Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:04, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> On 06/23/09 11:59, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>> On my F11, I don't even have the GConf-dbus package installed,
>>> yet the sugar-emulator starts regularly.
>>
>> You mean sugar-emulator out from jhbuild? That will be using the
>> system GConf (using Orbit).
>
> No, I meant sugar-emulator ran by "sugar-jhbuild run" or within
> "sugar-jhbuild shell".

Well, if you don't have GConf-dbus then it will be using the system,
Orbit one as well.

>> In jhbuild we need that so we can launch a second instance of the
>> gconf daemon in the jhbuild session bus.
>
> Interesting, so maybe installing the GConf-dbus package in Jaunty will
> work around those problems?

Would say so, is it packaged?

Regards,

Tomeu

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/23/09 11:59, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>> On my F11, I don't even have the GConf-dbus package installed,
>> yet the sugar-emulator starts regularly.
> 
> You mean sugar-emulator out from jhbuild? That will be using the
> system GConf (using Orbit).

No, I meant sugar-emulator ran by "sugar-jhbuild run" or within
"sugar-jhbuild shell".


> In jhbuild we need that so we can launch a second instance of the
> gconf daemon in the jhbuild session bus.

Interesting, so maybe installing the GConf-dbus package in Jaunty will
work around those problems?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:30, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> On 06/23/09 11:16, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>>> Bah, I'm defeated.  Why are we even using this GConf crap?  Simple ini
>>> files were too easy to work with?!? ;-/
>>
>> Wrong mailing list for volunteering for dropping GConf :p
>
> Heh :P
>
>
>> Is your jhbuild installing GConf-DBus?
>
> Hmmm no... is it required?
>
> On my F11, I don't even have the GConf-dbus package installed,
> yet the sugar-emulator starts regularly.

You mean sugar-emulator out from jhbuild? That will be using the
system GConf (using Orbit).

In jhbuild we need that so we can launch a second instance of the
gconf daemon in the jhbuild session bus.

Regards,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/23/09 11:16, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>> Bah, I'm defeated.  Why are we even using this GConf crap?  Simple ini
>> files were too easy to work with?!? ;-/
> 
> Wrong mailing list for volunteering for dropping GConf :p

Heh :P


> Is your jhbuild installing GConf-DBus?

Hmmm no... is it required?

On my F11, I don't even have the GConf-dbus package installed,
yet the sugar-emulator starts regularly.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:54:39AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
>Bah, I'm defeated.  Why are we even using this GConf crap?  Simple ini 
>files were too easy to work with?!? ;-/

Because you aim at getting absorbed by Gnome.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:54, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
> On 06/23/09 09:34, Edward Cherlin wrote:
>> I have been warned not to run sugar-jhbuild and Sugar packages on the
>> same system. I have not had sugar-jhbuild wreck my system, but I have
>> had a lot of issues with sugar-jhbuild working one day and not the
>> next when I make other changes to the system.
>
> We have found one such issues yesterday, while testing the streamlined branch 
> on Ubuntu Jaunty.
>
> My laptop usually boots off a Fedora 11 partition with the Sugar packages 
> installed, where the GConf schemas for Sugar are installed in 
> /etc/gconf/schemas/sugar.schemas.  When Sugar starts, it happily uses the 
> system GConf.
>
> When we did the same on Jaunty with _no_ system packages installed, the 
> schemas were missing and the Sugar shell would crash mysteriously due to a 
> bad default value for the favourites layout.
>
> I don't know how to add a locally installed schemas file without
> altering the system-wide database.  The following commands are
> for the system-wide case:
>
>  export GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=`gconftool-2 --get-default-source`
>  gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule install/etc/gconf/schemas/sugar.schemas
>
> If I change the path to point into the jhbuild install root,
> I get these obscure errors:
>
> -cut-
> $ export 
> GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=/home/bernie/src/sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults
> $ gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule install/etc/gconf/schemas/sugar.schemas
>
> (gconftool-2:3489): GConf-WARNING **: Failed to load source 
> "/home/bernie/src/sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults": 
> Couldn't resolve address for configuration source: Bad address 
> `/home/bernie/src/sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults'
> **
> GConf:ERROR:gconftool.c:969:main: assertion failed: (err == NULL)
> Aborted
> -cut-
>
> Bah, I'm defeated.  Why are we even using this GConf crap?  Simple ini
> files were too easy to work with?!? ;-/

Wrong mailing list for volunteering for dropping GConf :p

Is your jhbuild installing GConf-DBus?

Regards,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/23/09 09:34, Edward Cherlin wrote:
> I have been warned not to run sugar-jhbuild and Sugar packages on the
> same system. I have not had sugar-jhbuild wreck my system, but I have
> had a lot of issues with sugar-jhbuild working one day and not the
> next when I make other changes to the system.

We have found one such issues yesterday, while testing the streamlined branch 
on Ubuntu Jaunty.

My laptop usually boots off a Fedora 11 partition with the Sugar packages 
installed, where the GConf schemas for Sugar are installed in 
/etc/gconf/schemas/sugar.schemas.  When Sugar starts, it happily uses the 
system GConf.

When we did the same on Jaunty with _no_ system packages installed, the schemas 
were missing and the Sugar shell would crash mysteriously due to a bad default 
value for the favourites layout.

I don't know how to add a locally installed schemas file without
altering the system-wide database.  The following commands are
for the system-wide case:

  export GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=`gconftool-2 --get-default-source`
  gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule install/etc/gconf/schemas/sugar.schemas

If I change the path to point into the jhbuild install root,
I get these obscure errors:

-cut-
$ export 
GCONF_CONFIG_SOURCE=/home/bernie/src/sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults
$ gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule install/etc/gconf/schemas/sugar.schemas 

(gconftool-2:3489): GConf-WARNING **: Failed to load source 
"/home/bernie/src/sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults": 
Couldn't resolve address for configuration source: Bad address 
`/home/bernie/src/sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults'
**
GConf:ERROR:gconftool.c:969:main: assertion failed: (err == NULL)
Aborted
-cut-

Bah, I'm defeated.  Why are we even using this GConf crap?  Simple ini
files were too easy to work with?!? ;-/

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Sascha
Silbe wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18:23AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:
>
>>> As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different from
>>> those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex
>>> web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.
>>
>> After the problems I have had before, I agree. Now I would only do
>> such a thing in virtualization.
>
> I certainly agree that a sugar-jhbuild installation will hit a lot of
> upstream bugs and thus can be quite hard (or sometimes even impossible) to
> work with.
> But being afraid of it damaging the rest of the system is something quite
> different. If you have any particular reason for not trusting sugar-jhbuild,
> I'd very much like to know so I can fix it.

I have been warned not to run sugar-jhbuild and Sugar packages on the
same system. I have not had sugar-jhbuild wreck my system, but I have
had a lot of issues with sugar-jhbuild working one day and not the
next when I make other changes to the system.

> CU Sascha
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 01:09:38PM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote:
>On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> A test run inside a chroot'ed COW (copy-on-write) Debian Sid 
>> environment with only core development tools installed + git-core and 
>> python2.5, "sugar-jhbuild update" failes with the following message:
>>
>> *** Checking out matchbox-window-manager *** [20/45]
>> *** Error during phase force_checkout of matchbox-window-manager: svn not 
>> found *** [20/45]
>>
>>
>> I suspect there is no point testing in Squeeze or Lenny, as I imagine 
>> it would fail at same point (and would in *any* environment, even on 
>> Fedora).
>
>it sounds like you should be able to add subversion to your aptitude 
>line, run from inside the chroot:
>aptitude -y install adduser git-core python wget subversion

Ohhh, silly me - so obvious now that you point it out :-P


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-22 Thread Bobby Powers
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 04:48:39PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
>>On 06/18/09 20:02, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
 If you're running a *recent* distro other than Fedora or Ubuntu,
 please check out this repository, build, and report back:
>>>
>>> As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different
>>> from those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex
>>> web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.
>>>
>>> I run packaged software.  Risky too, but cutting the wildest edges, I
>>> believe.
>>
>>Could you run jhbuild with a different uid, in a chroot environment, or
>>even in a virtual machine?
>
> Ah, now that you have lured me out of my cave, I guess I have no excuse
> left :-)
>
>
> A test run inside a chroot'ed COW (copy-on-write) Debian Sid environment
> with only core development tools installed + git-core and python2.5,
> "sugar-jhbuild update" failes with the following message:
>
> *** Checking out matchbox-window-manager *** [20/45]
> *** Error during phase force_checkout of matchbox-window-manager: svn not 
> found *** [20/45]
>
>
> I suspect there is no point testing in Squeeze or Lenny, as I imagine it
> would fail at same point (and would in *any* environment, even on
> Fedora).

it sounds like you should be able to add subversion to your aptitude
line, run from inside the chroot:
aptitude -y install adduser git-core python wget subversion

yours,
bobby

>
> Kind regards,
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 07:41:52PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18:23AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:
>
>>> As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different 
>>> from those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex 
>>> web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.
>> After the problems I have had before, I agree. Now I would only do 
>> such a thing in virtualization.
> I certainly agree that a sugar-jhbuild installation will hit a lot of 
> upstream bugs and thus can be quite hard (or sometimes even 
> impossible) to work with.
> But being afraid of it damaging the rest of the system is something 
> quite different. If you have any particular reason for not trusting 
> sugar-jhbuild, I'd very much like to know so I can fix it.

It is not sugar-jhbuild specifically.  It is the concept of running 
large pieces of unknown code.

If a lot of people allready runs exact same code, the risk of it 
exploding in my face is smaller.

sugar-jhbuild is just the top of the iceberg: it pulls a lot of external 
sources and invokes their commands.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-21 Thread Sascha Silbe

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:18:23AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:

As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different 
from

those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex
web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.

After the problems I have had before, I agree. Now I would only do
such a thing in virtualization.
I certainly agree that a sugar-jhbuild installation will hit a lot of 
upstream bugs and thus can be quite hard (or sometimes even impossible) 
to work with.
But being afraid of it damaging the rest of the system is something 
quite different. If you have any particular reason for not trusting 
sugar-jhbuild, I'd very much like to know so I can fix it.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-19 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> Hi Bernie and others,
>
> [commenting since I was adressed personally]
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 06:46:25PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
>>we'd like to get the streamlined branch merged, but there's doubt that
>>many distributions we don't test frequently with would break randomly
>>due to older package versions or missing patches.
>>
>>If you're running a *recent* distro other than Fedora or Ubuntu, please
>>check out this repository, build, and report back:
>
> As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different from
> those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex
> web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.

After the problems I have had before, I agree. Now I would only do
such a thing in virtualization. If I weren't so far behind on other
things, I would test sugar-jhbuild in Caixa Mágica Linux or Debian in
VirtualBox OSE.

> I run packaged software.  Risky too, but cutting the wildest edges, I
> believe.
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-19 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 04:48:39PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
>On 06/18/09 20:02, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>> If you're running a *recent* distro other than Fedora or Ubuntu, 
>>> please check out this repository, build, and report back:
>> 
>> As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different 
>> from those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex 
>> web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.
>> 
>> I run packaged software.  Risky too, but cutting the wildest edges, I 
>> believe.
>
>Could you run jhbuild with a different uid, in a chroot environment, or 
>even in a virtual machine?

The following - executed as root - should work fully automated in any 
Debian-based distribution (yes, that includes Ubuntu):


#!/bin/sh
set -e
set -x
#aptitude install cdebootstrap
cdebootstrap --flavour minimal sid tmproot
chroot tmproot
apt-get update
apt-get -y install aptitude
aptitude -y install adduser git-core python wget
adduser --disabled-password --gecos "Jonas Smedegaard" jonas
su - jonas
git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-jhbuild/mainline sugar-jhbuild
cd sugar-jhbuild
./sugar-jhbuild update
./sugar-jhbuild depscheck
./sugar-jhbuild build


In reality, my environments are slightly different: I use the "build" 
flavour, and approx and cowdancer packages to speed some things up.  But 
I double-checked just now that above works (until the first 
sugar-jhbuild command, that is).

Inside such chroot you have a very VERY barebones system.  No X11, and 
no access to system devices.

Good luck!


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-19 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 04:48:39PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
>On 06/18/09 20:02, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>> If you're running a *recent* distro other than Fedora or Ubuntu, 
>>> please check out this repository, build, and report back:
>> 
>> As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different 
>> from those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex 
>> web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.
>> 
>> I run packaged software.  Risky too, but cutting the wildest edges, I 
>> believe.
>
>Could you run jhbuild with a different uid, in a chroot environment, or 
>even in a virtual machine?

Ah, now that you have lured me out of my cave, I guess I have no excuse 
left :-)


A test run inside a chroot'ed COW (copy-on-write) Debian Sid environment 
with only core development tools installed + git-core and python2.5, 
"sugar-jhbuild update" failes with the following message:

*** Checking out matchbox-window-manager *** [20/45]
*** Error during phase force_checkout of matchbox-window-manager: svn not found 
*** [20/45]


I suspect there is no point testing in Squeeze or Lenny, as I imagine it 
would fail at same point (and would in *any* environment, even on 
Fedora).


Kind regards,

  - Jonas

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-19 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/18/09 20:02, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> If you're running a *recent* distro other than Fedora or Ubuntu, please 
>> check out this repository, build, and report back:
> 
> As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different from 
> those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex 
> web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.
> 
> I run packaged software.  Risky too, but cutting the wildest edges, I 
> believe.

Could you run jhbuild with a different uid, in a chroot environment, or
even in a virtual machine?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-18 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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Hi Bernie and others,

[commenting since I was adressed personally]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 06:46:25PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
>we'd like to get the streamlined branch merged, but there's doubt that 
>many distributions we don't test frequently with would break randomly 
>due to older package versions or missing patches.
>
>If you're running a *recent* distro other than Fedora or Ubuntu, please 
>check out this repository, build, and report back:

As you probably all know, I do run a certain distribution different from 
those emphasized above.  I do not, however, trust a complex 
web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.

I run packaged software.  Risky too, but cutting the wildest edges, I 
believe.


  - Jonas

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