[Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
Hello, here is an initial schedule for 0.100 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Roadmap Notes: * Still unclear if it's going to be 0.100 or 1.0. We should probably decide after we know what the focus of the release is going to be. * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? * I merged a few freezes together to simplify things. * Relevant GNOME and Fedora schedules are still unknown so I couldn't try to sync with those. Thoughts? -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
Thanks for your work... Will be good to start scheduling the next Sugar major release. I'm glad because I have been waiting to sinc the documentation team schedule. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Documentation_Team/Notes/1.0#Schedule Best regards, Daniel. 2013/3/27 Daniel Narvaez > Hello, > > here is an initial schedule for 0.100 > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Roadmap > > Notes: > > * Still unclear if it's going to be 0.100 or 1.0. We should probably > decide after we know what the focus of the release is going to be. > * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually > worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? > * I merged a few freezes together to simplify things. > * Relevant GNOME and Fedora schedules are still unknown so I couldn't > try to sync with those. > > Thoughts? > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
IMHO, Feature should not be frozen at the same time than String, UI and ABI Gonzalo On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Hello, > > here is an initial schedule for 0.100 > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Roadmap > > Notes: > > * Still unclear if it's going to be 0.100 or 1.0. We should probably > decide after we know what the focus of the release is going to be. > * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually > worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? > * I merged a few freezes together to simplify things. > * Relevant GNOME and Fedora schedules are still unknown so I couldn't > try to sync with those. > > Thoughts? > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
Can you elaborate on the reason? Refining features might require breaking String/UI/ABI? On 27 March 2013 15:30, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > IMHO, Feature should not be frozen at the same time than String, UI and ABI > > Gonzalo > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> here is an initial schedule for 0.100 >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Roadmap >> >> Notes: >> >> * Still unclear if it's going to be 0.100 or 1.0. We should probably >> decide after we know what the focus of the release is going to be. >> * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually >> worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? >> * I merged a few freezes together to simplify things. >> * Relevant GNOME and Fedora schedules are still unknown so I couldn't >> try to sync with those. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> -- >> Daniel Narvaez >> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Can you elaborate on the reason? Refining features might require > breaking String/UI/ABI? > > Usually, we have a date to decide when a Feature is accepted or should be in the next cycle, but after that, can be included small changes. Also Features are big changes, we want get them included soon, but can be other fixes or changes requiring string or UI changes allowed later in the cycle. Gonzalo > On 27 March 2013 15:30, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > > IMHO, Feature should not be frozen at the same time than String, UI and > ABI > > > > Gonzalo > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Daniel Narvaez > wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> here is an initial schedule for 0.100 > >> > >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Roadmap > >> > >> Notes: > >> > >> * Still unclear if it's going to be 0.100 or 1.0. We should probably > >> decide after we know what the focus of the release is going to be. > >> * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually > >> worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? > >> * I merged a few freezes together to simplify things. > >> * Relevant GNOME and Fedora schedules are still unknown so I couldn't > >> try to sync with those. > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> > >> -- > >> Daniel Narvaez > >> > >> ___ > >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > > > > -- > Daniel Narvaez > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 27 March 2013 15:43, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > Usually, we have a date to decide when a Feature is accepted or should be in > the next cycle, > but after that, can be included small changes. You are probably referring the to feature acceptance deadline here. Feature freeze does not seem to make a difference between small and big features http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release#Feature_freeze > Also Features are big changes, we want get them included soon, > but can be other fixes or changes requiring string or UI changes > allowed later in the cycle. It's just a couple of weeks later (looking at 0.98), so I'm not sure it makes much of a difference. Anyway I don't have a strong feeling against it, so I made that change. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 27 March 2013 15:43, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > > Usually, we have a date to decide when a Feature is accepted or should > be in > > the next cycle, > > but after that, can be included small changes. > > You are probably referring the to feature acceptance deadline here. > Ok. Then, when should be feature acceptance deadline? Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 27 March 2013 16:04, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > Ok. Then, when should be feature acceptance deadline? Yeah, that's something I'm stiill thinking about. As maintainers requested in other threads, it might make sense to try and narrow the focus of this release and join forces on one or few shared goals. I'm not sure how to get there though! The acceptance deadline used to be very near to freeze (one month earlier). But if we want to narrow the release focus, perhaps it's good to have this discussion as soon as possible... ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
The acceptance deadline used to be very near to freeze (one month > earlier). But if we want to narrow the release focus, perhaps it's > good to have this discussion as soon as possible... > +1 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
Hi all. I would request to include the following features for the next release cycle :: a) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Multi_selection * The UI workflow was heavily reviewed by Gary, and all the changes incorporated. * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. b) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. Both of these were already the agreed part of http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.98/Feature_List :) On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > The acceptance deadline used to be very near to freeze (one month > >> earlier). But if we want to narrow the release focus, perhaps it's >> good to have this discussion as soon as possible... >> > > +1 > > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- Regards, Ajay Garg Dextrose Developer Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
Hi Ajay, Should be good you provide patches we can apply on actual sugar as soon as possible. Honestly, I am worried about the Multiple Selection. Is a really big change. Gonzalo On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Ajay Garg wrote: > Hi all. > > I would request to include the following features for the next release > cycle :: > > > a) > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Multi_selection > > * The UI workflow was heavily reviewed by Gary, and all the changes > incorporated. > * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. > > > b) > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support > > * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. > > > Both of these were already the agreed part of > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.98/Feature_List :) > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > >> The acceptance deadline used to be very near to freeze (one month >> >>> earlier). But if we want to narrow the release focus, perhaps it's >>> good to have this discussion as soon as possible... >>> >> >> +1 >> >> >> >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> > > > -- > Regards, > > Ajay Garg > Dextrose Developer > Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 27 March 2013 16:31, Ajay Garg wrote: > b) > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support > > * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. Has it been ported to network manager 0.9? The "Benefit to Sugar" section is a bit terse. It would be interesting to know which users this is going to benefit. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > Hi Ajay, > Should be good you provide patches we can apply on actual sugar > as soon as possible. > Great !!! I will float the patch by this weekend (after duly testing it on sugar-build on F18). > Honestly, I am worried about the Multiple Selection. Is a really big > change. > Yes, I agree. Thankfully, there hasn't been much change on this front (except the gtk3-porting part); the feature works the same it did in DX3 (when Gary et. al. tested it). Just one request :: = please include the patch ASAP if it works 90% of the time (although it is working 100% for me at this point :P ). If it is thought that some minor-change/bug-fix is needed, it can be done "in" the mainline. That would save a lot of maintenance costs in maintaining a singular, big patch. > > > Gonzalo > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Ajay Garg wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> I would request to include the following features for the next release >> cycle :: >> >> >> a) >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Multi_selection >> >> * The UI workflow was heavily reviewed by Gary, and all the changes >> incorporated. >> * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. >> >> >> b) >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support >> >> * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. >> >> >> Both of these were already the agreed part of >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.98/Feature_List :) >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: >> >>> The acceptance deadline used to be very near to freeze (one month >>> earlier). But if we want to narrow the release focus, perhaps it's good to have this discussion as soon as possible... >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Ajay Garg >> Dextrose Developer >> Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com > > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > -- Regards, Ajay Garg Dextrose Developer Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 27 March 2013 16:31, Ajay Garg wrote: > > b) > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support > > > > * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. > > Has it been ported to network manager 0.9? > Yep :) > > The "Benefit to Sugar" section is a bit terse. It would be interesting > to know which users this is going to benefit. > -- Regards, Ajay Garg Dextrose Developer Activity Central: http://activitycentral.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 27 March 2013 16:31, Ajay Garg wrote: >> b) >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support >> >> * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. > > Has it been ported to network manager 0.9? It should really be using ModemManager and that way be supportable within gnome as well. Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 03/27/2013 01:36 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: Hello, here is an initial schedule for 0.100 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.100/Roadmap Notes: * Still unclear if it's going to be 0.100 or 1.0. We should probably decide after we know what the focus of the release is going to be. That sounds good, 0.100 is a good working name for now. * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? So far, Fedora has been picking them up and they made their way into the OLPC images that way. It is not much overhead to do, I would stick to it. * I merged a few freezes together to simplify things. Like Gonzalo said a few mails later, it is a good thing to have the Feature freeze before the UI and String freeze. Often Features have been landed just at this date and then we had to arrange for exceptions of changes for UI and Strings later. Sometimes a Feature sees quite significant changes once more people test it, that is why it is good to separate them. * Relevant GNOME and Fedora schedules are still unknown so I couldn't try to sync with those. Yes, those appear always a bit later. GNOME is usually around the end of September, so your current dates work. Thoughts? About the general strategy, it would be great to foster around a common goal, to me the html5 activities would fit perfectly here. There is still to define the exact goals of the feature itself but the research Daniel has been doing here is a good base for it. The nice thing with html5 activities is that they can be used on different platforms, for example the discussions about Sugar on Android would benefit from that work. And it would be a nice addition to get new developers on board. For the other features, I would suggest to limit them and check the ones that have been deferred previously (e.g. multi select in Journal) in releases and the one that have been submitted as of today (e.g. background in Home) for inclusion in this cycle. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 27 March 2013 16:31, Ajay Garg wrote: > b) > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support > > * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. This seems to a self contained control panel extension right? If so perhaps it should be maintained outside of the main sugar tree. If I am not mistake the extensions are already packaged separately in the distros these days. And modem support doesn't seem of very general utility. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 27 March 2013 18:47, Simon Schampijer wrote: >> * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually >> worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? > > > So far, Fedora has been picking them up and they made their way into the > OLPC images that way. It is not much overhead to do, I would stick to it. Is Fedora still going to pick these up? (Since soas is going to stick with 0.98 for F19). ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 03/27/2013 06:58 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: On 27 March 2013 18:47, Simon Schampijer wrote: * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? So far, Fedora has been picking them up and they made their way into the OLPC images that way. It is not much overhead to do, I would stick to it. Is Fedora still going to pick these up? (Since soas is going to stick with 0.98 for F19). They can pick it up for F20 then, F20 is already open :) Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 27 March 2013 19:05, Simon Schampijer wrote: > On 03/27/2013 06:58 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: >> >> On 27 March 2013 18:47, Simon Schampijer wrote: * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? >>> >>> >>> >>> So far, Fedora has been picking them up and they made their way into the >>> OLPC images that way. It is not much overhead to do, I would stick to it. >> >> >> Is Fedora still going to pick these up? (Since soas is going to stick >> with 0.98 for F19). > > > They can pick it up for F20 then, F20 is already open :) Oh I didn't know it was already open. Then I agree it make sense to build unstable tarballs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 27 Mar 2013 17:55, "Daniel Narvaez" wrote: > > On 27 March 2013 16:31, Ajay Garg wrote: > > b) > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support > > > > * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. > > This seems to a self contained control panel extension right? If so > perhaps it should be maintained outside of the main sugar tree. If I > am not mistake the extensions are already packaged separately in the > distros these days. And modem support doesn't seem of very general > utility. No, they're all in the one source package and shipped as binary sub packages to allows deployments to exclude particular modules. As a key maintainer of the primary sugar distro I prefer a single source package as its easier to maintain. Peter ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On 27 Mar 2013 17:58, "Daniel Narvaez" wrote: > > On 27 March 2013 18:47, Simon Schampijer wrote: > >> * I have not allocated dates for unstable tarballs. Is it actually > >> worth spending time building those? Is anyone using them? > > > > > > So far, Fedora has been picking them up and they made their way into the > > OLPC images that way. It is not much overhead to do, I would stick to it. > > Is Fedora still going to pick these up? (Since soas is going to stick > with 0.98 for F19). This 0.100 release is aimed for Sept timeframe and Fedora 20 will release around Halloween. The tree is already open for f20 so I'll land them as soon as they're cut for those that want true bleeding edge. Peter ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
The 3G database support feature, is only take the data to put in the fields of already existing modem support from the data xml files already used by Gnome. Is not a big change, and help to the users of modems. Also, already received feedback the last cycle, I think is safe try to land it. Gonzalo On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 27 March 2013 16:31, Ajay Garg wrote: > > b) > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support > > > > * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. > > This seems to a self contained control panel extension right? If so > perhaps it should be maintained outside of the main sugar tree. If I > am not mistake the extensions are already packaged separately in the > distros these days. And modem support doesn't seem of very general > utility. > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
Ok, we seem to have some consensus that this could/should land. I'm just trying to be defensive about adding features to mantain :) On 27 March 2013 20:30, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > The 3G database support feature, is only take the data to put in the fields > of already existing modem support from the data xml files already used by > Gnome. > Is not a big change, and help to the users of modems. > Also, already received feedback the last cycle, I think is safe try to land > it. > > Gonzalo > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: >> >> On 27 March 2013 16:31, Ajay Garg wrote: >> > b) >> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/3G_Support/Database_Support >> > >> > * The feature is completely GTK3-ported, and ready for inclusion. >> >> This seems to a self contained control panel extension right? If so >> perhaps it should be maintained outside of the main sugar tree. If I >> am not mistake the extensions are already packaged separately in the >> distros these days. And modem support doesn't seem of very general >> utility. > > -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Ok, we seem to have some consensus that this could/should land. I'm > just trying to be defensive about adding features to mantain :) > > Smart boy ;) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.100 release schedule
Added unstable releases dates. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
