RE: SCOTTISH SUNDIAL
I remember seeing that pattern at Ottery St Mary and Alton and perhaps elsewhere but John has beaten me to it in mentioning that! It looked most probably early 20th century to me. I would say that the existence of several more or less identical such dials widely separated indicates more or less definitely that it's not genuine 1684, though my logic in that deduction may be a bit tenuous? Regards, Andrew James From: sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Dennis Cowan Sent: 21 January 2014 21:39 To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: SCOTTISH SUNDIAL I wonder if anyone on the list can help? I received photos of this sundial from a lady in the USA. She aquired it whilst she lived in Scotland some twenty odd years ago. I'm trying to trace the possible origins for her. I am not sure if the date of 1684 is genuine as it looks quite fresh, but a reproduction would surely use a known motto and I have never heard of this one Ye Shade Teecheth. The compass is also unusual to me. Does anyone have any opinions? Is it original or a reproduction.? Does anyone recognise the motto or style of compass? Many thanks Dennis Cowan This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControlhttp://www.mailcontrol.com/. Secure Meters (UK) Ltd. is a registered company in England: 2199653 Secure House, Moorside Road, Winchester, SO23 7RX This correspondence is confidential and solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message or any part of it. If you are not the intended recipient please delete this correspondence from your system and notify the sender immediately. --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: SCOTTISH SUNDIAL
I dislike judging things from photographs rather than in person, but to me this looks like a fake (something pretending to be what it is not) and not a reproduction.The lettering is not convincing-too many styles, ones wrong for the period, the hour numerals reversed from the usual, the use of Ye, etc. Typical sundials don't put a wind rose under the gnomon. Cheers, Sara Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 | sche...@fas.harvard.edumailto:sche...@fas.harvard.edu http://scholar.harvard.edu/saraschechner/ http://chsi.harvard.edu/ From: sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Dennis Cowan Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:37 PM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: SCOTTISH SUNDIAL I wonder if anyone on the list can help? I received photos of this sundial from a lady in the USA. She aquired it whilst she lived in Scotland some twenty odd years ago. I'm trying to trace the possible origins for her. I am not sure if the date of 1684 is genuine as it looks quite fresh, but a reproduction would surely use a known motto and I have never heard of this one Ye Shade Teecheth. The compass is also unusual to me. Does anyone have any opinions? Is it original or a reproduction.? Does anyone recognise the motto or style of compass? Many thanks Dennis Cowan --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: SCOTTISH SUNDIAL
Hi Dennis, Bad news, I'm afraid! This is almost certainly an early-20th-century 'decorative' dial of the type made by firms like Pearson Page Ltd and advertised in their catalogues. The spelling, the use of a motto at all, the arrangement of the hour numerals etc etc are all wrong for a 17th century English dial. The good news is that, with a suitable gnomon, it would give quite a reasonable time-telling performance, at least in England if not in Scotland or (most of) America. And it is decorative! Regards, John --- Dr J Davis Flowton Dials http://www.flowton-dials.co.uk/ BSS Editor http://www.sundialsoc.org.uk/bulletin.php From: Dennis Cowan dennis.co...@btinternet.com To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014, 21:36 Subject: SCOTTISH SUNDIAL I wonder if anyone on the list can help? I received photos of this sundial from a lady in the USA. She aquired it whilst she lived in Scotland some twenty odd years ago. I'm trying to trace the possible origins for her. I am not sure if the date of 1684 is genuine as it looks quite fresh, but a reproduction would surely use a known motto and I have never heard of this one Ye Shade Teecheth. The compass is also unusual to me. Does anyone have any opinions? Is it original or a reproduction.? Does anyone recognise the motto or style of compass? Many thanks Dennis Cowan --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: SCOTTISH SUNDIAL
The IV as opposed to the worries me. Simon Simon Wheaton-Smith www.illustratingshadows.com Phoenix, Arizona, W112.1 N33.5 From: Dennis Cowan dennis.co...@btinternet.com To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:36 PM Subject: SCOTTISH SUNDIAL I wonder if anyone on the list can help? I received photos of this sundial from a lady in the USA. She aquired it whilst she lived in Scotland some twenty odd years ago. I'm trying to trace the possible origins for her. I am not sure if the date of 1684 is genuine as it looks quite fresh, but a reproduction would surely use a known motto and I have never heard of this one Ye Shade Teecheth. The compass is also unusual to me. Does anyone have any opinions? Is it original or a reproduction.? Does anyone recognise the motto or style of compass? Many thanks Dennis Cowan --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
