Re: publication on Science of Time, with sundials

[Richard Langley]

Whoops! Fake news! Einstein did get a Nobel prize but not for relativity. He 
got it in 1921 for explaining the photoelectric effect.
-- Richard Langley

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On Nov 4, 2017, at 4:08 PM, Brooke Clarke 
> wrote:

Hi Rod:

Using time sent over telegraph wires allowed determining longitude much more 
accurately than was possible before because time could be transferred more 
accurately than prior.  But this also created a problem in setting clocks.  In  
the late 1800s and early 1900s there were a lot of patent applications on ways 
to do this and a guy named Einstein who worked in the Swiss patent office read 
pretty much all of them in his office.  People were beginning to see what today 
we would call relativistic differences but at that time they just saw problems. 
 Note that Eisenstein never received a Nobel prize because he was just a patent 
clerk, not a scientist.

A common misconception is that Newton was a physicist who figured out what 
gravity is.  Not at all true.  Newton was a mathematician who invented 
mathematics to make "black box" calculations about gravity but had no clue how 
it worked.  More about this in the Richard Feynman lectures at Cornell 
"The.Character of Physical Law".
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/tuva-richard-feynman/
also the book: Einstein's Clocks and Poincare's Maps: Empires of Time

--
Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html


 Original Message 
Thanks Sara,

A very interesting book. Haven't finished reading it but will.

It reminds me of a book that I once read about time.

Book indicated that when the telegraph lines were invented. This then allowed 
time to be accurate at the end of the telegraph line. Which then allowed the 
location longitude to be accurately defined. And more places as the telegraph 
lines were extended. And even more places when wireless was invented.

Time is very interesting.

 John Harrison's Longitude watch also allowed the longitude to be determined 
more accurately at sea. The story of Longitude and time.

Regards,

Roderick Wall.
At the end of the line in Australia.

- Reply message -
From: "Schechner, Sara" 

To: "Richard Langley" 
Cc: "sundial@uni-koeln.de" 

Subject: publication on Science of Time, with sundials
Date: Fri, Nov 3, 2017 6:50 AM


Dear All,
The links were free to me and others, but perhaps we are somehow inside the 
firewall.  I don't understand what is going on, since I have not logged into 
the Springer site.

Here is a link to my download of the book: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uly1qfaov3intr1/Science%20of%20Time%202016%20BOOK_978-3-319-59909-0.pdf?dl=0

I hope this will help.
Sara


-Original Message-
From: Richard Langley [mailto:l...@unb.ca]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 3:27 PM
To: Schechner, Sara
Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Re: publication on Science of Time, with sundials

For free? Not when I followed the links.
-- (Prof.) Richard Langley

-
| Richard B. LangleyE-mail: 
l...@unb.ca |
| Geodetic Research Laboratory  Web: http://gge.unb.ca/ |
| Dept. of Geodesy and Geomatics EngineeringPhone:+1 506 453-5142   |
| University of New Brunswick   Fax:  +1 506 453-4943   |
| Fredericton, N.B., Canada  E3B 5A3|
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> On Nov 2, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Schechner, Sara 
>  wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> In June 2016, I attended a symposium on the Science of Time.  The
> proceedings have now been published by Springer, and are available for
> free download here:
> https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-59909-0
>
> The Science of Time 2016: Time in Astronomy & Society, Past, Present
> and Future Edited by  Elisa Felicitas Arias, Ludwig Combrinck, Pavel Gabor, 
> Catherine Hohenkerk, and P. Kenneth Seidelmann.
> Astrophysics and Space Science Proceedings, vol 50.
> Cham: Springer International Publishing AG, 2017
>
> Many articles may be of interest to this group, but in particular there are 
> two articles on sundials.  I list them below along with direct links ot the 
> PDFs:
>
> Geoff Parsons:  "The Development and Use of the Pilkington and Gibbs 
> Heliochronometer and Sol Horometer"
> https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-59909-0_7.pd
> f
>
> Sara J. Schechner:  "These Are Not Your Mother's Sundials: Or, 

Re: publication on Science of Time, with sundials

[Brooke Clarke]

Hi Rod:

Using time sent over telegraph wires allowed determining longitude much more accurately than was possible before because 
time could be transferred more accurately than prior.  But this also created a problem in setting clocks.  In  the late 
1800s and early 1900s there were a lot of patent applications on ways to do this and a guy named Einstein who worked in 
the Swiss patent office read pretty much all of them in his office.  People were beginning to see what today we would 
call relativistic differences but at that time they just saw problems.  Note that Eisenstein never received a Nobel 
prize because he was just a patent clerk, not a scientist.


A common misconception is that Newton was a physicist who figured out what gravity is.  Not at all true.  Newton was a 
mathematician who invented mathematics to make "black box" calculations about gravity but had no clue how it worked.  
More about this in the Richard Feynman lectures at Cornell "The.Character of Physical Law".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/tuva-richard-feynman/
also the book: Einstein's Clocks and Poincare's Maps: Empires of Time

--
Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html

 Original Message 

Thanks Sara,

A very interesting book. Haven't finished reading it but will.

It reminds me of a book that I once read about time.

Book indicated that when the telegraph lines were invented. This then allowed time to be accurate at the end of the 
telegraph line. Which then allowed the location longitude to be accurately defined. And more places as the telegraph 
lines were extended. And even more places when wireless was invented.


Time is very interesting.

 John Harrison's Longitude watch also allowed the longitude to be determined more accurately at sea. The story of 
Longitude and time.


Regards,

Roderick Wall.
At the end of the line in Australia.

- Reply message -
From: "Schechner, Sara" 
To: "Richard Langley" 
Cc: "sundial@uni-koeln.de" 
Subject: publication on Science of Time, with sundials
Date: Fri, Nov 3, 2017 6:50 AM

Dear All,
The links were free to me and others, but perhaps we are somehow inside the 
firewall.  I don't understand what is going on, since I have not logged into 
the Springer site.

Here is a link to my download of the book:https://www.dropbox.com/s/uly1qfaov3intr1/Science%20of%20Time%202016%20BOOK_978-3-319-59909-0.pdf?dl=0


I hope this will help.
Sara


-Original Message-
From: Richard Langley [mailto:l...@unb.ca]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 3:27 PM
To: Schechner, Sara
Cc: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Re: publication on Science of Time, with sundials

For free? Not when I followed the links.
-- (Prof.) Richard Langley

-
| Richard B. LangleyE-mail: l...@unb.ca |
| Geodetic Research Laboratory  Web:http://gge.unb.ca/  |
| Dept. of Geodesy and Geomatics EngineeringPhone:+1 506 453-5142   |
| University of New Brunswick   Fax:  +1 506 453-4943   |
| Fredericton, N.B., Canada  E3B 5A3|
|Fredericton?  Where's that?  See:http://www.fredericton.ca/|
-



> On Nov 2, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Schechner, Sara  wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> In June 2016, I attended a symposium on the Science of Time.  The
> proceedings have now been published by Springer, and are available for
> free download here:
>https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-59909-0
>
> The Science of Time 2016: Time in Astronomy & Society, Past, Present
> and Future Edited by  Elisa Felicitas Arias, Ludwig Combrinck, Pavel Gabor, 
Catherine Hohenkerk, and P. Kenneth Seidelmann.
> Astrophysics and Space Science Proceedings, vol 50.
> Cham: Springer International Publishing AG, 2017
>
> Many articles may be of interest to this group, but in particular there are 
two articles on sundials.  I list them below along with direct links ot the PDFs:
>
> Geoff Parsons:  “The Development and Use of the Pilkington and Gibbs 
Heliochronometer and Sol Horometer”
>https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-59909-0_7.pd
> f
>
> Sara J. Schechner:  “These Are Not Your Mother’s Sundials: Or, Time and 
Astronomy’s Authority”
>https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-319-59909-0_8.pd
> f
>
> Happy reading!
> Sara
>
> Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D.
> David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific
> Instruments Lecturer on the History of Science Department of the
> History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford
> Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
> Tel: 617-496-9542   |   Fax: 617-495-3344  |   sche...@fas.harvard.edu