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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

2009-06-08 Thread Tomeu Vizoso

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 16:45, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote:
 Sean DALY wrote:
 Yes Gary by all means, the deadline is this weekend

 Sebastian, earlier in the thread we discussed how part of keeping a
 clean-looking boot involves getting more information (logos) on the
 About My Computer page, is that difficult to do?

 Sean

 I don't think that it would be that difficult, but it seems like this
 would need to be done in Sugar itself, not SoaS (which is also, why I'm
 not really sure how to realize it). Maybe one of the Sugar devs has an
 idea...

Maybe you could patch the source code in the kickstart file?

Would be somewhere in /usr/share/sugar/extensions/

Regards,

Tomeu

 --Sebastian

 On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com  wrote:
 Hi Sebastian,

 On 7 Jun 2009, at 14:37, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:

 Hi all,

 looking at the wiki page, I'm really impressed - great work! :)

 I also really like the idea of switching the logo color for each release -
 this shouldn't be hard and is an interesting approach.

 Has there already been some kind of agreement on which version we're going
 to use for the LinuxTag release?
 Yes I was wondering this also, given the weekend was the deadline :-)

 Is the one with the progress bar something everyone could agree with?
 FWIW, my two current favourites are the grey progress bar, or  the grey
 circle of dots:


   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif

   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:Refined-XO-sugar-boot-with-overlap.gif

 And could I possibly get the .png files, so that I can compose a new
 snapshot with a preview of the new boot screen (we can still change it
 afterwards, but I'd like to have some snapshot to test it)?
 I don't want to short circuit a decision making process, but let me kick out
 their PNGs and email to you (will do that now). That way you at least have a
 couple of the possible candidates to experiment/test with now.

 Regards,
 --Gary

 Walter: Have you heard anything regarding the use of the XO in our boot
 screen? Is this okay with OLPC?

 --Sebastian

 Sean DALY wrote:
 Actually the logo color linked to a version idea was in my long mail
 the other day about communicating the version :-)

 I too think 2 changes a year will give us time to cycle through the
 twelve variants.

 To make that work, the actual place where the version number is
 communicated (Control Panel / About my computer) would need to have
 the matching color Sugar Labs (not just Sugar) logo.

 I like this progress bar boot screen because:

 * ultrasimple, unobtrusive, fits perfectly with Sugar HIG
 * bar is universally easy to understand, no possibility of confusion
 with graphic elements.
 * keeping logo around that long=strong branding, which is vital for
 Sugar to be recognized by name rather than just the system running
 on XOs, netbooks, etc.

 I miss the iconic ring treatment though.

 And, no matter how clean we would like it to be, we still need to
 address the questions of school/sponsor co-branding (if they have a
 logo, they won't feel like jst putting their name in grey) and distro
 co-branding.

 Perhaps we could solve those problems by putting them in the About my
 computer page as well? Awful as far as co-branding goes (partners
 would not be happy), but will keep boot minimalist and functional.

 For a shining example of how more-is-less packaging is ruinous, may I
 direct your attention to:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k

 Sean


 On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com
   wrote:
 On 4 Jun 2009, at 16:35, Gary C Martin wrote:

 On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:45, Sean DALY wrote:

 Yes that would be very helpful I think
 I was just going to start tinkering again, I'll make an animated
 version of Eben's XO and progress-bar for evaluation.
 Just uploaded an animated version showing Eben's boot with progress bar
 treatment:


   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Image:XO-sugar-boot-with-progress-bar.gif

 FWIW: +1 on Eben's suggestion for changing the colour of the Sugar logo
 for
 each major new Sugar release. It nicely avoids what looks like jumping
 through lot's of technical burning hoops of fire, trying to set up a
 boot
 anim that dynamically changes to match the owners own colours (nice idea
 but
 I think a big ask at this point in time).

 FWIW2: Just incase any one was wondering, the colour dot versions were
 based
 on the 1-12 official Sugar Logo treatment colour pairs, i.e definitely
 not
 not random :-)

 Regards,
 --Gary

 If we can reach consensus by tomorrow and finish the actual PNG frames
 over the weekend we will meet the deadline

 but, we need a volunteer to do the frames (unless Gary what you have
 is nearly ready; my stuff is cut/pasted mockup no color control etc)
 Sure, getting a series of PNGs from any of my mock-ups is just a save
 for web away.

 Regards,
 --Gary

 thanks

 Sean


 On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Christian Marc

Re: [Sugar-devel] OT: determining memory usage of short-lived processes

2009-06-08 Thread Albert Cahalan

Sascha Silbe writes:

 I've examined memory usage of long running processes (i.e. daemons
 and applications) in the past, no problems. But for my VCS comparison
 I need to determine the peak memory usage of all child processes
 (combined), which are rather short-lived. What's the best way to do
 that?

atop, vmstat, sar, pidstat, sa, accton

 Performance is an issue as the benchmark already takes 13h to run
 on a sample set of 100 Project Gutenberg files (originally I had
 a sample size of ~800 files). That probably rules out valgrind
 (AFAIK it incurs quite a performance penalty)...

Never rule out valgrind. Find a way. Valgrind supports tools that
you can use to discover where you suffer from cache line misses.
Valgrind finds any use of uninitialized memory.

Also consider using oprofile, or at least gprof.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] personalisation and collaboration

2009-06-08 Thread Tomeu Vizoso

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 13:00, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote:
 Something has been in the back of my head for a while now, ever since I've
 seen the impressive capabilities of being able to share an activity with
 your neighbourhood. Being able to cooperatively use applications brings a
 new level of playability to it all, and it reminds me of when I first saw
 the ability for a computer game to be 'multi-player.'This gave it an extra
 dimension, and with it came the idea of awards for completing certain
 things, which would be displayed in your dashoard somewhere.The award system
 seems even more relevant for education than it did for games. We'v aleady
 mentioned the benefits of an award sysem so I'm not going to regugitate
 that, but what hasnt''t really been spoken about is, how and what kind of
 personal details should the journal store and share. I see this as a
 customisable option, something that can be as simple as only sharing first
 names, or sharing the name of your pet, your favorite colors and foods, the
 languages you speak.

 This detailed information about a person is extremely valuable to the
 underlying system, as it can potentially match people against each other.
 This would allow for some interesting possibilities when it comes to
 collaboration, such as the system suggesting users to challenge/collaborate
 with based on personal information. I thought about having a robot that
 lives on an irc channel capable of helping with the collaboration procedure,
 as well as listing achievements, giving data on which users want to
 collaborate, giving help on how collaboration works with particular
 activities, listing which servers have open collaboration, showing the most
 used/highest rated collaborating activities, etc.

I guess tagging of buddies is related in some measure to this?

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86#Groups

Regards,

Tomeu

 I havent thought about this too much in depth, but I know coding a bot is
 not too hard. I see it as an extension to the speak AI, and encouragement to
 join irc. We can even get the bot to accept uploads of raw learning
 materials categorised by subject, which can then be used by content
 creators. it itself could give out quizzes based on particular subjects, or
 interesting pieces of information/knowledge. It could be taught new
 information, by feeding it localised knowledge. It would be important to
 know where we set the limits to what it can do.

 Just some food for thought...

 David (nubae) Van Assche

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Re: [Sugar-devel] I'm looking for a tree...

2009-06-08 Thread James Zaki

Not sure if you have found an answer to this yet, but with more information
about what you're trying to do could help with communicating the right
solution. Again I think a hash table can answer your questions about
fast-lookup, but it just depends your chosen key, and other requirements you
might have about sorting.

If its not too sugar specific, feel free to contact me directly.

Regards,
James.

2009/6/7 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu

Lucian Branescu wrote:
Would an ordered dictionary otherwise be all right, or am I
misunderstanding your requirements? There are other implementations,
like
http://www.xs4all.nl/~anthon/Python/ordereddict/http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Eanthon/Python/ordereddict/

No, an ordered dictionary is not enough. All these ordered dictionaries
are ordered either by time or by sorting the keys. Neither will work for
me. The problem is simple: if I insert something at position 5, I need
the object currently at position 5 to move to position 6, and the object
currently at position 6 to move to position 7, etc.

To accomplish this in an time-ordered odict, I would have to remove all
keys subsequent to the insertion point, make the insertion, and then
re-insert those keys. That's O(n).

To accomplish this in a sorted-order odict, I would have to generate a new
key that causes my insertion to occur at the right location. If there are
repeated insertions at the same location, generating such keys becomes an
O(n) operation. To see this, suppose I am repeatedly inserting at the
second position. Initially, the keys are (0,1). The first insertion has
to pick a key between 0 and 1, e.g. 0.5. The second insertion has to pick
a key between 0 and 0.5: e.g. 0.25. The number of bits required to store
these keys to sufficient precision increases by one bit on each insertion.
This means that the length of the keys is O(n), so every comparison is
O(n).

--Ben

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Re: [Sugar-devel] More information on font scaling problem

2009-06-08 Thread Tomeu Vizoso

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:35, Albert Cahalanacaha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 In 0.84 Pango knows the resolution of the screen and scales all
 fonts accordingly. This means that by using, say 10, the font
 will always look good in all hw.

 I wish this were so. Consider 3 ways to measure font size:

 1. number of pixels
 2. physical size on the screen
 3. angular size (depends on physical size and viewer distance)

 For readability, both #1 and #3 have lower limits. That 10
 you feed into Pango has nothing to do with either; it's #2.
 On the screen, almost nobody actually cares about #2. Lots
 of systems lie about it, including Browse.

 Normally people sit far away from a large screen. If we assume
 that people tend to fill their eye's viewing area with the
 screen, then pixels per character should scale according to
 the number of pixels across the screen. (diagonal perhaps)

 Most everything tends to break down when using a projector.
 You may be at 5 DPI, yet the angular size is smaller than
 normal.

 A practical way to size things is to make font and icon pixel
 dimensions scale with the square root of the screen pixel
 dimensions. Tux Paint does this for stamps. Like this:

 d = sqrt(x*x+y*y); // diagonal screen size in pixels
 d0 = sqrt(x0*x0+y0*y0); // same, for a standard reference screen
 s = sqrt(d)/sqrt(d0); // scale factor

 So if the reference is 640x480 and you want to display on a
 2560x1920 display, the scale factor is 2.

 (the idea is that people want to use extra resolution both for
 more object detail and more objects; this splits the usage)

Agreed, and if you add to the mix bugs in software other than Sugar
and the fact that not everybody has the same visual perception then we
cannot use a single function of any values we may have available.

Pango is using the Xft.dpi resource to scale the size given by the
user software. Distributors of software on known hardware can set this
value in ~/.Xresources and would be great if users ha a more obvious
way to set it to their preference. I think that Sugar would need to
have a settings daemon in order to allow changing it dynamically
without restarting Sugar, but would be great if someone could give it
a look and report back.

Regards,

Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.

2009-06-08 Thread James Zaki

With regards to the speed issue.

I tried SoaS on a USB2.0 (but not high-speed) memory-stick, performance was
hideous on a macbook.
Using a USB2.0 high-speed memory-stick, performance is great on an eeepc,
which has 1G Ram. I know its not small, but its all I have to compare with
for now.

So from what I have experienced the USB port would be the first target. I'll
hopefully get a chance to test on low-RAM school computers tomorrow.

James.



2009/6/8 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk

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  It sound like another great, low impact (I am trying to think of a
  term like 'carbon foot print' to properly reflect the impact) way of
  bringing LTSP into the class room.
 
  polite or gentle perhaps?
 
  or non-invasive?  Emphasizing what is avoided: invading -
  potentially taking over, accidentally or on purpose, the computers
 
 
 Granted, you would *need* to check with your local systems
 administrator before implementing LTSP. (as opposed to a lower-risk
 USB-local-booting solution) At my school, for example, netbooting a
 workstation starts the recloning process of loading a new Windows XP
 image; setting up LTSP without asking would cause major problems with
 their work.

 non-invasive to the _computers_ but invasive to the network
 infrastructure.


 So yes, a better term would be good, to not risk sysadmins feeling
 cheated when learning the hard way that this so-called non-invasive
 system includes a DHCP daemon, breaking their WiFi hotspots, printers
 and what not.


  - Jonas

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.

2009-06-08 Thread Tomeu Vizoso

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 13:03, James Zakijames.z...@gmail.com wrote:
 With regards to the speed issue.

 I tried SoaS on a USB2.0 (but not high-speed) memory-stick, performance was
 hideous on a macbook.
 Using a USB2.0 high-speed memory-stick, performance is great on an eeepc,
 which has 1G Ram. I know its not small, but its all I have to compare with
 for now.

 So from what I have experienced the USB port would be the first target. I'll
 hopefully get a chance to test on low-RAM school computers tomorrow.

We should see why disk I/O is affecting so much performance. Instead
of making the disk faster we should make Sugar stop doing stupid
things (if that's indeed the case).

Anybody with performance profiling of linux system can give some hints
about which tools we can use to see why disk I/O seems to be the
bottleneck?

Thanks,

Tomeu

 James.



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  It sound like another great, low impact (I am trying to think of a
  term like 'carbon foot print' to properly reflect the impact) way of
  bringing LTSP into the class room.
 
  polite or gentle perhaps?
 
  or non-invasive?  Emphasizing what is avoided: invading -
  potentially taking over, accidentally or on purpose, the computers
 
 
 Granted, you would *need* to check with your local systems
 administrator before implementing LTSP. (as opposed to a lower-risk
 USB-local-booting solution) At my school, for example, netbooting a
 workstation starts the recloning process of loading a new Windows XP
 image; setting up LTSP without asking would cause major problems with
 their work.

 non-invasive to the _computers_ but invasive to the network
 infrastructure.


 So yes, a better term would be good, to not risk sysadmins feeling
 cheated when learning the hard way that this so-called non-invasive
 system includes a DHCP daemon, breaking their WiFi hotspots, printers
 and what not.


  - Jonas

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[Sugar-devel] Linuxtag - Getting involved

2009-06-08 Thread Simon Schampijer

Hi,

Linuxtag [1] is getting closer. If you are attending please add your 
name here: 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/LinuxTag2009#Attendees

As some of you may have heard we will be having a booth there. Please 
take shifts at our booth. Ideally a shift is two persons. Helping at the 
booth means answering questions regarding Sugar and Sugar Labs, demoing 
Sugar and flashing Soas on request. 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/LinuxTag2009#Sugar_Booth

I have started to put up information on lodging. Hotel Funkturm sounds 
quite interesting. I have called them Saturday - and one 4-6 person room 
was left.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Events/LinuxTag2009#Lodging

Thanks,
Simon

[1] 24.-27. Juni: http://www.linuxtag.org/2009/en.html
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Re: [Sugar-devel] I'm looking for a tree...

2009-06-08 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz

I've had amazing difficulty communicating what I'm looking for here.

Those closest thing is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_(computer_science)

A rope is a binary tree that _imposes_ an ordering on its leaves that has
nothing whatsoever to do with their values (the values are essentially
opaque).  This is very unusual; almost all standard tree structures
_derive_ an ordering _from_ the values.

Unfortunately, all implementations of Ropes that I have seen so far are
designed only to store Chars, whereas I need to store arbitrary python
objects.  I'd like to avoid coding such a beast myself, but I may have no
choice.  It would help if someone could identify Ropes as a specialization
of a more general type of tree, but I have not seen any claims of this kind.

The only property I'm looking for that Ropes don't intrinsically satisfy
is Reverse lookup.  That is to say, I would like to be able to hold a
pointer to a particular object in the tree, and at some later time, walk
back up the tree from that pointer to work out the object's current index.
 It does seem like that should be doable with a Rope, especially if we
move to the special case in which the leaves are arrays of length 1.

--Ben



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session

2009-06-08 Thread James Simmons

David,

I've never actually tried Image Viewer's collaboration, so it may not 
work.  I was browsing the source code for other reasons and spotted a 
comment saying that it had collaboration code from Read Etexts.

James Simmons


Gary C Martin wrote:
 On 5 Jun 2009, at 21:19, James Simmons wrote:

 David,

 Four of the Activities you will be testing use pretty much the same code
 for collaboration:

 sugar-read
 sugar-readetexts-activity
 sugar-viewslides
 sugar-imageviewer

 For what it's worth, ImageViewer is definitely not collaborating 
 correctly (and has never) for me, it just defaults to the ObjectPicker 
 code path if you try to join a shared session using either Gabble 
 (jabber server) or Salute (local network). Tested 0.82 XO to XO, and 
 0.84 mixed environments (Soas, Sugar-jhbuild).

 Regards,
 --Gary


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] Activity Awards, Activity Alerts

2009-06-08 Thread James Simmons

David,

Your suggestion got me thinking about how this kind of reward system 
could be used with my own Activities, which involve reading.  I think I 
have a notion which might be worth pursuing.  The biggest problem with 
reading on the XO is finding books.  The books are out there, but 
they're scattered all over the place.  What would be good is a kind of 
message board that has the following features:

1).  Allows learners and teachers to create their own accounts.  They 
would need to log in to do anything on the message board.

2).  You would have forums based on grade level.  First graders would 
have a forum, second graders would have their own, etc.

3).  You could do the following functions:

* Submit a book review, which always would include a link to where the 
book could be downloaded.
* Comment on someone else's review.
* Award reputation points to someone else's posting.

Every activity on the board would win or lose you points.  Submit a new 
book review and you get points.  Make a useful comment and those who 
think it useful would give you points.  Report an inappropriate posting 
to the moderator and he could give you points for that.  Make an 
inappropriate posting and lose points.

The idea is to build a portal that links to age-appropriate books that 
the learners would maintain (with some adult moderation).  Once you got 
enough reputation points you would get some meaningful and 
reading-related reward.  Maybe your account would be granted access to 
the next higher forum.  Or you would be allowed to download something 
special.  Your avatar would indicate your status, so any time you make a 
post your post shows your current status (in other words, your status at 
the present moment, not your status when you made the post originally).

You could also keep track of the most popular download links, etc. so 
kids looking for something good to read would get some ideas.

James Simmons


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Physics Roadmap

2009-06-08 Thread Brian Jordan

Attaching Sugar Devel (people who want to be involved with Physics
development  might be on there).


On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Asaf Paris Mandokiasa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I've managed to get my development environment working and started hacking
 the Physics activity. I added a pin button and a motor button so these
 features aren't hidden anymore. I wanted to add a Play/Pause button but it's
 not as easy as I thought. It is much better to control time flow with the
 keyboard but I think it would be good to have a way to make the feature
 explicit. I'm planing on committing my changes to the main branch as soon as
 I come up with a nicer icon for the motor button.


Commit it :)

Would anyone like to help with making menu icons?

 After I'm done with that I'm thinking on starting with the journal
 integration. I will clone the main branch and work over there. I've seen
 some suggestions for the scene file format at
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Physics_File_Format . Is there a handy XML library
 I could use?

 I see the Physics component is now on dev.sugarlabs.org. I've added a bug I
 found, should I add the features I would like to implement in the future? .
 What is the best way for communicating regarding this project? Who are the
 people involved right now?

 Thanks,
 Asaf

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [sugar-devel]engineering the moodle-print communication

2009-06-08 Thread Dave Bauer

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri 
vamsi.davul...@gmail.com wrote:


  Cookie +  HTTP POST to a defined URL would work well.

 oh, okay, so I think I should follow these roots.

 Apologies for not being able to help more this week.

 np

 You'll need to read the code in auth/olpcxs/auth.php -- note that
 _that_ code does a lot of stuff. You don't need to login the user,
 only to identify the right account and put the print request in the
 appropriate queue.

 I think i've been working on the wrong moodle, I've been working
 with the default moodle installation found at moodle.org. How do I
 get everything XS-Moodle specific? A quick google search points
 me  to this:
 http://docs.moodle.org/en/OLPC_XS_installation
 Should I proceed with that?

This is the accurate install doc to install an XS with Moodle.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software

This is a complete linux installation so you'll need a seperate machine you
can install onto or a virtual machine.

Dave

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[Sugar-devel] [sugar-devel]engineering the moodle-print communication

2009-06-08 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software

 This is a complete linux installation so you'll need a seperate machine you
 can install onto or a virtual machine.

 Dave

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Thanks Dave.
I will start start working on it first thing in the morning.
It's 2:26 AM here!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [sugar-devel]engineering the moodle-print communication

2009-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Vamsi Krishna
Davulurivamsi.davul...@gmail.com wrote:
I think i've been working on the wrong moodle, I've been working
with the default moodle installation found at moodle.org. How do I
get everything XS-Moodle specific? A quick google search points
me to this:
http://docs.moodle.org/en/OLPC_XS_installation
Should I proceed with that?

No. You'll want to base your work on

- testing against the OLPC XS - grab the recent 0.6dev2 install image
from http://xs-dev.laptop.org/xs/other/
- the 'moodle' git tree at http://dev.laptop.org/git

there is a good post on how to test (and develop) moodle on an XS in
the 'server-devel' archives. I normally search the archives with a
site-scoped search like
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.laptop.org%2Fpipermail%2Fserver-devel+testing+moodle

I'd encourage handling the queue from moodle's cron. See admin/cron.php

right, this seems to be exact thing i'd need for dynamic clean-ups.
Anything dynamic like a queue.

Right. Moodle cron handling triggers every 5 minutes. If you want
something more often we can explore options. In any case, we can look
at that later.

I'm not sure what your UIs look on the Sugar side,

the sugar side, my plan morphed into a completely new Print activity
The print activity can read any sugar supported mime and convert it
to pdf, and send to moodle etc through a new toolbar.
Thats about it.

So it's no longer an extension of the Journal?

but we could
leverage your work into being a publish into moodle and/or print
action. Push to moodle where everyone can see it and (if there's a
printer) the teacher gets and extra button to print.

You mean the teacher gets a print button within sugar or within
moodle?

Within Moodle. There are two 'views' that I suspect are interesting

1 - the user page, in its 'print queue' tab
2 - a 'course print queue' page in a module, showing all the new /
outstanding documents from all course members

#2 makes me think that this is a more powerful thing than just 'printing'.

hmm, I will have to look into how to do this within the scope of a group.
also, on my default moodle installation a student can't see the
'users page' (i'd guess i can set permissions on that somewhere)

I mean user's page as in: the page of a particular user.

Hope, you won't mind the newbie questions, i've done everything
on moodle almost by myself, I will definitely be lacking much.

No problem. Next week my life will be much calmer, and I'll be more
than happy to have a chat with you.

Apologies again that I'm not more available,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [sugar-devel]engineering the moodle-print communication

2009-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Dave Bauerdave.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is the accurate install doc to install an XS with Moodle.

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software

 This is a complete linux installation so you'll need a seperate machine you
 can install onto or a virtual machine.

Good pointer -- though it's mainly for the 0.5.x releases. All the
excitement around moodle is in the 0.6x dev releases. Which -- by the
way -- don't need the cumbersome install process :-)

Vamsi - it's worth your time searching the server-devel archives for
the 0.6 install notes ;-)

hth,



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[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sugar theme of activities.sugarlabs.org

2009-06-08 Thread Aleksey Lim

Hi all,

Many thanks to Josh Williams we have now sugarized theme on
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/.

Any further suggestions and improvements are welcome.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Bugs] #925 HIGH: Scratch is not sugarized

2009-06-08 Thread Caroline Meeks

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:

 On 3 Jun 2009, at 13:53, Caroline Meeks wrote:

  Hi,

 Should this bug really get closed or is there some other state it could be
 in?


 I'd say a trac ticket must have a real named owner to be of any use.

  Sugarizing Scratch is clearly a legitimate feature request.


 It's more an onerous task, than a feature request ;-) There nothing coders
 (and you need to find a willing coder) hate more than having to poke around
 someone else's code to make it work right...


I have faith someone will do it. :)  Someone did a port I think a year
before the offical Linux version was released.  Its a popular tool, and
although I know there are complications, I hope and believe someone will
find it a worthwhile task.



  I'm not saying sdz should do it this week, but if someone came along and
 wanted to do something this task should definitely be on the list of tasks a
 Sugar volunteer could do.

 Where do we keep track of requests like Sugarizing Scratch?


 You could add it to the bottom of this Activity Team page:

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/TODO


Done.

Thanks



 Regards,
 --Gary

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 #925: Scratch is not sugarized

 --+-
   Reporter:  davidjim   |  Owner:  sdz
   Type:  defect | Status:  closed
   Priority:  High   |  Milestone:  Unspecified by Release
 Team
  Component:  SoaS   |Version:
   Severity:  Major  | Resolution:  notsugar
   Keywords:  scratch sugarized  |   Distribution:  SoaS
 Status_field:  New|

 --+-
 Changes (by erikos):

  * status:  new = closed
  * version:  0.84.x =
  * resolution:  = notsugar
  * milestone:  0.84 = Unspecified by Release Team


 Comment:

  Scratch is not included in a build. This is not a Soas bug. Of course it
  would be nice to have it better integrated. Please check with the
 upstream
  maintainers.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Bugs] #925 HIGH: Scratch is not sugarized

2009-06-08 Thread dthornburg


 I did the Linux hack for Scratch a long time ago and lack the chops to make it 
pretty.? Also, the new version has features like web-cam capture.? I think the 
Scratch team is working on a decent Linux version now.? Check with them.

Warm regards,

David Thornburg


 


 

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To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com
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Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Bugs] #925 HIGH: Scratch is not sugarized












On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:



On 3 Jun 2009, at 13:53, Caroline Meeks wrote:





Hi,



Should this bug really get closed or is there some other state it could be in?






I'd say a trac ticket must have a real named owner to be of any use.






Sugarizing Scratch is clearly a legitimate feature request.






It's more an onerous task, than a feature request ;-) There nothing coders (and 
you need to find a willing coder) hate more than having to poke around someone 
else's code to make it work right...



I have faith someone will do it. :)? Someone did a port I think a year before 
the offical Linux version was released.? Its a popular tool, and although I 
know there are complications, I hope and believe someone will find it a 
worthwhile task. 










I'm not saying sdz should do it this week, but if someone came along and wanted 
to do something this task should definitely be on the list of tasks a Sugar 
volunteer could do.



Where do we keep track of requests like Sugarizing Scratch?






You could add it to the bottom of this Activity Team page:



 ? ? ? ?http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/TODO


Done. 

Thanks







Regards,

--Gary









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Date: Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:39 AM

Subject: Re: [Bugs] #925 HIGH: Scratch is not sugarized

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Cc: b...@lists.sugarlabs.org





#925: Scratch is not sugarized

--+-

 ? Reporter: ?davidjim ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? ? ? ?Owner: ?sdz

 ? ? ? Type: ?defect ? ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? ? ? Status: ?closed

 ? Priority: ?High ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? ?Milestone: ?Unspecified by Release Team

 ?Component: ?SoaS ? ? ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? ? ?Version:

 ? Severity: ?Major ? ? ? ? ? ? ?| ? ? Resolution: ?notsugar

 ? Keywords: ?scratch sugarized ?| ? Distribution: ?SoaS

Status_field: ?New ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?|

--+-

Changes (by erikos):



?* status: ?new = closed

?* version: ?0.84.x =

?* resolution: ?= notsugar

?* milestone: ?0.84 = Unspecified by Release Team





Comment:



?Scratch is not included in a build. This is not a Soas bug. Of course it

?would be nice to have it better integrated. Please check with the upstream

?maintainers.



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