Re: [sugar] [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk
> Definitely a problem. We are thinking about having a landing page > similar to the one in http://www.eclipse.org/ that hopefully will give > a way for everybody to find how to better interact with us depending > on their role. The idea is that a prospecting developer would just > click on one of those icons and would find a simple explanation of the > first concepts that need to be grabbed in order to move forward. How > does that sound? > >> olpc-dev list emails are kind of over my head > > Yeah, we should understand better this issue. Is a coder-newbies > mailing list a valid suggestion? Hmmm, I think we should not split those up. In my opinion all we can do, is to point out clearly that all contributions and questions as easy or as hard they are, are valid and welcome. We all started there, and I understand it is not always easy to ask 'stupid' questions, but I think it is important to produce a culture and atmosphere where this is possible. So I argue, to please use sugar-devel for those discussions. Simon ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Activity updates in joyride (was Re: TurtleArt-18)
Actually, there currently is *no way* to update the wiki with the latest version of any G1G1 activity *without* affecting the "pegged" version. I repeatedly pinged the OLPC list but everyone seems to busy to fix the wiki (and some of the relevant pages pages are locked). The page that 8.2 laptops are updating from is http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 As you can see this incorrectly points to the *latest* version of each activity in the G1G1 set. It should point to the *8.2* version of each activity. To see the mess, click on the "edit" link of any activity there and then on "what links here". - Bert - On 24.11.2008, at 03:33, Gary C Martin wrote: > Not meaning to pull Walter up on this, but... > > Are the Acitivity wiki pages still not getting version updated (yes I > know it's a complicated undocumented mess of wiki spaghetti that no > one has bothered telling the community about)? There's a whole bunch > of activity releases that have floated by the last ~4 weeks or so with > almost no one tweaking the auto-update pages :-( > > --Gary (much looking forward to a useful auto-update feature) > > P.S. if it is genuinely too much to fight your way through the wiki > cruft, please do privately ping me with your activity v update xo > bundle link + the release it's been tested with. I'll gladly go try > update/create the relevant wiki pages and insert red hot pokers where > necessary (genuine, one time offer)... and I'll even test the change > correctly auto installs on XOs running 767-8.2 (but I can't do joyride > only stuff, having no access to jhbuilds). > > On 23 Nov 2008, at 23:40, Walter Bender wrote: > >> Announcing TurtleArt 18: >> >> .XO: >> http://sugarlabs.org/wiki/images/1/1c/TurtleArt-18.xo >> SOURCE: >> http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/TurtleArt/ >> TurtleArt-16.tar.bz2 >> >> >> Turtle Art has been rebased to use SVG instead of GIF. I made the >> change in order to make it easier to localize. The other changes >> include Finnish language support and improved support for varying >> screen sizes. >> >> Localization teams: please review the translations and report any >> errors or omissions. >> >> -walter >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> ___ >> Sugar mailing list >> Sugar@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar > > ___ > Sugar mailing list > Sugar@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Differents behaviours of my application
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 17:43, Aleix Palet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, but which command do you use to create the wrapper?? I don't know what > to put in the: > python buildskel.py -n JClic -t JClic -t "JCLic" -m (what should i put > here??) > Because i unferstand it when you create a game with a "main" funcion, but > when there is no main?? (only __init__, read_file, write_file as a sugar > activity) > and in the activity.info file, do I have to put som special line?? like the > "class" line?? or the "exec" line?? > Thanks! Take a look at the source of Productive: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Games/Productive - this was written by Mike Fletcher who most recently maintained the pygame olpcgames wrapper, so it should be the most up to date example of using it. Regards Morgan ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Activity updates in joyride (was Re: TurtleArt-18)
I did update the link in w.l.o/go/Activities/All but I actually was hoping for some testing on this rather major intervention before it became the defacto version for G1G1.2. I don't know the wiki magic regarding controlling which version is included in the updates. -walter On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, there currently is *no way* to update the wiki with the latest > version of any G1G1 activity *without* affecting the "pegged" version. I > repeatedly pinged the OLPC list but everyone seems to busy to fix the wiki > (and some of the relevant pages pages are locked). > > The page that 8.2 laptops are updating from is > >http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/8.2 > > As you can see this incorrectly points to the *latest* version of each > activity in the G1G1 set. It should point to the *8.2* version of each > activity. To see the mess, click on the "edit" link of any activity there > and then on "what links here". > > - Bert - > > On 24.11.2008, at 03:33, Gary C Martin wrote: > >> Not meaning to pull Walter up on this, but... >> >> Are the Acitivity wiki pages still not getting version updated (yes I >> know it's a complicated undocumented mess of wiki spaghetti that no >> one has bothered telling the community about)? There's a whole bunch >> of activity releases that have floated by the last ~4 weeks or so with >> almost no one tweaking the auto-update pages :-( >> >> --Gary (much looking forward to a useful auto-update feature) >> >> P.S. if it is genuinely too much to fight your way through the wiki >> cruft, please do privately ping me with your activity v update xo >> bundle link + the release it's been tested with. I'll gladly go try >> update/create the relevant wiki pages and insert red hot pokers where >> necessary (genuine, one time offer)... and I'll even test the change >> correctly auto installs on XOs running 767-8.2 (but I can't do joyride >> only stuff, having no access to jhbuilds). >> >> On 23 Nov 2008, at 23:40, Walter Bender wrote: >> >>> Announcing TurtleArt 18: >>> >>> .XO: >>> http://sugarlabs.org/wiki/images/1/1c/TurtleArt-18.xo >>> SOURCE: >>> http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/TurtleArt/TurtleArt-16.tar.bz2 >>> >>> >>> Turtle Art has been rebased to use SVG instead of GIF. I made the >>> change in order to make it easier to localize. The other changes >>> include Finnish language support and improved support for varying >>> screen sizes. >>> >>> Localization teams: please review the translations and report any >>> errors or omissions. >>> >>> -walter >>> -- >>> Walter Bender >>> Sugar Labs >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>> ___ >>> Sugar mailing list >>> Sugar@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar >> >> ___ >> Sugar mailing list >> Sugar@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar > > > > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] TurtleArt-18
Sorry about the type re 16, 18. The source is http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/TurtleArt/TurtleArt-18.tar.bz2 Regarding the PO files, I actually sent Sayamindu a PO file for a Turtle Art entry in Pootle last night (attached here) along with translations for Spanish, French, Turkish, Mongolian, and Finnish. I use these files to generate the SVGs, which I then hand-tune. -walter On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Chris Leonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Walter, > > I realize now, there would be no PO files for TurtleArt. However, it might > aid localization if a sort of dummy PO file were created to act to collect > strings from localizers via Pootle for later insertion by hand into the SVG, > if only for the purpose of review and approval by a l10n language admin. > > If you have any interest in this, I'd be willing to take a shot at > hand-editing a PO file that could server this purpose. Of course, direct > l10n of the SVG is reasonably easy, so maybe this would be gilding the lily. > > cjl > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org #, fuzzy msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n" "Report-Msgid-Bugs-To: \n" "POT-Creation-Date: 2008-11-17 10:53-0500\n" "PO-Revision-Date: YEAR-MO-DA HO:MI+ZONE\n" "Last-Translator: FULL NAME <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n" "Language-Team: LANGUAGE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n" "MIME-Version: 1.0\n" "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8\n" "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n" "X-Generator: Translate Toolkit 1.0.1\n" #: msgid "Turtle Art" msgstr "" #: msgid "Flow" msgstr "" #: msgid "forever" msgstr "" #: msgid "if" msgstr "" #: msgid "then" msgstr "" #: msgid "else" msgstr "" #: msgid "repeat" msgstr "" #: msgid "stop stack" msgstr "" #: msgid "wait" msgstr "" #: msgid "My Blocks" msgstr "" #: msgid "box 1" msgstr "" #: msgid "box 2" msgstr "" #: msgid "stack 1" msgstr "" #: msgid "stack 2" msgstr "" #: msgid "store in box 1" msgstr "" #: msgid "store in box 2" msgstr "" #: msgid "Numbers" msgstr "" #: msgid "number" msgstr "" #: msgid "and" msgstr "" #: msgid "or" msgstr "" #: msgid "not" msgstr "" #: msgid "random" msgstr "" #: msgid "min" msgstr "" #: msgid "max" msgstr "" #: msgid "mod" msgstr "" #: msgid "print" msgstr "" #: msgid "Pen" msgstr "" #: msgid "color" msgstr "" #: msgid "shade" msgstr "" #: msgid "fill screen" msgstr "" #: msgid "pen up" msgstr "" #: msgid "pen down" msgstr "" #: msgid "set pen size" msgstr "" #: msgid "pen size" msgstr "" #: msgid "set shade" msgstr "" #: msgid "set color" msgstr "" #: msgid "Blocks" msgstr "" #: msgid "Turtle" msgstr "" #: msgid "forward" msgstr "" #: msgid "back" msgstr "" #: msgid "right" msgstr "" #: msgid "left" msgstr "" #: msgid "arc" msgstr "" #: msgid "angle" msgstr "" #: msgid "radius" msgstr "" #: msgid "heading" msgstr "" #: msgid "set heading" msgstr "seth" #: msgid "clean" msgstr "" #: msgid "set xy" msgstr "" #: msgid "x" msgstr "" #: msgid "y" msgstr "" #: msgid "xcor" msgstr "" #: msgid "ycor" msgstr "" ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar used for kids with disabilities.
Another resource: Jutta Treviranus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is also leading an effort to look at Accessibility in the context of Sugar and FLOSS. -walter On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > most of the people in the SugarLabs community is unable to do anything > about OLPC's hardware, but as was commented in this thread, there's > lots of work to do in the software side. > > Perhaps someone will volunteer to lead an Accessibility Team? See > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Teams though right now it's a stub > that needs some love. > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Kevin, Bill and others that emailed me privately >> >> i'll expect to do a little resume of this email for teachers interested. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Kevin Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 18:03, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hello Lately in OLPC-Sur mail list there has been discussions about working with kids with hearing discapacities especially i like one experience in Itagui Colombia: http://inclusion.semitagui.gov.co/index.php?title=Portada other professors in Uruguay are also interested in these matters But my doubt here it's about if are out there studies, thesis, or academic dissertations about how GUIs can have an impact in child's or persons with disabilities not just censorial but also learning disorders. Are there specific studies related to Sugar? IIRC this was previously discussed so any links or pointers are welcomed My intention is to give this feedback to professors on Colombia and Uruguay. >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm at Gallaudet University, which is the only accredited liberal arts >>> university for deaf students world-wide. Many people are unaware that the >>> campus also houses an elementary school and a secondary school for deaf >>> students, as well as a child development center for pre-schoolers. There >>> are a few people on campus interested in finding ways to bring the XO to >>> deaf children in developing countries. I am unaware of any formal studies, >>> but as for large-scale deployments that are probably being studied, see the >>> following article from March 2008, "Illinois School for the Deaf gets free >>> computers" >>> >>> >>> http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/jacksonville_17737___article.html/students_computer.html >>> >>> Be sure to follow the link to "More photos" as well. I don't know how >>> long the article will be available, considering that it was published in >>> March... >>> >>> >>> Also note that Antonio Battro, Chief Education Officer at OLPC has been >>> working with deaf children and computers for to decades in Argentina, (see >>> www.byd.com.ar) and stated a while back "we are planning a program for the >>> deaf in Uruguay with OLPC/CEIBAL"... Are the professors you're talking to >>> already involved with that effort? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Kevin, that's interesting , I'll redirect professors in Uruguay to that >> because i think they are not aware of it, >> >> Thanks again. >> Rafael Ortiz ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar >>> -- >>> Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo >>> Washington, DC >>> http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ >> >> >> ___ >> Sugar mailing list >> Sugar@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar >> >> > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Sugar used for kids with disabilities.
Hi, most of the people in the SugarLabs community is unable to do anything about OLPC's hardware, but as was commented in this thread, there's lots of work to do in the software side. Perhaps someone will volunteer to lead an Accessibility Team? See http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Teams though right now it's a stub that needs some love. Regards, Tomeu On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Kevin, Bill and others that emailed me privately > > i'll expect to do a little resume of this email for teachers interested. > > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Kevin Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 18:03, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> >>> Lately in OLPC-Sur mail list there has been discussions about working >>> with kids with hearing discapacities >>> especially i like one experience in Itagui Colombia: >>> >>> http://inclusion.semitagui.gov.co/index.php?title=Portada >>> >>> other professors in Uruguay are also interested in these matters >>> >>> But my doubt here it's about if are out there studies, thesis, or >>> academic dissertations about how GUIs can have an impact in child's or >>> persons with disabilities not just censorial but also learning disorders. >>> >>> Are there specific studies related to Sugar? >>> >>> IIRC this was previously discussed so any links or pointers are welcomed >>> My intention is to give this feedback to professors on Colombia and >>> Uruguay. >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm at Gallaudet University, which is the only accredited liberal arts >> university for deaf students world-wide. Many people are unaware that the >> campus also houses an elementary school and a secondary school for deaf >> students, as well as a child development center for pre-schoolers. There >> are a few people on campus interested in finding ways to bring the XO to >> deaf children in developing countries. I am unaware of any formal studies, >> but as for large-scale deployments that are probably being studied, see the >> following article from March 2008, "Illinois School for the Deaf gets free >> computers" >> >> >> http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/jacksonville_17737___article.html/students_computer.html >> >> Be sure to follow the link to "More photos" as well. I don't know how >> long the article will be available, considering that it was published in >> March... >> >> >> Also note that Antonio Battro, Chief Education Officer at OLPC has been >> working with deaf children and computers for to decades in Argentina, (see >> www.byd.com.ar) and stated a while back "we are planning a program for the >> deaf in Uruguay with OLPC/CEIBAL"... Are the professors you're talking to >> already involved with that effort? >> >> >> >> >> > > Kevin, that's interesting , I'll redirect professors in Uruguay to that > because i think they are not aware of it, > > Thanks again. > >>> Rafael Ortiz >>> >>> ___ >>> Sugar mailing list >>> Sugar@lists.laptop.org >>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar >>> >> -- >> Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo >> Washington, DC >> http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ > > > ___ > Sugar mailing list > Sugar@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar > > ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Sugar used for kids with disabilities.
Hi, I mistakenly CC'ed rather than BCC'ing in an earlier message in this thread. If you'd kindly edit out the @gallaudet.edu addresses, I'd appreciate it, as none of the folks on that list are at all technical, and wouldn't know Sugar from Salt. ;-) And the likelihood of them signing up for a mailing list, spending time on a wiki or cranking up IRC is next to nil. (I CC'ed them specifically to show that there was, once again, some interest in this technology for deaf students, as they have periodically hinted that they might try to get something going in deaf schools in Costa Rica.) Thanks! ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] gconf woes
Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> As we all know, latest joyride can't launch activities. Chris Ball >> pointed out that disabling rainbow solves the issue. >> >> The problem is that the sugar module imports try to read the XO >> nickname, colours, etc, information which is now stored in gconf. But, >> gconf is a per-user thing, everyone has their own store. Rainbow >> launches activities as different users, so with the default behaviour >> we cannot expect activities to be able to access sugar's >> configuration. >> >> Potential workaround: set ORBIT_SOCKETDIR=/tmp/orbit-olpc in rainbow, >> and loosen permissions on /tmp/orbit-olpc/* >> This works, but causes gconf to complain loudly that /tmp/orbit-olpc >> is not owned by the current user (i.e. the one running the activity) >> >> Tomeu raised the point that GConf2-dbus would solve this, as it >> provides a per-session-bus settings repository, rather than a per-user >> one. Rainbow already shares the session bus between olpc user and >> activities. We actually shipped GConf2-dbus in 8.1, but dropped it for >> 8.2 because at the time, nobody could offer an explanation of why we >> might need or want it. >> Switching back to GConf2-dbus does raise some questions though: >> >> - It looks like a dead project. Not updated since 2.16.0. Do we want >> to be burdened with it? >> miraculously, it compiles and works fine after a BuildRequires tweak: >> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=946380 >> - This still raises questions about our security model, IMO. Rainbow >> prevents activities from messing with 'the rest of the system.' But if >> we let activities access gconf, they can screw up any application that >> stores information there (e.g. sugar). >> - and the above point raises the possibility of a per-activity gconf >> store, with associated gconf daemon, but this adds about 2mb memory >> usage per activity... >> > > > IIRC, the reason we wanted Gconf Dbus was that we wanted to avoid the > dependency on Orbit and the rest of the stuff that it pulls in. Is > there any reason to do otherwise at the moment ? I think upstream > GNOMe has also plans to switch to GConf Dbus[1], but I'm not sure > when. The maemo guys seem to be using GConf Dbus as well. > Thanks, > Sayamindu > > > > [1] http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/plans.html We use gconf-dbus as well in sugar-jhbuild to be able to run several instances (SUGAR_PROFILE=sayamindu2 sugar-emulator) Best, Simon ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Luke Faraone wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:22, Jameson Chema Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 embedding mibbit or cgiirc in our wiki? I'll work on that in [[IRC]], as well as explaining all the different channels. (this will have some duplication from [[olpc:IRC]]) I think Mibbit, while not FOSS, is superior to CGIIRC, and moreover it is externally hosted by a provider known to freenode. Perhaps we should be adding this work item to the TODO for the Wiki team? --g___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Announcing a design roadmap meeting, tentatively scheduled for Wed. Nov. 26th, 1500 UTC
Though it's not part of our usual biweekly cycle, we'd like to hold a meeting this week to lay out a loose roadmap for Sugar in the OLPC 9.1 timeframe, taking into account the discussions from SugarCamp last week. I've posted additional details, including a loose agenda, on the wiki: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DesignTeam/Meetings#Wednesday_November_26.2C_2008_-_15.00_.28UTC.29 In order to have a productive planning discussion, we really need all key sugar developers to participate. If the time or date conflicts, please suggest alternatives. As Thursday is Thanksgiving for many, we'd like to find a time tomorrow or Wed. Thanks! - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Announcing a design roadmap meeting, tentatively scheduled for Wed. Nov. 26th, 1500 UTC
Eben Eliason wrote: > Though it's not part of our usual biweekly cycle, we'd like to hold a > meeting this week to lay out a loose roadmap for Sugar in the OLPC 9.1 > timeframe, taking into account the discussions from SugarCamp last > week. I've posted additional details, including a loose agenda, on > the wiki: > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DesignTeam/Meetings#Wednesday_November_26.2C_2008_-_15.00_.28UTC.29 > In order to have a productive planning discussion, we really need all > key sugar developers to participate. If the time or date conflicts, > please suggest alternatives. Wednesday does work for me. As i have not been at the SugarCamp I am extremely interested in what you came up with those days. As Thursday is Thanksgiving for many, > we'd like to find a time tomorrow or Wed. Thanks! > > - Eben I hope it is Thanksgiving for us as well, Simon ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Definitely a problem. We are thinking about having a landing page >> similar to the one in http://www.eclipse.org/ that hopefully will give >> a way for everybody to find how to better interact with us depending >> on their role. The idea is that a prospecting developer would just >> click on one of those icons and would find a simple explanation of the >> first concepts that need to be grabbed in order to move forward. How >> does that sound? >> >>> olpc-dev list emails are kind of over my head >> >> Yeah, we should understand better this issue. Is a coder-newbies >> mailing list a valid suggestion? > > Hmmm, I think we should not split those up. In my opinion all we can do, > is to point out clearly that all contributions and questions as easy or > as hard they are, are valid and welcome. We all started there, and I > understand it is not always easy to ask 'stupid' questions, but I think > it is important to produce a culture and atmosphere where this is possible. A FAQ will help a lot, particularly if somebody takes ownership and makes sure to capture questions and get answers from the experts. A set of introductory programming manuals on Python, PyGame, SciPy, and Etoys will help more. We can discuss this with FLOSS Manuals. Let Adam Hyde and me know which ones you would like to have, and which ones others ask you for. I am working on creating a newsletter for those interested in joining Sugar work. We have two volunteers so far from Olin Coll. of Eng., motivated by the fact that they can't find the news on OLPC (Who can?) and that they have had difficulties finding out how to participate. Articles on elementary Sugar programming and on opportunities for activities will be welcome, as will progress reports whenever you have a significant accomplishment or need help. I sent over my links to laptop news sources, and some references on a multitude of games that people can program if they like. We will collect many other resources. We will also include suggestions for curriculum, textbooks, and content. The idea is that anybody can participate, because everybody knows something that the children need. In particular we need subject-matter experts (SMEs) in every school subject and every kind of business, research, government, or whatever. Also artists, writers, reviewers, testers, localizers, translators, and so on and on. > So I argue, to please use sugar-devel for those discussions. +1 unless the Sugar Newbies tell us otherwise. We also have other lists appropriate for content and the rest. >Simon > ___ > Sugar mailing list > Sugar@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk
On 24 Nov 2008, at 22:04, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Simon Schampijer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Definitely a problem. We are thinking about having a landing page >>> similar to the one in http://www.eclipse.org/ that hopefully will >>> give >>> a way for everybody to find how to better interact with us depending >>> on their role. The idea is that a prospecting developer would just >>> click on one of those icons and would find a simple explanation of >>> the >>> first concepts that need to be grabbed in order to move forward. How >>> does that sound? >>> olpc-dev list emails are kind of over my head >>> >>> Yeah, we should understand better this issue. Is a coder-newbies >>> mailing list a valid suggestion? >> >> Hmmm, I think we should not split those up. In my opinion all we >> can do, >> is to point out clearly that all contributions and questions as >> easy or >> as hard they are, are valid and welcome. We all started there, and I >> understand it is not always easy to ask 'stupid' questions, but I >> think >> it is important to produce a culture and atmosphere where this is >> possible. > > A FAQ will help a lot, particularly if somebody takes ownership and > makes sure to capture questions and get answers from the experts. > > A set of introductory programming manuals on Python, PyGame, SciPy, > and Etoys will help more. We can discuss this with FLOSS Manuals. Let > Adam Hyde and me know which ones you would like to have, and which > ones others ask you for. Just a nit pick, SciPy is much replaced by Numpy though SciPy still overlaps enough the documentation seems pretty useful. ~Was considering a cellular automata type brick coding activity using numpy, sort of turtleart for arrays, and no turtle. Conway's game of life being the basic starting sampler. --Gary > I am working on creating a newsletter for those interested in joining > Sugar work. We have two volunteers so far from Olin Coll. of Eng., > motivated by the fact that they can't find the news on OLPC (Who can?) > and that they have had difficulties finding out how to participate. > Articles on elementary Sugar programming and on opportunities for > activities will be welcome, as will progress reports whenever you have > a significant accomplishment or need help. I sent over my links to > laptop news sources, and some references on a multitude of games that > people can program if they like. We will collect many other resources. > > We will also include suggestions for curriculum, textbooks, and > content. The idea is that anybody can participate, because everybody > knows something that the children need. In particular we need > subject-matter experts (SMEs) in every school subject and every kind > of business, research, government, or whatever. Also artists, writers, > reviewers, testers, localizers, translators, and so on and on. > >> So I argue, to please use sugar-devel for those discussions. > > +1 unless the Sugar Newbies tell us otherwise. We also have other > lists appropriate for content and the rest. > >> Simon >> ___ >> Sugar mailing list >> Sugar@lists.laptop.org >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar >> > > > > -- > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/ > دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai > ___ > Sugar mailing list > Sugar@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gary C Martin wrote: > Just a nit pick, SciPy is much replaced by Numpy though SciPy still > overlaps enough the documentation seems pretty useful. This is a typo. You mean that Numeric and Numarray are replaced by NumPy. SciPy is NumPy's sister project. NumPy provides fast array primitives for Python, and SciPy uses NumPy to implement a variety of high-level sci/math functions such as clustering, quadrature, maximum entropy methods, and signal processing. - --Ben -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkrTEIACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSLewCeKW4C92DSwpVDPjrTLfO6cWVM CWQAn1adMk0FP59jQf8Nq6U7bTl9WNvj =Js/Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Finding cursors. Ripples in a puddle?
Does anyone else recall recurring debates about cursor size and the effect on one's ability to visually discover the location of a cursor? Yes, there are tradeoffs between simply making cursors larger (easier to discover location) or making cursors smaller (easier to place precisely, eclipses fewer pixels)...especially when the pointing devices are other than by directly touching the display screen. Such is the case with the present XO laptops. To sidestep those debates, I imagine a different way -- one in which cursors could be of any size, color, shape, etc. -- and yet still draw my eye quickly to the locus of the current cursor. VISION: Each time my finger tip lands on the touch pad I see a circular wavefront (on the display, of course) briefly emanating from the point of the cursor. The wave gently fades as it grows and dissipates. Thus, it appears as if the screen is overlaid with a clear puddle and I have lightly touched its surface. The effect could be simulated with a simple ring; probably a simpler and cheaper computation than a "wave" effect. A bitblt series would do. Like ripples in a puddle, the visual effect and conceptual metaphor would seem to draw on nearly universal human experience from early childhood. Of course, the HCI labs around the world could experiment with such effects (if not already) to understand the human factors and optimize the man-machine interface. Meanwhile, it seems worth trying, pragmatically. ;-) Cheers, -Ken Ritchie (Atlanta) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] [IAEP] list of complaints from sugarcamp community building talk
On 25 Nov 2008, at 00:52, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Gary C Martin wrote: >> Just a nit pick, SciPy is much replaced by Numpy though SciPy still >> overlaps enough the documentation seems pretty useful. > > This is a typo. You mean that Numeric and Numarray are replaced by > NumPy. > SciPy is NumPy's sister project. NumPy provides fast array primitives > for Python, and SciPy uses NumPy to implement a variety of high-level > sci/math functions such as clustering, quadrature, maximum entropy > methods, and signal processing. Thanks Ben, yes my apologies for the confusion. I've just re-read the opening chapter to "Guide to NumPy" as a penance (it's all about the dev history, forks, and community splits). --Gary > - --Ben > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkkrTEIACgkQUJT6e6HFtqSLewCeKW4C92DSwpVDPjrTLfO6cWVM > CWQAn1adMk0FP59jQf8Nq6U7bTl9WNvj > =Js/Z > -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
