Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 36 SoaS ISO spin beta ready for testing

[Walter Bender]

I gave it a quick series of tests (on the airplane -- didn't save the
logs, unfortunately)
(1) the Journal is throwing errors on all writes so no activities could save
(2) Physics activity had an error trying to create objects
(3) Abacus displays odd formatted numbers on the beads (b'5')
(4) I could change mouths, but not eyes on the Speak activity

I tested just about every activity that didn't obviously require a
network and they all seem to generally behave. (Wrote a fun new Turtle
project I may nominate to the examples.)

I'll write up some issues with logs when I get a chance.

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:12 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> The Fedora 36 beta was released earlier this week, and the SoaS spin is
> ready for testing. This 860 megabyte ISO can be downloaded from:
>
> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/36_Beta/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-36_Beta-1.4.iso
>
> Any testing reports are appreciated. Please test on both bare metal and
> in Virtual Machines, if possible.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I'm still trying to figure out how that happened and I'll try taking a look
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 9:00 AM Peter Robinson  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 1:40 AM Alex Perez  wrote:
> >
> > There's a fixed Fedora 35 SoaS ISO at
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-F35-20220211.iso
> which I have confirmed is working as expected.
> >
> > The above ISO is 1.2 gigabytes in size.
>
> Great, do we know why/how this slipped through the gaps? For those
> that aren't aware the Fedora schedule for F-36 is at the following
> link. The main date to note is the final freeze on 5th April.
>
> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-36/f-36-key-tasks.html
>
> > Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote on 2/9/2022 12:37 PM:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and
> deployed to F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can view the
> current stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3.
> >
> > --
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> > ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 1:40 AM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> There's a fixed Fedora 35 SoaS ISO at 
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-F35-20220211.iso 
> which I have confirmed is working as expected.
>
> The above ISO is 1.2 gigabytes in size.

Great, do we know why/how this slipped through the gaps? For those
that aren't aware the Fedora schedule for F-36 is at the following
link. The main date to note is the final freeze on 5th April.

https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-36/f-36-key-tasks.html

> Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote on 2/9/2022 12:37 PM:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and deployed to 
> F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can view the current 
> stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3.
>
> --
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

[Walter Bender]

Great job guys!!!

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 8:40 PM Alex Perez  wrote:

> There's a fixed Fedora 35 SoaS ISO at
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-F35-20220211.iso
> which I have confirmed is working as expected.
>
> The above ISO is 1.2 gigabytes in size.
>
> Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote on 2/9/2022 12:37 PM:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and deployed
> to F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can view the current
> stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3
> .
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

[Alex Perez]

There's a fixed Fedora 35 SoaS ISO at 
http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-F35-20220211.iso 
which I have confirmed is working as expected.


The above ISO is 1.2 gigabytes in size.

Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote on 2/9/2022 12:37 PM:

Hi Everyone,

A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and 
deployed to F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can 
view the current stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3 
.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Announcement: Sugar on a Stick (SoaS) 34 released today

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Fedora 34 was released today, which means that we've got a new release
> of Sugar on a Stick 34, which includes Sugar 0.118, and can be
> downloaded from:
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34-1.2.iso
>
> It's one gigabyte in size.
>
> ..and written to any USB stick using BalenaEtcher, Fedora Imager Writer,
> or whatever your favorite/preferred image writing tool is.
>
>
> an installation image (non-live environment) for 32-bit ARM devices,
> such as the Raspberry Pi 2-3, is also available at:
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34-1.2.armhfp.raw.xz
> The above image is 1.8 gigabytes.

You also forgot the new kid for F-34 the aarch64 image:
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/34/Spins/aarch64/images/Fedora-SoaS-34-1.2.aarch64.raw.xz


> Special thanks to Sugar Labs member and contributor Ibiam Chihurumnaya,
> AKA 'chimosky', for co-maintaining many/most of these Fedora activities,
> as well as the core Sugar Fedora packages, which, as a whole, make up
> Sugar on a Stick.
>
> Regards,
> Alex Perez
> Sugar Labs Contributor & Fedora Package Wrangler
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Call for testing of Fedora 34 beta Sugar On A Stick

[Peter Robinson]

> This is a call for testing of the upcoming Fedora 34 based Sugar on a Stick, 
> which is now ready for testing on the following platforms:
>
> For 64-bit PCs, the ISO can be downloaded from:
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso
>
> The installer based version of SoaS for 32-bit ARM can be downloaded from 
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.armhfp.raw.xz
>
> ...and finally, we have a new variant of SoaS for 64-bit ARM devices, which 
> is also installer-based, and available for download at 
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/34_Beta-1.3/Spins/aarch64/images/Fedora-SoaS-34_Beta-1.3.aarch64.raw.xz
>
> Please test on real hardware if possible. All you need to do is download and 
> write the image to a USB stick, with Fedora Media Writer, which can be 
> downloaded from https://github.com/FedoraQt/MediaWriter/releases/tag/4.2.0

So the arm images aren't actually installer images, they're pre
installed images so similar to live images, details for installing
them are at the following link and I believe the Media Writer can be
used for images destined to run on Raspberry Pis
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Installation
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora has been branched, SoaS LiveUSB environment is up for testing

[Alex Perez]

James,

James Cameron wrote on 2/10/21 1:45 PM:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 12:48:30PM -0800, Alex Perez wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> The Fedora 34 branch has happened, and there's a nightly build of SoaS,
>> based on Fedora 0.118, which I'd like to call on folks to test. There's
>> one known big bug, which will be fixed in the next couple of days, which
>> is that the Language control panel doesn't open/crashes, preventing you
>> from changing languages from the default English.
>>
>> All activities except FotoToon should start and work properly.
> So my release of v26 didn't help?
It just hasn't been updated on the Fedora package side, yet. That will
happen in a day or two.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar-starchart, flipsticks, labyrinth in Fedora Rawhide fails to install due to no python3 activity port

[James Cameron]

Thanks for testing.

For StarChart, the latest release is for Python 2.  Work on a port to
Python 3 was begun but not completed.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/starchart/pull/8

For Flip Sticks, the latest release is for Python 3, but Fedora
project is not yet packaging that release.  I suggest upgrading to
v14.

For Labyrinth, the latest release is for GTK 2 and Python 2.  The
upstream project says nobody is maintaining it, but there has been
recent work this year on a port to GTK 3.

https://github.com/labyrinth-team/labyrinth/tree/gtk3

As this situation goes beyond SoaS, I've CC'd sugar-devel@ in case any
developers there wish to get involved.  I suggest you might like to do
the same.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 12:51:48PM -0800, Alex Perez wrote:
> Ibiam,
> 
> As of tonight's latest nightly build, sugar-starchart will not install, due
> to the missing python2 toolkit dependency. Are you planning on fixing this
> prior to the release of Fedora 34, which would need to be in the next week
> or two?
> 
> 
> All of the above activities fail to install for the same reason: the missing
> python2 sugar toolkit dependency:
> 
> * sugar-flipsticks
> * sugar-labyrinth
> * sugar-starchart
> 
> DNF fails with:
> 
>  Problem: conflicting requests
>   - nothing provides sugar-toolkit needed by
> sugar-starchart-16-12.fc31.noarch
> (try to add '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages)
> 
> Additionally, sugar-distance and sugar-fototoon will install, but does not
> execute properly. Given that sugar-distance doesn't actually work properly
> with non-XO laptpos, I strongly recommend we retire the package, and remove
> it entirely from Rawhide, so it will be properly gone in F34. The same goes
> for the other activities above, if we don't expect to fix them in the next
> week or two.
> 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS 33/34 Changes.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for testing, can you share a log of the activity after it fails to
start?

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On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 3:17 AM Alex Perez  wrote:

> I tested today's nightly rawhide of SoaS, and can confirm it behaves as
> expected/desired, with session auto-login. All activities start _except_
> FotoToon.
>
> Downloaded from
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/Fedora-Rawhide-20210113.n.0/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-20210113.n.0.iso
>
> SoaS raw-xz for armhfp (Raspberry Pi, etc) image at
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/Fedora-Rawhide-20210113.n.0/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-Rawhide-20210113.n.0-sda.raw.xz
>
> On 1/13/2021 2:39:25 AM, Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
> Edit made, changes can be viewed in the SoaS download page
> .
>
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:07 PM Peter Robinson 
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 4:56 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> > SOAS was failing to build in F34 due to telepathy-salut being
>> deprecated and needed as a dependency in sugar, F33 beta had an issue where
>> startup goes straight to login.
>> >
>> > Both have been fixed after today's compose was released and can be
>> tested.
>> > Download here.
>> >
>> > I don't think it's wise to change the download link in our wiki to
>> reflect this - uploaded to sunjammer of course - as it's a compose image
>> but Peter can tell if it's wise to.
>>
>> The link is for rawhide which is the nightly development snapshots, it
>> might be worthwhile putting a link for those interested in testing
>> that to know the state of SoAS for the next release and be able to
>> test issues with it and provide fixes, there's also an arm  nightly
>> image too.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS 33/34 Changes.

[James Cameron]

Thanks for testing!

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 06:17:42PM -0800, Alex Perez wrote:
> I tested today's nightly rawhide of SoaS, and can confirm it behaves as
> expected/desired, with session auto-login. All activities start _except_
> FotoToon.
> 
> Downloaded from https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/
> Fedora-Rawhide-20210113.n.0/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
> Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-20210113.n.0.iso
> 
> SoaS raw-xz for armhfp (Raspberry Pi, etc) image at https://
> kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/Fedora-Rawhide-20210113.n.0/compose/
> Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-Rawhide-20210113.n.0-sda.raw.xz
> 
> On 1/13/2021 2:39:25 AM, Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
> 
> Edit made, changes can be viewed in the [1]SoaS download page.
> 
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>
>
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:07 PM Peter Robinson <[3]pbrobin...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 4:56 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
> <[4]ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > SOAS was failing to build in F34 due to telepathy-salut being
> deprecated and needed as a dependency in sugar, F33 beta had an issue
> where startup goes straight to login.
> >
> > Both have been fixed after today's compose was released and can be
> tested.
> > Download here.
> >
> > I don't think it's wise to change the download link in our wiki to
> reflect this - uploaded to sunjammer of course - as it's a compose
> image but Peter can tell if it's wise to.
> 
> The link is for rawhide which is the nightly development snapshots, it
> might be worthwhile putting a link for those interested in testing
> that to know the state of SoAS for the next release and be able to
> test issues with it and provide fixes, there's also an arm  nightly
> image too.
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> 
> [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Downloads
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS 33/34 Changes.

[Alex Perez]

I tested today's nightly rawhide of SoaS, and can confirm it behaves as 
expected/desired, with session auto-login. All activities start _except_ 
FotoToon.

Downloaded from 
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/Fedora-Rawhide-20210113.n.0/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-20210113.n.0.iso

SoaS raw-xz for armhfp (Raspberry Pi, etc) image at 
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/Fedora-Rawhide-20210113.n.0/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-Rawhide-20210113.n.0-sda.raw.xz

On 1/13/2021 2:39:25 AM, Chihurumnaya Ibiam  wrote:
Edit made, changes can be viewed in the SoaS download page 
[https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Downloads].

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:07 PM Peter Robinson mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com]> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 4:56 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
mailto:ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com]> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> SOAS was failing to build in F34 due to telepathy-salut being deprecated and 
> needed as a dependency in sugar, F33 beta had an issue where startup goes 
> straight to login.
>
> Both have been fixed after today's compose was released and can be tested.
> Download here.
>
> I don't think it's wise to change the download link in our wiki to reflect 
> this - uploaded to sunjammer of course - as it's a compose image but Peter 
> can tell if it's wise to.

The link is for rawhide which is the nightly development snapshots, it
might be worthwhile putting a link for those interested in testing
that to know the state of SoAS for the next release and be able to
test issues with it and provide fixes, there's also an arm  nightly
image too.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 33/34 Changes.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Edit made, changes can be viewed in the SoaS download page
.

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 7:07 PM Peter Robinson  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 4:56 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > SOAS was failing to build in F34 due to telepathy-salut being deprecated
> and needed as a dependency in sugar, F33 beta had an issue where startup
> goes straight to login.
> >
> > Both have been fixed after today's compose was released and can be
> tested.
> > Download here.
> >
> > I don't think it's wise to change the download link in our wiki to
> reflect this - uploaded to sunjammer of course - as it's a compose image
> but Peter can tell if it's wise to.
>
> The link is for rawhide which is the nightly development snapshots, it
> might be worthwhile putting a link for those interested in testing
> that to know the state of SoAS for the next release and be able to
> test issues with it and provide fixes, there's also an arm  nightly
> image too.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 33/34 Changes.

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 4:56 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
 wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> SOAS was failing to build in F34 due to telepathy-salut being deprecated and 
> needed as a dependency in sugar, F33 beta had an issue where startup goes 
> straight to login.
>
> Both have been fixed after today's compose was released and can be tested.
> Download here.
>
> I don't think it's wise to change the download link in our wiki to reflect 
> this - uploaded to sunjammer of course - as it's a compose image but Peter 
> can tell if it's wise to.

The link is for rawhide which is the nightly development snapshots, it
might be worthwhile putting a link for those interested in testing
that to know the state of SoAS for the next release and be able to
test issues with it and provide fixes, there's also an arm  nightly
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[Sugar-devel] SOAS 33/34 Changes.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Everyone,

SOAS was failing to build in F34 due to telepathy-salut being deprecated
and needed as a dependency in sugar, F33 beta had an issue where startup
goes straight to login.

Both have been fixed after today's compose was released and can be tested.
Download here

.

I don't think it's wise to change the download link in our wiki to reflect
this - uploaded to sunjammer of course - as it's a compose image but Peter
can tell if it's wise to.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS username & password

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I noticed the wiki recommending F33 some days ago and it shouldn't until
the issue gets fixed.

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 4:13 AM James Cameron  wrote:

> Given this problem, I don't know how it happened that Sugar Labs is
> recommending F33.  Should the Wiki page edits be reverted?  Or is it
> only specific architectures affected?
>
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_on_a_Stick/Downloads=5913=103778=103653
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_on_a_Stick/Download/hashes=17138=103776=103385
>
> On Wed, Nov 04, 2020 at 03:49:16AM +0100, Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote:
> > Yes it's a bug in F33 SOAS and it's been looked at, you can download F32
> SOAS
> > here [1]
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/32/Spins/x86_64/
> > iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 3:30 AM Walter Bender <[2]walter.ben...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > There is no default username/password, you should have been prompted
> > to create one on install.How did you build it/ install it?
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 11:40 AM Angelo Danio <[3]
> angelo.da...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear,
> > > Started SoaS I landed on those screen asking user name and
> password and
> > I’m not able to find on website.
> > > May you help me?
> > > Angelo
> >
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> > References:
> >
> > [1]
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/32/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
> > [2] mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com
> > [3] mailto:angelo.da...@gmail.com
> > [4] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > [5] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS username & password

[James Cameron]

Given this problem, I don't know how it happened that Sugar Labs is
recommending F33.  Should the Wiki page edits be reverted?  Or is it
only specific architectures affected?

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_on_a_Stick/Downloads=5913=103778=103653
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_on_a_Stick/Download/hashes=17138=103776=103385

On Wed, Nov 04, 2020 at 03:49:16AM +0100, Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote:
> Yes it's a bug in F33 SOAS and it's been looked at, you can download F32 SOAS
> here 
> [1]https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/32/Spins/x86_64/
> iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
> 
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 3:30 AM Walter Bender <[2]walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is no default username/password, you should have been prompted
> to create one on install.How did you build it/ install it?
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 11:40 AM Angelo Danio <[3]angelo.da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear,
> > Started SoaS I landed on those screen asking user name and password and
> I’m not able to find on website.
> > May you help me?
> > Angelo
> 
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> References:
> 
> [1] 
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/32/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
> [2] mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com
> [3] mailto:angelo.da...@gmail.com
> [4] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS username & password

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Yes it's a bug in F33 SOAS and it's been looked at, you can download F32
SOAS here
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/32/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 3:30 AM Walter Bender  wrote:

> There is no default username/password, you should have been prompted
> to create one on install.How did you build it/ install it?
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 11:40 AM Angelo Danio 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear,
> > Started SoaS I landed on those screen asking user name and password and
> I’m not able to find on website.
> > May you help me?
> > Angelo
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS username & password

[Walter Bender]

There is no default username/password, you should have been prompted
to create one on install.How did you build it/ install it?

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 11:40 AM Angelo Danio  wrote:
>
> Dear,
> Started SoaS I landed on those screen asking user name and password and I’m 
> not able to find on website.
> May you help me?
> Angelo



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 32 is silent?

[Alex Perez]

Correct, this is a function of multiple audio outputs, and how they are 
enumerated. I have verified that SoaS boots and runs, with sound and no 
changes required, on an old iMac5,2, form 2007. As an aside, this is one 
of those weird Apple-manufactured 32-bit EFI machines (but 64-bit CPUs).



James Cameron 
April 28, 2020 at 6:28 PM
Good, that makes it not-Sugar.  Get it fixed on Workstation is your
best bet.

I've seen this kind of thing happen with laptops that have HDMI output
capability.  Audio is being clocked out a disconnected port.

Sugar predates PulseAudio.  Sugar has no support for anything other
than ALSA.  An opportunity.  GStreamer as used by Speak will use
PulseAudio if available.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 08:31:57PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:

So I found that SoaS and Fedora Workstation, at least, have the audio output
sink default on card/port index 1 instead of the convention of index 0.
Where and how this goes this way, I don't know.  But it happens on more than
one system.

I've updated the bug report, [1]https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998.

A workaround is to use the PulseAudio command,
$ pacmd set-default-sink 0

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:36 AM Peter Robinson <[2]pbrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:

 > With Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso I'm hearing no sound.
 > And see no log messages.
 >
 > Is this a common problem?

 Ultimately in this cycle in particular an awful lot changed, we moved
 completely from python2 -> python3 among a lot of other changes.

 For me the Speak activity works for me on a VM and that's my usual
 go-to sound tester as I don't need to find any media to play.

 Things like sound are very complex, multiple output, defaults,
 different hardware. Some level of detail of the hardware and the setup
 is useful to even begin to know what the issue may be, is there any
 errors in dmesg etc.

 Peter

 > --
 > From: James Cameron <[3]qu...@laptop.org>
 > Date: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:04 PM
 > To: Frederick Grose <[4]fgr...@gmail.com>
 > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions <[5]s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 >, Sugar-dev Devel <[6]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>
 >
 >
 > I've no idea about your sound problem.  It doesn't happen for me on
 > Debian or Ubuntu.  I get sound from Speak and Music Keyboard.  I get
 > sound into Measure.
 >
 > For not seeing any log messages; Python 3 holds messages in process
 > memory and does not flush logs.  Another layer of buffering.
 >
 > Log files in .sugar/default/logs should be read after stopping the
 > program that writes to them.
 >
 > For activity logs, you have to stop the activity and confirm with
 > Frame F6 that it is stopped.
 >
 > For shell.log you have to log out and log in again.
 >
 > For datastore.log you have to log out for a couple of minutes and then
 > log in again.  Otherwise the same datastore process may be reused.
 >
 > James Cameron
 > [7]http://quozl.netrek.org/
 >
 >
 > --
 > From: Alex Perez <[8]ape...@alexperez.com>
 > Date: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:11 PM
 > To: Frederick Grose <[9]fgr...@gmail.com>
 > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions <[10]s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 >, Sugar-dev Devel <[11]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>
 >
 >
 > Frederick,
 >
 > Chances are, with the sound problem, that this is a system/Fedora
 specific problem, and has nothing to do with Sugar. You can test this
 hypothesis by downloading a different spin of RC1.6, for example the LXDE
 Live ISO, and test sound there. [12]https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/
 stage/32_RC-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-LXDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
 >
 > &
 >
 > Thanks for the hints.
 >
 > I tested a live USB installation of LXDE 32-1.6 and got sound for the
 music player sample.
 >
 > So probably not Fedora in general, nor Sugar, but something in the SoaS
 build.
 >
 > I've opened [13]https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998 and attached the
 zipped logs from some test sessions.
 >
 >
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References:

[1] https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998
[2] mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com
[3] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
[4] mailto:fgr...@gmail.com
[5] mailto:s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
[6] mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
[7] http://quozl.netrek.org/
[8] mailto:ape...@alexperez.com
[9] mailto:fgr...@gmail.com
[10] mailto:s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
[11] mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 32 is silent?

[James Cameron]

Good, that makes it not-Sugar.  Get it fixed on Workstation is your
best bet.

I've seen this kind of thing happen with laptops that have HDMI output
capability.  Audio is being clocked out a disconnected port.

Sugar predates PulseAudio.  Sugar has no support for anything other
than ALSA.  An opportunity.  GStreamer as used by Speak will use
PulseAudio if available.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 08:31:57PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
> So I found that SoaS and Fedora Workstation, at least, have the audio output
> sink default on card/port index 1 instead of the convention of index 0.
> Where and how this goes this way, I don't know.  But it happens on more than
> one system.
> 
> I've updated the bug report, [1]https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998.
> 
> A workaround is to use the PulseAudio command,
> $ pacmd set-default-sink 0
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:36 AM Peter Robinson <[2]pbrobin...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > With Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso I'm hearing no sound.
> > And see no log messages.
> >
> > Is this a common problem?
> 
> Ultimately in this cycle in particular an awful lot changed, we moved
> completely from python2 -> python3 among a lot of other changes.
> 
> For me the Speak activity works for me on a VM and that's my usual
> go-to sound tester as I don't need to find any media to play.
> 
> Things like sound are very complex, multiple output, defaults,
> different hardware. Some level of detail of the hardware and the setup
> is useful to even begin to know what the issue may be, is there any
> errors in dmesg etc.
> 
> Peter
> 
> > --
> > From: James Cameron <[3]qu...@laptop.org>
> > Date: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:04 PM
> > To: Frederick Grose <[4]fgr...@gmail.com>
> > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions <[5]s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >, Sugar-dev Devel <[6]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>
> >
> >
> > I've no idea about your sound problem.  It doesn't happen for me on
> > Debian or Ubuntu.  I get sound from Speak and Music Keyboard.  I get
> > sound into Measure.
> >
> > For not seeing any log messages; Python 3 holds messages in process
> > memory and does not flush logs.  Another layer of buffering.
> >
> > Log files in .sugar/default/logs should be read after stopping the
> > program that writes to them.
> >
> > For activity logs, you have to stop the activity and confirm with
> > Frame F6 that it is stopped.
> >
> > For shell.log you have to log out and log in again.
> >
> > For datastore.log you have to log out for a couple of minutes and then
> > log in again.  Otherwise the same datastore process may be reused.
> >
> > James Cameron
> > [7]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> >
> >
> > --
> > From: Alex Perez <[8]ape...@alexperez.com>
> > Date: Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:11 PM
> > To: Frederick Grose <[9]fgr...@gmail.com>
> > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions 
> <[10]s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >, Sugar-dev Devel <[11]sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org>
> >
> >
> > Frederick,
> >
> > Chances are, with the sound problem, that this is a system/Fedora
> specific problem, and has nothing to do with Sugar. You can test this
> hypothesis by downloading a different spin of RC1.6, for example the LXDE
> Live ISO, and test sound there. [12]https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/
> stage/32_RC-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-LXDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
> >
> > &
> >
> > Thanks for the hints.
> >
> > I tested a live USB installation of LXDE 32-1.6 and got sound for the
> music player sample.
> >
> > So probably not Fedora in general, nor Sugar, but something in the SoaS
> build.
> >
> > I've opened [13]https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998 and attached the
> zipped logs from some test sessions.
> >
> >
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> [17]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
> 
> References:
> 
> [1] https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998
> [2] mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com
> [3] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> [4] mailto:fgr...@gmail.com
> [5] mailto:s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [6] mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [7] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> [8] mailto:ape...@alexperez.com
> [9] mailto:fgr...@gmail.com
> [10] mailto:s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [11] mailto:sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [12] 
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/32_RC-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-LXDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso
> [13] https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998
> [14] mailto:s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [15] 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fwd: Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick is available now!

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:11 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
>
> Fedora 32 has been released, and the Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick spin is 
> available for download from https://bit.ly/F32-SoAS-x86_64-ISO. It is 950 
> megabytes in size.
>
> The 32-bit Fedora SoaS ARM image, suitable for use on Raspberry Pi 1/2/3, is 
> also available at https://bit.ly/F32-SoAS-armhfp-raw and is 730 megabytes in 
> size. Also worthy of note, the armhfp kernel supplied in this image has been 
> verified to boot from USB on an unlocked OLPC XO-1.75, although it's very, 
> very slow.

To clarify the RPi 1 is not supported (nor is the zero), just the 2/3/3+.

> This is a purely Python 3 based Sugar environment, and Python 2 activities 
> will not run here at all. This is the first version of Sugar on a Stick to 
> drop Python 2 completely, and a few of the bundled activities which have yet 
> to be ported to Python 3 were removed from this release, and will re-appear 
> at which point the porting and testing of them is complete.
>
> From: Matthew Miller 
> Date: April 28, 2020 at 6:55 AM
> To: annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> CC: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Fedora 32 is available now!
>
> It’s here! We’re proud to announce the release of Fedora 32.
> Thanks to the hard work of thousands of Fedora community
> members and contributors, we’re celebrating yet another
> on-time release!
>
> Read the official announcement at:
>
> * https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-32/
>
> or just go ahead and grab it from:
>
> * https://getfedora.org/
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 32 is silent?

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:20:57AM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:18 PM James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:25:28PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
> > I've opened [2]https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998 and attached the
> > zipped logs from some test sessions.
> 
> Thanks.  I've reviewed the logs.  They show successful playback by
> GStreamer into a sound sink of some sort, but no indication as to why
> you did not hear anything.
> 
> There's no feedback loop in the Sugar sound subsystem; there's no way
> to tell in software if a sound sink can be heard by a human.
> 
> Was your test in a virtual machine or physical hardware?
> 
> Testing is on physical hardware.  Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso was
> installed
> with livecd-iso-to-disk to a USB disk drive.

Okay, thanks.  I've never done that.

> I also tested a pristine image by booting the .iso file directly.  Logs are
> attached to the
> referenced bug report.
> 
> Was the Frame F6 used to check the speaker icon is present, not white,
> and set to an appropriate level?
> 
> Yes, yes, and yes.

Thanks.  I suggest diagnosing further using alsamixer, speaker-test
and GStreamer in Terminal, thus excluding Sugar entirely.  I've no
further suggestions.

> Thanks for your interest, efforts, & applied experience!
> 
>        --Fred

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS 32 is silent?

[James Cameron]

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 10:25:28PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
> I've opened https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4998 and attached the
> zipped logs from some test sessions.

Thanks.  I've reviewed the logs.  They show successful playback by
GStreamer into a sound sink of some sort, but no indication as to why
you did not hear anything.

There's no feedback loop in the Sugar sound subsystem; there's no way
to tell in software if a sound sink can be heard by a human.

Was your test in a virtual machine or physical hardware?

Was the Frame F6 used to check the speaker icon is present, not white,
and set to an appropriate level?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Final is GO, SoaS Release Candidate ISO available immediately

[Alex Perez]

Frederick,

Chances are, with the sound problem, that this is a system/Fedora 
specific problem, and has nothing to do with Sugar. You can test this 
hypothesis by downloading a different spin of RC1.6, for example the 
LXDE Live ISO, and test sound there. 
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/32_RC-1.6/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-LXDE-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso



Frederick Grose 
April 27, 2020 at 11:50 AM
With Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-1.6.iso I'm hearing no sound.
And see no log messages.

Is this a common problem?



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April 23, 2020 at 11:21 AM
The Fedora release team met today and approved the release of Fedora 
32, which is scheduled for this coming Tuesday, April 28th.


The 1.6 Release Candidate ISO for the Fedora 32 SoaS (Sugar on a 
Stick) LiveCD/ISO is downloadable from 
https://bit.ly/Fedora-32-RC-SoaS-LiveISO-x86_64

It is one gigabyte in size.

This is a purely Python 3 based Sugar environment, and Python 2 
activities will not run here at all. This is the first version of 
Sugar on a Stick to drop Python 2 completely, and a few of the bundled 
activities which have yet to be ported to Python 3 were removed from 
this release, and will re-appear at which point the porting and 
testing of them is complete.


Special thanks to Peter Robinson and Ibiam Chihurumnaya for making the 
Sugar-specific bits of this spin possible.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick beta ISO ready for testing

[Peter Robinson]

> Fedora 32 has entered beta state, and the Sugar on a Stick beta ISO (size is 
> 1 gigabyte) can be downloaded from http://bit.ly/SoaS-F32-Beta-ISO
>
> One known issue is that the IRC activity fails to start, and can not be used, 
> as it's not yet been ported to Python 3.

There's currently 4 Activities in the Beta that aren't moved to
Python3. They will be dropped from the live image if they're not fixed
by the Final freeze comes into place.

> The current target final release date for Fedora 32 is Tuesday, April 21st, 
> though this may change if need be.

The development freeze comes into force on Tue 2020-04-07 so
everything should be fixed by then, anything after that point needs
bug reports and to go through an exception process to get in.

> Please test on real hardware if possible, and send/provide reports to 
> s...@lists.sugarlabs.org as necessary.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[Peter Robinson]

> > > > > Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, [...]
> > > > Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose. [...]
> > >
> > > As far as I can see all those deps are there.
> > >
> > > I see the following crash:
> > >
> > > Traceback (most recent call last): [...]
> > >   File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line 113, 
> > > in _build_treeview
> > > sorted = self._treemodel.sort_new_with_model()
> > > AttributeError: 'TreeStore' object has no attribute 'sort_new_with_model'
> >
> > Thanks.  It was a GTK breaking change.
> >
> > Fixed in 42f3f31 ("Fix AttributeError on GTK 3.24.14")
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20/commits/42f3f31711b32f2ed82a1487e9584ea2536dd2af
> >
> > Not tested, please test.
>
> I did a scratch build and the Log activity ran and I could see logs so
> with basic testing it seems fine. Thanks for the fix. I've pushed a
> build fix which will be in tomorrow's images.
>
> Early this morning I also pushed a bunch of other Activity updates etc
> to assist Ibiam in getting things updated, I think all the simple ones
> should be done. I think I got Paint, FotoToon, Clock, Words, Finance,
> Finance, possibly some others but I didn't get too much testing done
> before I ran out of time, all of the change should be in tomorrow
> image so if people could test them further that would be fab.
>
> I think Fedora 32 freezes for Beta tomorrow so after tomorrow further
> fixes will need to go through exception process, I can assist Ibiam
> with that.

So we are now in freeze for Beta.

The latest image for those who can test is:
https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-32-20200225.n.0/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-20200225.n.0.iso
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[James Cameron]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 01:23:13PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, [...]
> > Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose. [...]
> 
> As far as I can see all those deps are there.
> 
> I see the following crash:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last): [...]
>   File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line 113, in 
> _build_treeview
> sorted = self._treemodel.sort_new_with_model()
> AttributeError: 'TreeStore' object has no attribute 'sort_new_with_model'

Thanks.  It was a GTK breaking change.

Fixed in 42f3f31 ("Fix AttributeError on GTK 3.24.14")

https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20
https://github.com/sugarlabs/log-activity/pull/20/commits/42f3f31711b32f2ed82a1487e9584ea2536dd2af

Not tested, please test.

My thanks to Manuel Kaufmann in 2012 for adding a README to the source
at the point of error.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[Peter Robinson]

> > Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, ideally should be
> > ported to python 3.
>
> No, v41 is Python 3 already, and should work.  Does work on Ubuntu
> 20.04 beta.  Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose.
>
> The dependencies are unusual for this activity; check you have covered
> them properly.  On Ubuntu 20.04 the dependencies include;
>
> python3, python3-sugar3, python3-gi, python3-urllib3,
> gir1.2-glib-2.0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0, gir1.2-pango-1.0,
> net-tools, procps

As far as I can see all those deps are there.

I see the following crash:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sugar-activity3", line 5, in 
activityinstance.main()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/sugar3/activity/activityinstance.py",
line 230, in main
instance = create_activity_instance(activity_constructor, activity_handle)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/sugar3/activity/activityinstance.py",
line 59, in create_activity_instance
activity = constructor(handle)
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line
458, in __init__
self.viewer = MultiLogView(paths, ext_files)
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line
75, in __init__
self._build_treeview()
  File "/usr/share/sugar/activities/Log.activity/logviewer.py", line
113, in _build_treeview
sorted = self._treemodel.sort_new_with_model()
AttributeError: 'TreeStore' object has no attribute 'sort_new_with_model'
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 1:35 AM James Cameron  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:57:56AM +0100, Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM James Cameron wrote:
> > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:40:04AM -0800, Alex Perez wrote:
> > > > Testing with the following nightly SoaS Live ISO,
> > > > Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-20200222.n.0.iso, the following
> > > > results were observed:
> > >
> > > Thanks for testing.
> > >
> > > > Words (23) - Incompatible with Sugar 0.116, needs to be ported
> > > > to Python 3. I propose removal of the package
> > >
> > > Is ported already.  Use v24.
> >
> > There's an open PR but it failed to build in koji, fixing that.
>
> Interesting.
>
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sugar-words/pull-request/1
>
> Yes, I see.  I suggest testing those spec file lines before commit.
> It is wasteful of time and resources to rely on koji to do your tests.
> I recommend testing with rpmbuild.
>

Yeah I do test locally, can't remember the conditions why the PR was opened.


> In particular,
>
> * po/cpp.po was removed,
>
> * rm could use -f to quietly fail if the file is already gone,
>
> > [...]
> > > > Clock (22) - Not sure which version is compatible with 0.116, if
> > > > any.
> > >
> > > Known problem fixed but not yet released.  Use v22 with 0fdfc22
> > > ("Fix fail to start, ModuleNotFoundError, ProgressToolButton")
> >
> > An update was made over 2 weeks ago, it should work fine. Can you
> > provide logs if otherwise.
>
> It's a pretty fundamental mistake by me in v22, so I can't see how it
> would work.  The needed commit is not in rpms/sugar-clock yet.
>

> I forked for OLPC OS.  I've pushed my local branch r22.1 which has a
> tag v22.1 which has the commit.
>
> https://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-22.1.tar.bz2
>
>
Thanks.

> [...]
> > > > Will not install, broken dependencies:
> > > > Physics (34) - has py2 dependencies that need to be changed/fixed
> > >
> > > v34 is Python 2.  Use v35 instead.
> > >
> > > For my work using Ubuntu 20.04 the Box2D project had to be
> > > packaged for Python 3.
> >
> > There's an open PR for an update.
>
> Where?  I've looked upstream and in Fedora sources, can't see one.
>

I'd meant Pippy activity
.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[James Cameron]

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:57:56AM +0100, Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM James Cameron wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:40:04AM -0800, Alex Perez wrote:
> > > Testing with the following nightly SoaS Live ISO,
> > > Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-20200222.n.0.iso, the following
> > > results were observed:
> >
> > Thanks for testing.
> >
> > > Words (23) - Incompatible with Sugar 0.116, needs to be ported
> > > to Python 3. I propose removal of the package
> >
> > Is ported already.  Use v24.
>
> There's an open PR but it failed to build in koji, fixing that.

Interesting.

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sugar-words/pull-request/1

Yes, I see.  I suggest testing those spec file lines before commit.
It is wasteful of time and resources to rely on koji to do your tests.
I recommend testing with rpmbuild.

In particular,

* po/cpp.po was removed,

* rm could use -f to quietly fail if the file is already gone,

> [...]
> > > Clock (22) - Not sure which version is compatible with 0.116, if
> > > any.
> >
> > Known problem fixed but not yet released.  Use v22 with 0fdfc22
> > ("Fix fail to start, ModuleNotFoundError, ProgressToolButton")
>
> An update was made over 2 weeks ago, it should work fine. Can you
> provide logs if otherwise.

It's a pretty fundamental mistake by me in v22, so I can't see how it
would work.  The needed commit is not in rpms/sugar-clock yet.

I forked for OLPC OS.  I've pushed my local branch r22.1 which has a
tag v22.1 which has the commit.

https://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-22.1.tar.bz2

> [...]
> > > Will not install, broken dependencies:
> > > Physics (34) - has py2 dependencies that need to be changed/fixed
> >
> > v34 is Python 2.  Use v35 instead.
> >
> > For my work using Ubuntu 20.04 the Box2D project had to be
> > packaged for Python 3.
>
> There's an open PR for an update.

Where?  I've looked upstream and in Fedora sources, can't see one.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM James Cameron  wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:40:04AM -0800, Alex Perez wrote:
> > Testing with the following nightly SoaS Live ISO,
> > Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-20200222.n.0.iso, the following results
> > were observed:
>
> Thanks for testing.
>
> My answers below are on the assumption that Python 2 is not being
> provided by Fedora, despite Red Hat continuing to support it on their
> other products.  Anyone planning to deploy Sugar in a school would add
> Python 2 with Sugar Toolkit and immediately gain access to more
> activities.
>
> > Default-installed activities which fail to start:
> > Visual Match (49) - no longer maintained, now called Dimensions. I
> > propose immediate removal of package.
>
> VisualMatch was renamed to Dimensions.  It is not yet ported.  A
> pull-request is being worked;
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/dimensions/pull/16
>
> Fedora could either track the renaming, or use the new source.
>
>
I'd planned on changing the name after the port to python3 is completed and
activity is released.

> Paint (69) - upon start, says it needs to be ported to Python 3,
> > then bails.  Should work?
>
> No, v69 is Python 2 only.  Use v70.
>

Yet to update that.


> > Words (23) - Incompatible with Sugar 0.116, needs to be ported to
> > Python 3. I propose removal of the package
>
> Is ported already.  Use v24.
>

There's an open PR but it failed to build in koji, fixing that.


> > IRC (12) - Incompatible with Sugar 0.116 - Package should be
> > removed, no port to Py3 available
>
> Yes, v12 is Python 2 only.
>

I don't think the package should be removed provided there's an update
upstream.


> > InfoSlicer (version 25) - Incompatible with Sugar 0.116 - Package
> > should be removed, no port to Py3 available
>
> Yes, v25 is Python 2 only.
>
> > Get Books (18.2) - Py3 version is 19, needs to be upgraded in
> > package if we want to keep it
>
> No, v19 is Python 2 only.  It is not yet ported.  A pull-request is
> being worked;
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/get-books-activity/pull/31
>
> > FotoToon (23.1) - This version should work, but doesn't seem
> > to. Requires investigation or removal
>
> No, v23.1 is Python 2 only.  Use v25.
>

Added to TODO list.


> > Finance (14), needs to be upgraded to 15 for Sugar 0.116+
>
> Yes, v14 is Python 2 only.  Use v15.
>
> > Clock (22) - Not sure which version is compatible with 0.116, if
> > any.
>
> Known problem fixed but not yet released.  Use v22 with 0fdfc22 ("Fix
> fail to start, ModuleNotFoundError, ProgressToolButton")
>

An update was made over 2 weeks ago, it should work fine. Can you provide
logs if otherwise.

>
> > Distance (version 36),  Should work, doesn't seem to start. Requires
> > investigation.
>
> No, shouldn't work, as v36 is Python 2 only.  It is one of the very
> difficult activities to port, since it requires two laptops.  It can't
> be done with virtual machines.
>
> > Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, ideally should be
> > ported to python 3.
>
> No, v41 is Python 3 already, and should work.  Does work on Ubuntu
> 20.04 beta.  Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose.
>

I agree with James.

>
> The dependencies are unusual for this activity; check you have covered
> them properly.  On Ubuntu 20.04 the dependencies include;
>
> python3, python3-sugar3, python3-gi, python3-urllib3,
> gir1.2-glib-2.0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0, gir1.2-pango-1.0,
> net-tools, procps
>

Thanks, I'll update the dependency list.


> > Activities which start and work:
> > Abacus (61), Browse (204), Terminal (47), Typing Turtle (32), Chat
> > (86), Maze (29), Moon (19), Memorize, Record (201), Read (123),
> > Image Viewer (65), Jukebox (36), Memorize (57), Portfolio (52), Read
> > (123), Speak (58), StopWatch, Story (20), TurtleBlocks (220), Typing
> > Turtle (32) Write (101), Calculate (46), Jukebox (36), Measure (103)
> >
> > Not installed by default, does not start once installed:
> > Hello World (version 6)
>
> v7 is Python 2.  Port was done.  Next version should be Python 3.
>
> > FractionBounce (version 25, needs to be updated to 28)
>
> Yes.
>
> > ColorDeducto (7) - incompatible with Sugar 0.112+, must be removed
>
> Or use the next version.  v7 is Python 2.  Port was done.  Next version
> should be Python 3.
>
> > Nutrition (py2 only)
>
> v15 is Python 2.  Port was done.  Next version should be Python 3.
>
> > Pukklanapac (py2 only)
>
> v13 is Python 2.  It is not yet ported.  A pull-request is
> being worked;
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/pukllanapac/pull/10
>
> > Ruler 33 (py2 only)
>
> v33 is Python 2.  It is not yet ported.
>
> > LocoSugar (v11, py2 only)
>
> v11 is Python 2.  It is not yet ported.
>
> > Recall (py2 only, telepathy issue)
>
> v6 is Python 2.  It is not yet ported.


Added activities to  todo list, I'd missed some of them.

>
> > Will not install, broken dependencies:
> > Physics (34) - has py2 dependencies that need to be changed/fixed
>
> v34 is Python 2.  

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 32 Sugar on a Stick (0.116) status/testing

[James Cameron]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:40:04AM -0800, Alex Perez wrote:
> Testing with the following nightly SoaS Live ISO,
> Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-32-20200222.n.0.iso, the following results
> were observed:

Thanks for testing.

My answers below are on the assumption that Python 2 is not being
provided by Fedora, despite Red Hat continuing to support it on their
other products.  Anyone planning to deploy Sugar in a school would add
Python 2 with Sugar Toolkit and immediately gain access to more
activities.

> Default-installed activities which fail to start:
> Visual Match (49) - no longer maintained, now called Dimensions. I
> propose immediate removal of package.

VisualMatch was renamed to Dimensions.  It is not yet ported.  A
pull-request is being worked;

https://github.com/sugarlabs/dimensions/pull/16

Fedora could either track the renaming, or use the new source.

> Paint (69) - upon start, says it needs to be ported to Python 3,
> then bails.  Should work?

No, v69 is Python 2 only.  Use v70.

> Words (23) - Incompatible with Sugar 0.116, needs to be ported to
> Python 3. I propose removal of the package

Is ported already.  Use v24.

> IRC (12) - Incompatible with Sugar 0.116 - Package should be
> removed, no port to Py3 available

Yes, v12 is Python 2 only.

> InfoSlicer (version 25) - Incompatible with Sugar 0.116 - Package
> should be removed, no port to Py3 available

Yes, v25 is Python 2 only.

> Get Books (18.2) - Py3 version is 19, needs to be upgraded in
> package if we want to keep it

No, v19 is Python 2 only.  It is not yet ported.  A pull-request is
being worked;

https://github.com/sugarlabs/get-books-activity/pull/31

> FotoToon (23.1) - This version should work, but doesn't seem
> to. Requires investigation or removal

No, v23.1 is Python 2 only.  Use v25.

> Finance (14), needs to be upgraded to 15 for Sugar 0.116+

Yes, v14 is Python 2 only.  Use v15.

> Clock (22) - Not sure which version is compatible with 0.116, if
> any.

Known problem fixed but not yet released.  Use v22 with 0fdfc22 ("Fix
fail to start, ModuleNotFoundError, ProgressToolButton")

> Distance (version 36),  Should work, doesn't seem to start. Requires
> investigation.

No, shouldn't work, as v36 is Python 2 only.  It is one of the very
difficult activities to port, since it requires two laptops.  It can't
be done with virtual machines.

> Log (41) - Fails on start-up with AttributeError, ideally should be
> ported to python 3.

No, v41 is Python 3 already, and should work.  Does work on Ubuntu
20.04 beta.  Sounds like you have a Fedora specific error to diagnose.

The dependencies are unusual for this activity; check you have covered
them properly.  On Ubuntu 20.04 the dependencies include;

python3, python3-sugar3, python3-gi, python3-urllib3,
gir1.2-glib-2.0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0, gir1.2-pango-1.0,
net-tools, procps

> Activities which start and work:
> Abacus (61), Browse (204), Terminal (47), Typing Turtle (32), Chat
> (86), Maze (29), Moon (19), Memorize, Record (201), Read (123),
> Image Viewer (65), Jukebox (36), Memorize (57), Portfolio (52), Read
> (123), Speak (58), StopWatch, Story (20), TurtleBlocks (220), Typing
> Turtle (32) Write (101), Calculate (46), Jukebox (36), Measure (103)
> 
> Not installed by default, does not start once installed:
> Hello World (version 6)

v7 is Python 2.  Port was done.  Next version should be Python 3.

> FractionBounce (version 25, needs to be updated to 28)

Yes.

> ColorDeducto (7) - incompatible with Sugar 0.112+, must be removed

Or use the next version.  v7 is Python 2.  Port was done.  Next version
should be Python 3.

> Nutrition (py2 only)

v15 is Python 2.  Port was done.  Next version should be Python 3.

> Pukklanapac (py2 only)

v13 is Python 2.  It is not yet ported.  A pull-request is
being worked;

https://github.com/sugarlabs/pukllanapac/pull/10

> Ruler 33 (py2 only)

v33 is Python 2.  It is not yet ported.

> LocoSugar (v11, py2 only)

v11 is Python 2.  It is not yet ported.

> Recall (py2 only, telepathy issue)

v6 is Python 2.  It is not yet ported.

> Will not install, broken dependencies:
> Physics (34) - has py2 dependencies that need to be changed/fixed

v34 is Python 2.  Use v35 instead.

For my work using Ubuntu 20.04 the Box2D project had to be packaged
for Python 3.

> Pippy 72.5 (sugar-pippy, py2)

v72.5 does not exist.  v72.x is Python 2.  Use v74 instead.

> Flip 9, py2

v9 is Python 2.  Port was done.  Next version should be Python 3.

> sugar-kuku-5

No change since my last advice on 31st August;

Not yet ported.  Not yet in a GitHub repository.  Needs a maintainer.
http://git.sugarlabs.org/kukuanakula
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4526

> sugar-castle-23

No change since my last advice on 31st August;

Not yet ported.  Not yet in a GitHub repository.  Needs a maintainer.
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4397

> sugar-countries-3

Don't know what this is, but you mentioned sugar-countries-33 below.

> 

Re: [Sugar-devel] soas build failure...f32 rawhide

[James Cameron]

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 06:21:53PM -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote:
> 
> On 11/19/19 1:58 PM, James Cameron wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 01:32:27PM -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote:
> > > > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/3215/39103215/livemedia-out.log
> > > nothing provides python3-telepathy needed by sugar-0.116-1.fc32.noarch so
> > > soas did not build..
> > Caused by switching Requires from python2-telepathy to
> > python3-telepathy in
> > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sugar/c/4acf9793cda5060145d9868afc010dcd70e3b9f1?branch=master
> > 
> > That's wrong.
> > 
> > Sugar 0.116 does not use Python Telepathy, it uses TelepathyGLib.
> > This was in my 0.115 release announcement.
> > 
> > I suggest tests be made before committing changes like this.
> 
> latest soas build error sugar 0.116
> 
> satellit
> 
> > 
> > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=39257239
> > 
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,787 INFO pylorax: The installation was stopped due to 
> > an error which occurred while running in non-interactive cmdline mode. 
> > Since there cannot be any questions in cmdline mode, edit your kickstart 
> > file and retry installation.
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,787 INFO pylorax: The exact error message is:
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,787 INFO pylorax:
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: Non interactive installation failed:
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: Problem 1: conflicting requests
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides python2-simplejson 
> > needed by sugar-toolkit-0.112-8.fc31.x86_64
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: Problem 2: conflicting requests
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: - package 
> > sugar-labyrinth-16-12.fc31.noarch requires sugar-toolkit, but none of the 
> > providers can be installed
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides python2-simplejson 
> > needed by sugar-toolkit-0.112-8.fc31.x86_64
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: Problem 3: conflicting requests
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: - package 
> > sugar-countries-33-17.fc31.noarch requires sugar-toolkit, but none of the 
> > providers can be installed
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,789 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides python2-simplejson 
> > needed by sugar-toolkit-0.112-8.fc31.x86_64.
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,789 INFO pylorax:
> > 2019-11-23 23:24:03,789 INFO pylorax: The installer will now
> > terminate.

Summary: two of the named activities cannot be installed.

1.  Labyrinth is not yet ported to Python 3,

2.  Countries is ported but not yet released.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] soas build failure...f32 rawhide

[Thomas Gilliard]

On 11/19/19 1:58 PM, James Cameron wrote:

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 01:32:27PM -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote:

https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/3215/39103215/livemedia-out.log

nothing provides python3-telepathy needed by sugar-0.116-1.fc32.noarch so
soas did not build..

Caused by switching Requires from python2-telepathy to
python3-telepathy in
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sugar/c/4acf9793cda5060145d9868afc010dcd70e3b9f1?branch=master

That's wrong.

Sugar 0.116 does not use Python Telepathy, it uses TelepathyGLib.
This was in my 0.115 release announcement.

I suggest tests be made before committing changes like this.


latest soas build error sugar 0.116

satellit



https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=39257239

2019-11-23 23:24:03,787 INFO pylorax: The installation was stopped due to an 
error which occurred while running in non-interactive cmdline mode. Since there 
cannot be any questions in cmdline mode, edit your kickstart file and retry 
installation.
2019-11-23 23:24:03,787 INFO pylorax: The exact error message is:
2019-11-23 23:24:03,787 INFO pylorax:
2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: Non interactive installation failed:
2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: Problem 1: conflicting requests
2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides python2-simplejson 
needed by sugar-toolkit-0.112-8.fc31.x86_64
2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: Problem 2: conflicting requests
2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: - package 
sugar-labyrinth-16-12.fc31.noarch requires sugar-toolkit, but none of the 
providers can be installed
2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides python2-simplejson 
needed by sugar-toolkit-0.112-8.fc31.x86_64
2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: Problem 3: conflicting requests
2019-11-23 23:24:03,788 INFO pylorax: - package 
sugar-countries-33-17.fc31.noarch requires sugar-toolkit, but none of the 
providers can be installed
2019-11-23 23:24:03,789 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides python2-simplejson 
needed by sugar-toolkit-0.112-8.fc31.x86_64.
2019-11-23 23:24:03,789 INFO pylorax:
2019-11-23 23:24:03,789 INFO pylorax: The installer will now terminate.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] soas build failure...f32 rawhide

[Thomas Gilliard]

On 11/19/19 1:58 PM, James Cameron wrote:

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 01:32:27PM -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote:

https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/3215/39103215/livemedia-out.log

nothing provides python3-telepathy needed by sugar-0.116-1.fc32.noarch so
soas did not build..

Caused by switching Requires from python2-telepathy to
python3-telepathy in
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sugar/c/4acf9793cda5060145d9868afc010dcd70e3b9f1?branch=master

That's wrong.

Sugar 0.116 does not use Python Telepathy, it uses TelepathyGLib.
This was in my 0.115 release announcement.

I suggest tests be made before committing changes like this.


forwarded

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Re: [Sugar-devel] soas build failure...f32 rawhide

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 01:32:27PM -0800, Thomas Gilliard wrote:
> > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/3215/39103215/livemedia-out.log
> 
> nothing provides python3-telepathy needed by sugar-0.116-1.fc32.noarch so
> soas did not build..

Caused by switching Requires from python2-telepathy to
python3-telepathy in
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sugar/c/4acf9793cda5060145d9868afc010dcd70e3b9f1?branch=master

That's wrong.

Sugar 0.116 does not use Python Telepathy, it uses TelepathyGLib.
This was in my 0.115 release announcement.

I suggest tests be made before committing changes like this.

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[Sugar-devel] soas build failure...f32 rawhide

[Thomas Gilliard]

https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/3215/39103215/livemedia-out.log


nothing provides python3-telepathy needed by sugar-0.116-1.fc32.noarch 
so soas did not build..


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[Sugar-devel] soas and fesco

[Thomas Gilliard]

17:18:14  satellit_
17:18:17  Yep.
17:18:21  Python 2 exception: sugar desktop environment  
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2267
17:18:21  i was thinking of adding something more direct, like 
"what's you opinion on modularity", but it would transform fesco voting 
into vote on topics

17:19:09  satellit_: it seems to me that the request is incomplete
17:19:16  satellit_: i think we are waiting for inputs from 
maintainers of involved packages

17:19:42  pbrobinson made itI am just a volunteer
17:20:15  satellit_: what do you like to know?
17:20:30  Right, and when the input from the dependent 
maintainers is made, I expect we will vote based on that, but I don't 
think anything can be done before then
17:20:55  can the Python packages not get retired till 
resolved (delay)

17:21:06  for a resoanble deadline, yes
17:21:09  forever? no
17:21:14  k
17:21:21  (my personal opinion)
17:21:42  but if the maintainers re not aware fo this, they 
might remove their python2 packages

17:21:52  the key is to talk to them

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:22 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
 wrote:
>
> I looked at the sugar repo in the fedora sources repository and noticed that 
> the sugar version is still v0.114,
> I'm not good with packaging but I can help apply patches up to the latest 
> version - v0.116 -, I'd like to know
> how applying patches works. Thanks.

How do you apply patches without packaging?

Please read the Fedora docs on packaging:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/

> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 9:10 AM Peter Robinson  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
>> people are testing it.
>>
>> Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
>> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
>> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/
>>
>> We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
>> them by Monday.
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I looked at the sugar repo in the fedora sources repository and noticed
that the sugar version is still v0.114,
I'm not good with packaging but I can help apply patches up to the latest
version - v0.116 -, I'd like to know
how applying patches works. Thanks.

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On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 9:10 AM Peter Robinson  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
> people are testing it.
>
> Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
>
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
>
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/
>
> We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
> them by Monday.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[James Cameron]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 09:53:31AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:00 AM James Cameron  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.  Tested on the OLPC Infinity and also QEMU.  No great
> > surprises.  Seems ready for release.  Summary of observations;
> >
> > - it's Sugar 0.114, obsolete now,
> 
> Yes, but pre beta when I had to deal with the release it was the
> latest and greatest ;-)
> 
> > - default microphone level is really low,
> 
> Is that on specific HW or in general?

QEMU KVM and the One Education Infinity laptop.

> > - the Moon activity is surprisingly and repeatedly sluggish to start,
> >   leaving two blank rectangles on screen, with no useful log output;
> >   it's a JavaScript activity, and that may be significant,
> 
> Changes it webkitgtk maybe?

Don't know.

> > - the Write activity has the severe AbiWord flicker problem reported
> >   in 2016, fixed upstream by AbiWord in June 2018; but I guess it
> >   hasn't made it into Fedora 31 yet,
> 
> I've not seen a new upstream release, do you have a link to the
> required patch(s) by chance?

It's a mess.  I fixed it for X11.  Martin Sevior fixed it again for
Wayland.  We use X11 in SoaS.  Here's some references;

1.  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1287835

2.  https://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13791

3.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/+bug/1574278

4.  
https://salsa.debian.org/debian/abiword/blob/master/debian/patches/fix-flickering.patch

> > - wireless scan results disappear from the network view totally, then
> >   if you disconnect from ad-hoc they come back again,
> 
> Weird, I'm guessing this is card specific but I'm just guessing.

Same card with other distributions is unaffected.  I'm inclined to
suspect systemd or Network Manager.

> > - collaboration does not work; as tested with Chat activity, which may
> >   relate to sugar-toolkit-gtk3:88ea8e1 and other collaboration fixes
> >   that have made it into Sugar 0.116.
> 
> telepathy also needs to be fixed, it was failure to build and had to
> be rescued, Alex took over those packages, with me sponsoring him and
> said he would fix them pre-beta and I've since had radio silence
> since. This has other implications because I will need assistance in
> the move to python3 from a packaging PoV as I really don't have the
> time any more to do this all on my own.

Yeah, me too.

> Peter
> 
> 
> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 09:10:08AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
> > > people are testing it.
> > >
> > > Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
> > > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
> > > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/
> > >
> > > We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
> > > them by Monday.
> > >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 6:00 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> Thanks.  Tested on the OLPC Infinity and also QEMU.  No great
> surprises.  Seems ready for release.  Summary of observations;
>
> - it's Sugar 0.114, obsolete now,

Yes, but pre beta when I had to deal with the release it was the
latest and greatest ;-)

> - default microphone level is really low,

Is that on specific HW or in general?

> - the Moon activity is surprisingly and repeatedly sluggish to start,
>   leaving two blank rectangles on screen, with no useful log output;
>   it's a JavaScript activity, and that may be significant,

Changes it webkitgtk maybe?

> - the Write activity has the severe AbiWord flicker problem reported
>   in 2016, fixed upstream by AbiWord in June 2018; but I guess it
>   hasn't made it into Fedora 31 yet,

I've not seen a new upstream release, do you have a link to the
required patch(s) by chance?

> - wireless scan results disappear from the network view totally, then
>   if you disconnect from ad-hoc they come back again,

Weird, I'm guessing this is card specific but I'm just guessing.

> - collaboration does not work; as tested with Chat activity, which may
>   relate to sugar-toolkit-gtk3:88ea8e1 and other collaboration fixes
>   that have made it into Sugar 0.116.

telepathy also needs to be fixed, it was failure to build and had to
be rescued, Alex took over those packages, with me sponsoring him and
said he would fix them pre-beta and I've since had radio silence
since. This has other implications because I will need assistance in
the move to python3 from a packaging PoV as I really don't have the
time any more to do this all on my own.

Peter


> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 09:10:08AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
> > people are testing it.
> >
> > Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
> > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
> > https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/
> >
> > We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
> > them by Monday.
> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[James Cameron]

Thanks.  Tested on the OLPC Infinity and also QEMU.  No great
surprises.  Seems ready for release.  Summary of observations;

- it's Sugar 0.114, obsolete now,

- default microphone level is really low,

- the Moon activity is surprisingly and repeatedly sluggish to start,
  leaving two blank rectangles on screen, with no useful log output;
  it's a JavaScript activity, and that may be significant,

- the Write activity has the severe AbiWord flicker problem reported
  in 2016, fixed upstream by AbiWord in June 2018; but I guess it
  hasn't made it into Fedora 31 yet,

- wireless scan results disappear from the network view totally, then
  if you disconnect from ad-hoc they come back again,

- collaboration does not work; as tested with Chat activity, which may
  relate to sugar-toolkit-gtk3:88ea8e1 and other collaboration fixes
  that have made it into Sugar 0.116.

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 09:10:08AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
> people are testing it.
> 
> Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/
> 
> We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
> them by Monday.
> 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora 31

[Samson Goddy]

Awesome, I am downloading it now.



On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 9:10 AM Peter Robinson  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Just a reminder we're in final freeze for Fedora 31, I'm assuming
> people are testing it.
>
> Just a reminder you can get the latest nightly composes here:
>
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/x86_64/iso/
>
> https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/latest-Fedora-31/compose/Spins/armhfp/images/
>
> We have slipped a week so if there's fixes needed we basically need
> them by Monday.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The plan moving forward for SoaS with Fedora 31 and Fedora 32

[James Cameron]

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 07:48:26AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 12:02 AM James Cameron  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 08:41:32AM -0700, Alex Perez wrote:
> > > Forwarding an abridged version of Peter's response to the SoaS ML for
> > > completeness, and so we can continue the conversation there.
> >
> > Thanks.  Interesting.
> >
> > >  Forwarded Message 
> > > Subject: Re: Packages in Fedora
> > >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:02:59 +0100
> > >From: Peter Robinson 
> > >  To: Alex Perez 
> > > Hi Alex,
> > >
> > > > Thanks for reaching out. I am working on Telepathy-salut and
> > > > telepathy-gabble buildability tomorrow evening.
> > >
> > > Reach out on IRC or email if you need help there.
> > >
> > > With this update I think we're over the line for Beta and hence out of
> > > the woods for the moment.
> > >
> > > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-dd8c4e8c66
> >
> > Paraphrasing, gnome-python2 did fail to build and has been fixed.
> > My comment; the dependency should disappear with 0.115.
> 
> Yes, and in fact I believe, although may well be wrong here, it's
> purely a dependency of the old gtk2 sugar-toolkit and associated
> Activities and will basically disappear when we decide to drop any
> that haven't moved to gtk3.
> 
> > > If you could test and provide karma on it that would be great, it's
> > > basically approved as a freeze exception so once that is ACKed we
> > > should have images. I also updated to the 0.114 release as part of
> > > that update.
> > >
> > > F-31 has branched off Rawhide now and I
> > > think we get that working as a compose, which should happen in the
> > > next day or so. It has 0.114 so we test and basically call that one
> > > done.
> > >
> > > Rawhide is open now for F-32 development for a May release next year
> > > and we aim that one for python3. We have working images as of today
> > > for that with basically the same contents as F-31.
> > >
> > > The following bug has all the other python2 bugs attached to it so I'm
> > > using it as a general tracker:
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1737929
> > >
> > > The way I see it what we need to do is as follows:
> > >
> > > 1) Move as many Activities over sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as possible, kill
> > > off the rest and retire sugar-toolkit (and I think we can retire
> > > sugar-base then too). See details below around some of this below.
> > > There was a thread a number of months ago where a bunch of these were
> > > discussed. There doesn't appear to have been much movement, some just
> > > need a release tagged.
> >
> > Yes, please.  We have a checklist for this;
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md#checklist---maintainer
> 
> Who from the Sugar community is going to take the lead on this?

...

> > > 2)  Build a version of sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that supports both python2
> > > and python3 Basically sugar-activity3. I believe this should actually
> > > be possible with 0.114 to some degree but a new release would likely
> > > be better. This allows Activities move over independently. Once the
> > > migration is complete we disable the python2 build.
> >
> > Using 0.114 is doable if you can keep the Python 2 Telepathy static
> > binding.  If you can't, then use TelepathyGLib, with 88ea8e1 ("Port to
> > TelepathyGLib").
> >
> > You'll also hit porting bugs found after 0.114, especially when you
> > begin to package activities; 381c9b1 ("Fix install TypeError").
> >
> > You may also need ed46c21 ("Port to six") and the two others following.
> >
> > I'm working toward 0.115 but there are critical bugs yet to fix, so
> > attention on these would be welcome.  Please get involved.
> 
> Can we have a 0.114.9x series of RCs done as we go towards that
> release tagged? That would make it easier to get it into Rawhide and
> people can then just grab nightly composes to test against which in
> turn will assist in finding critical issues.

There's no need for that.  You can grab from GitHub.

I've released 0.115 for three modules.  That should get you started.

> > https://github.com/orgs/sugarlabs/projects/1
> >
> > None of them are on the toolkit.
> >
> > > 3) Move the core sugar UX to python3. I believe we should be able
> > > sugar UX and datastore over independently as I believe the Activities
> > > communicate with the later via dbus.
> >
> > Yes, you can keep sugar on Python 2, if you can keep the Python 2
> > Telepathy static binding.  If you can't, you'll need sugar:f8f506b
> > ("Port to TelepathyGLib").
> 
> I've got python-telepathy on the list of py2 packages we currently
> depend on. Ultimately if we can move the core sugar UX, datastore and
> any Activities to py3 while keeping a sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that's py2
> compatible I would prefer moving as much as possible to py3.

0.115 does not depend on the Python 2 Telepathy static binding.

sugar-toolkit-gtk3 can be built for Python 3 and Python 2.

> 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The plan moving forward for SoaS with Fedora 31 and Fedora 32

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 12:02 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 08:41:32AM -0700, Alex Perez wrote:
> > Forwarding an abridged version of Peter's response to the SoaS ML for
> > completeness, and so we can continue the conversation there.
>
> Thanks.  Interesting.
>
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > Subject: Re: Packages in Fedora
> >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:02:59 +0100
> >From: Peter Robinson 
> >  To: Alex Perez 
> > Hi Alex,
> >
> > > Thanks for reaching out. I am working on Telepathy-salut and
> > > telepathy-gabble buildability tomorrow evening.
> >
> > Reach out on IRC or email if you need help there.
> >
> > With this update I think we're over the line for Beta and hence out of
> > the woods for the moment.
> >
> > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-dd8c4e8c66
>
> Paraphrasing, gnome-python2 did fail to build and has been fixed.
> My comment; the dependency should disappear with 0.115.

Yes, and in fact I believe, although may well be wrong here, it's
purely a dependency of the old gtk2 sugar-toolkit and associated
Activities and will basically disappear when we decide to drop any
that haven't moved to gtk3.

> > If you could test and provide karma on it that would be great, it's
> > basically approved as a freeze exception so once that is ACKed we
> > should have images. I also updated to the 0.114 release as part of
> > that update.
> >
> > F-31 has branched off Rawhide now and I
> > think we get that working as a compose, which should happen in the
> > next day or so. It has 0.114 so we test and basically call that one
> > done.
> >
> > Rawhide is open now for F-32 development for a May release next year
> > and we aim that one for python3. We have working images as of today
> > for that with basically the same contents as F-31.
> >
> > The following bug has all the other python2 bugs attached to it so I'm
> > using it as a general tracker:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1737929
> >
> > The way I see it what we need to do is as follows:
> >
> > 1) Move as many Activities over sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as possible, kill
> > off the rest and retire sugar-toolkit (and I think we can retire
> > sugar-base then too). See details below around some of this below.
> > There was a thread a number of months ago where a bunch of these were
> > discussed. There doesn't appear to have been much movement, some just
> > need a release tagged.
>
> Yes, please.  We have a checklist for this;
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md#checklist---maintainer

Who from the Sugar community is going to take the lead on this?

> > 2)  Build a version of sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that supports both python2
> > and python3 Basically sugar-activity3. I believe this should actually
> > be possible with 0.114 to some degree but a new release would likely
> > be better. This allows Activities move over independently. Once the
> > migration is complete we disable the python2 build.
>
> Using 0.114 is doable if you can keep the Python 2 Telepathy static
> binding.  If you can't, then use TelepathyGLib, with 88ea8e1 ("Port to
> TelepathyGLib").
>
> You'll also hit porting bugs found after 0.114, especially when you
> begin to package activities; 381c9b1 ("Fix install TypeError").
>
> You may also need ed46c21 ("Port to six") and the two others following.
>
> I'm working toward 0.115 but there are critical bugs yet to fix, so
> attention on these would be welcome.  Please get involved.

Can we have a 0.114.9x series of RCs done as we go towards that
release tagged? That would make it easier to get it into Rawhide and
people can then just grab nightly composes to test against which in
turn will assist in finding critical issues.

> https://github.com/orgs/sugarlabs/projects/1
>
> None of them are on the toolkit.
>
> > 3) Move the core sugar UX to python3. I believe we should be able
> > sugar UX and datastore over independently as I believe the Activities
> > communicate with the later via dbus.
>
> Yes, you can keep sugar on Python 2, if you can keep the Python 2
> Telepathy static binding.  If you can't, you'll need sugar:f8f506b
> ("Port to TelepathyGLib").

I've got python-telepathy on the list of py2 packages we currently
depend on. Ultimately if we can move the core sugar UX, datastore and
any Activities to py3 while keeping a sugar-toolkit-gtk3 that's py2
compatible I would prefer moving as much as possible to py3.

> Yes, you can keep datastore on Python 2, if you can keep Xapian, which
> you said in April was failing to build.  While the port to Python 3 is
> done, it introduced a new bug losing datatypes of metadata, breaking
> previews.

We actually got that fixed up with a terrible hack. Does datastore run
on it's own and can be moved to py3?

> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-datastore/issues/16
>
> > What have I missed, what are your thoughts?
> >
> > >  From what I can see at
> > > 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] F30 ARM (Raspberry Pi) SoaS not working, but a fix exists..

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:16 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> James Cameron wrote on 5/19/19 3:50 PM:
> > That's unfortunate.
> Agreed, but it was due to a lack of testing.
> >
> > Were the Fedora 30 ARM builds being tested before release?
> They were, but only in QEMU, it would seem. The temporary workaround is
> to fetch the initramfs referenced below, and then, after imaging the
> image to an SD card using $preferredImagingMethod (Fedora Image Writer,
> for most folks, would be their best bet), just copy the downloaded
> initrd over to the boot partition on the SD card.
> >
> > Are the Fedora 31 ARM builds being tested?
> I am informed by pwhalen that, as of today, the image is still broken in
> rawhide (which will become F31) but that it will be fixed in the coming
> days/weeks, now that there's a bug for the issue:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1711475

Should now now fixed in rawhide/F-31. Testing and confirmation welcome.

Peter

> >
> > On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 09:01:25AM -0700, Thomas Gilliard wrote:
> >> Current f30 soas release for a Rpi3B+ (arm) do not boot [1]
> >>
> >> There is a solution:
> >>
> >>   "if you replace the initramfs with this one - 
> >> [1]https://fedorapeople.org/
> >> ~pwhalen/soas/initramfs-5.0.9-301.fc30.armv7hl.img ...it will boot." 
> >> 
> >> on #fedora-arm
> >>
> >> Hopefully this can be fixed in a rebuild for f30 arm
> >>
> >> Tom Gilliard
> >>
> >> satellit on freenode #fedora-qa
> >>
> >> [1] [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_30#not_working
> >>
> >> References:
> >>
> >> [1] 
> >> https://fedorapeople.org/~pwhalen/soas/initramfs-5.0.9-301.fc30.armv7hl.img
> >> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_30#not_working
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 30 SoaS (Sugar on A Stick) final released

[Thomas Gilliard]

On 4/30/19 8:05 AM, Walter Bender wrote:



On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:58 AM Alex Perez > wrote:


The Fedora 30 release was earlier today, and with it comes the
Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick environment, which now has functional
collaboration, out of the box. It includes Sugar 0.113, which
incorporates the necessary fixes.


For those who would like to try or use Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick,
you can download these ISO images, and use DD, win32diskimager, or
your preferred raw image writing utility to stick the contents on
a USB drive. Alternatively, the two ISOs below can be booted as a
Virtual Machine, using VirtualBox, Parallels, Hyper-V, and other
virtualization software.

Here are your download links:


https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso
 <<--- this link did
not work


https://mirrors.rit.edu/fedora/fedora/linux//releases/30/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso 
<<--- this link works





https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/30/Spins/i386/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-i386-30-1.2.iso



https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-30-1.2-sda.raw.xz


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 30 SoaS (Sugar on A Stick) final released

[Peter Robinson]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 4:07 PM Walter Bender  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:58 AM Alex Perez  wrote:
>>
>> The Fedora 30 release was earlier today, and with it comes the Fedora 30 
>> Sugar on a Stick environment, which now has functional collaboration, out of 
>> the box. It includes Sugar 0.113, which incorporates the necessary fixes.
>>
>>
>> For those who would like to try or use Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick, you can 
>> download these ISO images, and use DD, win32diskimager, or your preferred 
>> raw image writing utility to stick the contents on a USB drive. 
>> Alternatively, the two ISOs below can be booted as a Virtual Machine, using 
>> VirtualBox, Parallels, Hyper-V, and other virtualization software.
>>
>> Here are your download links:
>>
>> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso
>>   <<--- this link did not work
>
>
> https://mirrors.rit.edu/fedora/fedora/linux//releases/30/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-30-1.2.iso
>   <<--- this link works

The first link sends a redirect to the closest mirror, while the
mirror manager is pretty good it might be catching up due to load of
release, and the first link is likely still good for a lot of people
depending on where you are.

>> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/30/Spins/i386/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-i386-30-1.2.iso
>>
>> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/30/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-30-1.2-sda.raw.xz
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 30 (Release Candidate 1) SoaS images ready for testing

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 6:28 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
>
> Just under the wire, we have managed to get some critical Sugar on a Stick 
> issues fixed, which are now included in Fedora 30 SoaS images. I would like 
> to extend a very special thanks to Peter Robinson, who took time out of his 
> busy schedule to assist in getting the Fedora packages updated with the 
> necessary fixes and patches. Thank you, Peter. This will be the first Fedora 
> SoaS in several releases to have functional collaboration within Sugar, and 
> it is thanks to your work, as well as community testers who take the time to 
> test these new packages, and report back with the results.
>
> For those who would like to test ot use Fedora 30 Sugar on a Stick, Release 
> Candidate 1, you can download these ISO images, and use DD, win32diskimager, 
> or your preferred raw image writing utility to stick the contents on a USB 
> drive. Alternatively, these ISOs can be booted as a Virtual Machine, using 
> VirtualBox, Parallels, Hyper-V, and other virtualization software.
>
> Here are your download links:
>
> For 32-bit machines: http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-32-bit (891 megabyte 
> ISO)
> For 64-bit machines: http://bit.ly/Fedora-30-RC1-SoaS-64-bit (942 megabytes)

Arm image for those that might be interested in using as Raspberry Pi
or similar device:
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/30_RC-1.1/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-30-1.1-sda.raw.xz

> Here is what's been fixed:
>
> * Sugar 0.113 is included by default
> * Collaboration works out of the box
> * Able to connect to jabber.sugarlabs.org when configured (this is related to 
> the fix for collaboration, thanks to James Cameron for this)
> * A patch/hotfix to 0.113, which resolves Sugar 0.113 starting up. Special 
> thanks to Rahul "Pro-Panda" Bothra for this contribution.
>
>
>
> The final release of Fedora 30 is expected to be made between April 30th and 
> May 7th, depending on a number of factors. The F30 release schedule is 
> documented at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/30/Schedule
>
> Regards,
> Alex Perez
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Errors from Soas 29

[James Cameron]

I've not recently tested the Sugar collaboration stack with Fedora, my
testing has been on Ubuntu.

But you're right on with the process to use; once they are able to
communicate over a common TCP/ip network that relays mDNS UDP
broadcast packets, an icon for each instance should appear in
Neighbourhood View.  Without that icon, the collaboration features
won't work.

When that icon does not appear, my checklist is;

- look for interesting log messages, especially in shell.log,

- make sure there are no alternate network paths, such as ethernet
  adapters,

- ping between two instance IP addresses to verify the network is
  working,

- tcpdump to look for mDNS and clique packets on two instances, making
  sure what is sent by one instance is also received by the other,

- use the Chat, Maze, or CollabWrapper test activities, as these have
  the most robust code for Telepathy use.

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 09:51:28AM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> Ibiam and I are currently working to install Sugar in the classroom, so we
> decided to download Soas 32-bit versions. After installing, we ran into some
> problems immediately after the desktop booted which can be found here[1]. I
> also noticed whenever I click on the speaker icon, the bottom of the frame
> becomes darker. I tested collaboration using Jabber service, Ibiam couldn't
> find the desktop on the neighborhood but the desktop can alongside.   
> 
>   Quick question? what are the best ways to make sugar to talk to each other?
> Those desktop are using mini USB wifi adaptors(working on windows) but not
> Soas. I will be testing on more systems by Wednesday.   
> 
> Logs[2]
> 
> [1][1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick#Known_bugs
> [2][2]https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/4QIR-XATy2wmnZb2VbNn3A
> 
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> 
> References:
> 
> [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick#Known_bugs
> [2] https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/4QIR-XATy2wmnZb2VbNn3A
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Errors from Soas 29

[Iain Brown Douglas]

On Thu, 2019-01-17 at 10:28 +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
> Yes, we did. Upgraded metacity and Sugar, also made changes to the
> ~/profile.py
> 
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019, 10:26 AM Peter Robinson  wrote:
> > Have you applied all the latest updates to Fedora, a number of
> > issues have been fixed with Fedora 29 updates.
> > 
> > Peter
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:52 AM Samson Goddy  > > wrote:

> > > Ibiam and I are currently working to install Sugar in the
> > > classroom, 

> > >   Quick question? what are the best ways to make sugar to talk to
> > > each other?

Persevere with WiFi.
Don't mix copper/Ethernet with WiFi.
Any machine connected with copper, disconnect copper, (for good measure
remove ~/.sugar), reboot with WiFi/USB WiFi stick plugged in.
Stick not recognised, follow: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/s
table/net-wireless-troubleshooting.html.en
Follow Help Activity to get each machine online.

Iain

> > > Those desktop are using mini USB wifi adaptors(working on
> > > windows) but not Soas. I will be testing on more systems by
> > > Wednesday.   
> > > 
> > > Logs[2]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick#Known_bugs
> > > [2]https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/4QIR-XATy2wmnZb2VbNn3A
> > > 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Errors from Soas 29

[Samson Goddy]

Yes, we did. Upgraded metacity and Sugar, also made changes to the
~/profile.py

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019, 10:26 AM Peter Robinson  Have you applied all the latest updates to Fedora, a number of issues have
> been fixed with Fedora 29 updates.
>
> Peter
>
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:52 AM Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Ibiam and I are currently working to install Sugar in the classroom, so
>> we decided to download Soas 32-bit versions. After installing, we ran into
>> some problems immediately after the desktop booted which can be found
>> here[1]. I also noticed whenever I click on the speaker icon, the bottom of
>> the frame becomes darker. I tested collaboration using Jabber service,
>> Ibiam couldn't find the desktop on the neighborhood but the desktop can
>> alongside.
>>
>>   Quick question? what are the best ways to make sugar to talk to each
>> other? Those desktop are using mini USB wifi adaptors(working on windows)
>> but not Soas. I will be testing on more systems by Wednesday.
>>
>> Logs[2]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick#Known_bugs
>> [2]https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/4QIR-XATy2wmnZb2VbNn3A
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Errors from Soas 29

[Peter Robinson]

Have you applied all the latest updates to Fedora, a number of issues have
been fixed with Fedora 29 updates.

Peter

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:52 AM Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Ibiam and I are currently working to install Sugar in the classroom, so we
> decided to download Soas 32-bit versions. After installing, we ran into
> some problems immediately after the desktop booted which can be found
> here[1]. I also noticed whenever I click on the speaker icon, the bottom of
> the frame becomes darker. I tested collaboration using Jabber service,
> Ibiam couldn't find the desktop on the neighborhood but the desktop can
> alongside.
>
>   Quick question? what are the best ways to make sugar to talk to each
> other? Those desktop are using mini USB wifi adaptors(working on windows)
> but not Soas. I will be testing on more systems by Wednesday.
>
> Logs[2]
>
>
>
>
>
> [1]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick#Known_bugs
> [2]https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/4QIR-XATy2wmnZb2VbNn3A
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peace Ojemeh]

I will be willing to test too.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 8:26 AM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

> I am willing to test.
>
> I have Some running on my computer.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 4:36 AM James Cameron 
>> On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 01:12:05AM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> > Hey James,
>> >
>> > Happy New Year!
>> >
>> > > > > > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is
>> well and
>> > > > > > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key
>> Activities
>> > > > > > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big
>> ones here.
>> > > > > > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the
>> tarball
>> > > > > > > directories.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's
>> all right.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still
>> haven't
>> > > > > > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please
>> make sure
>> > > > > > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time
>> critical.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I
>> plan on
>> > > > > > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good
>> riddance
>> > > > > > >> sugar-presence-service!
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
>> > > > > > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL
>> real soon
>> > > > > > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was
>> some work
>> > > > > > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3
>> but I don't
>> > > > > > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3
>> and has
>> > > > > > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's
>> been
>> > > > > > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the
>> nail in the
>> > > > > > >> coffin for Sugar?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working
>> code in pull
>> > > > > > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the
>> critical
>> > > > > > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab
>> for the
>> > > > > > > organisation.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th
>> September, and
>> > > > > a v0.114 around 6th October.
>> > > >
>> > > > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
>> > > > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
>> > > > later.
>> > >
>> > > Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
>> > > introspection for Telepathy.
>> > >
>> > > There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
>> > > Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
>> > > our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
>> > > to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
>> > >
>> > > With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
>> > > months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
>> > > discussion at the weekly meeting.
>> >
>> > Just thought I'd do a check in to see how you're getting on with the
>> > python3 port, just trying to do a bit of planning for the next few
>> > months.
>>
>> No progress.  Also no testers yet apart from Rahul.  I'd give it
>> another six months.
>>
>> > I updated all the various Activities to the latest versions the other
>> > day, except I couldn't find the latest version of TurtleBlocks, on the
>> > download site the latest is 216 and I couldn't find it in git.
>>
>> Thanks for noticing.  Yes, same here.
>>
>> Guess Walter too busy; so I used the checklist;
>>
>> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md#checklist---maintainer
>>
>> Downloaded and confirmed the bundle matches
>> fbc61222ba95aa1118976434d6951647fea8e13c.
>>
>> Added tag to GitHub repository.
>>
>> Uploaded source to;
>>
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/TurtleArt/TurtleBlocks-218.tar.bz2
>>
>> That should get you going.  Test it though, 'cause I've made three
>> traceback fixes after v218 that aren't in it.
>>
>> > Peter
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[James Cameron]

Thanks Samson.

We don't have any RPMs of the Python 3 branches or pull requests.

You would need to run Fedora, remove Sugar packages from the system,
and then install Sugar from each component source using the autogen,
configure, make, make install sequence.

Best to do this in a virtual machine, with snapshots, because it can
easily make a system not restartable and getting out of that condition
can be way more complicated than getting into it.

On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:26:25AM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
> I am willing to test. 
> 
> I have Some running on my computer.
> 
> Regards
> 
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 4:36 AM James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 01:12:05AM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Hey James,
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > > > > > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well
> and
> > > > > > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key
> Activities
> > > > > > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big 
> ones
> here.
> > > > > > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the
> tarball
> > > > > > > directories.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [2]http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/
> Clock-20.tar.bz2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's
> all right.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > [3]http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/
> Record-200.tar.bz2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still
> haven't
> > > > > > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please 
> make
> sure
> > > > > > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time
> critical.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I
> plan on
> > > > > > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good
> riddance
> > > > > > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > > > > > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL 
> real
> soon
> > > > > > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was
> some work
> > > > > > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but
> I don't
> > > > > > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 
> and
> has
> > > > > > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's 
> been
> > > > > > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the 
> nail
> in the
> > > > > > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code
> in pull
> > > > > > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the
> critical
> > > > > > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab
> for the
> > > > > > > organisation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September,
> and
> > > > > a v0.114 around 6th October.
> > > >
> > > > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > > > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > > > later.
> > >
> > > Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> > > introspection for Telepathy.
> > >
> > > There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> > > Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> > > our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> > > to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
> > >
> > > With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> > > months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> > > discussion at the weekly meeting.
> >
> > Just thought I'd do a check in to see how you're getting on with the
> > python3 port, just trying to do a bit of planning for the next few
> > months.
> 
> No progress.  Also no testers yet apart from Rahul.  I'd give it
> another six months.
> 
> > I updated all the various Activities to the latest versions the other
> > day, except I couldn't find the latest version of TurtleBlocks, on the
> > 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Samson Goddy]

I am willing to test.

I have Some running on my computer.


Regards

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 4:36 AM James Cameron  On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 01:12:05AM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Hey James,
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> >
> > > > > > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well
> and
> > > > > > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key
> Activities
> > > > > > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big
> ones here.
> > > > > > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the
> tarball
> > > > > > > directories.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's
> all right.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still
> haven't
> > > > > > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please
> make sure
> > > > > > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time
> critical.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I
> plan on
> > > > > > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good
> riddance
> > > > > > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > > > > > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL
> real soon
> > > > > > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was
> some work
> > > > > > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but
> I don't
> > > > > > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3
> and has
> > > > > > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > > > > > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the
> nail in the
> > > > > > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code
> in pull
> > > > > > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the
> critical
> > > > > > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab
> for the
> > > > > > > organisation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September,
> and
> > > > > a v0.114 around 6th October.
> > > >
> > > > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > > > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > > > later.
> > >
> > > Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> > > introspection for Telepathy.
> > >
> > > There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> > > Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> > > our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> > > to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
> > >
> > > With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> > > months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> > > discussion at the weekly meeting.
> >
> > Just thought I'd do a check in to see how you're getting on with the
> > python3 port, just trying to do a bit of planning for the next few
> > months.
>
> No progress.  Also no testers yet apart from Rahul.  I'd give it
> another six months.
>
> > I updated all the various Activities to the latest versions the other
> > day, except I couldn't find the latest version of TurtleBlocks, on the
> > download site the latest is 216 and I couldn't find it in git.
>
> Thanks for noticing.  Yes, same here.
>
> Guess Walter too busy; so I used the checklist;
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md#checklist---maintainer
>
> Downloaded and confirmed the bundle matches
> fbc61222ba95aa1118976434d6951647fea8e13c.
>
> Added tag to GitHub repository.
>
> Uploaded source to;
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/TurtleArt/TurtleBlocks-218.tar.bz2
>
> That should get you going.  Test it though, 'cause I've made three
> traceback fixes after v218 that aren't in it.
>
> > Peter
>
> --
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> http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[James Cameron]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 01:12:05AM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Hey James,
> 
> Happy New Year!
> 
> > > > > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > > > > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > > > > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones 
> > > > > >> here.
> > > > > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > > > > > directories.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> > > > >
> > > > > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all 
> > > > > right.
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> > > > >
> > > > > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > > > > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > > > > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan 
> > > > > >> on
> > > > > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good 
> > > > > >> riddance
> > > > > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> > > > >
> > > > > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > > > > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > > > > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some 
> > > > > >> work
> > > > > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I 
> > > > > >> don't
> > > > > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > > > > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > > > > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in 
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in 
> > > > > > pull
> > > > > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the 
> > > > > > critical
> > > > > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > > > > > organisation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
> > > >
> > > > Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
> > > > a v0.114 around 6th October.
> > >
> > > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > > later.
> >
> > Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> > introspection for Telepathy.
> >
> > There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> > Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> > our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> > to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
> >
> > With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> > months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> > discussion at the weekly meeting.
> 
> Just thought I'd do a check in to see how you're getting on with the
> python3 port, just trying to do a bit of planning for the next few
> months.

No progress.  Also no testers yet apart from Rahul.  I'd give it
another six months.

> I updated all the various Activities to the latest versions the other
> day, except I couldn't find the latest version of TurtleBlocks, on the
> download site the latest is 216 and I couldn't find it in git.

Thanks for noticing.  Yes, same here.

Guess Walter too busy; so I used the checklist;
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md#checklist---maintainer

Downloaded and confirmed the bundle matches 
fbc61222ba95aa1118976434d6951647fea8e13c.

Added tag to GitHub repository.

Uploaded source to;
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/TurtleArt/TurtleBlocks-218.tar.bz2

That should get you going.  Test it though, 'cause I've made three
traceback fixes after v218 that aren't in it.

> Peter

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

Hey James,

Happy New Year!

> > > > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > > > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > > > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > > > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > > > >
> > > > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > > > > directories.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> > > >
> > > > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all 
> > > > right.
> > > >
> > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> > > >
> > > > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> > > >
> > > > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > > > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > > > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> > > > >
> > > > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > > > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> > > > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > > > >
> > > > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> > > >
> > > > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > > > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> > > >
> > > > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > > > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some 
> > > > >> work
> > > > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> > > > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > > > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > > > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> > > > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > > > >
> > > > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> > > > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> > > > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > > > > organisation.
> > > >
> > > > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
> > >
> > > Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
> > > a v0.114 around 6th October.
> >
> > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > later.
>
> Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> introspection for Telepathy.
>
> There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
>
> With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> discussion at the weekly meeting.

Just thought I'd do a check in to see how you're getting on with the
python3 port, just trying to do a bit of planning for the next few
months.

I updated all the various Activities to the latest versions the other
day, except I couldn't find the latest version of TurtleBlocks, on the
download site the latest is 216 and I couldn't find it in git.

Peter
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[Sugar-devel] Soas Fedora_29 VirtualBox appliance

[Thomas Gilliard]

Download and import this appliance in VirtualBox (OS agnostic)

   final release with Sugar 0.112

 * root

   password=sugarroot

 * user=sugar

   password=sugaruser

   not started - Users Sugar Id is not yet set

   16-GB dynamic VirtualBox hard disc 
   2048 memory
   English and English keyboard 
   USA-Los Angeles (Pacific timezone)


https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_29#Fedora_29_for_Virtualbox
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Help soas is not building in fedora30 rawhide

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:41 PM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 05:23:44PM -0500, Frederick Grose wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 5:03 PM Thomas Gilliard  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Helpsoas is not building in fedora30 rawhide
> >
> > The livemedia.log shows this error report:
>
> Thanks for finding that, I had no idea where it would be.
>
> > ...
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,578 INFO pylorax: Non interactive installation failed:
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: Problem: conflicting requests
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > ld-linux-armhf.so.3 needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > ld-linux-armhf.so.3(GLIBC_2.4) needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.5) needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> > 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> > libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_ARM_1.3.3) needed by
> > sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64.
>
> An architecture mixup.
>
> Cause is the Fedora package for x86_64 contains ARM architecture files
> in library/box2d_arm/, which in turn are in the tar.gz, also in the
> .xo file, and also in git.
>
> Fixes might be one of;
>
> 1.  adjust the package to remove the binaries, and add box2d
> dependencies, or;
>
> 2.  maintain a fork of the sources without dependencies embedded, as
> we've done for the Physics activity (see the dfsg branch there).

I'd fixed this in releases < 30 but the f30 had failed due to python
scripts requiring explicitly python2/python3 in their calls, this has
now been fixed so it should be fixed in the next compose.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Help soas is not building in fedora30 rawhide

[James Cameron]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 05:23:44PM -0500, Frederick Grose wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 5:03 PM Thomas Gilliard  wrote:
> >
> > Helpsoas is not building in fedora30 rawhide
> 
> The livemedia.log shows this error report:

Thanks for finding that, I had no idea where it would be.

> ...
> 2018-11-16 17:02:07,578 INFO pylorax: Non interactive installation failed:
> 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: Problem: conflicting requests
> 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> ld-linux-armhf.so.3 needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> ld-linux-armhf.so.3(GLIBC_2.4) needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.5) needed by sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64
> 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: - nothing provides
> libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_ARM_1.3.3) needed by
> sugar-pippy-72-1.fc30.x86_64.

An architecture mixup.

Cause is the Fedora package for x86_64 contains ARM architecture files
in library/box2d_arm/, which in turn are in the tar.gz, also in the
.xo file, and also in git.

Fixes might be one of;

1.  adjust the package to remove the binaries, and add box2d
dependencies, or;

2.  maintain a fork of the sources without dependencies embedded, as
we've done for the Physics activity (see the dfsg branch there).

> 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax:
> 2018-11-16 17:02:07,579 INFO pylorax: The installer will now terminate.
> ...

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Bug: Network control panel fails to open

[Peter Robinson]

> > > There is a glitch observed in SoaS 29.
> > > https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4990
> >
> > Seems it might use NetworkManager-glib and that appears to have been
> > retired and we didn't have an explicitly dependency on it. I'm not
> > 100% sure that is the case but we might need to change how we use
> > NetworkManager or adjust for a new API?
>
> Was fixed in April, and should be in 0.113 and later.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/commit/04c63f6dd2b6f10a80376a43c735822f5283bda7#diff-c4737854e76eeaf45b972eaf050e4b7b
>
> Was detected by the automatically discovered and explicit dependency in 
> Debian.
>
> https://bugs.debian.org/857230

Thanks James,

There's a fix here https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-0.112-5.fc29

I've filed a freeze exception for F29 so I hope we make it.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Update Pootle

[James Cameron]

G'day,

Thanks for your suggestion.  You are right; updating Pootle may make
this better.  I'm not certain it will, but it may.

Pootle is used by more than soas, so the soas mailing list is not the
best place to discuss.  Please subscribe to and use
sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org instead.

Also subscribe to and CC syst...@lists.sugarlabs.org to contact the
infrastructure support team.

I've checked the virtual machine is running fine, and have installed
pending security updates.  I don't know how to update Pootle, but have
these references;

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate/Pootle2.5
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Machine/pootle

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 07:05:54PM +0200, scootergrisen wrote:
> I suggest updating Pootle to latest version as it might fix some things i
> would like fixed.
> 
> Like i can't upload a translation file that i changed offline and make
> Pootle accept it as it is. Maybe updating Pootle will make this better.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Bug: Network control panel fails to open

[James Cameron]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 03:35:06PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:11 PM Frederick Grose  wrote:
> >
> > There is a glitch observed in SoaS 29.
> > https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4990
> 
> Seems it might use NetworkManager-glib and that appears to have been
> retired and we didn't have an explicitly dependency on it. I'm not
> 100% sure that is the case but we might need to change how we use
> NetworkManager or adjust for a new API?

Was fixed in April, and should be in 0.113 and later.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/commit/04c63f6dd2b6f10a80376a43c735822f5283bda7#diff-c4737854e76eeaf45b972eaf050e4b7b

Was detected by the automatically discovered and explicit dependency in Debian.

https://bugs.debian.org/857230

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Bug: Network control panel fails to open

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 3:11 PM Frederick Grose  wrote:
>
> There is a glitch observed in SoaS 29.
> https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4990

Seems it might use NetworkManager-glib and that appears to have been
retired and we didn't have an explicitly dependency on it. I'm not
100% sure that is the case but we might need to change how we use
NetworkManager or adjust for a new API?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Walter Bender]

What tasks (if any) can we assign to Google Code-in from this list?

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 6:50 PM Peter Robinson  wrote:

> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:17:50AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > > > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > > > > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > > > > later.
> > > >
> > > > Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> > > > introspection for Telepathy.
> > > >
> > > > There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> > > > Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> > > > our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right
> way
> > > > to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
> > > >
> > > > With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> > > > months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> > > > discussion at the weekly meeting.
> > >
> > > OK, well keep me in the loop, people have already started the hack and
> > > slash of what they feel as redundant pyhthon2 only dependencies in
> > > Fedora 30. This has affected sugar-toolkit through the use of
> > > gnome-python2-rsvg which affects the Activities below, we might be
> > > able to get a minor window of relief on that but I'm not convinced.
> >
> > Yes, we saw that in the past year in Debian; the very few lines of
> > source that make up the Rsvg static binding were embedded in something
> > else rather than as a separate package or as part of Rsvg.
>
> We had a stay of execution, it was actually a mistake, it was some
> other package that was meant to get retired. Should be fixed soon.
>
> > So OLPC lost the benefit of upstreaming sugar-toolkit (Sugar Toolkit
> > for GTK+ 2), and now I maintain a custom or derivative package.
> >
> > I did offer to maintain the Rsvg static binding, but was told this was
> > not welcome.
> >
> > In retrospect, it was suboptimal organisation of source code in
> > earlier GNOME.
> >
> > > I noticed the new Moon 19 activity has moved to Javascript but I have
> > > no idea how that works from a packaging dependency or Sugar bindings
> > > PoV (does it use gjs?) and don't have the time to dig into it
> > > unfortunately. Kalpa can you assist here?
> >
> > No, not gjs.  Package should continue to depend on sugar-toolkit-gtk3,
> > as it calls /usr/bin/sugar-activity-web, which uses WebKit2.
>
> Ah, yes, I remember this web activity concept now. Cool, will update it.
>
> > I thought there was a Javascript activity already in Fedora somewhere,
> > but I don't have a Fedora system handy to find out; grep for a file
> > path pattern of "lib/sugar-web"
> >
> > > I was already considering dropping anything requiring the original
> > > sugar-toolkit from the default spin for an upcoming release so maybe
> > > we just need to go through the list below and work out which are
> > > likely to be migrated to gtk3 or JS and possibly just retire the rest?
> > > Thoughts?
> >
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-July/055529.html
> > was my last review of this list.  I've reviewed again and the changes
> > are small; Flipsticks port progressed but still unfinished, Labyrinth
> > embeds source which is upstream of Sugar Labs, Sri Lanka is new to the
> > list, as is Starchart.
> >
> > Given the pitiful progress over three months, you may have to retire
> > all these GTK2+ activities from Fedora.  If you decide that, let me
> > know, and I can post a final warning in a separate thread calling for
> > maintainers.
> >
> > Full review of your list again below.
> >
> > Port completed = 6
> > Port needed or in progress = 6
> > Port planned = 1
> > Missing maintainer = 11
> > No GitHub repository yet = 2
> >
> > > sugar-calendario-0:4-14.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port planned.  Missing maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/calendario/issues/1
> >
> > > sugar-castle-0:23-12.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.
> >
> > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4397
> >
> > > sugar-connect-0:22-22.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.
> >
> > http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/connect-activity/
> >
> > > sugar-countries-0:33-15.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing
> maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/countries-activity
> >
> > > sugar-deducto-0:9-13.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing
> maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/deducto
> >
> > > sugar-flipsticks-0:13-12.fc29.noarch
> >
> > Some change.  Port in progress.  Code changes pending.  Missing
> maintainer.
> >
> > https://github.com/sugarlabs/flipsticks/pull/3
> >
> > > sugar-kuku-0:5-8.fc29.noarch
> >
> > No change.  Port needed.  Missing maintainer.
> >
> > http://git.sugarlabs.org/kukuanakula
> > 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:17:50AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > > > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > > > later.
> > >
> > > Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> > > introspection for Telepathy.
> > >
> > > There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> > > Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> > > our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> > > to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
> > >
> > > With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> > > months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> > > discussion at the weekly meeting.
> >
> > OK, well keep me in the loop, people have already started the hack and
> > slash of what they feel as redundant pyhthon2 only dependencies in
> > Fedora 30. This has affected sugar-toolkit through the use of
> > gnome-python2-rsvg which affects the Activities below, we might be
> > able to get a minor window of relief on that but I'm not convinced.
>
> Yes, we saw that in the past year in Debian; the very few lines of
> source that make up the Rsvg static binding were embedded in something
> else rather than as a separate package or as part of Rsvg.

We had a stay of execution, it was actually a mistake, it was some
other package that was meant to get retired. Should be fixed soon.

> So OLPC lost the benefit of upstreaming sugar-toolkit (Sugar Toolkit
> for GTK+ 2), and now I maintain a custom or derivative package.
>
> I did offer to maintain the Rsvg static binding, but was told this was
> not welcome.
>
> In retrospect, it was suboptimal organisation of source code in
> earlier GNOME.
>
> > I noticed the new Moon 19 activity has moved to Javascript but I have
> > no idea how that works from a packaging dependency or Sugar bindings
> > PoV (does it use gjs?) and don't have the time to dig into it
> > unfortunately. Kalpa can you assist here?
>
> No, not gjs.  Package should continue to depend on sugar-toolkit-gtk3,
> as it calls /usr/bin/sugar-activity-web, which uses WebKit2.

Ah, yes, I remember this web activity concept now. Cool, will update it.

> I thought there was a Javascript activity already in Fedora somewhere,
> but I don't have a Fedora system handy to find out; grep for a file
> path pattern of "lib/sugar-web"
>
> > I was already considering dropping anything requiring the original
> > sugar-toolkit from the default spin for an upcoming release so maybe
> > we just need to go through the list below and work out which are
> > likely to be migrated to gtk3 or JS and possibly just retire the rest?
> > Thoughts?
>
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-July/055529.html
> was my last review of this list.  I've reviewed again and the changes
> are small; Flipsticks port progressed but still unfinished, Labyrinth
> embeds source which is upstream of Sugar Labs, Sri Lanka is new to the
> list, as is Starchart.
>
> Given the pitiful progress over three months, you may have to retire
> all these GTK2+ activities from Fedora.  If you decide that, let me
> know, and I can post a final warning in a separate thread calling for
> maintainers.
>
> Full review of your list again below.
>
> Port completed = 6
> Port needed or in progress = 6
> Port planned = 1
> Missing maintainer = 11
> No GitHub repository yet = 2
>
> > sugar-calendario-0:4-14.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port planned.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/calendario/issues/1
>
> > sugar-castle-0:23-12.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4397
>
> > sugar-connect-0:22-22.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.
>
> http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/connect-activity/
>
> > sugar-countries-0:33-15.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/countries-activity
>
> > sugar-deducto-0:9-13.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/deducto
>
> > sugar-flipsticks-0:13-12.fc29.noarch
>
> Some change.  Port in progress.  Code changes pending.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/flipsticks/pull/3
>
> > sugar-kuku-0:5-8.fc29.noarch
>
> No change.  Port needed.  Missing maintainer.
>
> http://git.sugarlabs.org/kukuanakula
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4526
>
> > sugar-labyrinth-0:16-10.fc29.noarch
>
> Some change.  Embeds Labyrinth upstream sources.  Labyrinth upstream
> has not finished porting yet.  A partial port by a GCI student is in
> our repository but doesn't work.  Missing maintainer.
>
> https://github.com/labyrinth-team/labyrinth
> 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[James Cameron]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 10:17:50AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > > later.
> >
> > Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> > introspection for Telepathy.
> >
> > There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> > Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> > our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> > to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
> >
> > With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> > months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> > discussion at the weekly meeting.
> 
> OK, well keep me in the loop, people have already started the hack and
> slash of what they feel as redundant pyhthon2 only dependencies in
> Fedora 30. This has affected sugar-toolkit through the use of
> gnome-python2-rsvg which affects the Activities below, we might be
> able to get a minor window of relief on that but I'm not convinced.

Yes, we saw that in the past year in Debian; the very few lines of
source that make up the Rsvg static binding were embedded in something
else rather than as a separate package or as part of Rsvg.

So OLPC lost the benefit of upstreaming sugar-toolkit (Sugar Toolkit
for GTK+ 2), and now I maintain a custom or derivative package.

I did offer to maintain the Rsvg static binding, but was told this was
not welcome.

In retrospect, it was suboptimal organisation of source code in
earlier GNOME.

> I noticed the new Moon 19 activity has moved to Javascript but I have
> no idea how that works from a packaging dependency or Sugar bindings
> PoV (does it use gjs?) and don't have the time to dig into it
> unfortunately. Kalpa can you assist here?

No, not gjs.  Package should continue to depend on sugar-toolkit-gtk3,
as it calls /usr/bin/sugar-activity-web, which uses WebKit2.

I thought there was a Javascript activity already in Fedora somewhere,
but I don't have a Fedora system handy to find out; grep for a file
path pattern of "lib/sugar-web"

> I was already considering dropping anything requiring the original
> sugar-toolkit from the default spin for an upcoming release so maybe
> we just need to go through the list below and work out which are
> likely to be migrated to gtk3 or JS and possibly just retire the rest?
> Thoughts?

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-July/055529.html
was my last review of this list.  I've reviewed again and the changes
are small; Flipsticks port progressed but still unfinished, Labyrinth
embeds source which is upstream of Sugar Labs, Sri Lanka is new to the
list, as is Starchart.

Given the pitiful progress over three months, you may have to retire
all these GTK2+ activities from Fedora.  If you decide that, let me
know, and I can post a final warning in a separate thread calling for
maintainers.

Full review of your list again below.

Port completed = 6
Port needed or in progress = 6
Port planned = 1
Missing maintainer = 11
No GitHub repository yet = 2

> sugar-calendario-0:4-14.fc29.noarch

No change.  Port planned.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/calendario/issues/1

> sugar-castle-0:23-12.fc29.noarch

No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4397

> sugar-connect-0:22-22.fc29.noarch

No change.  Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.

http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/connect-activity/

> sugar-countries-0:33-15.fc29.noarch

No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/countries-activity

> sugar-deducto-0:9-13.fc29.noarch

No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/deducto

> sugar-flipsticks-0:13-12.fc29.noarch

Some change.  Port in progress.  Code changes pending.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/flipsticks/pull/3

> sugar-kuku-0:5-8.fc29.noarch

No change.  Port needed.  Missing maintainer.

http://git.sugarlabs.org/kukuanakula
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4526

> sugar-labyrinth-0:16-10.fc29.noarch

Some change.  Embeds Labyrinth upstream sources.  Labyrinth upstream
has not finished porting yet.  A partial port by a GCI student is in
our repository but doesn't work.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/labyrinth-team/labyrinth
https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity
https://github.com/sugarlabs/labyrinth-activity/issues/1

> sugar-moon-0:18-2.fc29.noarch

Some change.  Port completed.  Released.  Use v19.

> sugar-playgo-0:5-18.fc29.noarch

No change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.
https://github.com/sugarlabs/playgo-activity

> sugar-srilanka-0:3-8.fc29.noarch

Some change.  Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

> > What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> > working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> > later.
>
> Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
> introspection for Telepathy.
>
> There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
> Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
> our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
> to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.
>
> With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
> months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
> discussion at the weekly meeting.

OK, well keep me in the loop, people have already started the hack and
slash of what they feel as redundant pyhthon2 only dependencies in
Fedora 30. This has affected sugar-toolkit through the use of
gnome-python2-rsvg which affects the Activities below, we might be
able to get a minor window of relief on that but I'm not convinced.

I noticed the new Moon 19 activity has moved to Javascript but I have
no idea how that works from a packaging dependency or Sugar bindings
PoV (does it use gjs?) and don't have the time to dig into it
unfortunately.Kalpa can you assist here?

I was already considering dropping anything requiring the original
sugar-toolkit from the default spin for an upcoming release so maybe
we just need to go through the list below and work out which are
likely to be migrated to gtk3 or JS and possibly just retire the rest?
Thoughts?

sugar-calendario-0:4-14.fc29.noarch
sugar-castle-0:23-12.fc29.noarch
sugar-connect-0:22-22.fc29.noarch
sugar-countries-0:33-15.fc29.noarch
sugar-deducto-0:9-13.fc29.noarch
sugar-flipsticks-0:13-12.fc29.noarch
sugar-kuku-0:5-8.fc29.noarch
sugar-labyrinth-0:16-10.fc29.noarch
sugar-moon-0:18-2.fc29.noarch
sugar-playgo-0:5-18.fc29.noarch
sugar-srilanka-0:3-8.fc29.noarch
sugar-starchart-0:16-9.fc29.noarch
sugar-view-slides-0:8-19.fc29.noarch
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[James Cameron]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 07:51:52PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 02:00:11PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > > >
> > > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > > > directories.
> > > >
> > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> > >
> > > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all right.
> > >
> > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> > >
> > > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> > >
> > > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> > > >
> > > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> > > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > > >
> > > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> > >
> > > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> > >
> > > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> > > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> > > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> > > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > > >
> > > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> > > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> > > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > > > organisation.
> > >
> > > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
> >
> > Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
> > a v0.114 around 6th October.
> 
> What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
> working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than
> later.

Stalled on sugar-toolkit-gtk3 port from static to PyGObject
introspection for Telepathy.

There's still no Python 3 support for the static binding in the
Telepathy project, though the binding has been ported to Python 3 by
our developer Rahul.  So porting to PyGObject seems like the right way
to go.  It is in progress.  PRs #389 and #383.

With only myself and Rahul looking at this, I'd guess another few
months before a release with Python 3 support.  I'll put it down for
discussion at the weekly meeting.

> 
> > > > Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
> > > >
> > > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
> > > >   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
> > > >   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,
> > >
> > > We'll likely take this option and then drop the py2 once there's no
> > > longer any dependencies.
> > >
> > > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
> > > >   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
> > > >
> > > >> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> > > >> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> > > >> to assist?
> > > >
> > > > I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> > > > maintained.
> > >
> > > Do let me know if you know of people that are interested, the more the
> > > merrier and I'm happy to assist with Mentoring.
> > >
> > > Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 02:00:11PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> > >
> > > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > > directories.
> > >
> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> >
> > Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all right.
> >
> > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> >
> > Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> >
> > >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> > >
> > > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> > >
> > >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> > >> sugar-presence-service!
> > >
> > > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> >
> > They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> > removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> >
> > >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> > >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> > >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> > >> coffin for Sugar?
> > >
> > > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> > > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> > > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > > organisation.
> >
> > Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?
>
> Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
> a v0.114 around 6th October.

What's the status of the 0.113/114 releases? I'd like to start to
working on the python3 builds for Fedora 30 sooner rather than later.

> > > Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
> > >
> > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
> > >   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
> > >   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,
> >
> > We'll likely take this option and then drop the py2 once there's no
> > longer any dependencies.
> >
> > > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
> > >   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
> > >
> > >> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> > >> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> > >> to assist?
> > >
> > > I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> > > maintained.
> >
> > Do let me know if you know of people that are interested, the more the
> > merrier and I'm happy to assist with Mentoring.
> >
> > Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[James Cameron]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 02:00:11PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> >
> > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > directories.
> >
> > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> 
> Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all right.
> 
> > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> 
> Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!
> 
> >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> >
> > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> >
> >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> >> sugar-presence-service!
> >
> > I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
> 
> They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
> removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.
> 
> >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> >> coffin for Sugar?
> >
> > Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> > requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> > components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> > organisation.
> 
> Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?

Following last year's release plan; a v0.113 around 9th September, and
a v0.114 around 6th October.

> > Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
> >
> > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
> >   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
> >   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,
> 
> We'll likely take this option and then drop the py2 once there's no
> longer any dependencies.
> 
> > - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
> >   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
> >
> >> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> >> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> >> to assist?
> >
> > I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> > maintained.
> 
> Do let me know if you know of people that are interested, the more the
> merrier and I'm happy to assist with Mentoring.
> 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

>> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
>> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
>> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
>> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
>
> They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> directories.
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2

Ha, already have that, will review packaging and make sure it's all right.

> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2

Awesome! This makes me happy, thanks!

>> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
>> moved to gtk3, any plans?
>
> Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
>
>> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
>> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
>> sugar-presence-service!
>
> I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.

They stopped responding years ago, they never even got around to
removing the presence-server dep. I've retired it now.

>> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
>> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
>> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
>> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
>> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
>> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
>> coffin for Sugar?
>
> Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> organisation.

Awesome news! Is there a rough timeline for this?

> Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
>
> - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
>   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
>   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,

We'll likely take this option and then drop the py2 once there's no
longer any dependencies.

> - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
>   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
>
>> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
>> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
>> to assist?
>
> I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> maintained.

Do let me know if you know of people that are interested, the more the
merrier and I'm happy to assist with Mentoring.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 12:43 AM, James Cameron  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:26:21PM +0800, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:18 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Peter,
>> >
>> > 1) Clock and Record have been ported to gst1.0
>> >
>> > 2) There are quite a number of activities that have/are being ported to 
>> > gtk3 and more will follow.
>> >
>>
>> I saw some PRs to port activities to gtk3, but not sure whether we
>> make a release once the porting is done. If we can make a release
>> (where applicable), we can continue to package for Fedora.
>>
>> btw, https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s/sugar-* is the list of
>> sugar activities we package as of today.
>
> Please list which of these packages you think needs a port to GTK+ 3?
>
> You've probably got good access to the packaging sources, so you can
> find them quickly.
>
> Some of them I don't recognise, so there's a possibility that Sugar
> Labs isn't maintaining these sources (through contributor attrition or
> because the source came from elsewhere), and we may have to grab a
> copy of the sources held by Fedora.

Yes, I understand. The list I have is below:

$ dnf repoquery --whatrequires sugar-toolkit
sugar-analyze-0:8-20.fc28.noarch
sugar-calendario-0:4-12.fc28.noarch
sugar-castle-0:23-11.fc28.noarch
sugar-connect-0:22-21.fc28.noarch
sugar-countries-0:33-14.fc28.noarch
sugar-deducto-0:9-12.fc28.noarch
sugar-flipsticks-0:13-11.fc28.noarch
sugar-kuku-0:5-7.fc28.noarch
sugar-labyrinth-0:16-9.fc28.noarch
sugar-moon-0:17-5.fc28.noarch
sugar-moon-0:18-1.fc28.noarch
sugar-playgo-0:5-18.fc28.noarch
sugar-record-0:102-6.fc28.noarch
sugar-srilanka-0:3-7.fc28.noarch
sugar-starchart-0:16-8.fc28.noarch
sugar-view-slides-0:8-18.fc28.noarch
sugar-xomail-0:0-0.17.20090128.fc28.noarch
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[James Cameron]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 11:08:48AM +0800, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 7:52 AM James Cameron  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 09:35:47AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.
> > >
> > > I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
> > > doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
> > > problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.
> > >
> > > Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.
> > >
> > > But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
> > > they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
> > > from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
> > > worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.
> > >
> > > 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > > truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > > that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > > Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> >
> > They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> > directories.
> >
> > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
> >
> > > 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > > moved to gtk3, any plans?
> >
> > Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> > we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
> >
> 
> I found the following packages in Fedora still not moved to GTK3.

Thanks, that saves me lots of time.  I'll review each below and make
suggestions as your upstream.

Summary; package new releases of sugar-paths, sugar-recall, and
sugar-recall.  Wait for releases of, or package from git,
sugar-countries, sugar-deducto, subar-labyrinth, sugar-playgo, and
sugar-view-slides.

> sugar-analyze

Stop packaging this.  It has no useful features and no upstream
maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/analyze/issues/9

> sugar-calendario

Port planned.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/calendario/issues/1

> sugar-castle

Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4397

> sugar-connect

Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.

http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/connect-activity/

> sugar-countries

Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/countries-activity

> sugar-deducto

Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/deducto

> sugar-flipsticks

Port in progress.  Code review pending.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/flipsticks/pull/3

> sugar-kuku

Port needed.  Missing maintainer.

http://git.sugarlabs.org/kukuanakula
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4526

> sugar-labyrinth

Port completed by two different people (!).  Source repositories in
conflict.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/laybrinth-activity
https://github.com/sugarlabs/laybrinth-activity/issues/1

> sugar-moon

Port needed.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/moon-activity

An alternative is the Moon activity from the Sugarizer hostile
fork, which was fixed by Sebastian last year;

https://github.com/zhirzh/sugarizer-activity-moon/pull/13

> sugar-paths

Please upgrade.  Port was completed and released as v20 as git tag,
and a bundle, but without a tarball.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/paths/releases (tagged)
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4409 (bundle)
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Paths/ (missing)

> sugar-playgo

Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.
https://github.com/sugarlabs/playgo-activity

> sugar-recall

Please upgrade.  Port was completed and released as v6 as git tag, and
a bundle, but without a tarball.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/recall/releases
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4567
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Recall/ (missing)

> sugar-record

Please upgrade.  Port was completed and released as v200 as git tag
and a tarball.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/record-activity/releases
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/ (tarball)

> sugar-view-slides

Port completed.  Upstream release needed.  Missing maintainer.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/viewslides

> sugar-xomail

Port needed.  No GitHub repository yet.  Missing maintainer.

http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sweetmail (abandoned work in progress)

For the situations above where a port is completed but upstream has
not given you a release, you might cherry pick or rebase your package
from git.

> > > 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > > retiring it 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Kalpa Welivitigoda]

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 7:52 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 09:35:47AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.
> >
> > I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
> > doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
> > problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.
> >
> > Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.
> >
> > But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
> > they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
> > from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
> > worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.
> >
> > 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> > truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> > that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> > Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
>
> They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
> directories.
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2
>
> > 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> > moved to gtk3, any plans?
>
> Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
> we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.
>

I found the following packages in Fedora still not moved to GTK3.

sugar-analyze
sugar-calendario
sugar-castle
sugar-connect
sugar-countries
sugar-deducto
sugar-flipsticks
sugar-kuku
sugar-labyrinth
sugar-moon
sugar-paths
sugar-playgo
sugar-recall
sugar-record
sugar-view-slides
sugar-xomail

> > 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> > retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> > sugar-presence-service!
>
> I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.
>
> > 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> > now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> > years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> > remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> > been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> > possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> > coffin for Sugar?
>
> Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
> requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
> components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
> organisation.
>
> Your downstream transition plan can be one of;
>
> - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
>   Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
>   you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,
>
> - package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
>   Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.
>
> > Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> > still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> > to assist?
>
> I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
> maintained.
>
> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[James Cameron]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 09:35:47AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.
> 
> I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
> doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
> problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.
> 
> Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.
> 
> But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
> they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
> from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
> worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.
> 
> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?

They were moved.  Check the release announcements and the tarball
directories.

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Clock/Clock-20.tar.bz2
http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/Record/Record-200.tar.bz2

> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> moved to gtk3, any plans?

Yes.  We have a contributor working on that now, so please make sure
we know which ones Fedora think are still GTK+ 2.  Time critical.

> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> sugar-presence-service!

I've no news on this one.  Best to contact Etoys project.

> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> coffin for Sugar?

Our port to Python 3 is going well.  We have good working code in pull
requests and branches, and plan to merge it once we have the critical
components complete.  Our plan is in the GitHub projects tab for the
organisation.

Your downstream transition plan can be one of;

- package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as both Python 2 and Python 3, so that
  Python 3 activities can be packaged, and so that Python 2 packages
  you have now need not be rushed into Python 3,

- package sugar-toolkit-gtk3 as only Python 3, and make sure all your
  Python 2 activity packages are either dropped or ported to Python 3.

> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> to assist?

I agree, downstreams need help, it's a big job to keep this
maintained.

> 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[James Cameron]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:26:21PM +0800, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote:
> Hi all,
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:18 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > 1) Clock and Record have been ported to gst1.0
> >
> > 2) There are quite a number of activities that have/are being ported to 
> > gtk3 and more will follow.
> >
> 
> I saw some PRs to port activities to gtk3, but not sure whether we
> make a release once the porting is done. If we can make a release
> (where applicable), we can continue to package for Fedora.
> 
> btw, https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s/sugar-* is the list of
> sugar activities we package as of today.

Please list which of these packages you think needs a port to GTK+ 3?

You've probably got good access to the packaging sources, so you can
find them quickly.

Some of them I don't recognise, so there's a possibility that Sugar
Labs isn't maintaining these sources (through contributor attrition or
because the source came from elsewhere), and we may have to grab a
copy of the sources held by Fedora.

Alternatively, you might try to identify the upstream somehow.

> > 4) There's an ongoing port of the sugar gtk3 toolkit to python3 and it'll 
> > get to other parts of sugar soon.
> >
> > I'd love to assist, but that'll be once i get Fedora up and running.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ibiam Chihurumnaya 
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Peter Robinson  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.
> >>
> >> I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
> >> doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
> >> problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.
> >>
> >> Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.
> >>
> >> But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
> >> they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
> >> from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
> >> worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.
> >>
> >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> >>
> >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> >>
> >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> >> sugar-presence-service!
> >>
> >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> >> coffin for Sugar?
> >>
> >> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> >> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> >> to assist?
> >>
> >> Peter
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> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

There's a plan to release all ported activities.

-- 

Ibiam Chihurumnaya 


On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:18 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > 1) Clock and Record have been ported to gst1.0
> >
> > 2) There are quite a number of activities that have/are being ported to
> gtk3 and more will follow.
> >
>
> I saw some PRs to port activities to gtk3, but not sure whether we
> make a release once the porting is done. If we can make a release
> (where applicable), we can continue to package for Fedora.
>
> btw, https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s/sugar-* is the list of
> sugar activities we package as of today.
>
> > 4) There's an ongoing port of the sugar gtk3 toolkit to python3 and
> it'll get to other parts of sugar soon.
> >
> > I'd love to assist, but that'll be once i get Fedora up and running.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ibiam Chihurumnaya 
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Peter Robinson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.
> >>
> >> I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
> >> doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
> >> problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.
> >>
> >> Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.
> >>
> >> But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
> >> they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
> >> from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
> >> worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.
> >>
> >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> >>
> >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> >>
> >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> >> sugar-presence-service!
> >>
> >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> >> coffin for Sugar?
> >>
> >> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> >> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> >> to assist?
> >>
> >> Peter
> >> ___
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> >> s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
> >
> >
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>
>
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>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Kalpa Welivitigoda]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:26 PM Kalpa Welivitigoda  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:18 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > 1) Clock and Record have been ported to gst1.0
> >
> > 2) There are quite a number of activities that have/are being ported to 
> > gtk3 and more will follow.
> >
>
> I saw some PRs to port activities to gtk3, but not sure whether we
> make a release once the porting is done. If we can make a release
> (where applicable), we can continue to package for Fedora.
>
> btw, https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s/sugar-* is the list of
> sugar activities we package as of today.
>
> > 4) There's an ongoing port of the sugar gtk3 toolkit to python3 and it'll 
> > get to other parts of sugar soon.
> >
> > I'd love to assist, but that'll be once i get Fedora up and running.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ibiam Chihurumnaya 
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Peter Robinson  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.
> >>
> >> I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
> >> doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
> >> problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.
> >>
> >> Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.
> >>
> >> But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
> >> they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
> >> from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
> >> worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.
> >>
> >> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> >> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> >> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> >> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
> >>
> >> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> >> moved to gtk3, any plans?
> >>
> >> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> >> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> >> sugar-presence-service!
> >>
> >> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> >> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> >> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> >> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> >> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> >> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> >> coffin for Sugar?
> >>
> >> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> >> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> >> to assist?
> >>

I will continue the package maintaining effort. Apart from that I
would love to help with SoaS or any related tasks.

> >> Peter
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>
>
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>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Kalpa Welivitigoda]

Hi all,
On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:18 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
 wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> 1) Clock and Record have been ported to gst1.0
>
> 2) There are quite a number of activities that have/are being ported to gtk3 
> and more will follow.
>

I saw some PRs to port activities to gtk3, but not sure whether we
make a release once the porting is done. If we can make a release
(where applicable), we can continue to package for Fedora.

btw, https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s/sugar-* is the list of
sugar activities we package as of today.

> 4) There's an ongoing port of the sugar gtk3 toolkit to python3 and it'll get 
> to other parts of sugar soon.
>
> I'd love to assist, but that'll be once i get Fedora up and running.
>
> --
>
> Ibiam Chihurumnaya 
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Peter Robinson  wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.
>>
>> I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
>> doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
>> problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.
>>
>> Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.
>>
>> But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
>> they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
>> from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
>> worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.
>>
>> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
>> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
>> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
>> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
>>
>> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
>> moved to gtk3, any plans?
>>
>> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
>> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
>> sugar-presence-service!
>>
>> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
>> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
>> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
>> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
>> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
>> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
>> coffin for Sugar?
>>
>> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
>> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
>> to assist?
>>
>> Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar on Fedora looking forward

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Peter,

1) Clock and Record have been ported to gst1.0

2) There are quite a number of activities that have/are being ported to
gtk3 and more will follow.

4) There's an ongoing port of the sugar gtk3 toolkit to python3 and it'll
get to other parts of sugar soon.

I'd love to assist, but that'll be once i get Fedora up and running.

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Peter Robinson 
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> This is intended to ask questions and seek feedback.
>
> I've not really had time to deal with Sugar for some time, but it also
> doesn't tend to take up a lot of time so it's not been a major
> problem, we glue it together when it breaks etc.
>
> Kalpa has done a good job keeping most of the Activities up to date.
>
> But there's a number of things that are getting to the point where
> they'll need action or they'll break so I'd like to gather details
> from the Sugar community what their plans are here to see if it's
> worthwhile continuing the Fedora support of Sugar.
>
> 1) gstreamer 1.0 support in Activies. The 0.10 series is well and
> truly dead and unmaintained, but there's a couple of key Activities
> that still depend on it. Clock and Record are the two big ones here.
> Are there any plans to move them to gst1?
>
> 2) GTK2 sugar-toolkit, again a number of Activities still haven't
> moved to gtk3, any plans?
>
> 3) eToys, we've not shipped this by default for some time, I plan on
> retiring it and any of it's dependencies in Fedora 29. Good riddance
> sugar-presence-service!
>
> 4) This is the big one... python2. With python2 being EOL real soon
> now is there any interest in moving to py3, I know there was some work
> years ago to do some readiness here with the move to gtk3 but I don't
> remember the details. Fedora is actively moving to python3 and has
> been for some years, I think for at least 6 releases it's been
> possible to run without py2 installed at all. Is this the nail in the
> coffin for Sugar?
>
> Also with my note above about time and the points in between are there
> still people interested in Sugar on Fedora? Anyone interested enough
> to assist?
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar 0.112 on Fedora 28 SoaS

[James Cameron]

Thomas, the "had to press f1-f3" is tracked here;
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/issues/769

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 06:17:48PM -0700, Thomas Gilliard wrote:
> Installed medawriter usb branched everything netinstall of workstation today 
> to ext usb Hd 
> Then did dnf groupinstall of sugar-desktop-environment.
> Bubble background.
> Sugar was 0.112 when selected in gdm.
> Had to press f1-f3 to get out of journal to f3 home on first start. (Known 
> bug )
> 
> > On Mar 12, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Peter Robinson  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > We're in Beta freeze for Fedora 28. We have Sugar 0.112, there's
> > nightly images for the various architectures at the URLs below. Please
> > test so we don't end up in a situation like last cycle where people
> > were testing at the last moment before release.
> > 
> > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub//fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/x86_64/iso/
> > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/armhfp/images/
> > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/development/28/Spins/i386/iso/
> > 
> > One thing to note is there will be a newer CSound package landing
> > shortly, it's been upgraded from 6.03 to the latest 6.10 and I've no
> > idea if the API has changed and if it will affect any of the
> > Activities using it. You'll be able to testing by doing a "dnf
> > upgrade" once booted.
> > 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Sugar 0.112 on Fedora 28 SoaS

[Thomas Gilliard]

Installed medawriter usb branched everything netinstall of workstation today to 
ext usb Hd 
Then did dnf groupinstall of sugar-desktop-environment.
Bubble background.
Sugar was 0.112 when selected in gdm.
Had to press f1-f3 to get out of journal to f3 home on first start. (Known bug )

> On Mar 12, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Peter Robinson  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> We're in Beta freeze for Fedora 28. We have Sugar 0.112, there's
> nightly images for the various architectures at the URLs below. Please
> test so we don't end up in a situation like last cycle where people
> were testing at the last moment before release.
> 
> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub//fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/x86_64/iso/
> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/28/Spins/armhfp/images/
> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/development/28/Spins/i386/iso/
> 
> One thing to note is there will be a newer CSound package landing
> shortly, it's been upgraded from 6.03 to the latest 6.10 and I've no
> idea if the API has changed and if it will affect any of the
> Activities using it. You'll be able to testing by doing a "dnf
> upgrade" once booted.
> 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Peter Robinson]

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:50 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:36:13AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:29 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:00:11AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:54 AM, James Cameron  wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 08:58:01AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:24 AM, James Cameron  
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:15:16PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:39 PM, James Cameron 
>> >> >> >> <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 06:13:51PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, James Cameron 
>> >> >> >> <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Familiar.  Looks like RHBZ #1490668.
>> >> >> >> > [3]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490668
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Sugar doesn't log to systemd journal, so best log file is 
>> >> >> >> still
>> >> >> >> > ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log ... is that file present?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:38:21PM -0400, Frederick Grose 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > Tested with Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-20171023.n.0.iso 
>> >> >> >> (similar
>> >> >> >> failure
>> >> >> >> > > on Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27_Beta-1.5.iso)
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The image boots to the liveuser login screen but fails 
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > > launch into the Sugar session.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > journalctl -ab -o short-monotonic > 
>> >> >> >> soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > 
>> >> >> >> [4]https://gist.github.com/FGrose/97d834d362c7e1e3f690b97612c673dd
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The lightdm lines look suspicious to me...
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > $ grep lightdm 
>> >> >> >> /home/fgrose/Documents/soas27bootjournal.txt
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > [...]
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Yes,
>> >> >> >> > Traceback (most recent call last):
>> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 174, in 
>> >> >> >> _run_module_as_main
>> >> >> >> > "__main__", fname, loader, pkg_name)
>> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 72, in _run_code
>> >> >> >> > exec code in run_globals
>> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/main.py", 
>> >> >> >> line 73, in
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view import keyhandler
>> >> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py", line
>> >> >> >> 32,
>> >> >> >> > in 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.journal import journalactivity
>> >> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalacti
>> >> >> >> vity.py",
>> >> >> >> > line 45, in 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.journal.volumestoolbar import VolumesToolbar
>> >> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/volumestool
>> >> >> >> bar.py",
>> >> >> >> > line 42, in 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view.palettes import VolumePalette
>> >> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/palettes.py", line
>> >> >> >> 38, in
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view.viewhelp import setup_view_help
>> >> >> >> >   File 
>> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py", line
>> >> >> >> 46, in
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view.viewhelp_webkit2 import Browser
>> >> >> >> > ImportError: No module named viewhelp_webkit2
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The ImportError suggests file viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing; 
>> >> >> >> can you
>> >> >> >> confirm that?  It should be right next to
>> >> >> >> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ls -la usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/
>> >> >> >> total 432
>> >> >> >> drwxr-xr-x.  2 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 .
>> >> >> >> drwxr-xr-x. 11 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 ..
>> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2028 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.py
>> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2647 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.pyc
>> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2647 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.pyo
>> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2754 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.py
>> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  3008 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.pyc
>> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  3008 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.pyo
>> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  8687 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.py
>> >> >> >> 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[James Cameron]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:36:13AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:29 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:00:11AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:54 AM, James Cameron  wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 08:58:01AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:24 AM, James Cameron  
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:15:16PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:39 PM, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> 
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 06:13:51PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, James Cameron 
> >> >> >> <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > Familiar.  Looks like RHBZ #1490668.
> >> >> >> > [3]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490668
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sugar doesn't log to systemd journal, so best log file is 
> >> >> >> still
> >> >> >> > ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log ... is that file present?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:38:21PM -0400, Frederick Grose 
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > Tested with Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-20171023.n.0.iso 
> >> >> >> (similar
> >> >> >> failure
> >> >> >> > > on Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27_Beta-1.5.iso)
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > The image boots to the liveuser login screen but fails to
> >> >> >> > > launch into the Sugar session.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > journalctl -ab -o short-monotonic > soas27bootjournal.txt
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > 
> >> >> >> [4]https://gist.github.com/FGrose/97d834d362c7e1e3f690b97612c673dd
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > The lightdm lines look suspicious to me...
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > $ grep lightdm 
> >> >> >> /home/fgrose/Documents/soas27bootjournal.txt
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > [...]
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yes,
> >> >> >> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 174, in 
> >> >> >> _run_module_as_main
> >> >> >> > "__main__", fname, loader, pkg_name)
> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 72, in _run_code
> >> >> >> > exec code in run_globals
> >> >> >> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/main.py", line 
> >> >> >> 73, in
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view import keyhandler
> >> >> >> >   File 
> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py", line
> >> >> >> 32,
> >> >> >> > in 
> >> >> >> > from jarabe.journal import journalactivity
> >> >> >> >   File 
> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalacti
> >> >> >> vity.py",
> >> >> >> > line 45, in 
> >> >> >> > from jarabe.journal.volumestoolbar import VolumesToolbar
> >> >> >> >   File 
> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/volumestool
> >> >> >> bar.py",
> >> >> >> > line 42, in 
> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view.palettes import VolumePalette
> >> >> >> >   File 
> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/palettes.py", line
> >> >> >> 38, in
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view.viewhelp import setup_view_help
> >> >> >> >   File 
> >> >> >> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py", line
> >> >> >> 46, in
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > from jarabe.view.viewhelp_webkit2 import Browser
> >> >> >> > ImportError: No module named viewhelp_webkit2
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The ImportError suggests file viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing; 
> >> >> >> can you
> >> >> >> confirm that?  It should be right next to
> >> >> >> /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ls -la usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/
> >> >> >> total 432
> >> >> >> drwxr-xr-x.  2 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 .
> >> >> >> drwxr-xr-x. 11 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 ..
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2028 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.py
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2647 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.pyc
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2647 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.pyo
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2754 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.py
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  3008 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.pyc
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  3008 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.pyo
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  8687 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.py
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9396 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.pyc
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9396 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.pyo
> >> >> >> -rw-r--r--.  1 root root  1728 Aug 12 08:30 cursortracker.py
> >> >> >> 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Peter Robinson]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:19 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
> Everybody is talking not listening.  Listen up.  ;-)
>
> Frederick showed traceback from shell.log which said
> viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing.
>
> viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing from sugar-0.110.0-5.fc27.noarch.rpm
>
> viewhelp_webkit2.py was added by sugar-0.110.0-5.fc27.src.rpm
> sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch
>
> main.py and viewhelp.py are properly changed by
> sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch but the files added by
> sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch are missing.
>
> Thomas likely hit the same problem, but has not confirmed same
> shell.log.
>
> I don't know how to fix Peter's Fedora-packaging of my patch.  As
> upstream release manager my answer is "use 0.112" which Peter says is
> unlikely to happen because of the freeze.  Second best option is to
> fix the packaging.

The problem was that autoreconf needed to be run to pickup the changes
in Makefile.am

> Patch doesn't look like it was in Fedora 26, as I cannot find a file
> sugar-0.110.0-3.fc26.noarch.rpm
>
> The sugar-help package has nothing to do with the problem, but it
> would be nice to have it fixed too.

Someone will need to resubmit the package for review and packaging. If
I see sugar packages being retired/orphaned I pick them up myself but
I do not have the time to go through the review process and get it
re-added to the package set.

Ultimately my free time to do sugar related tasks these days is almost
zero so for those that do have an interest in keeping SoAS and sugar
in general in Fedora are going to need to assist me, and preferably
earlier in the cycle not moments before GA, otherwise it will go away.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[James Cameron]

Everybody is talking not listening.  Listen up.  ;-)

Frederick showed traceback from shell.log which said
viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing.

viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing from sugar-0.110.0-5.fc27.noarch.rpm

viewhelp_webkit2.py was added by sugar-0.110.0-5.fc27.src.rpm
sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch

main.py and viewhelp.py are properly changed by
sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch but the files added by
sugar-dropWebKitGtk3.patch are missing.

Thomas likely hit the same problem, but has not confirmed same
shell.log.

I don't know how to fix Peter's Fedora-packaging of my patch.  As
upstream release manager my answer is "use 0.112" which Peter says is
unlikely to happen because of the freeze.  Second best option is to
fix the packaging.

Patch doesn't look like it was in Fedora 26, as I cannot find a file
sugar-0.110.0-3.fc26.noarch.rpm

The sugar-help package has nothing to do with the problem, but it
would be nice to have it fixed too.

-- 
James Cameron
http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SoaS Fedora 27 beta fails to launch Sugar session

[Thomas Gilliard]

On 10/26/2017 01:29 PM, James Cameron wrote:

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:00:11AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 9:54 AM, James Cameron  wrote:

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 08:58:01AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:24 AM, James Cameron  wrote:

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:15:16PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:39 PM, James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 06:13:51PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
 > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:03 PM, James Cameron <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>
 wrote:
 > Familiar.  Looks like RHBZ #1490668.
 > [3]https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1490668
 >
 > Sugar doesn't log to systemd journal, so best log file is still
 > ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log ... is that file present?
 >
 > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:38:21PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote:
 > > Tested with Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27-20171023.n.0.iso (similar
 failure
 > > on Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-27_Beta-1.5.iso)
 > >
 > > The image boots to the liveuser login screen but fails to
 > > launch into the Sugar session.
 > >
 > > journalctl -ab -o short-monotonic > soas27bootjournal.txt
 > >
 > > [4]https://gist.github.com/FGrose/97d834d362c7e1e3f690b97612c673dd
 > >
 > > The lightdm lines look suspicious to me...
 > >
 > > $ grep lightdm /home/fgrose/Documents/soas27bootjournal.txt
 > >
 > > [...]
 > >
 >
 > Yes,
 > Traceback (most recent call last):
 >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 174, in _run_module_as_main
 > "__main__", fname, loader, pkg_name)
 >   File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/runpy.py", line 72, in _run_code
 > exec code in run_globals
 >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/main.py", line 73, in
 
 > from jarabe.view import keyhandler
 >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/keyhandler.py", line
 32,
 > in 
 > from jarabe.journal import journalactivity
 >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/journalacti
 vity.py",
 > line 45, in 
 > from jarabe.journal.volumestoolbar import VolumesToolbar
 >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/journal/volumestool
 bar.py",
 > line 42, in 
 > from jarabe.view.palettes import VolumePalette
 >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/palettes.py", line
 38, in
 > 
 > from jarabe.view.viewhelp import setup_view_help
 >   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py", line
 46, in
 > 
 > from jarabe.view.viewhelp_webkit2 import Browser
 > ImportError: No module named viewhelp_webkit2

 Thanks.

 The ImportError suggests file viewhelp_webkit2.py is missing; can you
 confirm that?  It should be right next to
 /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/viewhelp.py

ls -la usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/jarabe/view/
total 432
drwxr-xr-x.  2 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 .
drwxr-xr-x. 11 root root  4096 Oct 23 08:17 ..
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2028 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2647 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2647 Aug 12 08:30 alerts.pyo
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2754 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  3008 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  3008 Aug 12 08:30 buddyicon.pyo
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  8687 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9396 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9396 Aug 12 08:30 buddymenu.pyo
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  1728 Aug 12 08:30 cursortracker.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  1330 Aug 12 08:30 cursortracker.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  1330 Aug 12 08:30 cursortracker.pyo
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  7418 Aug 12 08:30 customizebundle.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  6241 Aug 12 08:30 customizebundle.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  6241 Aug 12 08:30 customizebundle.pyo
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  2473 Aug 12 08:30 gesturehandler.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2896 Aug 12 08:30 gesturehandler.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  2896 Aug 12 08:30 gesturehandler.pyo
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root   677 Aug 12 08:30 __init__.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root   143 Aug 12 08:30 __init__.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root   143 Aug 12 08:30 __init__.pyo
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  8290 Aug 12 08:30 keyhandler.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9438 Aug 12 08:30 keyhandler.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  9438 Aug 12 08:30 keyhandler.pyo
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root  6044 Aug 12 08:30 launcher.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  6752 Aug 12 08:30 launcher.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root  6752 Aug 12 08:30 launcher.pyo
-rw-r--r--.  1 root root 11282 Aug 12 08:30 palettes.py
-rw-r--r--.  2 root root 12132 Aug 12 08:30 palettes.pyc
-rw-r--r--.  

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:46 AM, David Leeming
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years old but was 
> a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run SOAS. It never 
> completes booting, you go through the name, colour, gender, school grade but 
> then it just shows the blank screen with only the mouse cursor screen never 
> getting as far as the Sugar Home View..

What release are you using? Can you go to a text console (Ctrl + Alt +
F2) and login there once it hangs? If so we might be able to get some
logs.

> Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the 32 bit or 
> 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried both), it boots OK 
> but freezes after starting a few activities. Could that be the activity 
> rather than the OS?

It could be, do you find it happens on specific Activities, when the
Activity freezes does it allow you to go back to the home screen
(press F3)? If not can you go to a text console (Ctrl + Alt + F2) and
login there.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[Iain Brown Douglas]

On Wed, 2015-09-09 at 12:46 +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Well my old Toshiba laptop for instance, a Qosmio i7, a few years old but was 
> a $2000 laptop when new. On this I can't boot and run SOAS. It never 
> completes booting, you go through the name, colour, gender, school grade but 
> then it just shows the blank screen with only the mouse cursor screen never 
> getting as far as the Sugar Home View..
> 
> Tested on a few of these - Lenovo Q190 desktop computer - using the 32 bit or 
> 64 bit version that worked (can't remember but we tried both), it boots OK 
> but freezes after starting a few activities. Could that be the activity 
> rather than the OS? 
> 
> As I said, on a very old Asus EEE PC 1005H model, it works very reliably 
> every time.
> 
> Could it be the LinuxLive USB Creator installer that is to blame?
> 
Hi David,

Quite possibly. LiLi was drawn to your attention because of apparent
specific hardware issue in your OP. From the information you give, I am
not certain which issues are due to "intermediaries" :)

In testing a bunch of [older] hardware, this is what I would do.

Get a [32 bit] SoaS image.

Easier for others/collaborators with no Sugar experience, a (same
version, F22 today) Fedora XFCE image. Burn the images to CD.

To test machines with no CD, I would dd the image to a USB stick.

Try to boot each machine from SoaS Live CD (or dd USB), and report any
fails.

And/or, try to boot Fedora XFCE Live CD, and test sound and video. This
should identify the machines which are Linux friendly.

There is also a Red Hat Hardware Compatibility List, which I previously
found reliable.

As mentioned previously, don't expect collaboration to work on current
Fedora without expert intervention.

Regards,

Iain

> David 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 11:05 a.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> 
> The same hardware requirements for the corresponding version of
> Fedora, since SOAS is based on Fedora.
> 
> SOAS itself has no hardware requirements beyond what Fedora has.
> 
> SOAS and Sugar are hardware agnostic.
> 
> However, some Sugar activities require a camera, some require
> microphone and speaker, and most require wireless or wired networking.
> 
> A keyboard, touchpad or mouse, and touchscreen are also useful.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:50:06AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > Hi James,
> > 
> > What are the hardware requirements for SOAS to work?
> > 
> > David 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:37 a.m.
> > To: David Leeming
> > Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> > 
> > G'day David,
> > 
> > I've no guidelines.  There are some industry best practices, but they
> > boil down to;
> > 
> > - conditions of sale, e.g. the seller warrants compatibility with
> >   Linux, or fails to,
> > 
> > - compatibility testing, e.g. running an uncustomised Linux such as
> >   Fedora, and verifying it works with enough stability,
> > 
> > - component testing, e.g. a memory tester,
> > 
> > - scenario testing, e.g. sleep and wake, lid close, lid open, wireless
> >   access, USB device access, sound playback, sound capture, video
> >   playback, video capture,
> > 
> > For hardware being repurposed, it helps to know where you got it from,
> > and what it has experienced.  A memory test may help to find thermal
> > problems, like dust in fans, or battery longevity.
> > 
> > Otherwise, it's a never ending problem.  ;-)
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:05:19AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > > Hi James,
> > > 
> > > Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in 
> > > reviewing hardware for compatibility? 
> > > 
> > > David 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m.
> > > To: David Leeming
> > > Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS
> > > 
> > > G'day David,
> > > 
> > > The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
> > > hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable wh

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[Peter Robinson]

Hi David,

Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.

> Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. That 
> is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also found 
> few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using LinuxLiveUSB, on 
> one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it seems the installer 
> was my issue.

I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
VirtualBox, glad it works for you.

> Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. If 
> not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence service on 
> a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to collaborate?. 
> I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the schools in Vanuatu 
> we'll be using gateway servers we have developed ourselves based on Debian 
> (Jessie 8).

I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.

Peter

> Best,
>
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'm the SoaS maintainer.
>
>> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
>> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane 
>> technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there 
>> a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used 
>> SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is 
>> stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use?
>
> The lastest stable version is available here:
> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
>
>> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent 
>> storage too little/too much?
>
> 2Gb should be fine.
>
> Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.
>
> Peter
>
>> David Leeming
>> Solomon Islands
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
>> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown 
>> Douglas
>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m.
>> To: David Leeming
>> Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel'
>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> From what you say, you already did a search for your error message.
>>
>> Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue?
>> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945
>>
>> I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works
>> fine.
>>
>> I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress.
>>
>> http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/
>>
>> Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :)
>>
>> Iain
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I
>>> haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just
>>> refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to
>>> introducing teachers to it in a forthcoming workshop in Vanuatu. We’ll
>>> be using tablets as well as PCs so I have familiarised myself with
>>> Sugarizer. I then intended to introduce the wider world of Sugar
>>> conveniently with SOAS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I have downloaded both the 32-bit and 64-bit iso files and verified
>>> their hashes. I also download the latest version of USB Live
>>> Installer. I formatted a fairly new 16GB USB with FAT32 and installed
>>> SOAS on it leaving 2000Mb of persistent memory. The USB stick is a
>>> “SanDisk Cruzer Facet 16GB”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[Sam P.]

Yeah, collaboration is broken in newer (20+? IDK) fedora versions.  That is
because of telepathy api changes.  We will attempt to fix this in the
coming release (0.108/1.0?).  That seems to the the consensus about the
coming release.

Thanks,
Sam

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 7:04 pm Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
>
> > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was
> recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for
> Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way.
> That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also
> found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using
> LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it
> seems the installer was my issue.
>
> I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
>
> > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN
> running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in
> neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an
> ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS.
> If not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence
> service on a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to
> collaborate?. I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the
> schools in Vanuatu we'll be using gateway servers we have developed
> ourselves based on Debian (Jessie 8).
>
> I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
> don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
> answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.
>
> Peter
>
> > Best,
> >
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:
> sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> > To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'm the SoaS maintainer.
> >
> >> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be
> more useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these
> arcane technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know,
> is there a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I
> have used SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which
> version is stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use?
> >
> > The lastest stable version is available here:
> > https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
> >
> >> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of
> persistent storage too little/too much?
> >
> > 2Gb should be fine.
> >
> > Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >> David Leeming
> >> Solomon Islands
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org [mailto:
> sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown Douglas
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m.
> >> To: David Leeming
> >> Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel'
> >> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
> >>
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> From what you say, you already did a search for your error message.
> >>
> >> Does this Fedora forum answer cover your issue?
> >> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=301945
> >>
> >> I have been working with the script livecd-iso-to-disk and it works
> >> fine.
> >>
> >> I am working on SoaS Loader, here is a link to the work in progress.
> >>
> >> http://soas-loader.readthedocs.org/
> >>
> >> Good luck, and thanks for putting time in trying to demonstrate SoaS :)
> >>
> >> Iain
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2015-07-21 at 10:51 +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have familiarity with Sugar since working with OLPC from 2008, but I
> >>> haven’t been active in these communities for some time. I’m just
> >>> refreshing myself on current status of Sugar with a view to
> >>> introducing 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[James Cameron]

G'day David,

I've no guidelines.  There are some industry best practices, but they
boil down to;

- conditions of sale, e.g. the seller warrants compatibility with
  Linux, or fails to,

- compatibility testing, e.g. running an uncustomised Linux such as
  Fedora, and verifying it works with enough stability,

- component testing, e.g. a memory tester,

- scenario testing, e.g. sleep and wake, lid close, lid open, wireless
  access, USB device access, sound playback, sound capture, video
  playback, video capture,

For hardware being repurposed, it helps to know where you got it from,
and what it has experienced.  A memory test may help to find thermal
problems, like dust in fans, or battery longevity.

Otherwise, it's a never ending problem.  ;-)

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:05:19AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing 
> hardware for compatibility? 
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS
> 
> G'day David,
> 
> The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
> hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
> known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
> won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
> Use a memory tester.
> 
> The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
> compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
> fix.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > Hi Peter, 
> > 
> > Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> > default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see 
> > one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
> > collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> > 
> > However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop 
> > were keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. 
> > With some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works 
> > well, but with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite 
> > complete the boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several 
> > types of USB drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is 
> > a lot of hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on 
> > every time and never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 
> > 
> > Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> > VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. 
> > But we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times 
> > (especially when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the 
> > Live boot sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do 
> > that either.
> > 
> > Hope this feedback is useful,
> > 
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
> > To: David Leeming
> > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown 
> > Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> > 
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
> > 
> > > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> > > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> > > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. 
> > > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I 
> > > also found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using 
> > > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So 
> > > it seems the installer was my issue.
> > 
> > I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> > VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
> > 
> > > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> > > running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> > > neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on 
> > > an ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of 
> > > SOAS. 

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[David Leeming]

Hi James,

Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing 
hardware for compatibility? 

David 


-Original Message-
From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS

G'day David,

The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
Use a memory tester.

The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
fix.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi Peter, 
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see 
> one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
> collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> 
> However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop were 
> keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. With 
> some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works well, but 
> with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite complete the 
> boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several types of USB 
> drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is a lot of 
> hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on every time and 
> never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 
> 
> Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. But 
> we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times (especially 
> when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the Live boot 
> sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do that either.
> 
> Hope this feedback is useful,
> 
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown 
> Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
> 
> > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. 
> > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also 
> > found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using 
> > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it 
> > seems the installer was my issue.
> 
> I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
> 
> > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> > running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> > neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> > ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. 
> > If not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence 
> > service on a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to 
> > collaborate?. I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the 
> > schools in Vanuatu we'll be using gateway servers we have developed 
> > ourselves based on Debian (Jessie 8).
> 
> I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
> don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
> answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.
> 
> Peter
> 
> > Best,
> >
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> > [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> > To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'm the SoaS maintainer.
> >
> >> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
>

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[David Leeming]

Hi Peter, 

Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see one 
of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.

However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop were 
keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. With some 
of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works well, but with 
others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite complete the boot 
sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several types of USB drive, 
reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is a lot of hardware 
dependency. The only computer I have that it works on every time and never 
freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 

Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. But 
we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times (especially 
when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the Live boot 
sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do that either.

Hope this feedback is useful,

David Leeming
Solomon Islands 


-Original Message-
From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

Hi David,

Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.

> Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. That 
> is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also found 
> few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using LinuxLiveUSB, on 
> one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it seems the installer 
> was my issue.

I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
VirtualBox, glad it works for you.

> Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. If 
> not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence service on 
> a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to collaborate?. 
> I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the schools in Vanuatu 
> we'll be using gateway servers we have developed ourselves based on Debian 
> (Jessie 8).

I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.

Peter

> Best,
>
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'm the SoaS maintainer.
>
>> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
>> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these arcane 
>> technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, is there 
>> a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I have used 
>> SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which version is 
>> stable and will boot without errors and not hang on use?
>
> The lastest stable version is available here:
> https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/soas/
>
>> Could be hardware? I will try with another flashdrive. Is 2GB of persistent 
>> storage too little/too much?
>
> 2Gb should be fine.
>
> Ask here on the SoaS list if you've got any other queries or issues.
>
> Peter
>
>> David Leeming
>> Solomon Islands
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
>> [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Iain Brown 
>> Douglas
>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 July 2015 7:52 p.m.
>> To: David Leeming
>> Cc: 'Sugar-dev Devel'
>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> From what you say, you already did a search for your error message.
>>
>> Does this Fedor

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[James Cameron]

G'day David,

The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
Use a memory tester.

The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
fix.

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi Peter, 
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see 
> one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
> collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> 
> However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop were 
> keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. With 
> some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works well, but 
> with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite complete the 
> boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several types of USB 
> drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is a lot of 
> hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on every time and 
> never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 
> 
> Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. But 
> we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times (especially 
> when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the Live boot 
> sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do that either.
> 
> Hope this feedback is useful,
> 
> David Leeming
> Solomon Islands 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown 
> Douglas
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
> 
> > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. 
> > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I also 
> > found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using 
> > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So it 
> > seems the installer was my issue.
> 
> I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
> 
> > Regarding collaboration, if we have a few PC computers on the same WLAN 
> > running SOAS, can we expect them to see each other and collaborate in 
> > neighbourhood view, without a server (ie. in the same fashion as XOs on an 
> > ad-hoc network)? I seem to recall doing that with early versions of SOAS. 
> > If not, is there a simple/light way to enable collaboration/presence 
> > service on a local server sufficient to allow a few local SOAS machines to 
> > collaborate?. I am familiar with XS developments (up to 0.7) but in the 
> > schools in Vanuatu we'll be using gateway servers we have developed 
> > ourselves based on Debian (Jessie 8).
> 
> I believe there's an issue with recent versions on collaboration, I
> don't remember the exact issues, maybe one of the sugar devs can
> answer the reasons and when it's expected it can be fixed.
> 
> Peter
> 
> > Best,
> >
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org 
> > [mailto:sugar-devel-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2015 10:58 a.m.
> > To: Development of live Sugar distributions
> > Cc: Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'm the SoaS maintainer.
> >
> >> I want to demonstrate SOAS to teachers in Vanuatu. I would like to be more 
> >> useful, but actually don't have the luxury of time to research these 
> >> arcane technical issues in which I am not an expert. I just want to know, 
> >> is there a version of SOAS that is properly tested and known to work? I 
> >> have used SOAS many times before (years ago) without any problems. Which 
> >> version is stab

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

[David Leeming]

Hi James,

What are the hardware requirements for SOAS to work?

David 


-Original Message-
From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:37 a.m.
To: David Leeming
Cc: s...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS

G'day David,

I've no guidelines.  There are some industry best practices, but they
boil down to;

- conditions of sale, e.g. the seller warrants compatibility with
  Linux, or fails to,

- compatibility testing, e.g. running an uncustomised Linux such as
  Fedora, and verifying it works with enough stability,

- component testing, e.g. a memory tester,

- scenario testing, e.g. sleep and wake, lid close, lid open, wireless
  access, USB device access, sound playback, sound capture, video
  playback, video capture,

For hardware being repurposed, it helps to know where you got it from,
and what it has experienced.  A memory test may help to find thermal
problems, like dust in fans, or battery longevity.

Otherwise, it's a never ending problem.  ;-)

On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 10:05:19AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> Yes that is understood. Are there any guidelines we can follow in reviewing 
> hardware for compatibility? 
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: qu...@laptop.org [mailto:qu...@laptop.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2015 10:00 a.m.
> To: David Leeming
> Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; s...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [SoaS] [Sugar-devel] SOAS
> 
> G'day David,
> 
> The stability problems you describe are not SOAS or Linux, but rather
> hardware.  We find Sugar, SOAS, or Linux very stable when used on
> known good hardware or in emulation on known good hardware.  Emulation
> won't fix your stability issues though; you have to fix the hardware.
> Use a memory tester.
> 
> The collaboration problems you describe are Sugar vs Fedora
> compatibility, and as Sam says are on the list for Sugar developers to
> fix.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47:15AM +1100, David Leeming wrote:
> > Hi Peter, 
> > 
> > Thanks for the confirmation of that. I did notice some issues, using the 
> > default online server with two or three SOAS active, I could sometimes see 
> > one of the identities in Neighbourhood but never both or all of them. Thus, 
> > collaboration was not possible to demonstrate.
> > 
> > However, even without collaboration the teachers in my Vanuatu workshop 
> > were keen to try for themselves. This issue we found was unpredictability. 
> > With some of the computer types we were using in the workshop it works 
> > well, but with others it might freeze after a few minutes, or not quite 
> > complete the boot sequence. We tested the 32-bit and 64-bit and several 
> > types of USB drive, reinstalled the USB drives and confirmed that there is 
> > a lot of hardware dependency. The only computer I have that it works on 
> > every time and never freezes is a small ASUS EEE PC network 6 years old. 
> > 
> > Likewise, when installing SOAS with Linux Live USB Creator it installs 
> > VirtualBox as an option, allowing one to launch SOAS from within Windows. 
> > But we found sometimes the boot sequence works fine and other times 
> > (especially when trying to demonstrate to a group) it would not start the 
> > Live boot sequence but go into Grub instead. So not very reliable way to do 
> > that either.
> > 
> > Hope this feedback is useful,
> > 
> > David Leeming
> > Solomon Islands 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Peter Robinson [mailto:pbrobin...@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, 8 September 2015 8:04 p.m.
> > To: David Leeming
> > Cc: Development of live Sugar distributions; Sugar-dev Devel; Iain Brown 
> > Douglas
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS
> > 
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > Sorry, this seem to have fallen through the cracks.
> > 
> > > Iain referred me to a Fedora community where LinuxliveUSB installer was 
> > > recommended and it works just fine. It also installs a Linux emulator for 
> > > Windows Virtualbox and I found I could run SOAS beautifully in that way. 
> > > That is very convenient for my purposes (a quick lead in to Sugar). I 
> > > also found few problems booting USB sticks and SD cards installed using 
> > > LinuxLiveUSB, on one machine it seems to hang but others it is fine. So 
> > > it seems the installer was my issue.
> > 
> > I've never seen or heard of the above, I've also never used
> > VirtualBox, glad it works for you.
> > 
> > > Regarding collaboration, if we have a