Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
On 17.12.2011, at 11:39, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 00:11 -0500, Samuel Klein wrote: I understand why Scratch isn't hosted on aslo at present, but it would be nice if it were hosted in a fashion that supported discovery of and review/discussion of it. Scratch is Sugar's most popular programming activity, after all... A few months ago it sounded like the Media Lab was going to correct the binary license of Scratch. Has anyone heard back from them? Cc'ing Mako and Claudia who might know the right person to ask. https://lists.launchpad.net/scratch/msg00301.html - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
On Sat, 2011-12-17 at 00:11 -0500, Samuel Klein wrote: I understand why Scratch isn't hosted on aslo at present, but it would be nice if it were hosted in a fashion that supported discovery of and review/discussion of it. Scratch is Sugar's most popular programming activity, after all... A few months ago it sounded like the Media Lab was going to correct the binary license of Scratch. Has anyone heard back from them? Cc'ing Mako and Claudia who might know the right person to ask. -- Bernie Innocenti Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Infrastructure_Team ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
I understand why Scratch isn't hosted on aslo at present, but it would be nice if it were hosted in a fashion that supported discovery of and review/discussion of it. Scratch is Sugar's most popular programming activity, after all... On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote: ** http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Soas_V4/ASLOxo_Activity_Test_Table#Activity_Test_Results This is a table matrix on the wiki in a sortable and editable form. It is also unmaintained since Nov 2010...: ( +1 for better organization of things that take dedicated, periodic investments of time. But simply allowing people to build a catalog of all activities that have ever been useful to anyone takes minimal effort (mainly, a one-time simplification of the current submission process). SJ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
Actually if the license permits it, there isnt a necessity to await confirmation by original author, although it would be nice to ask, IMHO El 14/12/11 19:46, Rafael Ortiz escribió: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com mailto:alan...@hotmail.com wrote: It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity Ok. The importants are in ASLO.. maybe there are some that not.. I could test some and upload them. But corresponds me to do that? I do not want to override the original developers .. it's necessary to ask first the original devs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
But I don't think is a good idea add a activity without a maintainer. Gonzalo On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.orgwrote: Actually if the license permits it, there isnt a necessity to await confirmation by original author, although it would be nice to ask, IMHO El 14/12/11 19:46, Rafael Ortiz escribió: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity Ok. The importants are in ASLO.. maybe there are some that not.. I could test some and upload them. But corresponds me to do that? I do not want to override the original developers .. it's necessary to ask first the original devs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing listSugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.orghttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:44, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: But I don't think is a good idea add a activity without a maintainer. +1 Activities without maintainers seem like a spiral to the bottom of the quality bucket - I'd personally not want to recommend the ASLO site to a teacher if we were knowingly promoting and uploading unmaintained activities. As an Open Source license (required by ASLO) allows anyone to potentially pick up maintenance, perhaps ASLO could be tweaked to hide all activities without a confirmed, named, maintainer by default? --Gary Gonzalo On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org wrote: Actually if the license permits it, there isnt a necessity to await confirmation by original author, although it would be nice to ask, IMHO El 14/12/11 19:46, Rafael Ortiz escribió: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity Ok. The importants are in ASLO.. maybe there are some that not.. I could test some and upload them. But corresponds me to do that? I do not want to override the original developers .. it's necessary to ask first the original devs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
I would find ASLO more useful if it had a Search all feature that allowed people to find * unmaintained or dormantly-maintained but working activities * activities that can be freely distributed but are not [confirmed to be] under a free-software license * links to activities that are freely available online (somewhere) but may not be freely distributable (from an aslo server) Excluding or obfuscating popular activities only makes ASLO a less handy service. At any rate, at the point where the ASLO software says to an uploader that file already exists in our databsae it should be able to show that person the metadata related to the file: who has uploaded it, why it is not visible, c. SJ On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:44, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: But I don't think is a good idea add a activity without a maintainer. +1 Activities without maintainers seem like a spiral to the bottom of the quality bucket - I'd personally not want to recommend the ASLO site to a teacher if we were knowingly promoting and uploading unmaintained activities. As an Open Source license (required by ASLO) allows anyone to potentially pick up maintenance, perhaps ASLO could be tweaked to hide all activities without a confirmed, named, maintainer by default? --Gary Gonzalo On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org wrote: Actually if the license permits it, there isnt a necessity to await confirmation by original author, although it would be nice to ask, IMHO El 14/12/11 19:46, Rafael Ortiz escribió: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity Ok. The importants are in ASLO.. maybe there are some that not.. I could test some and upload them. But corresponds me to do that? I do not want to override the original developers .. it's necessary to ask first the original devs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing listSugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.orghttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
I would find ASLO more useful if it had a Search all feature that allowed people to find * unmaintained or dormantly-maintained but working activities * activities that can be freely distributed but are not [confirmed to be] under a free-software license * links to activities that are freely available online (somewhere) but may not be freely distributable (from an aslo server) Excluding or obfuscating popular activities only makes ASLO a less handy service. At any rate, at the point where the ASLO software says to an uploader that file already exists in our databsae it should be able to show that person the metadata related to the file: who has uploaded it, why it is not visible, c. Yes.. it can be more useful.. +1 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
On 15 Dec 2011, at 21:55, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote: * unmaintained or dormantly-maintained but working activities This one is quite a tough one, activities are distributed across a seemingly grey continuum, from non-responding authors, to authors who release in time with the Sugar release schedules. The term 'working' also needs careful definition given the wide variety of distros and hardware that Sugar can be run under (testing platform usually at the discretion of the maintainer). This alone would be quite a large matrix. With an Activity Team hat on, we should focus on polishing and maintaining the core of the known quality learning activities, to act as leading lights, and encouraging other developers to follow where there time allows. The whole 'let a thousand flowers bloom' metaphor unfortunately leads to the vast majority being left to compost. --Gary * activities that can be freely distributed but are not [confirmed to be] under a free-software license * links to activities that are freely available online (somewhere) but may not be freely distributable (from an aslo server) Excluding or obfuscating popular activities only makes ASLO a less handy service. At any rate, at the point where the ASLO software says to an uploader that file already exists in our databsae it should be able to show that person the metadata related to the file: who has uploaded it, why it is not visible, c. SJ On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:44, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: But I don't think is a good idea add a activity without a maintainer. +1 Activities without maintainers seem like a spiral to the bottom of the quality bucket - I'd personally not want to recommend the ASLO site to a teacher if we were knowingly promoting and uploading unmaintained activities. As an Open Source license (required by ASLO) allows anyone to potentially pick up maintenance, perhaps ASLO could be tweaked to hide all activities without a confirmed, named, maintainer by default? --Gary Gonzalo On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org wrote: Actually if the license permits it, there isnt a necessity to await confirmation by original author, although it would be nice to ask, IMHO El 14/12/11 19:46, Rafael Ortiz escribió: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity Ok. The importants are in ASLO.. maybe there are some that not.. I could test some and upload them. But corresponds me to do that? I do not want to override the original developers .. it's necessary to ask first the original devs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
I tried to do this in : http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Soas_V4/ASLOxo_Activity_Test_Table#Activity_Test_Results The criteria are listed at the top of the page. This is a table matrix on the wiki in a sortable and editable form. It is also unmaintained since Nov 2010...: ( Thus newer activities and sugar versions are missing. It would be nice if we could organize volunteers to do testing of activities, and report them in this manner. Tom Gilliard satellit_ on #sugar IRC On 12/15/2011 03:49 PM, Gary Martin wrote: On 15 Dec 2011, at 21:55, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org mailto:s...@laptop.org wrote: * unmaintained or dormantly-maintained but working activities This one is quite a tough one, activities are distributed across a seemingly grey continuum, from non-responding authors, to authors who release in time with the Sugar release schedules. The term 'working' also needs careful definition given the wide variety of distros and hardware that Sugar can be run under (testing platform usually at the discretion of the maintainer). This alone would be quite a large matrix. With an Activity Team hat on, we should focus on polishing and maintaining the core of the known quality learning activities, to act as leading lights, and encouraging other developers to follow where there time allows. The whole 'let a thousand flowers bloom' metaphor unfortunately leads to the vast majority being left to compost. --Gary * activities that can be freely distributed but are not [confirmed to be] under a free-software license * links to activities that are freely available online (somewhere) but may not be freely distributable (from an aslo server) Excluding or obfuscating popular activities only makes ASLO a less handy service. At any rate, at the point where the ASLO software says to an uploader that file already exists in our databsae it should be able to show that person the metadata related to the file: who has uploaded it, why it is not visible, c. SJ On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com mailto:garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:44, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org mailto:gonz...@laptop.org wrote: But I don't think is a good idea add a activity without a maintainer. +1 Activities without maintainers seem like a spiral to the bottom of the quality bucket - I'd personally not want to recommend the ASLO site to a teacher if we were knowingly promoting and uploading unmaintained activities. As an Open Source license (required by ASLO) allows anyone to potentially pick up maintenance, perhaps ASLO could be tweaked to hide all activities without a confirmed, named, maintainer by default? --Gary Gonzalo On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Sebastian Silva sebast...@somosazucar.org mailto:sebast...@somosazucar.org wrote: Actually if the license permits it, there isnt a necessity to await confirmation by original author, although it would be nice to ask, IMHO El 14/12/11 19:46, Rafael Ortiz escribió: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com mailto:alan...@hotmail.com wrote: It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity Ok. The importants are in ASLO.. maybe there are some that not.. I could test some and upload them. But corresponds me to do that? I do not want to override the original developers .. it's necessary to ask first the original devs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
El 15/12/11 18:24, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn escribió: I would find ASLO more useful if it had a Search all feature that allowed people to find * unmaintained or dormantly-maintained but working activities * activities that can be freely distributed but are not [confirmed to be] under a free-software license * links to activities that are freely available online (somewhere) but may not be freely distributable (from an aslo server) Excluding or obfuscating popular activities only makes ASLO a less handy service. At any rate, at the point where the ASLO software says to an uploader that file already exists in our databsae it should be able to show that person the metadata related to the file: who has uploaded it, why it is not visible, c. Yes.. it can be more useful.. +1 +1 Here's the ASLO development information: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Scratch there are in: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4249 But was removed: http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/4249/ Was removed for a discussion about his License.. There are some activities that not are in ASLO.. For example, all the activities that was in: http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Activities/All/lang-esoldid=262569 That activities, can be uploaded to ASLO? Some not have now a maintener.. but some works.. It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity Regards! Alan -- Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:04:34 -0500 From: meta...@gmail.com To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [Sugar-devel] scratch on aslo Scratch doesn't seem to be on ASLO. On the other hand, when I sign in and try to upload it, I am told the file is already in the system. Can someone link me to it? It is ***really hard*** to find the link to upload an activity. Can this be added in a few more places? If you don't think to hover over nav elements I don't think there is any other way to discover it. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit It is unclear how to submit someone else's activity for inclusion. There are some popular activities not in aslo, particularly spanish-language ones (cf. xojuegos.com); this would be a nice feature, even if the resulting work gets an unverified copyright stamp. SJ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Scratch there are in: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4249 But was removed: http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/4249/ Was removed for a discussion about his License.. Yes. Then we have the last packaged activity here http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Scratch There are some activities that not are in ASLO.. For example, all the activities that was in: http://wiki.laptop.org/index.php?title=Activities/All/lang-esoldid=262569 That activities, can be uploaded to ASLO? Some not have now a maintener.. but some works.. Most of these activities are in aslo, and other are unmaintained and probably don't work. If you have any good activity outside of aslo, should contact to the maintainer and request inclusion. Gonzalo Regards! Alan -- Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:04:34 -0500 From: meta...@gmail.com To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Subject: [Sugar-devel] scratch on aslo Scratch doesn't seem to be on ASLO. On the other hand, when I sign in and try to upload it, I am told the file is already in the system. Can someone link me to it? It is ***really hard*** to find the link to upload an activity. Can this be added in a few more places? If you don't think to hover over nav elements I don't think there is any other way to discover it. http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/developers/addon/submit It is unclear how to submit someone else's activity for inclusion. There are some popular activities not in aslo, particularly spanish-language ones (cf. xojuegos.com); this would be a nice feature, even if the resulting work gets an unverified copyright stamp. SJ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity Ok. The importants are in ASLO.. maybe there are some that not.. I could test some and upload them. But corresponds me to do that? I do not want to override the original developers ..___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] FW: scratch on aslo
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com wrote: It's ok uploading those to aslo, if they have OSI compliant Licences, pointing to original devs, also if they provide a good sugar experience. More info here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Guidelines_for_accepting_an_activity Ok. The importants are in ASLO.. maybe there are some that not.. I could test some and upload them. But corresponds me to do that? I do not want to override the original developers .. it's necessary to ask first the original devs. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
