Re: Most accurate Sundial in the World

2014-04-13 Thread rmallett

On 13/04/2014 20:24, Brooke Clarke wrote:

Hi Dan:

Don't know the answer to your question but have a comment.

The dial itself doesn't appear to have a built in correction for the 
EOT, i.e. the correction comes from the adjacent instruction bulletin 
board.
This allows changing the instructions to account for year to year 
variations like leap year or leap seconds.  If that's the case then I 
don't think it's fair to say the dial is that accurate, you could say 
the dial plus the correction table is that accurate.


Dials like the Schmoyer or direct reading equatorial have the EOT and 
longitude corrections built in.

http://www.prc68.com/I/Sundial.shtml#Schmoyer

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html


You might just as well say that the Sun itself isn't that accurate, 
because you need a correction table to convert solar time to clock time.



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Re: Most accurate Sundial in the World

2014-04-13 Thread Brooke Clarke

Hi Dan:

Don't know the answer to your question but have a comment.

The dial itself doesn't appear to have a built in correction for the EOT, i.e. the correction comes from the adjacent 
instruction bulletin board.
This allows changing the instructions to account for year to year variations like leap year or leap seconds.  If that's 
the case then I don't think it's fair to say the dial is that accurate, you could say the dial plus the correction table 
is that accurate.


Dials like the Schmoyer or direct reading equatorial have the EOT and longitude 
corrections built in.
http://www.prc68.com/I/Sundial.shtml#Schmoyer

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

cerculdestele . wrote:

Does anyone know if this record has been broken?

http://www.engadin.stmoritz.ch/sommer/en/activities/mountain-adventure/mountains/muottas-muragl-mountain-adventures/sundial-muottas-muragl/

Dan Uza
Romania


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Re: Most accurate Sundial in the World

2014-04-13 Thread Bill Gottesman
That is pretty bold claim, one which I do not make with my own dials.  This
dial is designed to be readable to 5 seconds, but accuracy could be another
matter.  There are so many variables that affect accuracy, and some are
easily overlooked.  Specifically, critical alignment with the north
celestial pole is extremely hard to achieve.  A magnificently designed dial
can perform only as well as its installation will allow.  Accuracy related
to alignment varies with time of day and the sun's declination;  I have not
done the math for a while, but I think even a misalignment by 1/10th of a
degree an any direction will preclude accuracy of say, 15 seconds for a
least part of the day, during some part of the year.  Year-on-year
variation in the EoT is another matter, but could be properly compensated
if accounted for.

Claims of accuracy (for civil time) can be evaluated only by simultaneous
measurements of dial and clock at different times of day, and different
times of the year.  Even a broken watch is accurate twice a day.

-Bill



On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:54 AM, cerculdestele . wrote:

> Does anyone know if this record has been broken?
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> http://www.engadin.stmoritz.ch/sommer/en/activities/mountain-adventure/mountains/muottas-muragl-mountain-adventures/sundial-muottas-muragl/
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Most accurate Sundial in the World

2014-04-13 Thread cerculdestele .
Does anyone know if this record has been broken?

http://www.engadin.stmoritz.ch/sommer/en/activities/mountain-adventure/mountains/muottas-muragl-mountain-adventures/sundial-muottas-muragl/

Dan Uza
Romania
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