Re: [Sugar-devel] making codova platform add command work for sugar

2014-06-16 Thread Puneet Kaur
1. here's a kind of url you told about :
https://github.com/puneetgkaur/sugar-web-template/releases/tag/3.5.0 , but
it doesn't help

2. Just to try out if things work what I did was to keep an entry in
platforms.js as follows :

'sugar':{
parser: './metadata/sugar_parser',
url: 'https://github.com/apache/cordova-android.git',
version: '3.5.0'
}

just changed the name but kept the url same as android, now the interesting
thing which happens is that with cordova platform add sugar command it
gives the following error:

Error: incorrect header check
at Zlib._binding.onerror (zlib.js:295:17)

while with android command it works perfectly fine.

so what could be possible reason behind this ?

3.Also I observed in ~/.cordova/lib, there are directories with the name of
amazon-fireos,android,firefoxos,ios,tmp,ubuntu,www

how are these directories created ? and is this a possible reason behind
the issue (for there's no sugar directory there) ?


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:56 AM, Puneet Kaur puneet.gk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks :-)


 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:40 AM, purplecabbage purplecabb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 You specify a version of 3.5.0 so the downloader component is expecting
 to get a zipped version of the repo at something like
 https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web-template/releases/tags/3.5.0

 It is probably getting a 404, which zlib is choking on.

 Also, try using a -d flag in any Cordova calls that fail, for verbose
 output.



 Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 15, 2014, at 4:29 AM, Puneet Kaur puneet.gk...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hey,
 
  I added the following to platforms.js to my local cordova-lib repository
  linked to cordova-cli :
 
 'sugar':{
 parser: './metadata/sugar_parser',
 url: 'https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-web-template.git',
 version: '3.5.0',
 
 }
 
 
  The cordova platform list command works fine and lists sugar as one of
  the platform that are available but I got the following error while
 issuing
  the command cordova platform add sugar :
 
  *Error: incorrect header check*
  *at Zlib._binding.onerror (zlib.js:295:17)*
 
 
  *I got a few question if someone can answer :*
 
  *what does this error mean ?*
 
  *what are the essential things we are supposed to develop to make our
  platform add command work ?*
 
  (I have found some results for the above question after going through
 the
  repositories of several platform but still wished to be sure)
 
 
 
 
 
  Puneet



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Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Basanta Shrestha
Hi all,
We are planning on ordering the next lot of XO-4s and I need some
suggestions on which keyboard model to choose -membrane  or
hard/clicky one. We had membrane one for our first lot and keyboard
switching was very convenient on that model.  One reason not to choose
hard/clicky one is that it doesn't have key for language switching (
correct me if I am wrong) -I have one spanish hard/clicky and it
doesn't have that key - key 56 at
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Keyboard_layouts. Hard/Clicky on the
other hard is more convenient while typing. Please suggest.

-Basanta

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Basanta Shrestha
 basanta.shres...@olenepal.org wrote:
 Amazingly changing the manufacturing data didn't do the job but changing
 /etc/sysconfig/keyboard did. Wow! Now I have Nepali input system. Thank you
 all.

 Now I need to find a place to change default locale to ne_NP, so that the
 default interface is in Nepali. There is an option to do this in
 manufacturing data but it would be better if it can be done using file.

 If all you want to do is change default keyboard and language, you can
 avoid doing any manufacturing data changes, and just do the [base]
 olpc-os-builder configuration I mentioned in my last email.

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Problems in installing sugar

2014-06-16 Thread Abhay Sibal
Hi!

 I am installing sugar on my laptop (HP 6730b 4GB RAM) on an Ubuntu 12.10.

 As mentioned on the developer site :

 *http://developer.sugarlabs.org/dev-environment.md.html
http://developer.sugarlabs.org/dev-environment.md.html*.

 I am following the steps mentioned.

However, after executing this command:


*./osbuild pull*


the following line is printed:

abhay@ubuntu:~/InternWork/sugar-build$ ./osbuild pull
*Another osbuild instance is running.*

I tried *restarting* my computer and also used the following command:

sudo rm -Rf sugar-build/

to reinstall the package, but it did not help. The problem seems to be
somewhere in a lockfile , which is not getting deleted.

--Reffering lines 451-453 in the code:



*if not check_lock():print(Another osbuild instance is
running.)return False*

Please guide me on this!

Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 01:54:19PM +0545, Basanta Shrestha wrote:
 Hi all,
 We are planning on ordering the next lot of XO-4s and I need some
 suggestions on which keyboard model to choose -membrane  or
 hard/clicky one.

I think it is great to seek input from the community, but don't forget
to ask your OLPC contact for help as well.

 We had membrane one for our first lot and keyboard switching was
 very convenient on that model.  One reason not to choose hard/clicky
 one is that it doesn't have key for language switching ( correct me
 if I am wrong) -I have one spanish hard/clicky and it doesn't have
 that key - key 56 at
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Keyboard_layouts.

Yes, that's a good reason not to choose the mechanical keyboard; you
would have to customise your operating system build again, to add a
key combination for keyboard language switch.  If the cost of
customising is too high, you should order membrane keyboard.  I don't
know the relative costs of the keyboards, and their replacement rates,
but it might be factored in to your decision.

You identified the lack of language switch key in this same thread on
sugar-devel@ back in November 2013, from which I'll draw some status:

Walter says use a key combination:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045724.html

And says that customisation will be needed:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045800.html

Then you suggest alt+space:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045807.html

Daniel Drake says to use olpc-os-builder:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045851.html

And you asked about the alt+space:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045857.html

But the thread dried up on that subject because the units you received
had a membrane keyboard, not a mechanical keyboard.

I think you need to change the xkb files, but I'm not sure.  Do you
have a mechanical keyboard you can test with?  If not, you'll have to
get someone else to do this.

 Hard/Clicky on the other hard is more convenient while typing.
 Please suggest.

I don't understand why you think it is more convenient.  To me the
keyboards are equally convenient for an inexperienced child.  Perhaps
you intended to mention some characteristic?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Walter Bender
James,

Do we have any data re the mechanical reliability/durability/repairability
of the hard/clicky keyboards? We do know that although there were some
issues with membrane pealing (presumably resolved with the newer design)
there numerous ingenious local repairs such that most are still working
after 7 years.

regards.

-walter


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:35 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 01:54:19PM +0545, Basanta Shrestha wrote:
  Hi all,
  We are planning on ordering the next lot of XO-4s and I need some
  suggestions on which keyboard model to choose -membrane  or
  hard/clicky one.

 I think it is great to seek input from the community, but don't forget
 to ask your OLPC contact for help as well.

  We had membrane one for our first lot and keyboard switching was
  very convenient on that model.  One reason not to choose hard/clicky
  one is that it doesn't have key for language switching ( correct me
  if I am wrong) -I have one spanish hard/clicky and it doesn't have
  that key - key 56 at
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Keyboard_layouts.

 Yes, that's a good reason not to choose the mechanical keyboard; you
 would have to customise your operating system build again, to add a
 key combination for keyboard language switch.  If the cost of
 customising is too high, you should order membrane keyboard.  I don't
 know the relative costs of the keyboards, and their replacement rates,
 but it might be factored in to your decision.

 You identified the lack of language switch key in this same thread on
 sugar-devel@ back in November 2013, from which I'll draw some status:

 Walter says use a key combination:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045724.html

 And says that customisation will be needed:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045800.html

 Then you suggest alt+space:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045807.html

 Daniel Drake says to use olpc-os-builder:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045851.html

 And you asked about the alt+space:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045857.html

 But the thread dried up on that subject because the units you received
 had a membrane keyboard, not a mechanical keyboard.

 I think you need to change the xkb files, but I'm not sure.  Do you
 have a mechanical keyboard you can test with?  If not, you'll have to
 get someone else to do this.

  Hard/Clicky on the other hard is more convenient while typing.
  Please suggest.

 I don't understand why you think it is more convenient.  To me the
 keyboards are equally convenient for an inexperienced child.  Perhaps
 you intended to mention some characteristic?

 --
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 http://quozl.linux.org.au/




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Re: [Sugar-devel] Write Activity on XO-4, spell check isn't working

2014-06-16 Thread Gustavo Duarte
Just to update you, about how we resolve this issue.

We change abiword rpms,
by abiword-2.9.3-1.git20121011.fc18.olpc2.armv7hl.rpm
libabiword-2.9.3-1.git20121011.fc18.olpc2.armv7hl.rpm.

These rpms were found on: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~dsd/repos/f18/

We made several tests, and didn't perceive slowness.

Regards.



On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Gustavo Duarte gus.dua...@gmail.com wrote:

 Many Thanks Gonzalo, I'm going to do some test with spell check enabled
 and let you know the results.

 Regards.



 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:

 Hi Gustavo,
 We disabled spell checking in abiword rpms, because made Write activity
 very slow [1]
 You can compile rpms with the spell enabled using the specs and patches
 located here [2]
 The ideal solution would be find the slowness reason.
 Surely will need work on the abiword sources.

 Gonzalo

 [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4124
 [2] https://git.sugarlabs.org/olpc-abiword-rpm


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Gustavo Duarte gus.dua...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi guys,

 The spell check, on write activity of my XO-4 touch, I mean when I write
 a word misspelled, it isn't red underlined.

 I'm using Write Activity 94 version downloaded from SugarLabs Activities
 page.

 Also I verified that the following packages are installed already:

 - enchant-aspell-1.6.0-5.fc18.armv7hl
 - aspell-0.60.6.1-5.fc18.armv7hl
 - aspell-es-1.11-4.fc18.armv7hl

 Thought about what it's happening here ?

 Thanks in advance.

 Gustavo.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Write Activity on XO-4, spell check isn't working

2014-06-16 Thread Gustavo Duarte
These rpms were compiled with check-spelling enabled.


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Gustavo Duarte gus.dua...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Just to update you, about how we resolve this issue.

 We change abiword rpms,
 by abiword-2.9.3-1.git20121011.fc18.olpc2.armv7hl.rpm
 libabiword-2.9.3-1.git20121011.fc18.olpc2.armv7hl.rpm.

 These rpms were found on: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~dsd/repos/f18/

 We made several tests, and didn't perceive slowness.

 Regards.



 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Gustavo Duarte gus.dua...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Many Thanks Gonzalo, I'm going to do some test with spell check enabled
 and let you know the results.

 Regards.



 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:

 Hi Gustavo,
 We disabled spell checking in abiword rpms, because made Write activity
 very slow [1]
 You can compile rpms with the spell enabled using the specs and patches
 located here [2]
 The ideal solution would be find the slowness reason.
 Surely will need work on the abiword sources.

 Gonzalo

 [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4124
 [2] https://git.sugarlabs.org/olpc-abiword-rpm


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Gustavo Duarte gus.dua...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi guys,

 The spell check, on write activity of my XO-4 touch, I mean when I
 write a word misspelled, it isn't red underlined.

 I'm using Write Activity 94 version downloaded from SugarLabs
 Activities page.

 Also I verified that the following packages are installed already:

 - enchant-aspell-1.6.0-5.fc18.armv7hl
 - aspell-0.60.6.1-5.fc18.armv7hl
 - aspell-es-1.11-4.fc18.armv7hl

 Thought about what it's happening here ?

 Thanks in advance.

 Gustavo.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Write Activity on XO-4, spell check isn't working

2014-06-16 Thread Gustavo Duarte
Yeap, I did that, also.




On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
wrote:

 Thanks Gustavo. Maybe the slowness was related to other issue?
 Did you enabled the suggestions menu?

 Gonzalo


 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Gustavo Duarte gus.dua...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 These rpms were compiled with check-spelling enabled.


 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Gustavo Duarte gus.dua...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Just to update you, about how we resolve this issue.

 We change abiword rpms,
 by abiword-2.9.3-1.git20121011.fc18.olpc2.armv7hl.rpm
 libabiword-2.9.3-1.git20121011.fc18.olpc2.armv7hl.rpm.

 These rpms were found on: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~dsd/repos/f18/

 We made several tests, and didn't perceive slowness.

 Regards.



 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Gustavo Duarte gus.dua...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Many Thanks Gonzalo, I'm going to do some test with spell check enabled
 and let you know the results.

 Regards.



 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:

 Hi Gustavo,
 We disabled spell checking in abiword rpms, because made Write
 activity very slow [1]
 You can compile rpms with the spell enabled using the specs and
 patches located here [2]
 The ideal solution would be find the slowness reason.
 Surely will need work on the abiword sources.

 Gonzalo

 [1] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4124
 [2] https://git.sugarlabs.org/olpc-abiword-rpm


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Gustavo Duarte gus.dua...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi guys,

 The spell check, on write activity of my XO-4 touch, I mean when I
 write a word misspelled, it isn't red underlined.

 I'm using Write Activity 94 version downloaded from SugarLabs
 Activities page.

 Also I verified that the following packages are installed already:

 - enchant-aspell-1.6.0-5.fc18.armv7hl
 - aspell-0.60.6.1-5.fc18.armv7hl
 - aspell-es-1.11-4.fc18.armv7hl

 Thought about what it's happening here ?

 Thanks in advance.

 Gustavo.

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[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Maze-25

2014-06-16 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4071

Sugar Platform:
0.96 - 0.100

Download Now:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/28971/maze-25.xo

Release notes:
Version 25
* Ported to cairo
* Removed all pygame
* Added a finish game window
* Implemented game using the accelerometer (only when in ebook mode)
* Show elapsed time as min:secs if time  1 minute - Fixes #3467
* Add a option to show/hide the trail
* Show a alert to the user when the xo go to ebook mode
* Updated translations


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Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread James Cameron
I have no such data, sorry.

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 07:13:48AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
 James,
 
 Do we have any data re the mechanical
 reliability/durability/repairability of the hard/clicky keyboards?
 We do know that although there were some issues with membrane
 pealing (presumably resolved with the newer design) there numerous
 ingenious local repairs such that most are still working after 7
 years.
 
 regards.
 
 -walter

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Problems in installing sugar

2014-06-16 Thread Sam Parkinson
Hi

Is there a file '.lock' in your sugar build folder?  (Use 'ls -a')

If there is try removing it.

Sam
On Jun 16, 2014 7:17 PM, Abhay Sibal abhaysibal2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi!

  I am installing sugar on my laptop (HP 6730b 4GB RAM) on an Ubuntu 12.10.

  As mentioned on the developer site :

  *http://developer.sugarlabs.org/dev-environment.md.html
 http://developer.sugarlabs.org/dev-environment.md.html*.

  I am following the steps mentioned.

 However, after executing this command:


 *./osbuild pull*


 the following line is printed:

 abhay@ubuntu:~/InternWork/sugar-build$ ./osbuild pull
 *Another osbuild instance is running.*

 I tried *restarting* my computer and also used the following command:

 sudo rm -Rf sugar-build/

 to reinstall the package, but it did not help. The problem seems to be
 somewhere in a lockfile , which is not getting deleted.

 --Reffering lines 451-453 in the code:



 *if not check_lock():print(Another osbuild instance is
 running.)return False*

 Please guide me on this!

 Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread John Watlington

Walter,
   You remember correctly.  The hard/clicky/crunchy keyboards are not rated
for as long a lifetime as the membrane/chewy keyboards.   While the membrane
keyboard design was tested to 5 million key presses, IIRC the clicky keyboard is
only rated to 1 million key presses.   (On the other hand, it takes one minute
to replace a clicky keyboard versus twenty for a membrane keyboard.)

WARNING:  The clicky keyboard was not approved for use by small children
by UL.   The reason is that if the keys are pulled off they present a choking
hazard.

Cheers,
wad

On Jun 16, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

 James,
 
 Do we have any data re the mechanical reliability/durability/repairability of 
 the hard/clicky keyboards? We do know that although there were some issues 
 with membrane pealing (presumably resolved with the newer design) there 
 numerous ingenious local repairs such that most are still working after 7 
 years.
 
 regards.
 
 -walter
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:35 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 01:54:19PM +0545, Basanta Shrestha wrote:
  Hi all,
  We are planning on ordering the next lot of XO-4s and I need some
  suggestions on which keyboard model to choose -membrane  or
  hard/clicky one.
 
 I think it is great to seek input from the community, but don't forget
 to ask your OLPC contact for help as well.
 
  We had membrane one for our first lot and keyboard switching was
  very convenient on that model.  One reason not to choose hard/clicky
  one is that it doesn't have key for language switching ( correct me
  if I am wrong) -I have one spanish hard/clicky and it doesn't have
  that key - key 56 at
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Keyboard_layouts.
 
 Yes, that's a good reason not to choose the mechanical keyboard; you
 would have to customise your operating system build again, to add a
 key combination for keyboard language switch.  If the cost of
 customising is too high, you should order membrane keyboard.  I don't
 know the relative costs of the keyboards, and their replacement rates,
 but it might be factored in to your decision.
 
 You identified the lack of language switch key in this same thread on
 sugar-devel@ back in November 2013, from which I'll draw some status:
 
 Walter says use a key combination:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045724.html
 
 And says that customisation will be needed:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045800.html
 
 Then you suggest alt+space:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045807.html
 
 Daniel Drake says to use olpc-os-builder:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045851.html
 
 And you asked about the alt+space:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045857.html
 
 But the thread dried up on that subject because the units you received
 had a membrane keyboard, not a mechanical keyboard.
 
 I think you need to change the xkb files, but I'm not sure.  Do you
 have a mechanical keyboard you can test with?  If not, you'll have to
 get someone else to do this.
 
  Hard/Clicky on the other hard is more convenient while typing.
  Please suggest.
 
 I don't understand why you think it is more convenient.  To me the
 keyboards are equally convenient for an inexperienced child.  Perhaps
 you intended to mention some characteristic?
 
 --
 James Cameron
 http://quozl.linux.org.au/
 
 
 
 -- 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Sameer Verma
On a related note, I was curious about deployment experiences with the
new membrane design with plastic grid in between keys. Although this
does help with premature peeling of keys, I've always had trouble with
these keyboards - the outer edges of my fingers get in the way of a
full key depress. Then again, the keys aren't designed for me, so I'm
curious how these do in the field.

cheers,
Sameer

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:03 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote:

 Walter,
You remember correctly.  The hard/clicky/crunchy keyboards are not rated
 for as long a lifetime as the membrane/chewy keyboards.   While the membrane
 keyboard design was tested to 5 million key presses, IIRC the clicky
 keyboard is
 only rated to 1 million key presses.   (On the other hand, it takes one
 minute
 to replace a clicky keyboard versus twenty for a membrane keyboard.)

 WARNING:  The clicky keyboard was not approved for use by small children
 by UL.   The reason is that if the keys are pulled off they present a
 choking
 hazard.

 Cheers,
 wad

 On Jun 16, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Walter Bender wrote:

 James,

 Do we have any data re the mechanical reliability/durability/repairability
 of the hard/clicky keyboards? We do know that although there were some
 issues with membrane pealing (presumably resolved with the newer design)
 there numerous ingenious local repairs such that most are still working
 after 7 years.

 regards.

 -walter


 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:35 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 01:54:19PM +0545, Basanta Shrestha wrote:
  Hi all,
  We are planning on ordering the next lot of XO-4s and I need some
  suggestions on which keyboard model to choose -membrane  or
  hard/clicky one.

 I think it is great to seek input from the community, but don't forget
 to ask your OLPC contact for help as well.

  We had membrane one for our first lot and keyboard switching was
  very convenient on that model.  One reason not to choose hard/clicky
  one is that it doesn't have key for language switching ( correct me
  if I am wrong) -I have one spanish hard/clicky and it doesn't have
  that key - key 56 at
  http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Keyboard_layouts.

 Yes, that's a good reason not to choose the mechanical keyboard; you
 would have to customise your operating system build again, to add a
 key combination for keyboard language switch.  If the cost of
 customising is too high, you should order membrane keyboard.  I don't
 know the relative costs of the keyboards, and their replacement rates,
 but it might be factored in to your decision.

 You identified the lack of language switch key in this same thread on
 sugar-devel@ back in November 2013, from which I'll draw some status:

 Walter says use a key combination:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045724.html

 And says that customisation will be needed:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045800.html

 Then you suggest alt+space:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045807.html

 Daniel Drake says to use olpc-os-builder:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045851.html

 And you asked about the alt+space:
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2013-November/045857.html

 But the thread dried up on that subject because the units you received
 had a membrane keyboard, not a mechanical keyboard.

 I think you need to change the xkb files, but I'm not sure.  Do you
 have a mechanical keyboard you can test with?  If not, you'll have to
 get someone else to do this.

  Hard/Clicky on the other hard is more convenient while typing.
  Please suggest.

 I don't understand why you think it is more convenient.  To me the
 keyboards are equally convenient for an inexperienced child.  Perhaps
 you intended to mention some characteristic?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread John Watlington

On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:03 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote:
 
 Walter,
You remember correctly.  The hard/clicky/crunchy keyboards are not rated
 for as long a lifetime as the membrane/chewy keyboards.   While the membrane
 keyboard design was tested to 5 million key presses, IIRC the clicky keyboard 
 is
 only rated to 1 million key presses.   (On the other hand, it takes one minute
 to replace a clicky keyboard versus twenty for a membrane keyboard.)
 
 ..if you have a replacement keyboard... any insight into how easy it would be 
 to make replacement keys in the field?

I would say impossible, but that would be underestimating the creativeness of
our deployments.

At the electrical level, the crunchy and chewy keyboards have the same contacts,
so I don't expect that to be the failure mechanism.   Failure should be due to 
the
mechanical parts (as it is with the membrane keyboards).   If you pull off the 
keycap
and the guide mechanism, the key still activates when you press on the membrane
or the rubber cap (which provides both the spring action and presses on the 
contacts)
glued to it.

Cheers,
wad

 WARNING:  The clicky keyboard was not approved for use by small children
 by UL.   The reason is that if the keys are pulled off they present a choking
 hazard.
 
 Cheers,
 wad
 

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Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking help to enable nepali keyboard input for XO-4

2014-06-16 Thread Sameer Verma
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:19 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote:

 On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Walter Bender wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:03 PM, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote:


 Walter,
You remember correctly.  The hard/clicky/crunchy keyboards are not
 rated
 for as long a lifetime as the membrane/chewy keyboards.   While the
 membrane
 keyboard design was tested to 5 million key presses, IIRC the clicky
 keyboard is
 only rated to 1 million key presses.   (On the other hand, it takes one
 minute
 to replace a clicky keyboard versus twenty for a membrane keyboard.)


 ..if you have a replacement keyboard... any insight into how easy it would
 be to make replacement keys in the field?


 I would say impossible, but that would be underestimating the creativeness
 of
 our deployments.

 At the electrical level, the crunchy and chewy keyboards have the same
 contacts,
 so I don't expect that to be the failure mechanism.   Failure should be due
 to the
 mechanical parts (as it is with the membrane keyboards).   If you pull off
 the keycap
 and the guide mechanism, the key still activates when you press on the
 membrane
 or the rubber cap (which provides both the spring action and presses on the
 contacts)
 glued to it.


Back in January 2013, while visiting Khairat (India) I saw a couple of
girls using the eraser end of a pencil to push the torn keys on their
XO-1s from 2007 (which BTW still hold charge and run the mesh!).

Sameer

 Cheers,
 wad

 WARNING:  The clicky keyboard was not approved for use by small children
 by UL.   The reason is that if the keys are pulled off they present a
 choking
 hazard.

 Cheers,
 wad



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