Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ
In the amitran format the type is specified in the value. See the updated documentation at https://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices#The_Amitran_format Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 11:44 Uhr schrieb : > Thank you for these Files Jakob, > > > > but one question against please. > > I don’t see anywhere in the different option of amitran file, the option > for setting the different vehicle type … I don’t know if I miss something… > > Because it seem that is possible to define different type of vehicle in > the same file by using amitran. > > > > Thanks > > > > Br > > > > Christian > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Auftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 11:31 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > use https://sumo.dlr.de/xsd/amitran/od.xsd > > example: > https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/blob/master/tests/od2trips/import/amitran/100vehs_day_uniform/input_od.xml > > > > regards, > > Jakob > > > > Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 11:22 Uhr schrieb : > > Thank you very much Jakob, > > I got the point > > Do we have some more detailed information or maybe example about amitran > format ? > > Unfortunately I don’t have access to this link : > http://www.sumo.dlr.de/xsd/amitran/od.xsd#tabs-1. This link is intern > forbidden…. > > Do i have some other possibility to get more about amitran File ? > > > > Br > > Christian > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Auftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:48 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > Lets say you have two types with the following matrices > > > > car: truck > > A B 100A B 10 > > A A 200A A 20 > > B A 150B A 15 > > B B 50 B B 5 > > > > If truck is always 10% of car (no correlation between pairs and fleet) > then you can define your matrix as > > > > fleet > > A B 110 > > A A 220 > > B A 165 > > B B 55 > > > > For od2trips the type is just a string value and no definition for the > type is needed. > > When using this with sumo or duarouter you can define a vehicle type > distribution like this (probabilities are normalized automatically): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if you need to refine the fleet further you can use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:35 Uhr schrieb : > > > > Yes but , > > What do you mean with “no correlation between OD-relation and type” ? I > don’t really get this point. > > The OD Matrix is defined for a specific vehicle type. So if that mean a > correlation, then I have some correlation between the both. > > Furthermore i think for every vehicle type, one have to generate a new > distribution. If i have as example 3 different type of vehicle I would have > 3 vehicle type distribution. So the next step what is not really > understandable for me, is to know how OD2TRIP would know the information > about this additional file (vTypeDistribution)? Because in od2trip there is > no option “—additional-file”. In this case I have to define as well for > every type a new OD matrix. > > > > Br > > christian > > > > > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Au**ftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:19 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > - Only the amitran format allows multiple vehicle types in the same input > file. > > - If there is no correlation between OD-relation and type, then you could > use a vehicle type distribution and avoid splitting the matrix by type. > > - You will always need at least two calls to generate vehicles and persons > because you need to set the option --pedestrians or -persontrips to get > persons. > > > > Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:09 Uhr schrieb : > > Hello Jakob, > > > > thank you for the hint. > > > > That mean if I’m not using Amitran-format. > > I have to define for in a step for 1 hour a new O/D Matrix. Should I do > that for every object type (passenger car, bicycle , pedestrian …) in this > case I think is a lot of work to that. Do we have somehow the possibility > to define in
Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ
Thank you for these Files Jakob, but one question against please. I don’t see anywhere in the different option of amitran file, the option for setting the different vehicle type … I don’t know if I miss something… Because it seem that is possible to define different type of vehicle in the same file by using amitran. Thanks Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 11:31 An: Sumo project User discussions Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ use https://sumo.dlr.de/xsd/amitran/od.xsd example: https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/blob/master/tests/od2trips/import/amitran/100vehs_day_uniform/input_od.xml regards, Jakob Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 11:22 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Thank you very much Jakob, I got the point Do we have some more detailed information or maybe example about amitran format ? Unfortunately I don’t have access to this link : http://www.sumo.dlr.de/xsd/amitran/od.xsd#tabs-1. This link is intern forbidden…. Do i have some other possibility to get more about amitran File ? Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org> mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org>> Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:48 An: Sumo project User discussions mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ Lets say you have two types with the following matrices car: truck A B 100A B 10 A A 200A A 20 B A 150B A 15 B B 50 B B 5 If truck is always 10% of car (no correlation between pairs and fleet) then you can define your matrix as fleet A B 110 A A 220 B A 165 B B 55 For od2trips the type is just a string value and no definition for the type is needed. When using this with sumo or duarouter you can define a vehicle type distribution like this (probabilities are normalized automatically): or if you need to refine the fleet further you can use Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:35 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Yes but , What do you mean with “no correlation between OD-relation and type” ? I don’t really get this point. The OD Matrix is defined for a specific vehicle type. So if that mean a correlation, then I have some correlation between the both. Furthermore i think for every vehicle type, one have to generate a new distribution. If i have as example 3 different type of vehicle I would have 3 vehicle type distribution. So the next step what is not really understandable for me, is to know how OD2TRIP would know the information about this additional file (vTypeDistribution)? Because in od2trip there is no option “—additional-file”. In this case I have to define as well for every type a new OD matrix. Br christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org> mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org>> Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:19 An: Sumo project User discussions mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ - Only the amitran format allows multiple vehicle types in the same input file. - If there is no correlation between OD-relation and type, then you could use a vehicle type distribution and avoid splitting the matrix by type. - You will always need at least two calls to generate vehicles and persons because you need to set the option --pedestrians or -persontrips to get persons. Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:09 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Hello Jakob, thank you for the hint. That mean if I’m not using Amitran-format. I have to define for in a step for 1 hour a new O/D Matrix. Should I do that for every object type (passenger car, bicycle , pedestrian …) in this case I think is a lot of work to that. Do we have somehow the possibility to define in the same O/D Matric different object type ? Thank you against Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org> mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org>> Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 07:59 An: Sumo project User discussions mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ Alternatively, you could use the Amitran-format https://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices#The_Amitran_format which allows modelling multple time slices and vehicle types in a single input file (in this case od2trips only needs to be run once). Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Jakob Erdmann mailto:namdre.s...@gmail.com>>: If you wish to model demand time lines that vary among the OD-pairs, you will have split your matrix along the time axis (one matrix from 0-1 o'clock, one m
Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ
use https://sumo.dlr.de/xsd/amitran/od.xsd example: https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/blob/master/tests/od2trips/import/amitran/100vehs_day_uniform/input_od.xml regards, Jakob Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 11:22 Uhr schrieb : > Thank you very much Jakob, > > I got the point > > Do we have some more detailed information or maybe example about amitran > format ? > > Unfortunately I don’t have access to this link : > http://www.sumo.dlr.de/xsd/amitran/od.xsd#tabs-1. This link is intern > forbidden…. > > Do i have some other possibility to get more about amitran File ? > > > > Br > > Christian > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Auftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:48 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > Lets say you have two types with the following matrices > > > > car: truck > > A B 100A B 10 > > A A 200A A 20 > > B A 150B A 15 > > B B 50 B B 5 > > > > If truck is always 10% of car (no correlation between pairs and fleet) > then you can define your matrix as > > > > fleet > > A B 110 > > A A 220 > > B A 165 > > B B 55 > > > > For od2trips the type is just a string value and no definition for the > type is needed. > > When using this with sumo or duarouter you can define a vehicle type > distribution like this (probabilities are normalized automatically): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or if you need to refine the fleet further you can use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:35 Uhr schrieb : > > > > Yes but , > > What do you mean with “no correlation between OD-relation and type” ? I > don’t really get this point. > > The OD Matrix is defined for a specific vehicle type. So if that mean a > correlation, then I have some correlation between the both. > > Furthermore i think for every vehicle type, one have to generate a new > distribution. If i have as example 3 different type of vehicle I would have > 3 vehicle type distribution. So the next step what is not really > understandable for me, is to know how OD2TRIP would know the information > about this additional file (vTypeDistribution)? Because in od2trip there is > no option “—additional-file”. In this case I have to define as well for > every type a new OD matrix. > > > > Br > > christian > > > > > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Au**ftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:19 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > - Only the amitran format allows multiple vehicle types in the same input > file. > > - If there is no correlation between OD-relation and type, then you could > use a vehicle type distribution and avoid splitting the matrix by type. > > - You will always need at least two calls to generate vehicles and persons > because you need to set the option --pedestrians or -persontrips to get > persons. > > > > Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:09 Uhr schrieb : > > Hello Jakob, > > > > thank you for the hint. > > > > That mean if I’m not using Amitran-format. > > I have to define for in a step for 1 hour a new O/D Matrix. Should I do > that for every object type (passenger car, bicycle , pedestrian …) in this > case I think is a lot of work to that. Do we have somehow the possibility > to define in the same O/D Matric different object type ? > > > > Thank you against > > > > Br > > > > Christian > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Auftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 07:59 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > Alternatively, you could use the Amitran-format > https://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices#The_Amitran_format > which allows modelling multple time slices and vehicle types in a single > input file (in this case od2trips only needs to be run once). > > > > Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Jakob Erdmann < > namdre.s...@gmail.com>: > > If you wish to model demand time lines that vary among the OD-pairs, you > will have split your matrix along the time axis > > (one matrix from 0-1 o'clock, one matrix from 1-2 o'clock etc..
Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ
Thank you very much Jakob, I got the point Do we have some more detailed information or maybe example about amitran format ? Unfortunately I don’t have access to this link : http://www.sumo.dlr.de/xsd/amitran/od.xsd#tabs-1. This link is intern forbidden…. Do i have some other possibility to get more about amitran File ? Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:48 An: Sumo project User discussions Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ Lets say you have two types with the following matrices car: truck A B 100A B 10 A A 200A A 20 B A 150B A 15 B B 50 B B 5 If truck is always 10% of car (no correlation between pairs and fleet) then you can define your matrix as fleet A B 110 A A 220 B A 165 B B 55 For od2trips the type is just a string value and no definition for the type is needed. When using this with sumo or duarouter you can define a vehicle type distribution like this (probabilities are normalized automatically): or if you need to refine the fleet further you can use Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:35 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Yes but , What do you mean with “no correlation between OD-relation and type” ? I don’t really get this point. The OD Matrix is defined for a specific vehicle type. So if that mean a correlation, then I have some correlation between the both. Furthermore i think for every vehicle type, one have to generate a new distribution. If i have as example 3 different type of vehicle I would have 3 vehicle type distribution. So the next step what is not really understandable for me, is to know how OD2TRIP would know the information about this additional file (vTypeDistribution)? Because in od2trip there is no option “—additional-file”. In this case I have to define as well for every type a new OD matrix. Br christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org> mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org>> Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:19 An: Sumo project User discussions mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ - Only the amitran format allows multiple vehicle types in the same input file. - If there is no correlation between OD-relation and type, then you could use a vehicle type distribution and avoid splitting the matrix by type. - You will always need at least two calls to generate vehicles and persons because you need to set the option --pedestrians or -persontrips to get persons. Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:09 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Hello Jakob, thank you for the hint. That mean if I’m not using Amitran-format. I have to define for in a step for 1 hour a new O/D Matrix. Should I do that for every object type (passenger car, bicycle , pedestrian …) in this case I think is a lot of work to that. Do we have somehow the possibility to define in the same O/D Matric different object type ? Thank you against Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org> mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org>> Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 07:59 An: Sumo project User discussions mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ Alternatively, you could use the Amitran-format https://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices#The_Amitran_format which allows modelling multple time slices and vehicle types in a single input file (in this case od2trips only needs to be run once). Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Jakob Erdmann mailto:namdre.s...@gmail.com>>: If you wish to model demand time lines that vary among the OD-pairs, you will have split your matrix along the time axis (one matrix from 0-1 o'clock, one matrix from 1-2 o'clock etc...). In this case, the documentation regarding timelines becomes irrelevant. You then have to run od2trips multiple times and load all the generated trip files into duarouter (or directly into sumo). regards, Jakob Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 15:27 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Thank you Jakob, i have another question relative to this point. In the picture down you can find an picture of a excel file [cid:image001.png@01D4D98E.FAC8E400] In this picture “+” is source and “-“ sink. As you can see there I have to for every edgeID a different timeline. My question is to know the O/D matrix have to know the corresponding timeline for specific edgeID. Also for me is at the moment not really clear how to define in the same timeline file, different timeline which correspond to different edgeID, and how we have to do the corresponding of this information in the O/D
Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ
Lets say you have two types with the following matrices car: truck A B 100A B 10 A A 200A A 20 B A 150B A 15 B B 50 B B 5 If truck is always 10% of car (no correlation between pairs and fleet) then you can define your matrix as fleet A B 110 A A 220 B A 165 B B 55 For od2trips the type is just a string value and no definition for the type is needed. When using this with sumo or duarouter you can define a vehicle type distribution like this (probabilities are normalized automatically): or if you need to refine the fleet further you can use Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:35 Uhr schrieb : > > > Yes but , > > What do you mean with “no correlation between OD-relation and type” ? I > don’t really get this point. > > The OD Matrix is defined for a specific vehicle type. So if that mean a > correlation, then I have some correlation between the both. > > Furthermore i think for every vehicle type, one have to generate a new > distribution. If i have as example 3 different type of vehicle I would have > 3 vehicle type distribution. So the next step what is not really > understandable for me, is to know how OD2TRIP would know the information > about this additional file (vTypeDistribution)? Because in od2trip there is > no option “—additional-file”. In this case I have to define as well for > every type a new OD matrix. > > > > Br > > christian > > > > > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Au**ftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:19 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > - Only the amitran format allows multiple vehicle types in the same input > file. > > - If there is no correlation between OD-relation and type, then you could > use a vehicle type distribution and avoid splitting the matrix by type. > > - You will always need at least two calls to generate vehicles and persons > because you need to set the option --pedestrians or -persontrips to get > persons. > > > > Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:09 Uhr schrieb : > > Hello Jakob, > > > > thank you for the hint. > > > > That mean if I’m not using Amitran-format. > > I have to define for in a step for 1 hour a new O/D Matrix. Should I do > that for every object type (passenger car, bicycle , pedestrian …) in this > case I think is a lot of work to that. Do we have somehow the possibility > to define in the same O/D Matric different object type ? > > > > Thank you against > > > > Br > > > > Christian > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Auftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 07:59 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > Alternatively, you could use the Amitran-format > https://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices#The_Amitran_format > which allows modelling multple time slices and vehicle types in a single > input file (in this case od2trips only needs to be run once). > > > > Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Jakob Erdmann < > namdre.s...@gmail.com>: > > If you wish to model demand time lines that vary among the OD-pairs, you > will have split your matrix along the time axis > > (one matrix from 0-1 o'clock, one matrix from 1-2 o'clock etc...). > > In this case, the documentation regarding timelines becomes irrelevant. > > You then have to run od2trips multiple times and load all the generated > trip files into duarouter (or directly into sumo). > > > > regards, > > Jakob > > > > Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 15:27 Uhr schrieb : > > Thank you Jakob, > > > > i have another question relative to this point. > > In the picture down you can find an picture of a excel file > > > > > > In this picture “+” is source and “-“ sink. > > As you can see there I have to for every edgeID a different timeline. > > My question is to know the O/D matrix have to know the corresponding > timeline for specific edgeID. > > Also for me is at the moment not really clear how to define in the same > timeline file, different timeline which correspond to different edgeID, and > how we have to do the corresponding of this information in the O/D matrix. > Because the Absolut number of vehicle for every edge have to be define in > this. So based of this value the percentage in the timeline can be > calculated. > > Is the some more explained example? > > I got some overview here : > https://su
Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ
Yes but , What do you mean with “no correlation between OD-relation and type” ? I don’t really get this point. The OD Matrix is defined for a specific vehicle type. So if that mean a correlation, then I have some correlation between the both. Furthermore i think for every vehicle type, one have to generate a new distribution. If i have as example 3 different type of vehicle I would have 3 vehicle type distribution. So the next step what is not really understandable for me, is to know how OD2TRIP would know the information about this additional file (vTypeDistribution)? Because in od2trip there is no option “—additional-file”. In this case I have to define as well for every type a new OD matrix. Br christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 10:19 An: Sumo project User discussions Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ - Only the amitran format allows multiple vehicle types in the same input file. - If there is no correlation between OD-relation and type, then you could use a vehicle type distribution and avoid splitting the matrix by type. - You will always need at least two calls to generate vehicles and persons because you need to set the option --pedestrians or -persontrips to get persons. Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:09 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Hello Jakob, thank you for the hint. That mean if I’m not using Amitran-format. I have to define for in a step for 1 hour a new O/D Matrix. Should I do that for every object type (passenger car, bicycle , pedestrian …) in this case I think is a lot of work to that. Do we have somehow the possibility to define in the same O/D Matric different object type ? Thank you against Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org> mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org>> Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 07:59 An: Sumo project User discussions mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ Alternatively, you could use the Amitran-format https://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices#The_Amitran_format which allows modelling multple time slices and vehicle types in a single input file (in this case od2trips only needs to be run once). Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Jakob Erdmann mailto:namdre.s...@gmail.com>>: If you wish to model demand time lines that vary among the OD-pairs, you will have split your matrix along the time axis (one matrix from 0-1 o'clock, one matrix from 1-2 o'clock etc...). In this case, the documentation regarding timelines becomes irrelevant. You then have to run od2trips multiple times and load all the generated trip files into duarouter (or directly into sumo). regards, Jakob Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 15:27 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Thank you Jakob, i have another question relative to this point. In the picture down you can find an picture of a excel file [cid:image001.png@01D4D988.3D317CA0] In this picture “+” is source and “-“ sink. As you can see there I have to for every edgeID a different timeline. My question is to know the O/D matrix have to know the corresponding timeline for specific edgeID. Also for me is at the moment not really clear how to define in the same timeline file, different timeline which correspond to different edgeID, and how we have to do the corresponding of this information in the O/D matrix. Because the Absolut number of vehicle for every edge have to be define in this. So based of this value the percentage in the timeline can be calculated. Is the some more explained example? I got some overview here : https://sumo.dlr.de/userdoc/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices.html#Daily_Time_Lines But this example is not more detail in the explanation. Because we cannot see how The file Name (TGw2_PKW.txt, etc. …) are define. Please could you give me more hint ? Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org> mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org>> Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Montag, 11. März 2019 14:13 An: Sumo project User discussions mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ You can use the same TAZ id for FROM and TO to describe traffic within that zone. Am Mo., 11. März 2019 um 13:53 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Hello Sumo users, i have a question relative to the description of TAZ File. Normally after describing an TAZ File we have to write the Matrix Cell. I am using the O-Format, which is given by the form: FROM | TO | NUMVEHICLES FROM and TO are both the TAZ id. We can also use Differentiated Probabilities to describe TAZ . So we can give in the same TAZ id many tazSource and Tazsink. My question now is to know, if I just have one TAZid which have t
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- Only the amitran format allows multiple vehicle types in the same input file. - If there is no correlation between OD-relation and type, then you could use a vehicle type distribution and avoid splitting the matrix by type. - You will always need at least two calls to generate vehicles and persons because you need to set the option --pedestrians or -persontrips to get persons. Am Mi., 13. März 2019 um 10:09 Uhr schrieb : > Hello Jakob, > > > > thank you for the hint. > > > > That mean if I’m not using Amitran-format. > > I have to define for in a step for 1 hour a new O/D Matrix. Should I do > that for every object type (passenger car, bicycle , pedestrian …) in this > case I think is a lot of work to that. Do we have somehow the possibility > to define in the same O/D Matric different object type ? > > > > Thank you against > > > > Br > > > > Christian > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Auftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 07:59 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > Alternatively, you could use the Amitran-format > https://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices#The_Amitran_format > which allows modelling multple time slices and vehicle types in a single > input file (in this case od2trips only needs to be run once). > > > > Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Jakob Erdmann < > namdre.s...@gmail.com>: > > If you wish to model demand time lines that vary among the OD-pairs, you > will have split your matrix along the time axis > > (one matrix from 0-1 o'clock, one matrix from 1-2 o'clock etc...). > > In this case, the documentation regarding timelines becomes irrelevant. > > You then have to run od2trips multiple times and load all the generated > trip files into duarouter (or directly into sumo). > > > > regards, > > Jakob > > > > Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 15:27 Uhr schrieb : > > Thank you Jakob, > > > > i have another question relative to this point. > > In the picture down you can find an picture of a excel file > > > > > > In this picture “+” is source and “-“ sink. > > As you can see there I have to for every edgeID a different timeline. > > My question is to know the O/D matrix have to know the corresponding > timeline for specific edgeID. > > Also for me is at the moment not really clear how to define in the same > timeline file, different timeline which correspond to different edgeID, and > how we have to do the corresponding of this information in the O/D matrix. > Because the Absolut number of vehicle for every edge have to be define in > this. So based of this value the percentage in the timeline can be > calculated. > > Is the some more explained example? > > I got some overview here : > https://sumo.dlr.de/userdoc/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices.html#Daily_Time_Lines > > But this example is not more detail in the explanation. Because we cannot > see how The file Name (TGw2_PKW.txt, etc. …) are define. > > Please could you give me more hint ? > > > > Br > > > > Christian > > > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Auftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Montag, 11. März 2019 14:13 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > You can use the same TAZ id for FROM and TO to describe traffic within > that zone. > > > > Am Mo., 11. März 2019 um 13:53 Uhr schrieb : > > Hello Sumo users, > > i have a question relative to the description of TAZ File. > > Normally after describing an TAZ File we have to write the Matrix Cell. I > am using the O-Format, which is given by the form: > > FROM | TO | NUMVEHICLES > > FROM and TO are both the TAZ id. > > We can also use Differentiated Probabilities to describe TAZ . > > So we can give in the same TAZ id many tazSource and Tazsink. My question > now is to know, if I just have one TAZid which have the complete definition > of Source, Sink and their weight. How should I describe the O-Format Matrix > cell ? > > I mean normally I have to put the TAZid Source (FROM) and TAZid sink (TO). > But now all the source and sink are located in the same TAZid. How should > we do ? > > > > Br > > > > Christian > > > > > > ___ > sumo-user mailing list > sumo-user@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mail
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Hello Jakob, thank you for the hint. That mean if I’m not using Amitran-format. I have to define for in a step for 1 hour a new O/D Matrix. Should I do that for every object type (passenger car, bicycle , pedestrian …) in this case I think is a lot of work to that. Do we have somehow the possibility to define in the same O/D Matric different object type ? Thank you against Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. März 2019 07:59 An: Sumo project User discussions Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ Alternatively, you could use the Amitran-format https://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices#The_Amitran_format which allows modelling multple time slices and vehicle types in a single input file (in this case od2trips only needs to be run once). Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Jakob Erdmann mailto:namdre.s...@gmail.com>>: If you wish to model demand time lines that vary among the OD-pairs, you will have split your matrix along the time axis (one matrix from 0-1 o'clock, one matrix from 1-2 o'clock etc...). In this case, the documentation regarding timelines becomes irrelevant. You then have to run od2trips multiple times and load all the generated trip files into duarouter (or directly into sumo). regards, Jakob Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 15:27 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Thank you Jakob, i have another question relative to this point. In the picture down you can find an picture of a excel file [cid:image001.png@01D4D984.E1804F60] In this picture “+” is source and “-“ sink. As you can see there I have to for every edgeID a different timeline. My question is to know the O/D matrix have to know the corresponding timeline for specific edgeID. Also for me is at the moment not really clear how to define in the same timeline file, different timeline which correspond to different edgeID, and how we have to do the corresponding of this information in the O/D matrix. Because the Absolut number of vehicle for every edge have to be define in this. So based of this value the percentage in the timeline can be calculated. Is the some more explained example? I got some overview here : https://sumo.dlr.de/userdoc/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices.html#Daily_Time_Lines But this example is not more detail in the explanation. Because we cannot see how The file Name (TGw2_PKW.txt, etc. …) are define. Please could you give me more hint ? Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org> mailto:sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org>> Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Montag, 11. März 2019 14:13 An: Sumo project User discussions mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org>> Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ You can use the same TAZ id for FROM and TO to describe traffic within that zone. Am Mo., 11. März 2019 um 13:53 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Hello Sumo users, i have a question relative to the description of TAZ File. Normally after describing an TAZ File we have to write the Matrix Cell. I am using the O-Format, which is given by the form: FROM | TO | NUMVEHICLES FROM and TO are both the TAZ id. We can also use Differentiated Probabilities to describe TAZ . So we can give in the same TAZ id many tazSource and Tazsink. My question now is to know, if I just have one TAZid which have the complete definition of Source, Sink and their weight. How should I describe the O-Format Matrix cell ? I mean normally I have to put the TAZid Source (FROM) and TAZid sink (TO). But now all the source and sink are located in the same TAZid. How should we do ? Br Christian ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user
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Alternatively, you could use the Amitran-format https://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices#The_Amitran_format which allows modelling multple time slices and vehicle types in a single input file (in this case od2trips only needs to be run once). Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 17:45 Uhr schrieb Jakob Erdmann < namdre.s...@gmail.com>: > If you wish to model demand time lines that vary among the OD-pairs, you > will have split your matrix along the time axis > (one matrix from 0-1 o'clock, one matrix from 1-2 o'clock etc...). > In this case, the documentation regarding timelines becomes irrelevant. > You then have to run od2trips multiple times and load all the generated > trip files into duarouter (or directly into sumo). > > regards, > Jakob > > Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 15:27 Uhr schrieb : > >> Thank you Jakob, >> >> >> >> i have another question relative to this point. >> >> In the picture down you can find an picture of a excel file >> >> >> >> >> >> In this picture “+” is source and “-“ sink. >> >> As you can see there I have to for every edgeID a different timeline. >> >> My question is to know the O/D matrix have to know the corresponding >> timeline for specific edgeID. >> >> Also for me is at the moment not really clear how to define in the same >> timeline file, different timeline which correspond to different edgeID, and >> how we have to do the corresponding of this information in the O/D matrix. >> Because the Absolut number of vehicle for every edge have to be define in >> this. So based of this value the percentage in the timeline can be >> calculated. >> >> Is the some more explained example? >> >> I got some overview here : >> https://sumo.dlr.de/userdoc/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices.html#Daily_Time_Lines >> >> But this example is not more detail in the explanation. Because we cannot >> see how The file Name (TGw2_PKW.txt, etc. …) are define. >> >> Please could you give me more hint ? >> >> >> >> Br >> >> >> >> Christian >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im >> Auftrag von *Jakob Erdmann >> *Gesendet:* Montag, 11. März 2019 14:13 >> *An:* Sumo project User discussions >> *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ >> >> >> >> You can use the same TAZ id for FROM and TO to describe traffic within >> that zone. >> >> >> >> Am Mo., 11. März 2019 um 13:53 Uhr schrieb : >> >> Hello Sumo users, >> >> i have a question relative to the description of TAZ File. >> >> Normally after describing an TAZ File we have to write the Matrix Cell. I >> am using the O-Format, which is given by the form: >> >> FROM | TO | NUMVEHICLES >> >> FROM and TO are both the TAZ id. >> >> We can also use Differentiated Probabilities to describe TAZ . >> >> So we can give in the same TAZ id many tazSource and Tazsink. My question >> now is to know, if I just have one TAZid which have the complete definition >> of Source, Sink and their weight. How should I describe the O-Format Matrix >> cell ? >> >> I mean normally I have to put the TAZid Source (FROM) and TAZid sink >> (TO). But now all the source and sink are located in the same TAZid. How >> should we do ? >> >> >> >> Br >> >> >> >> Christian >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> sumo-user mailing list >> sumo-user@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >> >> ___ >> sumo-user mailing list >> sumo-user@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user >> > ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user
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If you wish to model demand time lines that vary among the OD-pairs, you will have split your matrix along the time axis (one matrix from 0-1 o'clock, one matrix from 1-2 o'clock etc...). In this case, the documentation regarding timelines becomes irrelevant. You then have to run od2trips multiple times and load all the generated trip files into duarouter (or directly into sumo). regards, Jakob Am Di., 12. März 2019 um 15:27 Uhr schrieb : > Thank you Jakob, > > > > i have another question relative to this point. > > In the picture down you can find an picture of a excel file > > > > > > In this picture “+” is source and “-“ sink. > > As you can see there I have to for every edgeID a different timeline. > > My question is to know the O/D matrix have to know the corresponding > timeline for specific edgeID. > > Also for me is at the moment not really clear how to define in the same > timeline file, different timeline which correspond to different edgeID, and > how we have to do the corresponding of this information in the O/D matrix. > Because the Absolut number of vehicle for every edge have to be define in > this. So based of this value the percentage in the timeline can be > calculated. > > Is the some more explained example? > > I got some overview here : > https://sumo.dlr.de/userdoc/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices.html#Daily_Time_Lines > > But this example is not more detail in the explanation. Because we cannot > see how The file Name (TGw2_PKW.txt, etc. …) are define. > > Please could you give me more hint ? > > > > Br > > > > Christian > > > > > > *Von:* sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org *Im > Auftrag von *Jakob Erdmann > *Gesendet:* Montag, 11. März 2019 14:13 > *An:* Sumo project User discussions > *Betreff:* Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ > > > > You can use the same TAZ id for FROM and TO to describe traffic within > that zone. > > > > Am Mo., 11. März 2019 um 13:53 Uhr schrieb : > > Hello Sumo users, > > i have a question relative to the description of TAZ File. > > Normally after describing an TAZ File we have to write the Matrix Cell. I > am using the O-Format, which is given by the form: > > FROM | TO | NUMVEHICLES > > FROM and TO are both the TAZ id. > > We can also use Differentiated Probabilities to describe TAZ . > > So we can give in the same TAZ id many tazSource and Tazsink. My question > now is to know, if I just have one TAZid which have the complete definition > of Source, Sink and their weight. How should I describe the O-Format Matrix > cell ? > > I mean normally I have to put the TAZid Source (FROM) and TAZid sink (TO). > But now all the source and sink are located in the same TAZid. How should > we do ? > > > > Br > > > > Christian > > > > > > ___ > sumo-user mailing list > sumo-user@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user > > ___ > sumo-user mailing list > sumo-user@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user > ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user
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Thank you Jakob, i have another question relative to this point. In the picture down you can find an picture of a excel file [cid:image001.png@01D4D8E8.07F5AB60] In this picture “+” is source and “-“ sink. As you can see there I have to for every edgeID a different timeline. My question is to know the O/D matrix have to know the corresponding timeline for specific edgeID. Also for me is at the moment not really clear how to define in the same timeline file, different timeline which correspond to different edgeID, and how we have to do the corresponding of this information in the O/D matrix. Because the Absolut number of vehicle for every edge have to be define in this. So based of this value the percentage in the timeline can be calculated. Is the some more explained example? I got some overview here : https://sumo.dlr.de/userdoc/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices.html#Daily_Time_Lines But this example is not more detail in the explanation. Because we cannot see how The file Name (TGw2_PKW.txt, etc. …) are define. Please could you give me more hint ? Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Montag, 11. März 2019 14:13 An: Sumo project User discussions Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ You can use the same TAZ id for FROM and TO to describe traffic within that zone. Am Mo., 11. März 2019 um 13:53 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Hello Sumo users, i have a question relative to the description of TAZ File. Normally after describing an TAZ File we have to write the Matrix Cell. I am using the O-Format, which is given by the form: FROM | TO | NUMVEHICLES FROM and TO are both the TAZ id. We can also use Differentiated Probabilities to describe TAZ . So we can give in the same TAZ id many tazSource and Tazsink. My question now is to know, if I just have one TAZid which have the complete definition of Source, Sink and their weight. How should I describe the O-Format Matrix cell ? I mean normally I have to put the TAZid Source (FROM) and TAZid sink (TO). But now all the source and sink are located in the same TAZid. How should we do ? Br Christian ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user
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Thank you Jakob, i have another question relative to this point. In the picture down you can find an picture of a excel file [cid:image001.png@01D4D8D9.7B4BE020] In this picture “+” is source and “-“ sink. As you can see there I have to for every edgeID a different timeline. My question is to know the O/D matrix have to know the corresponding timeline for specific edgeID. Also for me is at the moment not really clear how to define in the same timeline file, different timeline which correspond to different edgeID, and how we have to do the corresponding of this information in the O/D matrix. Because the Absolut number of vehicle for every edge have to be define in this. So based of this value the percentage in the timeline can be calculated. Is the some more explained example? I got some overview here : https://sumo.dlr.de/userdoc/Demand/Importing_O/D_Matrices.html#Daily_Time_Lines But this example is not more detail in the explanation. Because we cannot see how The file Name (TGw2_PKW.txt, etc. …) are define. Please could you give me more hint ? Br Christian Von: sumo-user-boun...@eclipse.org Im Auftrag von Jakob Erdmann Gesendet: Montag, 11. März 2019 14:13 An: Sumo project User discussions Betreff: Re: [sumo-user] question relative to TAZ You can use the same TAZ id for FROM and TO to describe traffic within that zone. Am Mo., 11. März 2019 um 13:53 Uhr schrieb mailto:christian.damdjow...@zf.com>>: Hello Sumo users, i have a question relative to the description of TAZ File. Normally after describing an TAZ File we have to write the Matrix Cell. I am using the O-Format, which is given by the form: FROM | TO | NUMVEHICLES FROM and TO are both the TAZ id. We can also use Differentiated Probabilities to describe TAZ . So we can give in the same TAZ id many tazSource and Tazsink. My question now is to know, if I just have one TAZid which have the complete definition of Source, Sink and their weight. How should I describe the O-Format Matrix cell ? I mean normally I have to put the TAZid Source (FROM) and TAZid sink (TO). But now all the source and sink are located in the same TAZid. How should we do ? Br Christian ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org<mailto:sumo-user@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user
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You can use the same TAZ id for FROM and TO to describe traffic within that zone. Am Mo., 11. März 2019 um 13:53 Uhr schrieb : > Hello Sumo users, > > i have a question relative to the description of TAZ File. > > Normally after describing an TAZ File we have to write the Matrix Cell. I > am using the O-Format, which is given by the form: > > FROM | TO | NUMVEHICLES > > FROM and TO are both the TAZ id. > > We can also use Differentiated Probabilities to describe TAZ . > > So we can give in the same TAZ id many tazSource and Tazsink. My question > now is to know, if I just have one TAZid which have the complete definition > of Source, Sink and their weight. How should I describe the O-Format Matrix > cell ? > > I mean normally I have to put the TAZid Source (FROM) and TAZid sink (TO). > But now all the source and sink are located in the same TAZid. How should > we do ? > > > > Br > > > > Christian > > > > > ___ > sumo-user mailing list > sumo-user@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user > ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user
[sumo-user] question relative to TAZ
Hello Sumo users, i have a question relative to the description of TAZ File. Normally after describing an TAZ File we have to write the Matrix Cell. I am using the O-Format, which is given by the form: FROM | TO | NUMVEHICLES FROM and TO are both the TAZ id. We can also use Differentiated Probabilities to describe TAZ . So we can give in the same TAZ id many tazSource and Tazsink. My question now is to know, if I just have one TAZid which have the complete definition of Source, Sink and their weight. How should I describe the O-Format Matrix cell ? I mean normally I have to put the TAZid Source (FROM) and TAZid sink (TO). But now all the source and sink are located in the same TAZid. How should we do ? Br Christian ___ sumo-user mailing list sumo-user@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-user
