Re: still Beta 2

[Hartley Horwitz]

My wife and I have done some basic testing on the latest beta.  Testing has
been limited to downloading new dives (on USB), editing the dives, adding
photos, equipments, tags etc.No testing of the Facebook features or
printing.

My wife's setup: Mac OS Sierra, Oceanic Pro Plus 3. Local file storage.
My setup:  Windows, Sherwood Wisdom 1. Cloud file storage.  I also use the
Subsurface IOS App and I've been able to confirm my new dives show up.

We haven't played around with the planner on the latest beta. I did so in
November but that was on an older build.

Hartley
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Re: still Beta 2

[Dirk Hohndel]

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Richard DePas  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:33 AM Dirk Hohndel  > wrote:
> ...could you test things like printing, Facebook connection, upload/download 
> from Divelogs.de, connection to the Subsurface cloud, the Subsurface web 
> service (for GPS locations), overall UI interactions, etc?
> 
> Facebook sharing is working fine. Guess if I had to suggest one thing is that 
> when one of the ckeckbox options is chosen, it doesn't wipe out what has been 
> typed in the box to the right manually. I thought it would append and not 
> wipe out my comments.

It's pretty hard to do that right. Because we'd have to figure out which of the 
text 
is ours, which is your, and how to merge them. Think about a "just append" 
version... and then the user clicks a few options on and off and on and off. 
So that clearly isn't a good solution... what we do now is maybe slightly 
annoying, 
but at least it gives you easy to understand results. And give how little that 
feature 
appears to be used (we get maybe a handful of hits on the FB API a week), I 
don't want to invest too much work into it.

> I cannot find an option to upload to Divelogs.de. I see the option to import 
> from, but no way to save/export to.
> 
> Connection to Subsurface cloud appears to be working well. I was able to 
> access all my dives through the web service. Only anomaly I noticed is all 
> values are Imperial except for temperature.

Hmm. Interesting. I noticed some oddities with units as well, but didn't follow 
up.
It should pick the units you used the last time you saved to the cloud. Could 
someone play with this and try to figure out the pattern of what it's getting 
wrong?

> I use Imperial in Subsurface desktop. GPS locations are being saved fine and 
> bring up Google Maps when clicked on.
> 
> UI interactions are working as expected. I haven't been taking pictures 
> lately. Not able to test that functionality.
> 
> Printing is working. Little nit-picky is the drop down menu when selecting 
> the layout, it would make a little more logical sense to display One Dive, 
> Two Dives, Six Dives,... in sequential order.

That's alphabetical, isn't it?

/D

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Re: still Beta 2

[Dirk Hohndel]

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 1:39 AM, Anton Lundin  wrote:
> 
> Did some bt-testing with a OSTC4 and it mostly worked. This was with
> pre-built Qt5.7 binaries, and bluez 5.41. (Ubuntu 16.10)
> 
> The firmware upgrade check code I blindly wrote didn't work, due to the
> version number format, but I'll fix that.
> 
> About half of the strings we emit from the OSTC4 are bogus, so I'll
> need do send some patches for that to.

Good thing we are catching this before release!

> I'll see if I can find a Windows machine to test some bt stuff on to.

Excellent. That's the main platform our users are on after all.

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Re: still Beta 2

[Miika Turkia]

> On 8 Jan 2017, at 18.02, Richard DePas  wrote:
> .
> 
> I cannot find an option to upload to Divelogs.de. I see the option to import 
> from, but no way to save/export to.

It is the normal export dialog, ctrl-e as keyboard shotcut. Not sure about the 
menu entry but should be easy enough to spot when you know what you are looking 
for...

miika
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Re: still Beta 2

[Richard DePas]

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:33 AM Dirk Hohndel  wrote:

> ...could you test things like printing, Facebook connection,
> upload/download from Divelogs.de, connection to the Subsurface cloud, the
> Subsurface web service (for GPS locations), overall UI interactions, etc?
>
>
Facebook sharing is working fine. Guess if I had to suggest one thing is
that when one of the ckeckbox options is chosen, it doesn't wipe out what
has been typed in the box to the right manually. I thought it would append
and not wipe out my comments.

I cannot find an option to upload to Divelogs.de. I see the option to
import from, but no way to save/export to.

Connection to Subsurface cloud appears to be working well. I was able to
access all my dives through the web service. Only anomaly I noticed is all
values are Imperial except for temperature. I use Imperial in Subsurface
desktop. GPS locations are being saved fine and bring up Google Maps when
clicked on.

UI interactions are working as expected. I haven't been taking pictures
lately. Not able to test that functionality.

Printing is working. Little nit-picky is the drop down menu when selecting
the layout, it would make a little more logical sense to display One Dive,
Two Dives, Six Dives,... in sequential order.

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Re: still Beta 2

[Anton Lundin]

On 06 January, 2017 - Dirk Hohndel wrote:

> 
> If I look at the backend server reports (which aren't perfect, but a fairly 
> decent 
> approximation of the number of people we have using each version), the numbers
> for Beta 2 are not encouraging...
> 
> For reference, we have about 10k users, 2/3 on Windows, just over a 1/5 on 
> Mac, 
> the rest on Linux (I'm not counting Subsurface-mobile here, just Subsurface).
> 
> For Beta 2 we have fewer than 30 reports on the server, only 12 from Windows 
> and 5  from Mac; at this sample size, the developers on Linux surpass the 
> Windows users.
> 
> I.e., this is pretty much untested on the platforms that 85% our users are on.
> 
> Not sure what to do about that :-(
> 

Did some bt-testing with a OSTC4 and it mostly worked. This was with
pre-built Qt5.7 binaries, and bluez 5.41. (Ubuntu 16.10)

The firmware upgrade check code I blindly wrote didn't work, due to the
version number format, but I'll fix that.

About half of the strings we emit from the OSTC4 are bogus, so I'll
need do send some patches for that to.


I'll see if I can find a Windows machine to test some bt stuff on to.



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Re: still Beta 2

[Rick Walsh]

On 8 January 2017 at 17:38, Dirk Hohndel  wrote:

>
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Rick Walsh  wrote:
>
>
>> Have you ever talked to Jef about this? Because I'm sure he'd be willing
>> to help figure this out.
>>
>> I haven't, mostly because it's my backup computer, so I don't care
> personally, but I suppose it would be good for completeness.  I downloaded
> the dives with the Hollis software, and the ceiling and deco time are
> recorded there, as well as the dive being tagged as "violation", so the
> computer is capable of transferring the data.  I'll send Jef an email
> directly.
>
>
> Excellent. We haven't merged the very latest libdivecomputer into the
> Subsurface-branch, yet - Linus and I decided to do that after the 4.6
> release (which I hope to do in the next week or two).
>
> That all worked fine.  I noticed when viewing the dive details on
>> cloud.subsurface-divelog.org, the dive notes show all the html tags.
>> Can this be fixed in the cloud backend?
>>
>>
>> And again, I can't reproduce that :-(
>>
> The notes are formatted as html because the dive was merged with a planned
> dive.  Maybe try reproducing like that.
>
>
> I will.
>
> If it helps and you are able, you have my permission to access my cloud
> account.  It's my most recent dive, 7 January 2017.  Alternatively, I can
> export the log and send it to you.
>
>
> For those who are curious - I am of course not storing clear text
> passwords anywhere. So yes, since I control the server I could change the
> password for your account, but then you wouldn't be able to access it. I
> think the easiest would be if you could export that dive as XML and send
> it...
>
> XML of the offending dive is attached.

Cheers,

Rick




  







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Re: website translation help needed [was: Re: still Beta 2]

[Salvador Cuñat]

Hi Dirk,

On Sat, Jan 07, 2017 at 01:34:47PM -0800, Dirk Hohndel wrote:
> 
> We now should have a News section in every language. Native speakers, please 
> check my translations. This isn't available in the github repo - just send me 
> a better 
> translation for the term "News" and I'll edit the category name in your 
> language
> 
Yes, that "uncategorized" item was pretty strange. And modifying it
in Wp unintuitive (if one is not fluid with the tool).

> > Then maybe also mention the availability of beta version and also of daily 
> > builds in the "Download" section (for every language!) or maybe even under 
> > "Home".
> 
> I'll add it to the Home page. Again, this needs to be translated. Here pull 
> requests are welcome :-)
> 

I've put a pull request with your recent addition to faq, to test
github -> Wp syncing.
Tracking changes in github seems much easier than in the web page, and
translating in an text editor much more than on that divi thing :-)

Regards.

Salva.
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Re: still Beta 2

[Dirk Hohndel]

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:40 AM, Dirk Hohndel  wrote:
>> I didn't recognize up to now that it's possible to switch off the reminder. 
>> I personally wouldn't like to do this.
>> Meanwhile it came to my mind that changing the update reminder in a way that 
>> it also shows a possible beta version would be already an improvement. 
>> But if you are right and most people switch this off it's really useless.
> 
> I don't think it's useless. And I think it's something I can actually change 
> on the backend... let me tinker with this :-)


Based on Stefan's smart suggestion I added some code to the backend. Please 
manually 
check for an update on Windows or Mac from within 4.5.6 (or an earlier RELEASE 
binary). 
You should learn that you are running the latest release AND get a pointer to 
the latest beta...

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Re: still Beta 2

[Dirk Hohndel]

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Stefan Fuchs  wrote:
>>> maybe the best thing you can do quickly was sending this mail ;-)
>>> But how many users do really read the mailing list?
>> I also posted to Facebook, where we usually get a few thousand impressions 
>> (but the Beta 2 announcement plus reminder only got a combined 400 so far)
> I see your point. I - as usually - completely ignored the existence and 
> possible importance of Facebook.
> So then maybe no one interested in scuba diving related stuff at the moment. 
> Everyone skiing?! Yesterday at Überlingen they also had less divers than 
> expected...

There is that, of course. In the northern hemisphere there may be some people 
who have not been diving in the last ten days... hard to imagine, but likely 
true...
Still, they should be THINKING about diving. And about testing Subsurface.

>>> Then maybe also mention the availability of beta version and also of daily 
>>> builds in the "Download" section (for every language!) or maybe even under 
>>> "Home".
>>> 
>>> In the future would it be possible to use two different update channels 
>>> (release, beta) like Mozilla is doing for Firefox and Thunderbird?
>> I'm not even sure how this would work, but that said, the VAST majority of 
>> our users turns off the update reminder. So I don't think that's an option.
> I didn't recognize up to now that it's possible to switch off the reminder. I 
> personally wouldn't like to do this.
> Meanwhile it came to my mind that changing the update reminder in a way that 
> it also shows a possible beta version would be already an improvement. 
> But if you are right and most people switch this off it's really useless.

I don't think it's useless. And I think it's something I can actually change on 
the backend... let me tinker with this :-)

>>> BTW: I'm running 4.6 beta 2 on Windows and just a few minutes ago imported 
>>> my last dive from Lake Konstanz from yesterday! ;-)
>> Excellent. Which dive computer are you using?
> I'm using an "old" OSTC 2N. 

OK, so that's a USB device, not BT. One of my concerns is our BT support - I'm 
hoping that the newer version of Qt that I switched to won't give us any 
regressions, but of course you never know...

> I was mainly focusing on the planner during the last days because as you know 
> there were a few fixes done. Beside this I also use the cloud storage 
> meanwhile and I'm able to push my dives into the cloud and then see them on 
> subsurface-mobile on a iPad.
> At the moment I just wonder what Robert, Tomaz and you are discussing about 
> planner preferences but as usually I don't understand anything. I would 
> volunteer to test any upcoming change in the planner again because I love the 
> planner and it's important for me that it works fine.

I think the preferences bug should be fixed now. There was an odd interaction 
between the deco algorithm set in the planner and set in the dive log. We track 
those separately, but there was a situation where the wrong preference could 
end up being used.

Thanks for all your help testing this. Very much appreciated.

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Re: still Beta 2

[Dirk Hohndel]

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:54 AM, Richard DePas  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:33 AM Dirk Hohndel  > wrote:
> I believe the Perdix AI is not supported, yet. I have talked to Shearwater in 
> order
> to get one, but they are low on stock.
> 
> Do you still have your Petrel? Could you test with that? Also, could you test 
> things
> like printing, Facebook connection, upload/download from Divelogs.de, 
> connection
> to the Subsurface cloud, the Subsurface web service (for GPS locations), 
> overall
> UI interactions, etc?
> 
> 
> I do not have my Petrel any longer. Used the funds from that to help pay for 
> the new toy.

Understandable. I may be one of the small group of people who have seen too many
dive computers fail so I always dive with at least two computers...

> I can use my current logs to test much of the other functionality. Not sure 
> what my issues it with subsurface-mobile on my android based Samsung S7, but 
> I have not been able to connect to the cloud service since moving to that 
> phone. Using the same password as I am from the desktop version but it won't 
> connect. Haven't spent any real time troubleshooting that.

Any testing you can do is welcome.
WRT the S7, after you try to connect to the cloud, what does it tell you in 
Developer->AppLog? 
Scroll all the way to the bottom and send me a screenshot :-)

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Re: still Beta 2

[Richard DePas]

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:33 AM Dirk Hohndel  wrote:

> I believe the Perdix AI is not supported, yet. I have talked to Shearwater
> in order
> to get one, but they are low on stock.
>
> Do you still have your Petrel? Could you test with that? Also, could you
> test things
> like printing, Facebook connection, upload/download from Divelogs.de,
> connection
> to the Subsurface cloud, the Subsurface web service (for GPS locations),
> overall
> UI interactions, etc?
>
>
I do not have my Petrel any longer. Used the funds from that to help pay
for the new toy.

I can use my current logs to test much of the other functionality. Not sure
what my issues it with subsurface-mobile on my android based Samsung S7,
but I have not been able to connect to the cloud service since moving to
that phone. Using the same password as I am from the desktop version but it
won't connect. Haven't spent any real time troubleshooting that.

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Re: still Beta 2

[Dirk Hohndel]

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Richard DePas  wrote:
> 
> I would love to test Beta 2 but I cannot get my Shearwater Perdix AI to 
> connect. I created a bug report/feature enhancement but haven't heard 
> anything. Just upgraded from the Petrel so I don't know if it is supported in 
> Subsurface.

I believe the Perdix AI is not supported, yet. I have talked to Shearwater in 
order
to get one, but they are low on stock.

Do you still have your Petrel? Could you test with that? Also, could you test 
things
like printing, Facebook connection, upload/download from Divelogs.de, connection
to the Subsurface cloud, the Subsurface web service (for GPS locations), overall
UI interactions, etc?

/D


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Re: still Beta 2

[Richard DePas]

I would love to test Beta 2 but I cannot get my Shearwater Perdix AI to
connect. I created a bug report/feature enhancement but haven't heard
anything. Just upgraded from the Petrel so I don't know if it is supported
in Subsurface.

"Dirk Hohndel" wrote:


I.e., this is pretty much untested on the platforms that 85% our users are
on.
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Re: still Beta 2

[Dirk Hohndel]

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 2:36 AM, Stefan Fuchs  wrote:
> 
> Hello Dirk,
> 
> maybe the best thing you can do quickly was sending this mail ;-)
> But how many users do really read the mailing list?

I also posted to Facebook, where we usually get a few thousand impressions (but 
the Beta 2 announcement plus reminder only got a combined 400 so far)

> Where I see some room for improvement is the Subsurface homepage. The "News" 
> section is currently only updated in the English version. Many other 
> languages don't even have a real "News" section but this is called 
> differently like "Unkategorisiert" in the German version and it's not up to 
> date. What one could do as a quick change is to link the English "News" 
> section from every language version.'

That's how it's supposed to work. I need to figure out why it isn't. Of course 
now that the Webpage data is in github, it would be easy enough for people here 
to submit translations for the website (hint-hint)

> Then maybe also mention the availability of beta version and also of daily 
> builds in the "Download" section (for every language!) or maybe even under 
> "Home".
> 
> In the future would it be possible to use two different update channels 
> (release, beta) like Mozilla is doing for Firefox and Thunderbird?

I'm not even sure how this would work, but that said, the VAST majority of our 
users turns off the update reminder. So I don't think that's an option.

> BTW: I'm running 4.6 beta 2 on Windows and just a few minutes ago imported my 
> last dive from Lake Konstanz from yesterday! ;-)

Excellent. Which dive computer are you using?

/D
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