Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
I hope this anwers your question, Simon Unfortunately it does not. What I wanted to know whether I will be able to use the latest Sugar on my XO-1 ever. It boots the kernel with 802 so it is a working Linux distribution. If somehow I copy the latest Sugar over the old Sugar (0.82 I think) will it work? If it does not work then will anybody port it? What I see is that OLPC has very few developers so probably this porting work will be out of question but will Sugar people make any effort or would it be just wasting their time where the XO-1.5 is almost finished? ps: If overwriting the old Sugar works on an XO-1 then an unzippable distribution what could be applied to 802 would be just fine... ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:42 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: [adding sugar-devel again to CC] On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 14:36, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 11:49 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:34, NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu wrote: cut Just copying files is unlikely to work. Regarding newer versions of Sugar working in the XO-1, I personally think it's very important and hope that others share this opinion I would love to see something an update kernel (OpenBSD) or mini-dist to roll out never version. and will contribute their time and skills to make it happen. Well I can help testing (or learn C, but that will take a while ;( ) Well, for this task (shipping an updated or new distro for the XO) there's little need for programming skills, it's mostly a matter of having someone who leads the effort and recruits people to help with the various tasks, give publicity to the effort, keep track of the open issues in the different bug trackers involved, help with packaging, do integration testing, etc. oke, from a side of a none developer, I would be good, a list of tasks to: - to do meself - point people to For me is hard to so see what is needed and to move to the right direction. Knowing a bit from linux it is best to avoid dist-wars. I 'll check the wiki and look/create for a task list. IHMO tasks shoud be: - do-able (beginning / end / clear steps) - supported by a person - avoiding flames/wars whatever negative energie - complexicity index. Am I correct (by kind of consensus) that a tasklist would help? That's why people are barking at the wrong tree when they say that Sugar developers should port Sugar to whatever system. The skills involved are very different from upstream work and if coders are not coding we won't have anything new to ship. If barking ever applies me to please let me know. My intention is to have usable contributions to our project. Kind regards, Marten Regards, Tomeu Marten Regards, Tomeu ps: If overwriting the old Sugar works on an XO-1 then an unzippable distribution what could be applied to 802 would be just fine... ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 16:25, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 15:42 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: [adding sugar-devel again to CC] On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 14:36, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 11:49 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:34, NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu wrote: cut Just copying files is unlikely to work. Regarding newer versions of Sugar working in the XO-1, I personally think it's very important and hope that others share this opinion I would love to see something an update kernel (OpenBSD) or mini-dist to roll out never version. and will contribute their time and skills to make it happen. Well I can help testing (or learn C, but that will take a while ;( ) Well, for this task (shipping an updated or new distro for the XO) there's little need for programming skills, it's mostly a matter of having someone who leads the effort and recruits people to help with the various tasks, give publicity to the effort, keep track of the open issues in the different bug trackers involved, help with packaging, do integration testing, etc. oke, from a side of a none developer, I would be good, a list of tasks to: - to do meself - point people to Cool! I think that this is done better in a per team basis, so that people can have a closer contact with a subset of the community that better fits their experience and interests. You are already pretty much involved in the marketing team, but there are others in case you want to do something different. Each team has a getting involved page, a roadmap and a todo list in the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Getting_Involved http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/TODO http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Roadmap For me is hard to so see what is needed and to move to the right direction. Knowing a bit from linux it is best to avoid dist-wars. Agreed, it helps having a personal goal related to Sugar, then it's a matter of seeing which other people are working closer to that goal and finding common tasks. I 'll check the wiki and look/create for a task list. IHMO tasks shoud be: - do-able (beginning / end / clear steps) - supported by a person - avoiding flames/wars whatever negative energie - complexicity index. Am I correct (by kind of consensus) that a tasklist would help? I think we have consensus on this, only that is quite a bit of work to maintain all those lists. But is something we'll get better slowly. That's why people are barking at the wrong tree when they say that Sugar developers should port Sugar to whatever system. The skills involved are very different from upstream work and if coders are not coding we won't have anything new to ship. If barking ever applies me to please let me know. My intention is to have usable contributions to our project. I was referring to some people that tried to put more pressure on Sugar Labs by saying that we had abandoned the OLPC platform. It's hard, but IMO a big part of our work is making people understand that this is an open project and that everyone has the capacity to contribute, so instead of complaining people should be able to get their hards dirty and do their bit. Regards, Tomeu Kind regards, Marten Regards, Tomeu Marten Regards, Tomeu ps: If overwriting the old Sugar works on an XO-1 then an unzippable distribution what could be applied to 802 would be just fine... ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
[...] That's why people are barking at the wrong tree when they say that Sugar developers should port Sugar to whatever system. The skills involved are very different from upstream work and if coders are not coding we won't have anything new to ship. If barking ever applies me to please let me know. My intention is to have usable contributions to our project. I was referring to some people that tried to put more pressure on Sugar Labs by saying that we had abandoned the OLPC platform. It's hard, but IMO a big part of our work is making people understand that this is an open project and that everyone has the capacity to contribute, so instead of complaining people should be able to get their hards dirty and do their bit. Regards, Tomeu I want to highlight Tomeu's words. There is no them or they! In general - people should ask themselves what they can contribute to Sugar Labs - not the other way around. And many people are doing that already in various ways. Please keep on that path. Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
On 05/25/2009 11:51 AM, Walter Bender wrote: Tomeu was quicker in his response than me... As Simon said, the current plan for *both* the XO-1 and the XO-1.5 in regard to Sugar support is to build upon the work that OLPC and the Fedora communities are doing towards getting a stock Fedora distribution running on the hardware. Sugar would be packaged on top of that. The current expectation is that this would happen in the F12 time frame, coincident with the planned Sugar 0.86 release. As far as porting Sugar 0.84 natively to the XO-1 hardware, this would require a fair amount of work--beyond simply copying the Sugar files. I am unaware of anyone working on that port. An interim solution is to run Sugar on a Stick. Alternatively, DSD and the Paraguay team have done a nice job of repackaging OLPC's 802 build to include some of the improvements from Sugar 0.84. regards. -walter As Tomeu and Walter said - copying 0.84 over 0.82 won't work. There are some dependencies (xulrunner/hulahop, abiword, evince...) - and of course - the kernel - the hardware support for the XO. There are efforts from Chris Ball and the Fedora-Olpc working group (fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com). Please refer to their work to know the current status. Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 08:51:22PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 05/22/2009 05:31 PM, James Simmons wrote: I didn't see Aleksey's espeak gstreamer plugin included in the roadmap. This is needed for text to speech with highlighting support for Read Etexts, and is being included in SoaS now. I'm looking forward to having a version of Sugar I can install on my XO where this is included. James Simmons This might be upstream work - non Sugar platforms can profit from that work as well I guess. Aleksey can you comment - what the plan is here? Well, gst-espeak is now in SP-0.84 list[1](and will migrate to SP-0.86) it should mean that if maintainers of any GNU/Linux distribution want sugar(in wide sense i.e. core+honey) to be runnable they should provide SP meta package(or so). At present there are several distributions that satisfy SP: * Mandriva2009.1 * Caixa Magica 12 Magelan * ALTLinux Sisyphus * OpenSUSE X11::Sugar * Gentoo sugar overlay * SoaS Unfortunately I don't know who builds XO distribution and does it satisfy SP or not. [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Sugar_Platform/0.84 -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES (Thursday May 21 2009 - 14.00 (UTC))
Attendees: Tomeu, Aleksey, Walter, Sayamindu, Simon Retrospect: We have been brainstorming on the Goals of the 0.86 release. The Output can be seen at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86 Feel free to add items you feel important to the roadmap - have in mind that it is a short release cycle and therefore we have only a certain amount of things we can do. Prospect: Next week we will iter over the points and find owners for the them. The time to propose items ends the 5th of June after the developers meeting in two weeks. By then each feature item needs a concrete plan. Examples: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Library or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DeviceKit See you next week - a reminder will be send out. Regards, Simon PS: The schedule have been updated as well: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86#Schedule ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
I didn't see Aleksey's espeak gstreamer plugin included in the roadmap. This is needed for text to speech with highlighting support for Read Etexts, and is being included in SoaS now. I'm looking forward to having a version of Sugar I can install on my XO where this is included. James Simmons Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:49:01 +0200 From: Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de Subject: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES (Thursday May 21 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) To: Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 4a169f3d.3020...@schampijer.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Attendees: Tomeu, Aleksey, Walter, Sayamindu, Simon Retrospect: We have been brainstorming on the Goals of the 0.86 release. The Output can be seen at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86 Feel free to add items you feel important to the roadmap - have in mind that it is a short release cycle and therefore we have only a certain amount of things we can do. Prospect: Next week we will iter over the points and find owners for the them. The time to propose items ends the 5th of June after the developers meeting in two weeks. By then each feature item needs a concrete plan. Examples: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Library or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DeviceKit See you next week - a reminder will be send out. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
Are there any plans to port Sugar to the XO-1 or will it be the job of OLPC so it will be effectively abandoned? Simon Schampijer wrote: Attendees: Tomeu, Aleksey, Walter, Sayamindu, Simon Retrospect: We have been brainstorming on the Goals of the 0.86 release. The Output can be seen at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86 Feel free to add items you feel important to the roadmap - have in mind that it is a short release cycle and therefore we have only a certain amount of things we can do. Prospect: Next week we will iter over the points and find owners for the them. The time to propose items ends the 5th of June after the developers meeting in two weeks. By then each feature item needs a concrete plan. Examples: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Library or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DeviceKit See you next week - a reminder will be send out. Regards, Simon PS: The schedule have been updated as well: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86#Schedule ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
Hi Noise. There is and there will be (i presume), a collaboration between the two teams (OLPC and Sugarlabs), to port sugar to the XO 1.5. but details on how this will be done are still missing. Rafael Ortiz On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM, NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu wrote: Are there any plans to port Sugar to the XO-1 or will it be the job of OLPC so it will be effectively abandoned? Simon Schampijer wrote: Attendees: Tomeu, Aleksey, Walter, Sayamindu, Simon Retrospect: We have been brainstorming on the Goals of the 0.86 release. The Output can be seen at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86 Feel free to add items you feel important to the roadmap - have in mind that it is a short release cycle and therefore we have only a certain amount of things we can do. Prospect: Next week we will iter over the points and find owners for the them. The time to propose items ends the 5th of June after the developers meeting in two weeks. By then each feature item needs a concrete plan. Examples: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Library or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DeviceKit See you next week - a reminder will be send out. Regards, Simon PS: The schedule have been updated as well: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86#Schedule ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu wrote: Are there any plans to port Sugar to the XO-1 or will it be the job of OLPC so it will be effectively abandoned? Sugar sits on top of standard linux distributions. The challenge in this instance is on the shoulders of the hardware vendor to push the necessary patches, or maintain the fork, necessary to take advantage of specialized hardware. david Simon Schampijer wrote: Attendees: Tomeu, Aleksey, Walter, Sayamindu, Simon Retrospect: We have been brainstorming on the Goals of the 0.86 release. The Output can be seen at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86 Feel free to add items you feel important to the roadmap - have in mind that it is a short release cycle and therefore we have only a certain amount of things we can do. Prospect: Next week we will iter over the points and find owners for the them. The time to propose items ends the 5th of June after the developers meeting in two weeks. By then each feature item needs a concrete plan. Examples: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Library or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DeviceKit See you next week - a reminder will be send out. Regards, Simon PS: The schedule have been updated as well: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86#Schedule ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
On 05/22/2009 07:06 PM, David Farning wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, NoiseEHCnoise...@freemail.hu wrote: Are there any plans to port Sugar to the XO-1 or will it be the job of OLPC so it will be effectively abandoned? Sugar sits on top of standard linux distributions. The challenge in this instance is on the shoulders of the hardware vendor to push the necessary patches, or maintain the fork, necessary to take advantage of specialized hardware. david Right, Sugar will work on Fedora - and the plan of OLPC is to use Fedora 12 in the future and get all the diffs (like Kernel) into Fedora mainline. The only job of Sugar itself in order to run on the XO are to keep the memory and cpu consumption low. I hope this anwers your question, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
On 05/22/2009 05:31 PM, James Simmons wrote: I didn't see Aleksey's espeak gstreamer plugin included in the roadmap. This is needed for text to speech with highlighting support for Read Etexts, and is being included in SoaS now. I'm looking forward to having a version of Sugar I can install on my XO where this is included. James Simmons This might be upstream work - non Sugar platforms can profit from that work as well I guess. Aleksey can you comment - what the plan is here? Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES
NoiseEHC wrote: Are there any plans to port Sugar to the XO-1 or will it be the job of OLPC so it will be effectively abandoned? Do you mean the XO-1 or XO-1.5, specifically? Also, I hope you are aware of http://blog.printf.net/articles/2009/05/16/the-olpc-xo-1-5-and-fedora-11 which states that OLPC intends to ship Sugar 0.84. --Ben signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
