Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Outreach Plans 2019 - PyCon Cleveland

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Samson

At the time I will be in Germany. I expect to attend Europython in Basel 
July 8-14. I also plan to attend All Things Open in Raleigh NC October 13-15


Tony

On 4/15/19 5:02 PM, Samson Goddy wrote:

Hi Tony,

I agree with you. Are you coming to Pycon?


Regards

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 9:55 AM Tony Anderson > wrote:


What Sugar Labs needs to survive is users. If our count of active
users
reaches zero, there will be no need for developers (or Sugar Labs).

A Conference like PyCon is an opportunity to show that Sugar is a
viable
educational platform. So marketing does not need to be concerned
about
$, it needs to be concerned about the characteristics of Sugar
that make
it an attractive option for educators. At such a conference it is
possible to make presentations - ofen there is an educational track.
More importantly there is an opportunity to have an exhibit (booth).
This booth can provide many examples of Sugar running on platforms
other
than the XO (make sure there some XO pictures visible since this
attracts interest to a booth.) Sugarizer can demonstrate that
Sugar is
available for smartphones, tablets and other devices. Sugar can
show its
capabilities on Ubuntu, Raspbian. Windows is a special case since
Miccrosoft has been able to lock educators into Windows. Showing that
Sugar is viable in a Windows-based deployment may be beyond our
current
cabability.

Our goal should be to attract new contributors and to find new
deployment opportunities.

Tony

On 4/15/19 2:28 PM, James Cameron wrote:
> You've all had an interesting discussion.  I'll add my points
now; in
> the form of questions and answers.
>
>
> Q: are there funds available for marketing?
>
> A: in motion 2019-01 on 4th January, the Oversight Board
preserved the
> GSoC 2018 mentor stipends for marketing,
>
>
> Q: are there any other funds available for marketing?
>
> A: yes, the Oversight Board could spend up to about $90k, but such a
> spend would have to have compelling justification.  Swag isn't
> compelling.
>
>
> Q: have funds been spent on marketing?
>
> A: yes, the Oversight Board agreed to spend money on travel for two
> members to PyCon 2019.
>
>
> Q: how will the rest of the funds be spent?
>
> A: apart from reserving funds for marketing expenses relating to
> SCaLE, and not yet applied for, the Oversight Board has made no
other
> decision.
>
> However, the board has received some marketing plans, has asked for
> changes, and will hear any proposals.
>
>
> Q: will a proposal or marketing plan have greater merit if it comes
> from a team who call themselves marketing?
>
> A: no, because;
>
> - the Oversight Board has not formed a marketing team,
>
> - our original marketing team, who had people qualified in
marketing,
>    left long ago,
>
> - the Oversight Board consist of developers or other subject matter
>    experts, can see a claim for legitimacy a mile off, and
discount it
>    easily,
>
>
> Q: but isn't there's a marketing team on the Wiki?
>
> A: it is out of date.
>
>
> Q: but aren't there a whole lot of teams on the Wiki?
>
> A: it is out of date.  Please work together with all of Sugar Labs,
> don't look for a team.
>
>
> Q: does the Software Freedom Conservancy control the funds?
>
> A: to a limited extent.  The Conservancy will act on decisions
by the
> Oversight Board provided those decisions are legal and follow
> Conservancy policies, so any marketing also has to follow those
> policies.
>
>
> Comment;
>
> Gathering more developers who are active is our key to survival as a
> community.  If our count of active developers reaches zero,
there will
> be a short delay and then something in the environment will
change and
> Sugar, Sugarizer or Music Blocks won't be usable.  That is one of
> reasons why we are engaged with Google Summer of Code and Google
> Season of Docs.
>
> We have some people who are interested in helping but have yet to
> learn the skills to contribute actively.  I'd like to see that
change.
> Get started with programming, write new Sugar activities, fix
> activities, and write documentation.
>
>
> Q: what will happen if I do nothing except talk?
>
> A: nothing.  ;-)
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:58:14AM +0530, Sumit Srivastava wrote:
>> Hi, Vipul, Jaskirat, and all members of SL community!
>>
>> These days I'm thinking about two things:
>>
>> 1. How to expand the SL developer community?
>>
>> 2. How do we move towards the vision for sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Outreach Plans 2019 - PyCon Cleveland (Tony Anderson)

[Tony Anderson]

Agreed. I think Sugarizer has a better immediate opportunity to attract 
new users than Sugar/Python.


On 4/15/19 5:37 PM, Lionel Laské wrote:


Hi Tony,

+1 on this.

BTW Sugar/Python is not the only way to grow user base.
For your information, we're currently deploying Sugarizer in 3 schools 
in the Saint-Ouen city near Paris. It means about 150 Android tablets 
with Sugarizer OS installed on it, used by few hundred children.


Regards.

    Lionel.


Le lun. 15 avr. 2019 à 11:03, > a écrit :



Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:42:52 +0800
From: Tony Anderson mailto:tony_ander...@usa.net>>
To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Outreach Plans 2019 - PyCon Cleveland
Message-ID: mailto:a42719ae-037d-9224-c420-fb98df7a6...@usa.net>>
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What Sugar Labs needs to survive is users. If our count of active
users
reaches zero, there will be no need for developers (or Sugar Labs).

A Conference like PyCon is an opportunity to show that Sugar is a
viable
educational platform. So marketing does not need to be concerned
about
$, it needs to be concerned about the characteristics of Sugar
that make
it an attractive option for educators. At such a conference it is
possible to make presentations - ofen there is an educational track.
More importantly there is an opportunity to have an exhibit (booth).
This booth can provide many examples of Sugar running on platforms
other
than the XO (make sure there some XO pictures visible since this
attracts interest to a booth.) Sugarizer can demonstrate that
Sugar is
available for smartphones, tablets and other devices. Sugar can
show its
capabilities on Ubuntu, Raspbian. Windows is a special case since
Miccrosoft has been able to lock educators into Windows. Showing that
Sugar is viable in a Windows-based deployment may be beyond our
current
cabability.

Our goal should be to attract new contributors and to find new
deployment opportunities.

Tony


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[Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs presence at PyCon (was: Re: Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 126, Issue 52)

[Alex Perez]

Sugar Labs already has plans to have a presence at this years PyCon, 
which is April 30th through May 10th in Cleveland, Ohio, USA.


I will be there personally, in my capacity as Oversight Board member, as 
will Samson Goddy. Ibiam had hoped to attend but had difficulty with his 
visa application, and eventually decided to cease pursuing the matter 
further.


Suggesting we be present there seems to indicate that some of the member 
base is simply unaware of ongoing plans and activities.


I would encourage members to read the minutes of previous meetings at 
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes


and specifically 
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2019-03-01


Information on when and where (via IRC) the meetings are held are 
available at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board


Any member of the community is welcome to join and observe the meeting, 
as well as ask questions before and after.


Regards,
Alex Perez

paul hunter wrote on 4/13/19 11:20 AM:

In my opinion, representing Sugar at PyCon would be a great idea.
I really would like to get my hands on any archive if available


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From: Vipul Gupta mailto:vipulgupta2...@gmail.com>>
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Hello folks,
At the end of 2018, we started the Outreach works for Sugar Labs.
At first,
we thought of sharing several accomplishments throughout Google
Code-In to
keep the people in the loop on various social media platforms, as
well as
sharing experiences of Google Summer of Code students and their
projects
held in 2018 for a positive impact.

We thought we can go bigger and with that thought in mind
represent Sugar
Labs on larger platforms in front of communities. I proposed PyCon
to be a
great choice for the same. Considering OLPC represented XO laptops
being
part of PyCon 2008 (An article by Tony
)
Hence, we submitted a proposal for talks about Sugar Labs in the
Education
Summit of PyCon Cleveland 2019, and I am very happy to inform that
we have
in fact been selected. It's a great accomplishment for us all.

Samson would be representing our community at PyCon Cleveland. I,
unfortunately, due to my university exams won't be able to go. As
much as I
loved drafting the proposal with Samson and be would like to meet
and talk
about Sugar Labs, I am happy that Samson has a chance to be at
PyCon and
will do great. We are still raw in your efforts and have lots to
improve.
Would love to have more suggestions on things we should be doing,
and also
planning to hold workshops regarding Sugar in many countries in
the near
future.

Thanks,

Cordially,
Vipul Gupta
Mixster  | Github

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Outreach Plans 2019 - PyCon Cleveland (Tony Anderson)

[Lionel Laské]

Hi Tony,

+1 on this.

BTW Sugar/Python is not the only way to grow user base.
For your information, we're currently deploying Sugarizer in 3 schools in
the Saint-Ouen city near Paris. It means about 150 Android tablets with
Sugarizer OS installed on it, used by few hundred children.

Regards.

Lionel.


Le lun. 15 avr. 2019 à 11:03,  a
écrit :

>
> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:42:52 +0800
> From: Tony Anderson 
> To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Outreach Plans 2019 - PyCon Cleveland
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> What Sugar Labs needs to survive is users. If our count of active users
> reaches zero, there will be no need for developers (or Sugar Labs).
>
> A Conference like PyCon is an opportunity to show that Sugar is a viable
> educational platform. So marketing does not need to be concerned about
> $, it needs to be concerned about the characteristics of Sugar that make
> it an attractive option for educators. At such a conference it is
> possible to make presentations - ofen there is an educational track.
> More importantly there is an opportunity to have an exhibit (booth).
> This booth can provide many examples of Sugar running on platforms other
> than the XO (make sure there some XO pictures visible since this
> attracts interest to a booth.) Sugarizer can demonstrate that Sugar is
> available for smartphones, tablets and other devices. Sugar can show its
> capabilities on Ubuntu, Raspbian. Windows is a special case since
> Miccrosoft has been able to lock educators into Windows. Showing that
> Sugar is viable in a Windows-based deployment may be beyond our current
> cabability.
>
> Our goal should be to attract new contributors and to find new
> deployment opportunities.
>
> Tony
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Outreach Plans 2019 - PyCon Cleveland

[Samson Goddy]

Hi Tony,

I agree with you. Are you coming to Pycon?


Regards

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019, 9:55 AM Tony Anderson  wrote:

> What Sugar Labs needs to survive is users. If our count of active users
> reaches zero, there will be no need for developers (or Sugar Labs).
>
> A Conference like PyCon is an opportunity to show that Sugar is a viable
> educational platform. So marketing does not need to be concerned about
> $, it needs to be concerned about the characteristics of Sugar that make
> it an attractive option for educators. At such a conference it is
> possible to make presentations - ofen there is an educational track.
> More importantly there is an opportunity to have an exhibit (booth).
> This booth can provide many examples of Sugar running on platforms other
> than the XO (make sure there some XO pictures visible since this
> attracts interest to a booth.) Sugarizer can demonstrate that Sugar is
> available for smartphones, tablets and other devices. Sugar can show its
> capabilities on Ubuntu, Raspbian. Windows is a special case since
> Miccrosoft has been able to lock educators into Windows. Showing that
> Sugar is viable in a Windows-based deployment may be beyond our current
> cabability.
>
> Our goal should be to attract new contributors and to find new
> deployment opportunities.
>
> Tony
>
> On 4/15/19 2:28 PM, James Cameron wrote:
> > You've all had an interesting discussion.  I'll add my points now; in
> > the form of questions and answers.
> >
> >
> > Q: are there funds available for marketing?
> >
> > A: in motion 2019-01 on 4th January, the Oversight Board preserved the
> > GSoC 2018 mentor stipends for marketing,
> >
> >
> > Q: are there any other funds available for marketing?
> >
> > A: yes, the Oversight Board could spend up to about $90k, but such a
> > spend would have to have compelling justification.  Swag isn't
> > compelling.
> >
> >
> > Q: have funds been spent on marketing?
> >
> > A: yes, the Oversight Board agreed to spend money on travel for two
> > members to PyCon 2019.
> >
> >
> > Q: how will the rest of the funds be spent?
> >
> > A: apart from reserving funds for marketing expenses relating to
> > SCaLE, and not yet applied for, the Oversight Board has made no other
> > decision.
> >
> > However, the board has received some marketing plans, has asked for
> > changes, and will hear any proposals.
> >
> >
> > Q: will a proposal or marketing plan have greater merit if it comes
> > from a team who call themselves marketing?
> >
> > A: no, because;
> >
> > - the Oversight Board has not formed a marketing team,
> >
> > - our original marketing team, who had people qualified in marketing,
> >left long ago,
> >
> > - the Oversight Board consist of developers or other subject matter
> >experts, can see a claim for legitimacy a mile off, and discount it
> >easily,
> >
> >
> > Q: but isn't there's a marketing team on the Wiki?
> >
> > A: it is out of date.
> >
> >
> > Q: but aren't there a whole lot of teams on the Wiki?
> >
> > A: it is out of date.  Please work together with all of Sugar Labs,
> > don't look for a team.
> >
> >
> > Q: does the Software Freedom Conservancy control the funds?
> >
> > A: to a limited extent.  The Conservancy will act on decisions by the
> > Oversight Board provided those decisions are legal and follow
> > Conservancy policies, so any marketing also has to follow those
> > policies.
> >
> >
> > Comment;
> >
> > Gathering more developers who are active is our key to survival as a
> > community.  If our count of active developers reaches zero, there will
> > be a short delay and then something in the environment will change and
> > Sugar, Sugarizer or Music Blocks won't be usable.  That is one of
> > reasons why we are engaged with Google Summer of Code and Google
> > Season of Docs.
> >
> > We have some people who are interested in helping but have yet to
> > learn the skills to contribute actively.  I'd like to see that change.
> > Get started with programming, write new Sugar activities, fix
> > activities, and write documentation.
> >
> >
> > Q: what will happen if I do nothing except talk?
> >
> > A: nothing.  ;-)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:58:14AM +0530, Sumit Srivastava wrote:
> >> Hi, Vipul, Jaskirat, and all members of SL community!
> >>
> >> These days I'm thinking about two things:
> >>
> >> 1. How to expand the SL developer community?
> >>
> >> 2. How do we move towards the vision for sugar labs that was discussed
> a few
> >> weeks ago in an email thread?
> >>
> >> As of now, I've some ideas for *1*, but need more inputs from everyone.
> Shall I
> >> start a new thread for new inputs?
> >>
> >> And yes, I'm constantly thinking about how can we make great things
> happen in
> >> the community. Glad that you noticed.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Sumit
> >>
> >> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, 12:51 am Jaskirat Singh, <[1]
> juskirat2...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Thanks Vipul for taking this up, The funds that were granted by

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Outreach Plans 2019 - PyCon Cleveland

[Tony Anderson]

What Sugar Labs needs to survive is users. If our count of active users 
reaches zero, there will be no need for developers (or Sugar Labs).


A Conference like PyCon is an opportunity to show that Sugar is a viable 
educational platform. So marketing does not need to be concerned about 
$, it needs to be concerned about the characteristics of Sugar that make 
it an attractive option for educators. At such a conference it is 
possible to make presentations - ofen there is an educational track. 
More importantly there is an opportunity to have an exhibit (booth). 
This booth can provide many examples of Sugar running on platforms other 
than the XO (make sure there some XO pictures visible since this 
attracts interest to a booth.) Sugarizer can demonstrate that Sugar is 
available for smartphones, tablets and other devices. Sugar can show its 
capabilities on Ubuntu, Raspbian. Windows is a special case since 
Miccrosoft has been able to lock educators into Windows. Showing that 
Sugar is viable in a Windows-based deployment may be beyond our current 
cabability.


Our goal should be to attract new contributors and to find new 
deployment opportunities.


Tony

On 4/15/19 2:28 PM, James Cameron wrote:

You've all had an interesting discussion.  I'll add my points now; in
the form of questions and answers.


Q: are there funds available for marketing?

A: in motion 2019-01 on 4th January, the Oversight Board preserved the
GSoC 2018 mentor stipends for marketing,


Q: are there any other funds available for marketing?

A: yes, the Oversight Board could spend up to about $90k, but such a
spend would have to have compelling justification.  Swag isn't
compelling.


Q: have funds been spent on marketing?

A: yes, the Oversight Board agreed to spend money on travel for two
members to PyCon 2019.


Q: how will the rest of the funds be spent?

A: apart from reserving funds for marketing expenses relating to
SCaLE, and not yet applied for, the Oversight Board has made no other
decision.

However, the board has received some marketing plans, has asked for
changes, and will hear any proposals.


Q: will a proposal or marketing plan have greater merit if it comes
from a team who call themselves marketing?

A: no, because;

- the Oversight Board has not formed a marketing team,

- our original marketing team, who had people qualified in marketing,
   left long ago,

- the Oversight Board consist of developers or other subject matter
   experts, can see a claim for legitimacy a mile off, and discount it
   easily,


Q: but isn't there's a marketing team on the Wiki?

A: it is out of date.


Q: but aren't there a whole lot of teams on the Wiki?

A: it is out of date.  Please work together with all of Sugar Labs,
don't look for a team.


Q: does the Software Freedom Conservancy control the funds?

A: to a limited extent.  The Conservancy will act on decisions by the
Oversight Board provided those decisions are legal and follow
Conservancy policies, so any marketing also has to follow those
policies.


Comment;

Gathering more developers who are active is our key to survival as a
community.  If our count of active developers reaches zero, there will
be a short delay and then something in the environment will change and
Sugar, Sugarizer or Music Blocks won't be usable.  That is one of
reasons why we are engaged with Google Summer of Code and Google
Season of Docs.

We have some people who are interested in helping but have yet to
learn the skills to contribute actively.  I'd like to see that change.
Get started with programming, write new Sugar activities, fix
activities, and write documentation.


Q: what will happen if I do nothing except talk?

A: nothing.  ;-)


On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 12:58:14AM +0530, Sumit Srivastava wrote:

Hi, Vipul, Jaskirat, and all members of SL community!

These days I'm thinking about two things:

1. How to expand the SL developer community?

2. How do we move towards the vision for sugar labs that was discussed a few
weeks ago in an email thread?

As of now, I've some ideas for *1*, but need more inputs from everyone. Shall I
start a new thread for new inputs?

And yes, I'm constantly thinking about how can we make great things happen in
the community. Glad that you noticed.

Regards
Sumit

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, 12:51 am Jaskirat Singh, <[1]juskirat2...@gmail.com>
wrote:

 Thanks Vipul for taking this up, The funds that were granted by Google  for
 GSOC ( I guess ) remains with the community and it is being controlled by
 SFC of which Sugar Labs is a member project.
 I see that Sumit initiated about swags, but maybe it might not have been
 made to move further due to absence of the budget proposal.

 So if anyone of us can try working on proposal for marketing along with a
 marketing team that would be great and would become easy for Board to
 review and add up their decisions.

 On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, 12:39 am Vipul Gupta <[2]vipulgupta2...@gmail.com
 wrote