[freenet-support] "BitTorrent"
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > talking about the datastore, if Freenet hasn't modified its behaviour > lately I recall the every stored key is bound to disappear sooner or > later from all the datastores. > > This is good when seen a wise usage of available space, and this is > similar to the way bittorrent works (unpopulated torrents eventually > are bound to disappear). > > However this is an undesirable behaviour to those looking for rare stuff. > > The reason for these ramblings is as follows. In a single week two of > my older HDs have started showing signs of death. This is bad. I had > to buy bigger a fat new HD to backup the data. > Imagine what would happen if a big HD suddenly fails? > > Personally I don't have the money to buy a tape streamer or to > completely mirror my data. Burning DVDs is not a viable option: DVD > are prone to fast deterioration as time passes, plus they are > remarkably small, compared to a modern Hard Disk. > > Now, what would happen if key are never bound to expire in a freenet > datastore? > Then you would have a permanent remote backup of your precious data. > A darknet could be made to work as a remarkable distributed and (not > so strongly) encrypted multiuser network backup system. > If I recall correctly, the datastore size determines when a key is > about to expire. Given that I'm willing to dedicate a full encrypted > HD as a datastore, I'd like to suggest the possibility of a Freenet > branch with the option to disable key expiration and to stop storing > keys when the datastore is full. > > sorry for the dumb request.. > > bye > Inverse I don't think that anything is dumb in what you've written, but i don't think that Freenet's goal is to archive the content. The ultimate goal is to allow for communication and publication from the regimes where Free Speech doesn't protect the particular idea or data you are trying to communicate or publish. It is not to say that this content must stay available forever. In fact one of the reasons why i tell people that freenet is great is because of the karmikal balance on it. On the normal internet the more popular content dies faster (server has to pay more for the distribution) while on Freenet the more popular content will be last to go (it gets spread); that is just like in Bittorrent. However, unlike in Bittorrent, the act of downloading content actually spreads it, even if you go offline immediately after getting it. While what you propose would help to keep unpopular content online, it would break this sort of structure, and popular but new content would find it harder to compete with the old. I am not making judgement here as to what content is actually important, but i think that what you describe is perhaps very close to Frost's insert on demand. Which at a very low cost can keep content available. - Volodya - -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Voice of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://freeselfdefence.info/ Self-defence wiki http://www.kingstonstudents.org/ Kingston University students' forum "None of us are free until all of us are free."~ Mihail Bakunin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF+x0SuWy2EFICg+0RAvjqAKCj1wgpej79PjmVhG+rcbqBTb6LWACgpa9E mkUA0umAlbYllD0nh2bFjkM= =U278 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [freenet-support] "BitTorrent"
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > talking about the datastore, if Freenet hasn't modified its behaviour > lately I recall the every stored key is bound to disappear sooner or > later from all the datastores. > > This is good when seen a wise usage of available space, and this is > similar to the way bittorrent works (unpopulated torrents eventually > are bound to disappear). > > However this is an undesirable behaviour to those looking for rare stuff. > > The reason for these ramblings is as follows. In a single week two of > my older HDs have started showing signs of death. This is bad. I had > to buy bigger a fat new HD to backup the data. > Imagine what would happen if a big HD suddenly fails? > > Personally I don't have the money to buy a tape streamer or to > completely mirror my data. Burning DVDs is not a viable option: DVD > are prone to fast deterioration as time passes, plus they are > remarkably small, compared to a modern Hard Disk. > > Now, what would happen if key are never bound to expire in a freenet > datastore? > Then you would have a permanent remote backup of your precious data. > A darknet could be made to work as a remarkable distributed and (not > so strongly) encrypted multiuser network backup system. > If I recall correctly, the datastore size determines when a key is > about to expire. Given that I'm willing to dedicate a full encrypted > HD as a datastore, I'd like to suggest the possibility of a Freenet > branch with the option to disable key expiration and to stop storing > keys when the datastore is full. > > sorry for the dumb request.. > > bye > Inverse I don't think that anything is dumb in what you've written, but i don't think that Freenet's goal is to archive the content. The ultimate goal is to allow for communication and publication from the regimes where Free Speech doesn't protect the particular idea or data you are trying to communicate or publish. It is not to say that this content must stay available forever. In fact one of the reasons why i tell people that freenet is great is because of the karmikal balance on it. On the normal internet the more popular content dies faster (server has to pay more for the distribution) while on Freenet the more popular content will be last to go (it gets spread); that is just like in Bittorrent. However, unlike in Bittorrent, the act of downloading content actually spreads it, even if you go offline immediately after getting it. While what you propose would help to keep unpopular content online, it would break this sort of structure, and popular but new content would find it harder to compete with the old. I am not making judgement here as to what content is actually important, but i think that what you describe is perhaps very close to Frost's insert on demand. Which at a very low cost can keep content available. - Volodya - -- http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Voice of Freedom, Radical Podcast http://freeselfdefence.info/ Self-defence wiki http://www.kingstonstudents.org/ Kingston University students' forum "None of us are free until all of us are free."~ Mihail Bakunin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF+x0SuWy2EFICg+0RAvjqAKCj1wgpej79PjmVhG+rcbqBTb6LWACgpa9E mkUA0umAlbYllD0nh2bFjkM= =U278 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] "BitTorrent"
> Freenet has a thing called a 'datastore'. Every node (user) of Freenet > dedicates some talking about the datastore, if Freenet hasn't modified its behaviour lately I recall the every stored key is bound to disappear sooner or later from all the datastores. This is good when seen a wise usage of available space, and this is similar to the way bittorrent works (unpopulated torrents eventually are bound to disappear). However this is an undesirable behaviour to those looking for rare stuff. The reason for these ramblings is as follows. In a single week two of my older HDs have started showing signs of death. This is bad. I had to buy bigger a fat new HD to backup the data. Imagine what would happen if a big HD suddenly fails? Personally I don't have the money to buy a tape streamer or to completely mirror my data. Burning DVDs is not a viable option: DVD are prone to fast deterioration as time passes, plus they are remarkably small, compared to a modern Hard Disk. Now, what would happen if key are never bound to expire in a freenet datastore? Then you would have a permanent remote backup of your precious data. A darknet could be made to work as a remarkable distributed and (not so strongly) encrypted multiuser network backup system. If I recall correctly, the datastore size determines when a key is about to expire. Given that I'm willing to dedicate a full encrypted HD as a datastore, I'd like to suggest the possibility of a Freenet branch with the option to disable key expiration and to stop storing keys when the datastore is full. sorry for the dumb request.. bye Inverse
Re: [freenet-support] "BitTorrent"
> Freenet has a thing called a 'datastore'. Every node (user) of Freenet > dedicates some talking about the datastore, if Freenet hasn't modified its behaviour lately I recall the every stored key is bound to disappear sooner or later from all the datastores. This is good when seen a wise usage of available space, and this is similar to the way bittorrent works (unpopulated torrents eventually are bound to disappear). However this is an undesirable behaviour to those looking for rare stuff. The reason for these ramblings is as follows. In a single week two of my older HDs have started showing signs of death. This is bad. I had to buy bigger a fat new HD to backup the data. Imagine what would happen if a big HD suddenly fails? Personally I don't have the money to buy a tape streamer or to completely mirror my data. Burning DVDs is not a viable option: DVD are prone to fast deterioration as time passes, plus they are remarkably small, compared to a modern Hard Disk. Now, what would happen if key are never bound to expire in a freenet datastore? Then you would have a permanent remote backup of your precious data. A darknet could be made to work as a remarkable distributed and (not so strongly) encrypted multiuser network backup system. If I recall correctly, the datastore size determines when a key is about to expire. Given that I'm willing to dedicate a full encrypted HD as a datastore, I'd like to suggest the possibility of a Freenet branch with the option to disable key expiration and to stop storing keys when the datastore is full. sorry for the dumb request.. bye Inverse ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1020
Freenet 0.7 build 1020 is now available. This build contains a large number of fixes and improvements to the datastore code, including a bug that was causing the node to fail to start up due to a timeout, also it fixes a bug that was causing Freenet to think there are far more nodes on the network than there actually are, a small FCP bug, better error handling, a new revocation key (we lose the old one's privkey :< ) and various other fixes and improvements. Please upgrade. The build should be available through the auto-update system soon. Also freenet-ext.jar build 1011 is available, this fixes a bug in freenet-ext #10 in the amd64 native code FEC; if you run AMD64 you *may* need to upgrade it manually. Many thanks to all our testers, and all our contributors. The latter include nextgens, zothar, volodya and myself. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20070316/df41fa87/attachment.pgp>
