Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:44:10PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Martin Dengler > wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:50:37PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >> So SoaS, Jaunty packages, and sugar-jhbuild on Jaunty all fail in > >> different ways. Not good. What versions of 0.84 actually work? > > > > SoaS works for me. > > Yes, SoaS Beta, I found out just now, but not the current snapshot. I > am documenting my findings on [[Emulator image files]]. Glad to hear *something* works for you. I'm running a snapshot from last night, so that works for me too. Martin pgpw8Ts9xn1Id.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
Thank you. That makes much more sense now. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:32:34PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >> I'm not clear on the nature of your problem. > > When running Ubuntu Jaunty _within_ KVM (i.e. as a guest, not as a host) the > X server does not work, at least if the "vesa" emulation option is used (to > get screen resolutions > 1024x768 and color depth > 16bit). > >> I have no difficulty running a SoaS image in kvm (apart from broken >> Activities). > > SoaS is based on Fedora 11, not Ubuntu Jaunty, so it does not suffer from > this bug. > >>> Confirmed on amd64. >>> The "vesa" module seems still from a prerelease of xorg (version 1.5.99). >> >> I see xserver-xorg-video-vesa version 1:2.0.0.1ubuntu6 > > That's the same as I have installed, but it still doesn't work, with the > same error message. > > CU Sascha > > -- > http://sascha.silbe.org/ > http://www.infra-silbe.de/ > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ9paIAAoJELpz82VMF3DapukH/jzdzDYBw7DyxMFIu4Wp/78v > 7IEtGkUNowkClxqITGtMcv5Uwd8EKSuOKDnr0IHYkkXDiZB6I4wEydlGdFfgeXZR > 6QnJnDLClZr5HtbryndPtxxjtZPDPT6zA+Dhi6/v9hnvHEuYaCAA0cXnZ7Ge8bMj > 6boDo5gyO0nOoLzB28YkFUiydDdARIn+ndSkZbpgBLSXWEavRDDYokhJkEWh4lXE > Q59IB293ENUClwZo6R1nu3SVQYhlGM66Q/0j20EMurpkRi5MTgDa5rKEqGZuXDVf > K1xVBccomOjarO0HTaesGYPNFcYEmsOhyEvRkCEeidXFLL6IXGxGaurP2BecgI0= > =TB01 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:50:37PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> So SoaS, Jaunty packages, and sugar-jhbuild on Jaunty all fail in >> different ways. Not good. What versions of 0.84 actually work? > > SoaS works for me. Yes, SoaS Beta, I found out just now, but not the current snapshot. I am documenting my findings on [[Emulator image files]]. > Martin > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:32:34PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: I'm not clear on the nature of your problem. When running Ubuntu Jaunty _within_ KVM (i.e. as a guest, not as a host) the X server does not work, at least if the "vesa" emulation option is used (to get screen resolutions > 1024x768 and color depth > 16bit). I have no difficulty running a SoaS image in kvm (apart from broken Activities). SoaS is based on Fedora 11, not Ubuntu Jaunty, so it does not suffer from this bug. Confirmed on amd64. The "vesa" module seems still from a prerelease of xorg (version 1.5.99). I see xserver-xorg-video-vesa version 1:2.0.0.1ubuntu6 That's the same as I have installed, but it still doesn't work, with the same error message. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] The Anatomy of a Karma Lesson
I have annotated the format of the Epaath lessons we have created here in Nepal for the sugar subproject Karma Please check it out: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma:Anatomy_of_a_Karma_Lesson -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] LiveUSB-creator 3.6.5 may fail silently on Windows
In Windows Vista32, I found that LiveUSB-creator 3.6.5 reported success in creating a Sugar Stick from Soas2-200904231400.iso, but the image failed to boot. In Ubuntu 9.04 (Jackalope64) I then tried Sebastien's livecd-iso-to-disk.sh script from 09 April 2009 ( http://people.sugarlabs.org/sdz/livecd-iso-to-disk.sh), on the same .iso file and found that it failed the verify: Soas2-200904231400.iso: 065249f7642bfec4cd0da94aa99e2f8d Fragment sums: f509dc7ac19135f235da547918cc3ee813c47fabc597f96145c5b8727594 Fragment count: 20 Checking: 100.0% The media check is complete, the result is: FAIL. So, some of the SoaS boot problems may be traced to files that may have been corrupted before final use. --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
Since the problem of running Sugar native in Jaunty is xephyr dbus policy and hulahop inevitable out-of synchness with xpcom (as far as I can see from the reporting) is it possible for the Ubuntu packaging gurus to provide a ppa that can be added temporarily to the repository list and have fixed packages for this? If this already has been done, can the proper instructions be sent around? And as for the hulahop problem, isn't there a way around this? It happens constantly. Is the interface changing or just the library name? If the latter, can't there be a configuration string and dynamic linking for do-it-yourself fixing when the next in a continuing chain of Firefox security fixes comes out? On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:50:37PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > So SoaS, Jaunty packages, and sugar-jhbuild on Jaunty all fail in > > different ways. Not good. What versions of 0.84 actually work? > > SoaS works for me. > > Martin > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- "I don't consider him a particularly reliable source of information." -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, at a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting, on former Vice President Dick Cheney. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:50:37PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > So SoaS, Jaunty packages, and sugar-jhbuild on Jaunty all fail in > different ways. Not good. What versions of 0.84 actually work? SoaS works for me. Martin pgpCm4Y72lxgP.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
So SoaS, Jaunty packages, and sugar-jhbuild on Jaunty all fail in different ways. Not good. What versions of 0.84 actually work? On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > FWIW, I have the troubles referred to by Sascha with jhbuild on Jaunty. > > -walter > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Eduardo H. Silva > wrote: >> Oops, I guess you were talking about Soas, not ubuntu jaunty packaged Sugar. >> >> 2009/4/27 Eduardo H. Silva : >>> Another semi-blocker of Sugar in Ubuntu Jaunty, is that >>> "python-hulahop still contains Python 2.5 >>> modules, but Python 2.6 is default in Jaunty's package" which makes >>> Browse not start. >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-hulahop/+bug/364871 >>> >>> 2009/4/27 Edward Cherlin : I'm not clear on the nature of your problem. I have no difficulty running a SoaS image in kvm (apart from broken Activities). http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved/Testing/Soas2-200904231400 I just now confirmed that it runs in Jaunty. I will add details to the page as soon as I can take time away from more pressing matters. From the bug page, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/+bug/356133 KBios wrote on 2009-04-15: >Confirmed on amd64. >The "vesa" module seems still from a prerelease of xorg (version 1.5.99). I see xserver-xorg-video-vesa version 1:2.0.0.1ubuntu6 On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 02:34:21PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >> o The culprit appears to be a security setting in config/dbus that >> prevents Xephyr from accessing the display. Does anybody know where >> this setting is, and what it should say instead? > > I've changed the wiki to remove Ubuntu Jaunty from the list of supported > versions. Will add it back once Xephyr and X inside kvm [1] work (without > the latter I cannot test if Sugar runs properly). > > > [1] > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/+bug/356133 > > CU Sascha > > -- > http://sascha.silbe.org/ > http://www.infra-silbe.de/ > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ9WUUAAoJELpz82VMF3DaJ4YIAI8bsPHxUl3glJhjWRodaTS6 > Ar/f40BtOHuHMOI5aZo9AUjlrB0xJIPtZX0ChyBApDvVDm9GBxZgltlYI7+VLt4E > AmiuCkNp7L+4Yq43Axf1Rz/y8iB2gPAh5eGH+W3ar4zaydai8DxEZA7udKjaRfpz > smdyYAIALdBY6fW1E5Bj+0Cmc1kHarMHBiX6HO5x+7XcjGQ6lDoKi5Iycs/c/Kgy > WuGgEFg8IyJgL0RB3FuQjDExghg3RTAai8ksI+oa2XE8Wz+fx8l8ah/a7ydwwE5W > GI5W+o/C7/0H9v7eYJpB4gBZr8hHgwUPQFxyKhErDe/v/7bbcNFizQI+qLIdhko= > =oMQr > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
Oops, I guess you were talking about Soas, not ubuntu jaunty packaged Sugar. 2009/4/27 Eduardo H. Silva : > Another semi-blocker of Sugar in Ubuntu Jaunty, is that > "python-hulahop still contains Python 2.5 > modules, but Python 2.6 is default in Jaunty's package" which makes > Browse not start. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-hulahop/+bug/364871 > > 2009/4/27 Edward Cherlin : >> I'm not clear on the nature of your problem. I have no difficulty >> running a SoaS image in kvm (apart from broken Activities). >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved/Testing/Soas2-200904231400 >> >> I just now confirmed that it runs in Jaunty. I will add details to the >> page as soon as I can take time away from more pressing matters. >> >> From the bug page, >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/+bug/356133 >> KBios wrote on 2009-04-15: >> >>>Confirmed on amd64. >>>The "vesa" module seems still from a prerelease of xorg (version 1.5.99). >> >> I see xserver-xorg-video-vesa version 1:2.0.0.1ubuntu6 >> >> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Sascha Silbe >> wrote: >>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 02:34:21PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: >>> o The culprit appears to be a security setting in config/dbus that prevents Xephyr from accessing the display. Does anybody know where this setting is, and what it should say instead? >>> >>> I've changed the wiki to remove Ubuntu Jaunty from the list of supported >>> versions. Will add it back once Xephyr and X inside kvm [1] work (without >>> the latter I cannot test if Sugar runs properly). >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/+bug/356133 >>> >>> CU Sascha >>> >>> -- >>> http://sascha.silbe.org/ >>> http://www.infra-silbe.de/ >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>> >>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ9WUUAAoJELpz82VMF3DaJ4YIAI8bsPHxUl3glJhjWRodaTS6 >>> Ar/f40BtOHuHMOI5aZo9AUjlrB0xJIPtZX0ChyBApDvVDm9GBxZgltlYI7+VLt4E >>> AmiuCkNp7L+4Yq43Axf1Rz/y8iB2gPAh5eGH+W3ar4zaydai8DxEZA7udKjaRfpz >>> smdyYAIALdBY6fW1E5Bj+0Cmc1kHarMHBiX6HO5x+7XcjGQ6lDoKi5Iycs/c/Kgy >>> WuGgEFg8IyJgL0RB3FuQjDExghg3RTAai8ksI+oa2XE8Wz+fx8l8ah/a7ydwwE5W >>> GI5W+o/C7/0H9v7eYJpB4gBZr8hHgwUPQFxyKhErDe/v/7bbcNFizQI+qLIdhko= >>> =oMQr >>> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name >> And Children are my nation. >> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. >> http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
Another semi-blocker of Sugar in Ubuntu Jaunty, is that "python-hulahop still contains Python 2.5 modules, but Python 2.6 is default in Jaunty's package" which makes Browse not start. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-hulahop/+bug/364871 2009/4/27 Edward Cherlin : > I'm not clear on the nature of your problem. I have no difficulty > running a SoaS image in kvm (apart from broken Activities). > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved/Testing/Soas2-200904231400 > > I just now confirmed that it runs in Jaunty. I will add details to the > page as soon as I can take time away from more pressing matters. > > From the bug page, > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/+bug/356133 > KBios wrote on 2009-04-15: > >>Confirmed on amd64. >>The "vesa" module seems still from a prerelease of xorg (version 1.5.99). > > I see xserver-xorg-video-vesa version 1:2.0.0.1ubuntu6 > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Sascha Silbe > wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 02:34:21PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> >>> o The culprit appears to be a security setting in config/dbus that >>> prevents Xephyr from accessing the display. Does anybody know where >>> this setting is, and what it should say instead? >> >> I've changed the wiki to remove Ubuntu Jaunty from the list of supported >> versions. Will add it back once Xephyr and X inside kvm [1] work (without >> the latter I cannot test if Sugar runs properly). >> >> >> [1] >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/+bug/356133 >> >> CU Sascha >> >> -- >> http://sascha.silbe.org/ >> http://www.infra-silbe.de/ >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ9WUUAAoJELpz82VMF3DaJ4YIAI8bsPHxUl3glJhjWRodaTS6 >> Ar/f40BtOHuHMOI5aZo9AUjlrB0xJIPtZX0ChyBApDvVDm9GBxZgltlYI7+VLt4E >> AmiuCkNp7L+4Yq43Axf1Rz/y8iB2gPAh5eGH+W3ar4zaydai8DxEZA7udKjaRfpz >> smdyYAIALdBY6fW1E5Bj+0Cmc1kHarMHBiX6HO5x+7XcjGQ6lDoKi5Iycs/c/Kgy >> WuGgEFg8IyJgL0RB3FuQjDExghg3RTAai8ksI+oa2XE8Wz+fx8l8ah/a7ydwwE5W >> GI5W+o/C7/0H9v7eYJpB4gBZr8hHgwUPQFxyKhErDe/v/7bbcNFizQI+qLIdhko= >> =oMQr >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> > > > > -- > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
I'm not clear on the nature of your problem. I have no difficulty running a SoaS image in kvm (apart from broken Activities). http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved/Testing/Soas2-200904231400 I just now confirmed that it runs in Jaunty. I will add details to the page as soon as I can take time away from more pressing matters. From the bug page, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/+bug/356133 KBios wrote on 2009-04-15: >Confirmed on amd64. >The "vesa" module seems still from a prerelease of xorg (version 1.5.99). I see xserver-xorg-video-vesa version 1:2.0.0.1ubuntu6 On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 02:34:21PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: > >> o The culprit appears to be a security setting in config/dbus that >> prevents Xephyr from accessing the display. Does anybody know where >> this setting is, and what it should say instead? > > I've changed the wiki to remove Ubuntu Jaunty from the list of supported > versions. Will add it back once Xephyr and X inside kvm [1] work (without > the latter I cannot test if Sugar runs properly). > > > [1] > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/+bug/356133 > > CU Sascha > > -- > http://sascha.silbe.org/ > http://www.infra-silbe.de/ > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJJ9WUUAAoJELpz82VMF3DaJ4YIAI8bsPHxUl3glJhjWRodaTS6 > Ar/f40BtOHuHMOI5aZo9AUjlrB0xJIPtZX0ChyBApDvVDm9GBxZgltlYI7+VLt4E > AmiuCkNp7L+4Yq43Axf1Rz/y8iB2gPAh5eGH+W3ar4zaydai8DxEZA7udKjaRfpz > smdyYAIALdBY6fW1E5Bj+0Cmc1kHarMHBiX6HO5x+7XcjGQ6lDoKi5Iycs/c/Kgy > WuGgEFg8IyJgL0RB3FuQjDExghg3RTAai8ksI+oa2XE8Wz+fx8l8ah/a7ydwwE5W > GI5W+o/C7/0H9v7eYJpB4gBZr8hHgwUPQFxyKhErDe/v/7bbcNFizQI+qLIdhko= > =oMQr > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-04-27
===Sugar Digest === 1. A teacher in Uruguay, Rosamel Ramirez, initiated a discussion on the Sur list (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-April/003166.html) this weekend about her frustration with the volume of technical discussion and the dearth of education discussion on the list. Several proposals to address the situation have been raised, including Yamandu Ploskonka's proposal for a fork, where teachers would have their own list, and Hernán Pachas's proposal to use tags in the Subject Field to indicate [Pedagogical], [Technical], and [Social] threads within a single list. It is always a difficult decision to fork a list. As Paolo Benini from Montevideo pointed out, in a new project, where we are all learning from each other, it becomes difficult to know where to ask questions when the community is fragmented. My hope is that the teachers will be willing to give Hernán's proposal a try and that they do continue to participate, as they represent the primary means of closing the loop between our engineering efforts and our end-users, the children. 2. Meanwhile, Evita Preciosa from Peru asked if there were any recent studies indicating the efficacy of Sugar/OLPC. I was quite pleased with these results, as reported by Hernán (apparently, a formal report will be issued soon). Have there been improved levels of reading comprehension? :Reading comprehension of children in primary levels has been improved by approximately 50%. Does increased use of computing (and Sugar) improve student achievement? :Student achievement is measured by many variables; we have seen improved reading comprehension, text analysis, and mathematical analysis. Have you seen improved logical thinking? :We have seen improved the logical mathematical thinking, but we need more work on this subject (more activities are need in this area). Have students improved their ability to analyze the texts they read? :They have increased by almost 60% in all primary levels. Are students more creative? :The texts produced by children and teachers demonstrate more creativity; also there is improvement in writing and spelling. Are the students gaining skills and problem solving skills? :The students are using skills gained to help their parents (farmers or ranchers) to improve their activities. ===In the community=== 3. Daniel Drake reports that they just finished handing out 3500 laptops (running Sugar 0.82) in Paraguay: many happy children. 4. Luis Acevedo reprots that there was a Sugar booth at the FLISOL 2009 meeting in Santiago, Chile last Saturday on April 25. Sugar on a Stick was featured and the response was quite positive; many attendees were interested in trying it (See http://picasaweb.google.es/patitoacevedo/Flisol2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCPD04-2G-9byCA&feat=directlink). 5. Caryl Bigenho reports that the XO computer and Sugar software were a hit at the LAUSD InfoTech event at the Los Angeles Convention center. So many people fell in love with the XO and wanted to know how to get them. When I explained the current situation of needing large orders they were crestfallen. But then they brightened up when I explained the alternatives: * Buy a machine from an online auction such as ebay. Some parents found this an interesting option. * Run SoaS on the computers they already have or on others they can buy easily "off the shelf." Both teachers and parents were interested in this option. * Create a really great new idea for using the XO with students and apply for contributors machines to develop and test the idea. A large number of teachers were interested in doing this. It will be interesting to see how many follow through. Caryl also invited the educators to sign up to receive information about a new open-source interest group forming within the CUE (Computer Using Educators) organization in California. 6. Lionel Laske announced that OLPC France will organize with Sugar Labs the first Sugar Camp in Europe in Paris on May 16. Sign up at http://sugarcamp.eventbrite.com/. Several workshop will be organized all around the day: technical, pedagogical and documentation. The full agenda is not closed so do not hesitate to submit a workshop proposal. These events are fully free, thanks to AFUL and GDium. There will also be a Sugar meeting on the 17th (See [[Marketing_Team/Events/MiniCamp_Paris_2009]]) where we will be discussing initial plans for Sucrose 0.86. ===Help Wanted=== 7. Sayamindu Dasgupta has made some sketches of a Gnuemeric port to Sugar based on its new libspreadsheet library (See http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/spreadsheet/Screenshot.png). It would be great if someone where to take on the task of making a proper Gnumeric activity. 8. MIT Community Service is giving us a grant to support an intern this summer to work on the Gardner School deployment (in Allston, Massachusetts). Please contact Caroline Meeks if you are interested in the position. ===Tech Talk=== 9. We held the first "mini developers
Re: [Sugar-devel] Compiler warnings building olpcsound
No worries ;) - Original Message - From: Jonas Smedegaard Date: Monday, April 27, 2009 2:10 pm Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Compiler warnings building olpcsound To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:02:16PM +0100, > victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: > >Crude Hack? I am sorry? I spent a few months last year producing > >the olpcsound Fedora package, thanks very much. That is no hack. > > No _I_ am sorry. And apologize for my bogus fingerpointing! > > I confused this issue with that of libabiword, where the authors > wrote > the following comment in the Makefile for the library: > > > # Hack together a shared library for testing purposes (e.g. olpc). > > I found that note when investigating why the library was only > built > shared, not also static as is required in Debian. > > Confusion is no excuse for my bad behavior - I only include the > reason > in an attempt to explain where it came from (i.e. not entirely > out of > the blue, and related to Sugar, but unrelated to CSound). > > Again: Please do accept my apology. > > > Kind regards, > > - Jonas > > - -- > * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt > * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ > > [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ > ] keep private > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkn1rqEACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhfZACgji+y8D5eySme2UeodNWX3vIu > 48QAnAjIS7CvmT6N796pLArrikfo8lcK > =6uMX > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel Dr Victor Lazzarini, Senior Lecturer, Dept. of Music,National University of Ireland, Maynooth ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Heise DE on SoaS beta-1
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Compiler warnings building olpcsound
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:02:16PM +0100, victor.lazzar...@nuim.ie wrote: >Crude Hack? I am sorry? I spent a few months last year producing >the olpcsound Fedora package, thanks very much. That is no hack. No _I_ am sorry. And apologize for my bogus fingerpointing! I confused this issue with that of libabiword, where the authors wrote the following comment in the Makefile for the library: > # Hack together a shared library for testing purposes (e.g. olpc). I found that note when investigating why the library was only built shared, not also static as is required in Debian. Confusion is no excuse for my bad behavior - I only include the reason in an attempt to explain where it came from (i.e. not entirely out of the blue, and related to Sugar, but unrelated to CSound). Again: Please do accept my apology. Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn1rqEACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhfZACgji+y8D5eySme2UeodNWX3vIu 48QAnAjIS7CvmT6N796pLArrikfo8lcK =6uMX -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Compiler warnings building olpcsound
Crude Hack? I am sorry? I spent a few months last year producing the olpcsound Fedora package, thanks very much. That is no hack. It is true we have decided at the Fedora end of things to move back to full Csound as Sugar is not locked into the XO. Paul Robinson was taking care of producing a 5.10 version of the official csound package. There might be issues with the SONAME bump, which I am not completely on top of. Regards Victor > As I understand it, the olpcsound build target is a crude hack > intended > for slow computers like OLPC XOs, and seems not actively > maintained > upstream. > > Perhaps try building regular libraries and use those instead > also for > use with Sugar - unless you know that you will need the > optimizations > provided by the olpcsound build. > > > I do not use SuSE, and do not hit same bug on Debian, so just > shooting > in the dark here. > > > Kind regards, > > - Jonas > > Package maintainer for CSound packaging for Debian (but no > expert in > CSound or C++). > > - -- > * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt > * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ > > [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before > reusing [ ] keep private > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkn1nUQACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgxwgCeJfHr1HfY8HH+3b0UxYG/UzB4 > IR0AoKUus7XYflL/4AvkRRiDiRsZSew6 > =npOx > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel Dr Victor Lazzarini, Senior Lecturer, Dept. of Music,National University of Ireland, Maynooth ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Compiler warnings building olpcsound
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:39:13PM +0530, Jigish Gohil wrote: >I am getting the following message building olpcsound on openSUSE >Build Service. Without fix for this issue the packages built will not >get published. Could someone who knows what it means and what needs >fixing provide patch? As I understand it, the olpcsound build target is a crude hack intended for slow computers like OLPC XOs, and seems not actively maintained upstream. Perhaps try building regular libraries and use those instead also for use with Sugar - unless you know that you will need the optimizations provided by the olpcsound build. I do not use SuSE, and do not hit same bug on Debian, so just shooting in the dark here. Kind regards, - Jonas Package maintainer for CSound packaging for Debian (but no expert in CSound or C++). - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn1nUQACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgxwgCeJfHr1HfY8HH+3b0UxYG/UzB4 IR0AoKUus7XYflL/4AvkRRiDiRsZSew6 =npOx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Compiler warnings building olpcsound
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Aleksey Lim wrote: >> >> I: Statement might be overflowing a buffer in strncat. Common mistake: >> BAD: strncat(buffer,charptr,sizeof(buffer)) is wrong, it takes the >> left over size as 3rd argument >> GOOD: strncat(buffer,charptr,sizeof(buffer)-strlen(buffer)-1) >> E: olpcsound bufferoverflowstrncat OOps/dumpf.c:178, 181, 187, 190 >> >> I: Program causes undefined operation >> (likely same variable used twiceand post/pre incremented in the same >> expression). >> e.g. x = x++; Split it in two operations. >> E: olpcsound sequence-point Opcodes/gab/sliderTable.c:396, 420, 444, 467 > > could you post scons cmdline > Full build log: http://pastebin.com/f2b133522 Changing the scons commandline shouldn't matter, oBS will not publish till the errors are fixed. Cheers -J ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Compiler warnings building olpcsound
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:39:13PM +0530, Jigish Gohil wrote: > Hi > > I am getting the following message building olpcsound on openSUSE > Build Service. Without fix for this issue the packages built will not > get published. Could someone who knows what it means and what needs > fixing provide patch? > > We are using Csound5.10.1 > > Thanks > > Jigish > > I: Statement might be overflowing a buffer in strncat. Common mistake: > BAD: strncat(buffer,charptr,sizeof(buffer)) is wrong, it takes the > left over size as 3rd argument > GOOD: strncat(buffer,charptr,sizeof(buffer)-strlen(buffer)-1) > E: olpcsound bufferoverflowstrncat OOps/dumpf.c:178, 181, 187, 190 > > I: Program causes undefined operation > (likely same variable used twiceand post/pre incremented in the same > expression). > e.g. x = x++; Split it in two operations. > E: olpcsound sequence-point Opcodes/gab/sliderTable.c:396, 420, 444, 467 could you post scons cmdline -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] processing.js - tool to replace flash in websites [KARMA]
I guess my brain was a tad outdated. So Sizzle is very cool, but
doesn't add anything if you're already using jQuery.
Hehe, hippies. And what are we?
2009/4/27 Ties Stuij :
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Bryan Berry wrote:
>> thanks for the reality check ;). Processing.js is probably overkill for
>> the simple stuff we need to do. It is easy to get distracted w/
>> high-quality animations when what we need are simple animations that are
>> very responsive to the user.
>>
>> I have fallen in love w/ the default jQuery selector engine. It is
>> pretty darn fantastic.
>
> Actually Sizzle *is* the default jQuery CSS selector engine. From the
> jQuery source:
>
> * Sizzle CSS Selector Engine - v0.9.3
> * Copyright 2009, The Dojo Foundation
> * Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
> * More information: http://sizzlejs.com/
>
> Notice the Dojo copyright attribution!
> It's hard to keep these frameworks apart these days. I've also seen
> YUI attributing Resig amongst others in some ajax code, Resig reacting
> on a Mootools mailing-list post. Aren't they supposed to compete with
> each-other? Damn hippies.
>
> /Ties
>
>
>> On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 12:41 +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote:
>>> Processing.js is a port of Processing (JVM) and it doesn't really have
>>> anything to do with jQuery. It uses as a backend for drawing
>>> things, so it needs recent enough browsers.Try it in a webkit browser
>>> or Chrome. They're much faster for most things than Firefox.
>>>
>>> I don't know if the abstraction Processing.js offers over plain
>>> is useful for Karma or it's just overhead.
>>>
>>> jQuery already has a selector engine ( called by $('bla') ), afaik
>>> Sizzle is supposed to be a jQuery-independent selector engine. I don't
>>> think it has much use outside of creating js libraries.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/4/26 Bryan Berry :
>>> > Hey Subzero,
>>> >
>>> > I just came across this blog post from John Resig, the creator of
>>> > jQuery. He kicked off a processing.js to replace flash for animations. I
>>> > am not really sure how it relates to jQuery
>>> >
>>> > http://processingjs.org/
>>> >
>>> > he also has a new project sizzle that is a CSS3 selector engine
>>> > http://sizzlejs.com/
>>> >
>>> > frankly, I don't actually know what a CSS3 selector engine is or what
>>> > CSS3 selectors are but looks interesting
>>> >
>>> > http://processingjs.org/exhibition
>>> >
>>> > here are some demos. Interesting thing is that these demos really rev my
>>> > CPU. I have a centrino dual-core 2 GHz. Firefox chews up 70% of my
>>> > processor. However, when I stream Youtube Firefox also often chews up
>>> > 50% of my processor so not sure if firefox is at fault or processing.js
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Bryan W. Berry
>>> > Technology Director
>>> > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>>> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] processing.js - tool to replace flash in websites [KARMA]
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Bryan Berry wrote:
> thanks for the reality check ;). Processing.js is probably overkill for
> the simple stuff we need to do. It is easy to get distracted w/
> high-quality animations when what we need are simple animations that are
> very responsive to the user.
>
> I have fallen in love w/ the default jQuery selector engine. It is
> pretty darn fantastic.
Actually Sizzle *is* the default jQuery CSS selector engine. From the
jQuery source:
* Sizzle CSS Selector Engine - v0.9.3
* Copyright 2009, The Dojo Foundation
* Released under the MIT, BSD, and GPL Licenses.
* More information: http://sizzlejs.com/
Notice the Dojo copyright attribution!
It's hard to keep these frameworks apart these days. I've also seen
YUI attributing Resig amongst others in some ajax code, Resig reacting
on a Mootools mailing-list post. Aren't they supposed to compete with
each-other? Damn hippies.
/Ties
> On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 12:41 +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote:
>> Processing.js is a port of Processing (JVM) and it doesn't really have
>> anything to do with jQuery. It uses as a backend for drawing
>> things, so it needs recent enough browsers.Try it in a webkit browser
>> or Chrome. They're much faster for most things than Firefox.
>>
>> I don't know if the abstraction Processing.js offers over plain
>> is useful for Karma or it's just overhead.
>>
>> jQuery already has a selector engine ( called by $('bla') ), afaik
>> Sizzle is supposed to be a jQuery-independent selector engine. I don't
>> think it has much use outside of creating js libraries.
>>
>>
>> 2009/4/26 Bryan Berry :
>> > Hey Subzero,
>> >
>> > I just came across this blog post from John Resig, the creator of
>> > jQuery. He kicked off a processing.js to replace flash for animations. I
>> > am not really sure how it relates to jQuery
>> >
>> > http://processingjs.org/
>> >
>> > he also has a new project sizzle that is a CSS3 selector engine
>> > http://sizzlejs.com/
>> >
>> > frankly, I don't actually know what a CSS3 selector engine is or what
>> > CSS3 selectors are but looks interesting
>> >
>> > http://processingjs.org/exhibition
>> >
>> > here are some demos. Interesting thing is that these demos really rev my
>> > CPU. I have a centrino dual-core 2 GHz. Firefox chews up 70% of my
>> > processor. However, when I stream Youtube Firefox also often chews up
>> > 50% of my processor so not sure if firefox is at fault or processing.js
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bryan W. Berry
>> > Technology Director
>> > OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
>> >
>> > ___
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>> > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> >
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> Technology Director
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[Sugar-devel] Compiler warnings building olpcsound
Hi I am getting the following message building olpcsound on openSUSE Build Service. Without fix for this issue the packages built will not get published. Could someone who knows what it means and what needs fixing provide patch? We are using Csound5.10.1 Thanks Jigish I: Statement might be overflowing a buffer in strncat. Common mistake: BAD: strncat(buffer,charptr,sizeof(buffer)) is wrong, it takes the left over size as 3rd argument GOOD: strncat(buffer,charptr,sizeof(buffer)-strlen(buffer)-1) E: olpcsound bufferoverflowstrncat OOps/dumpf.c:178, 181, 187, 190 I: Program causes undefined operation (likely same variable used twiceand post/pre incremented in the same expression). e.g. x = x++; Split it in two operations. E: olpcsound sequence-point Opcodes/gab/sliderTable.c:396, 420, 444, 467 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 02:34:21PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: o The culprit appears to be a security setting in config/dbus that prevents Xephyr from accessing the display. Does anybody know where this setting is, and what it should say instead? I've changed the wiki to remove Ubuntu Jaunty from the list of supported versions. Will add it back once Xephyr and X inside kvm [1] work (without the latter I cannot test if Sugar runs properly). [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/+bug/356133 CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] from Peru, sugar in DEBIAN
[adding sugar-devel to cc] On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:17, OLPC Puno wrote: > My name is Sdenka from Puno Peru, since one month we are using Debian at > Glorioso San Carlos High School in PERU. We installed the sugar and 10 > activities including in Debian packages, then added ETOYS, SCRATCH AND > LOGOTURTLE. Congratulations! > I need the other activities' source code to compilate in Debian to use and > test them with teenagers students this year. Our goal is testing and > then use Debian in elementary school which didn't receive LAPTOP XO, but > like to use the wonderful activities FOR EDUCATION. I'm forwarding this email to the sugar-devel mailing list, which may be more appropriate. Jonas Smedegaard is coordinating the work to package Sugar and activities to Debian. Hope this helps, Tomeu > Thanks in advance for your reply, > > > SDENKA > ___ > Devel mailing list > de...@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
