solution for this problem?

Thanks a lot,

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RE: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread James Mitchell
I have gotten around this by reworking my jsp tags and taglibs


<%  some script here %>


(with that, there are 3 line breaks, more for iteration)

Becomes

<%  some script here 
%>

(this will only have 1 line break, at the end of the last tag)


I guess you could also use a filter to catch and format/filter out
unwanted characters.

Good Luck!!


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> Subject: unwanted emty lines in produced html
> 
> 
> Hallo!
> 
> I use struts-tiles framework for my web application.
> 
> When I look in produced html code, I see wery much empty 
> lines. In this 
> case I become broken design. (Some divs have incorrect size, 
> table cells 
> are broken etc.)
> 
> As I understand this problem, this emty lines are produced by 
> embedded 
> java statements and struts/tiles tags like:
> 
> <% ... %>
> <%@ ... %>
> ...
> 
> 
> So, how can I control the output? I need to be able to use in my code 
> constructions (as stated above) and I do not like to have one 
> emty line 
> per construction. I do not like to have very long lines in my 
> code too.
> 
> Have anybody solution for this problem?
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> 
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Re: unwanted emty lines in produced html

2003-03-12 Thread David Graham
How are empty lines affecting the display of the html?  AFAIK, browsers 
ignore blank lines.

David



From: Igor Lyubimov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: unwanted emty lines in produced html
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:17:07 +0100
Hallo!

I use struts-tiles framework for my web application.

When I look in produced html code, I see wery much empty lines. In this 
case I become broken design. (Some divs have incorrect size, table cells 
are broken etc.)

As I understand this problem, this emty lines are produced by embedded java 
statements and struts/tiles tags like:

<% ... %>
<%@ ... %>
...

So, how can I control the output? I need to be able to use in my code 
constructions (as stated above) and I do not like to have one emty line per 
construction. I do not like to have very long lines in my code too.

Have anybody solution for this problem?

Thanks a lot,

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