Is anyone working on Ruby 1.9 for GTA01/02 ?

[sparky mat]

I was wondering if anyone was working on porting Ruby 1.9(.0-3) for
GTA01/02.
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Re: USB Networking troubles

[michael cole]

Hi Andrew,

First thanks to all for replying.

These changes worked.

The essence of the change is rather simple -- move the Freerunner to a
different network from the LAN's netwrok
1)  (in my case from 192.168.1.202 to 192.168.2.202)
2) allow the desktop machine to talk to 192.168.2.202
3) do the masquerading to the 192.168.2.* network.

So on my Freerunner /etc/network/interfaces includes:

# Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
# ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
auto usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.2.202
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.2.0
gateway 192.168.2.200
# orig:
#   up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 >/etc/resolv.conf
# using home (nimiq.net)
up echo nameserver 207.235.125.4 >/etc/resolv.conf

on the desktop  /etc/network/interfaces includes:
allow-hotplug usb0
iface usb0 inet static
address 192.168.2.200
netmask 255.255.255.192
post-up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.2.192/26
post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
post-up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
pre-down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
192.168.2.192/26

The page at Openmoko on USB Networking should be updated to make clear
the selection of the network for the desktop-freerunner connection
should be different than the rest of the LAN.

Thanks again to everyone.

Michael

Is this a typo on the page @ Openmoko

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Andrew C. Dingman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This is posted with the hope someone can look at the current state of
>> my Freerunner connection to the desktop and just see something that is
>> not right. I am sure the answer is simple and am reluctant to ask the
>> community for non-FR help but perhaps others are struggling with
>> similar network issues in getting their FR hooked up to the Internet.
>>
>> My basic setup:
>> router - 192.168.1.1
>> desktop - 192.168.1.200
>> freerunner - 192.168.1.202
>
> You mean it looks something like this:
>
> 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.200  192.168.1.202
> routerswitch---desktop--freerunner
> /
>/
>   other_stuff
>   192.168.1.x
>
> and everything on the left has a netmask of 255.255.255.0?
>
> If that's so forget about the FreeRunner talking to anything but the
> desktop. In fact, be suprised and grateful if it's doing that much. The
> routing table you gave is horrible and it will stop working if you
> re-start the non-usb network interface on your machine. You need
> different subnets on the two desktop NICs to have any hope. The only
> possible way around this fact is to use ethernet bridging instead of
> routing on the desktop, and that's such an ugly hack that I refuse to
> work up directions for configuring it. I've never seen it done on a
> network that worked right.
>
> Your desktop needs to act as a ROUTER for the FreeRunner. A router by
> definition is connected to two or more *different* networks. From the
> perspective of the stuff on the left, the 192.168.1.192/26 subnet the
> FreeRunner is on is not a different network - it's a few addresses on
> the same network. (This is what netmasks are about. Basically, they tell
> the computer how big the neighborhood is.) Which means they aren't
> sending packets for the FreeRunner through the desktop, they're just
> ARPing and expecting the FreeRunner to respond, but since it's on a
> different network, it can't hear the ARPs. Packets from the FreeRunner
> probably do reach their destinations, but the reply packets don't come
> back, which means you don't get a ping response and can't establish any
> kind of connection.
>
> The easiest way to fix this is probably to use your half-working setup
> to SSH into the FreeRunner and reconfigure it to use, say,
> 192.168.2.202, then do the same with the desktop side of the USB
> ethernet connection. Then kill the iptables rules in your nat table
> POSTROUTING chain. You can either:
>
> 1) Leave them gone and put a static route to 192.168.2.192/26 in your
> router, specifying your desktop's 192.168.1.x address as the gateway
>
> OR (exclusive, do not do both of these things)
>
> 2) specify on the desktop an iptables rule to NAT all packets coming
> from the USB network - something like 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s
> 192.168.2.192/26 -j MASQUERADE'.
>
> Whichever you choose, you'll need the FORWARD chain in the filter table
> in its current permissive state. You'll also want to double-check that
> sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1. The simplest way to check this is
> 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
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Om2008.8 release today?

[sparky mat]

Is the Om2008.8 release being targeted for today? I think I read somewhere
that it will be on 08 August '08 (08/08/08) . Here's to hoping it is.
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Porting Ruby 1.9 to Openmoko

[sparky mat]

I tried compiling Ruby 1.9.0-3 (
ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.0-3.tar.gz) with the following
commands:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr
--host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi
make

When I examine the executables created (using 'file ') it
shows its a x86 binary. Also, I checked the build logs and I see that though
it tries to take the libraries from the path specified in --prefix, it skips
them and continues (to the x86 ones in /usr/lib/ i guess).

So in conclusion, the 'CC', 'LD' , etc. are all pointing to the ones in
'/usr/bin' . How do I change this? Do I manually change them in the
Makefile? Do I pass CC='' LD=''  to
./configure? If so, don't I need to pass other commands too? Which all and
isn't there a better way?
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Re: Om2008.8 release today?

[Lech Karol Pawłaszek]

sparky mat wrote:
> Is the Om2008.8 release being targeted for today? I think I read 
> somewhere that it will be on 08 August '08 (08/08/08) . Here's to hoping 
> it is.

Well. It's become available a few minutes ago. I am still waiting for 
official announcement.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/

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Re: Porting Ruby 1.9 to Openmoko

[Cesar Eduardo Barros]

sparky mat escreveu:
> I tried compiling Ruby 1.9.0-3 
> (ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.0-3.tar.gz) with the 
> following commands:
> 
> ./configure 
> --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr 
> --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi
> make
> 
> When I examine the executables created (using 'file ') 
> it shows its a x86 binary. Also, I checked the build logs and I see that 
> though it tries to take the libraries from the path specified in 
> --prefix, it skips them and continues (to the x86 ones in /usr/lib/ i 
> guess).
> 
> So in conclusion, the 'CC', 'LD' , etc. are all pointing to the ones in 
> '/usr/bin' . How do I change this? Do I manually change them in the 
> Makefile? Do I pass CC='' LD=''  to 
> ./configure? If so, don't I need to pass other commands too? Which all 
> and isn't there a better way?

You should at least change the PATH to include where the cross-compiler 
is (if you are using MokoMakefile/OE/bitbake, check one of the 
build/tmp/work/*/*/temp/run.* files for a good value for PATH). If that 
isn't enough for configure to autodetect the cross-compiler, you might 
have to pass CC=, LD=, and so on to configure (but I'd try without them 
first, hoping configure is smart enough to try to call $(HOST)-gcc first 
before trying gcc).

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Re: Porting Ruby 1.9 to Openmoko

[sparky mat]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:28 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I tried compiling Ruby 1.9.0-3 (
> ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.9/ruby-1.9.0-3.tar.gz) with the
> following commands:
>
> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr
> --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi
> make
>
> When I examine the executables created (using 'file ') it
> shows its a x86 binary. Also, I checked the build logs and I see that though
> it tries to take the libraries from the path specified in --prefix, it skips
> them and continues (to the x86 ones in /usr/lib/ i guess).
>
> So in conclusion, the 'CC', 'LD' , etc. are all pointing to the ones in
> '/usr/bin' . How do I change this? Do I manually change them in the
> Makefile? Do I pass CC='' LD=''  to
> ./configure? If so, don't I need to pass other commands too? Which all and
> isn't there a better way?
>

By altering the value of CC in the Makefile, I made some more progress. It
compiled miniruby. However, it tries to execute miniruby in the next step
and here we fail. I am not very familiar with the Ruby codebase and building
it. Is anyone aware what miniruby is?
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Re: Om2008.8 release today?

[sparky mat]

>
> Well. It's become available a few minutes ago. I am still waiting for
> official announcement.
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/
>
> Kind regards,
>

Yipee!!!
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Re: Om2008.8 release today?

[andylockran]

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sparky mat wrote:
> Well. It's become available a few minutes ago. I am still waiting for
> official announcement.
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> 
> Yipee!!!
> 

Should be getting my neo1973 back this week after it spent 6 months
travelling around a few LUGS and the Ubuntu-uk community.

(slight exaggeration, but you get my drift).

Once I get a microSD card, can I run om2008.08 on my 1973?

Regards,

Andy
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Re: Om2008.8 release today?

[thomasg]

To all that tested the release and are disappointed by the graphical
performance: You should really install kdrive-xglamo, to get the accelerated
Xserver. It's no fun without it.
In case someone of Openmoko reads this: I think you really should ship the
GTA02 images with kdrive-xglamo by default, Xfbdev is really slow and
doesn't make a good impression (especially 3rd party press tends to use the
plain release images without knowing anything about it).

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM, andylockran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> sparky mat wrote:
> > Well. It's become available a few minutes ago. I am still waiting for
> > official announcement.
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
> > http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >
> > Yipee!!!
> >
>
> Should be getting my neo1973 back this week after it spent 6 months
> travelling around a few LUGS and the Ubuntu-uk community.
>
> (slight exaggeration, but you get my drift).
>
> Once I get a microSD card, can I run om2008.08 on my 1973?
>
> Regards,
>
> Andy
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Re: Om2008.8 release today?

[thomasg]

Ah, dammit, wrong device. That one was running the qtopia-x11 release from
yesterday.
Om2008.8 comes with Xglamo by default. My apologies.

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 1:49 PM, thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> To all that tested the release and are disappointed by the graphical
> performance: You should really install kdrive-xglamo, to get the accelerated
> Xserver. It's no fun without it.
> In case someone of Openmoko reads this: I think you really should ship the
> GTA02 images with kdrive-xglamo by default, Xfbdev is really slow and
> doesn't make a good impression (especially 3rd party press tends to use the
> plain release images without knowing anything about it).
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM, andylockran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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>>
>> sparky mat wrote:
>> > Well. It's become available a few minutes ago. I am still waiting
>> for
>> > official announcement.
>> >
>> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
>> > http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> >
>> > Yipee!!!
>> >
>>
>> Should be getting my neo1973 back this week after it spent 6 months
>> travelling around a few LUGS and the Ubuntu-uk community.
>>
>> (slight exaggeration, but you get my drift).
>>
>> Once I get a microSD card, can I run om2008.08 on my 1973?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andy
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Om2008.8 - Issues

[sparky mat]

 I found the following issues while trying out the Om2008.8 release.

1) Phone - It doesn't connect to my phone (GSM) network out-of-the-box.
Om2007.2 had no trouble finding and connecting to my GSM network.
2) Installer - Doesn't connect. USB networking is setup correctly. opkg and
wget work fine.
3) Messaging - The qwerty keypad has no backspace/delete key. Also, I can't
see any way to access the numeric/special keys. Am I missing something here?
4) Keypad - If I have 3+ applications open, the keypad obscures the 'remove'
line in the drop-down menu
5) Settings - Previously, I could change the icon style/size from Exposure
(from the daily builds). Has this been removed?
6) Battery level indicator - Is there one? I just see a lightning icon on
the status bar and its there even if the cable is not plugged in.


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Re: Om2008.8 - Issues

[sparky mat]

>
>
> 2) Installer - Doesn't connect. USB networking is setup correctly. opkg and
> wget work fine.
>

My bad. Assumption that opkg and wget work were based on yesterday's daily
build. They weren't. Found out that /etc/resolv.conf is empty. Why so? I'd
assume that "nameserver 192.168.0.200" should be defaulted in.
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Re: USB Networking troubles

[Andrew C. Dingman]

On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:32 -0400, michael cole wrote:
> First thanks to all for replying.
> 
> These changes worked.

Glad it helped. I hope the IP routing mini-lecture made clear *why* :)

> So on my Freerunner /etc/network/interfaces includes:
> 
> # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
> # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
> auto usb0
> iface usb0 inet static
>   address 192.168.2.202
>   netmask 255.255.255.0
>   network 192.168.2.0
>   gateway 192.168.2.200
> # orig:
> # up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 >/etc/resolv.conf
> # using home (nimiq.net)
>   up echo nameserver 207.235.125.4 >/etc/resolv.conf
> 
> on the desktop  /etc/network/interfaces includes:
> allow-hotplug usb0
> iface usb0 inet static
> address 192.168.2.200
> netmask 255.255.255.192
> post-up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 
> 192.168.2.192/26
> post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> post-up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
> pre-down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
> 192.168.2.192/26

Almost right, and in fact this configuration won't break in practice
because you can't plug additional devices into your USB network.
However, the FreeRunner and the desktop really *should* agree about the
netmask. You have the FreeRunner thinking its local network includes 256
addresses (192.168.2.0-255), and the desktop thinking that the network
it and the FreeRunner live in includes only 64 (192.168.2.192-255). If
you choose to fix this on the desktop by using the 255.255.255.0
netmask, you'll also want to fix the masquerade rule to specify
192.168.2.192/24, as the /n part indicates a netmask with binary 1 in
the n most significant bits. (255.255.255.0 == binary IP 
  . 255.255.255.192 == binary  
 1100)

If you want to play with this stuff a bit more, you might be interested
in a tool called 'gip' that you can install on your desktop with
'apt-get install gip'. It lets you enter IPs and netmasks in any of the
normal forms and shows you the resulting network sizes and binary,
hexadecimal, and decimal representations of the results.
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Re: Om2008.8 - Issues

[rakshat hooja]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I found the following issues while trying out the Om2008.8 release.
>
>
> 3) Messaging - The qwerty keypad has no backspace/delete key. Also, I can't
> see any way to access the numeric/special keys. Am I missing something here?
>

Try sliding finger towards left for del. flick keyboard upwards for numeric
keypad.



>
> 6) Battery level indicator - Is there one? I just see a lightning icon on
> the status bar and its there even if the cable is not plugged in.
>

Paining error i think, reboot and see if it is still there.

Rakshat



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Re: Om2008.8 - Issues

[William Kenworthy]

On the top bar I have a small clock and some that looks like two small
blobs, one on top of the other - what are they trying to tell me?

BillK

On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 18:04 +0530, sparky mat wrote:
> 
> 2) Installer - Doesn't connect. USB networking is setup
> correctly. opkg and wget work fine.
> 
> 
> My bad. Assumption that opkg and wget work were based on yesterday's
> daily build. They weren't. Found out that /etc/resolv.conf is empty.
> Why so? I'd assume that "nameserver 192.168.0.200" should be defaulted
> in.
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Re: Om2008.8 - Issues

[sparky mat]

7) Keyboard - Predictive keyboard is nice. But there should be an option to
turn it off. And where are my 'ctrl','alt' and 'shift' :-D .. Terminal is
useless without these.
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Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available but 2007 and FSO 2 do?

[Rorschach]

I just found out about the support-ml so I repost my issue here:

I flashed the new kernel and image but if I boot now I'm not getting asked for 
a pin. There's no gsm in 2008.8 for me but with 2007 Image or the FSO 2 GSM is 
working just fine. Wheren can I look for the problem?

There are no logs in /var/log and also dmesg| grep -i gsm shows absolutly 
nothing. Also find . -name gsmd from the root-dir doesn't find anything ?? I 
flashed these images:
http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.rootfs.jffs2
http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/Om2008.8.uImage.bin
and flashing worked fine without any errors.


What is going wrong?


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Could someone explain me the + + + and the * at the bottom of the screen (Om 2008.8) ?

[Rorschach]

I just found out about the support-ml so I repost my issue here:

Hi,
in every menu I have at the bottom of the screen three + and left a * sign. I 
can't find out any funcionality with these things? What is their puprose?


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2008.8 - issues

[William Kenworthy]

The installer text is so large it scrolls off the screen so you cant
tell what the apps are!

BillK

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2008.8 - issue

[William Kenworthy]

How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh
how I *HATE* predictive text :(

Is there a way to kill it?

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Re: Om2008.8 release today?

[Kevin Zuber]

I just installed the OM 2008.8 and there is no package kdrive-xglamo,
only "xserver-kdrive-glamo - 1:1.3.0.0+git2838
4147f80c0bfedaff7749bccbd1e1d566dee0e04c-r6 -" which is already
installed. Do I need an extra repo for xglamo? Or is that what I have
already? Any way to check acceleration?

Am Freitag, den 08.08.2008, 13:49 +0200 schrieb thomasg:
> To all that tested the release and are disappointed by the graphical
> performance: You should really install kdrive-xglamo, to get the
> accelerated Xserver. It's no fun without it.
> In case someone of Openmoko reads this: I think you really should ship
> the GTA02 images with kdrive-xglamo by default, Xfbdev is really slow
> and doesn't make a good impression (especially 3rd party press tends
> to use the plain release images without knowing anything about it).
> 
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 1:11 PM, andylockran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> sparky mat wrote:
> > Well. It's become available a few minutes ago. I am
> still waiting for
> > official announcement.
> >
> > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8
> > http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8/
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> >
> > Yipee!!!
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> 
> Should be getting my neo1973 back this week after it spent 6
> months
> travelling around a few LUGS and the Ubuntu-uk community.
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> (slight exaggeration, but you get my drift).
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> Once I get a microSD card, can I run om2008.08 on my 1973?
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Re: 2008.8 - issue

[rakshat hooja]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh
> how I *HATE* predictive text :(
>
> Is there a way to kill it?
>
> BillK
>
> if you keep pressing a key for sometime only that letter should be typed.
so you press "a" and then press "m" and hold it for 2 sec and then press "p"
and hold it for 2 sec.

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Re: 2008.8 - issues

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On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 21:15 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> The installer text is so large it scrolls off the screen so you cant
> tell what the apps are!
> 
> BillK
> 

With my eyes I like the large font but it near impossible to use.

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Re: 2008.8 - issues

[Aaron Sowry]

If you click on an app the text along the top of the following screen 
should give you a clue as to what it is

Aaron

William Kenworthy wrote:
> The installer text is so large it scrolls off the screen so you cant
> tell what the apps are!
>
> BillK
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Re: 2008.8 - issue

[William Kenworthy]

On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 21:21 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh
> how I *HATE* predictive text :(
> 
> Is there a way to kill it?
> 
> BillK
> 

Still want to kill it - preferably permanently.  I cant believe anyone
thought this was a good idea :(

Also looks like there is no backspace key to even try to fix the mess it
makes of text.

I'll have to ignore the terminal until someone fixes it up .

BillK




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Re: 2008.8 - issue

[thomasg]

Well, I just cannot imagine why the hell they are shipping with
qtopia-keyboard when the great illume-keyboard is available and working.

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 3:33 PM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 21:21 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> > How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh
> > how I *HATE* predictive text :(
> >
> > Is there a way to kill it?
> >
> > BillK
> >
>
> Still want to kill it - preferably permanently.  I cant believe anyone
> thought this was a good idea :(
>
> Also looks like there is no backspace key to even try to fix the mess it
> makes of text.
>
> I'll have to ignore the terminal until someone fixes it up .
>
> BillK
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Re: 2008.8 - issue

[Peter Abplanalp]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:33 AM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 21:21 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> > How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh
> > how I *HATE* predictive text :(
> >
> > Is there a way to kill it?
>

+1 for killing the current keyboard.

i suggest the keyboard from FSO.  i like the full qwerty option on that one
as well as the interface for changing keyboards.


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Re: 2008.8 - issue

[rakshat hooja]

>
> Still want to kill it - preferably permanently.  I cant believe anyone
> thought this was a good idea :(
>
> Also looks like there is no backspace key to even try to fix the mess it
> makes of text.
>
> I'll have to ignore the terminal until someone fixes it up .
>
> BillK
>
>  
>

Slide finger back to del.

FSO  has a  full qwerty  (qtopia?/Illume?/raster rewrite?) with predictive
off so i am so I am sure there is a way switch to it.

That keyboard is great  (using it now on the Neo)


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Re: 2008.8 - issue

[sparky mat]

+2 for killing the current keyboard

On 8/8/08, Peter Abplanalp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:33 AM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 21:21 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
>> > How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh
>> > how I *HATE* predictive text :(
>> >
>> > Is there a way to kill it?
>>
>
> +1 for killing the current keyboard.
>
> i suggest the keyboard from FSO.  i like the full qwerty option on that one
> as well as the interface for changing keyboards.
>
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2008.8 : Can receive calls but cannot call

[Julien Cassignol]

Hi everyone,

I thought I give a try and install 2008.8. I had a certain number of problems :

1) Pin isn't asked for each time (4-5 reboots), even if I launch an
application which needs PIN (dialer).
2) Dialer says "No network" on each call, whereas I succesfully entered my PIN.
3) I can receive calls, and just after that, I can't call !

Sounds quite mystical to me. Any ideas ?

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Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available but 2007 and FSO 2 do?

[Rorschach]

really noone any idea?? Is there a way I can manually force the questioning for 
the pin? How is the applications (binary) name which asks for the pin?


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Re: 2008.8 : Can receive calls but cannot call

[Daniel Aeberli]

+1

entered pin, can receive calls but not dial out!

Julien Cassignol a écrit :
> Hi everyone,
>
> I thought I give a try and install 2008.8. I had a certain number of problems 
> :
>
> 1) Pin isn't asked for each time (4-5 reboots), even if I launch an
> application which needs PIN (dialer).
> 2) Dialer says "No network" on each call, whereas I succesfully entered my 
> PIN.
> 3) I can receive calls, and just after that, I can't call !
>
> Sounds quite mystical to me. Any ideas ?
>
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Re: 2008.8 : Can receive calls but cannot call

[Thomas B.]

On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 04:34:15PM +0200, Julien Cassignol wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I thought I give a try and install 2008.8. I had a certain number of problems 
> :
> 
> 1) Pin isn't asked for each time (4-5 reboots), even if I launch an
> application which needs PIN (dialer).
> 2) Dialer says "No network" on each call, whereas I succesfully entered my 
> PIN.
> 3) I can receive calls, and just after that, I can't call !

I haven't had any of those problems yet, but when I just tried to call
my own landline to check whether I can call from my Freerunner, the
following weird thing happened:

I entered my number in my Freerunner's dialer, clicked "Call", and my
landline phone started ringing. Then I clicked "End call" on the
Freerunner to cancel, but my landline phone kept ringing! It just
wouldn't stop ringing, until I went to the phone and picked up, heard
nothing, and ended the call there.

Can anyone confirm this?

Regards,
Thomas

PS: Otherwise, OM2008.8 looks great! Good work!


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Re: Is this the SIM card Hardware problem?

[Tim Dobson]

Tim Dobson wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -v -m atcmd
> libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
> 
> cme error: 100
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313
> cme error: 313

Does anyone know what "cme error: 313" and "cme error: 100" refer to?

Tim

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Non-descript subject lines (was 2008.8 - issue)

[Dylan Semler]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:21 AM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh
> how I *HATE* predictive text :(
>
> Is there a way to kill it?
>

By the way, "2008.2 - Issue" is a /horrible/ subject name.  Try to be
descriptive so that

a) people can find these conversations later when searching the archives
b) people can decide which emails to read

Can you imagine If everyone sent emails with subjects like that?

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Re: Non-descript subject lines (was 2008.8 - issue)

[Dylan Semler]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Dylan Semler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:21 AM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh
>> how I *HATE* predictive text :(
>>
>> Is there a way to kill it?
>>
>
> By the way, "2008.2 - Issue" is a /horrible/ subject name.  Try to be
> descriptive so that
>
> a) people can find these conversations later when searching the archives
> b) people can decide which emails to read
>
> Can you imagine If everyone sent emails with subjects like that?
>
>
Bah!  Sorry, I didn't see sparky's original thread that listed the multiple
issues he was having.  That is slightly less of an offence, but I'd still
suggest changing the subject name when replying/focusing on a single issue.

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Re: 2008.8 : Can receive calls but cannot call

[Rune Gangstø]

I had something similar with the standard image. I made a call to
landline, hang up on the freerunner and the landline phone kept
ringing. I couldn't get it to stop ringing even if I ended the call at
the landline phone. I had to pick up the call.
I haven't got the same with the 2008.8

2008/8/8 Thomas B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 04:34:15PM +0200, Julien Cassignol wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I thought I give a try and install 2008.8. I had a certain number of 
>> problems :
>>
>> 1) Pin isn't asked for each time (4-5 reboots), even if I launch an
>> application which needs PIN (dialer).
>> 2) Dialer says "No network" on each call, whereas I succesfully entered my 
>> PIN.
>> 3) I can receive calls, and just after that, I can't call !
>
> I haven't had any of those problems yet, but when I just tried to call
> my own landline to check whether I can call from my Freerunner, the
> following weird thing happened:
>
> I entered my number in my Freerunner's dialer, clicked "Call", and my
> landline phone started ringing. Then I clicked "End call" on the
> Freerunner to cancel, but my landline phone kept ringing! It just
> wouldn't stop ringing, until I went to the phone and picked up, heard
> nothing, and ended the call there.
>
> Can anyone confirm this?
>
> Regards,
> Thomas
>
> PS: Otherwise, OM2008.8 looks great! Good work!
>
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Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available but 2007 and FSO 2 do?

[leo.studer]

I encountered the same kind of issues with GSM, no logs and lack of gsmd, I
would be happy to know how to contribute to debugging this, shall we write a
bug report or something ?


Rorschach wrote:
> 
> really noone any idea?? Is there a way I can manually force the
> questioning for the pin? How is the applications (binary) name which asks
> for the pin?
> 

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Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available but 2007 and FSO 2 do?

[Rorschach]

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:30:05 -0700 (PDT)
"leo.studer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I encountered the same kind of issues with GSM, no logs and lack of gsmd, I
> would be happy to know how to contribute to debugging this, shall we write a
> bug report or something ?

I already opened one: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1765

It would be nice if you could confirm it there so the developers know that it 
happens to more people. If you have more information than me also post them to 
the bugreport.

thanks Rorschach


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Re: Non-descript subject lines

[Esben Stien]

"Dylan Semler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I didn't see sparky's original thread 

Well, the original thread was still at fault. The OP should have
posted a new mail for each issue.

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FSO compile error

[Matt Margush]

Hi,

I'm getting this error trying to compile FSO with Mokomakefile, and am
wondering if anyone has seen it?

Thanks,

Matt

NOTE: package zhone-.0.0+gitr900105c27bd176fdca4e8f896b2c8221181491de-r7:task
do_compile: started
ERROR: function do_compile failed
ERROR: log data follows
(/home/matt/workspace/fso/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/zhone-.0.0+gitr900105c27bd176fdca4e8f896b2c8221181491de-r7/temp/log.do_compile.7526)
| /home/matt/workspace/fso/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/python:
can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
| FATAL: python setup.py build_ext execution failed.
NOTE: Task failed:
/home/matt/workspace/fso/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/zhone-0.0.0+gitr900105c27bd176fdca4e8f896b2c8221181491de-r7/temp/log.do_compile.7526
NOTE: package zhone-0.0.0+gitr900105c27bd176fdca4e8f896b2c8221181491de-r7:
task do_compile: failed
ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting
NOTE: package zhone-0.0.0+gitr900105c27bd176fdca4e8f896b2c8221181491de: failed
ERROR: Build of
/home/matt/workspace/fso/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb
do_compile failed
ERROR: Task 868
(/home/matt/workspace/fso/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb,do_compile)
failed
NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 4053 tasks of which 0 didn't need to be
rerun and 1 failed.
ERROR: 
'/home/matt/workspace/fso/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/zhone_git.bb'
failed
NOTE: build 200808072105: completed
make: *** [fso-image] Error 1

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OM2008.08 - Charging indicator?

[Steven **]

How can I tell/make sure my Freerunner is actually charging?
There is what appears to be a lightning bolt in the top right corner,
but that's there whether it's plugged in or not.

And, since it goes into suspend after a short timeout (30 seconds?),
does it continue to charge during suspend?

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Re: Is anyone working on Ruby 1.9 for GTA01/02 ?

[Jim Morris]

sparky mat wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone was working on porting Ruby 1.9(.0-3) for 
> GTA01/02.

Now I have mokomakefile working, I was going to port 1,8,6 although 1.8.5 is 
available as an ipkg 
but is missing essential libraries.

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Re: Is anyone working on Ruby 1.9 for GTA01/02 ?

[sparky mat]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> sparky mat wrote:
> > I was wondering if anyone was working on porting Ruby 1.9(.0-3) for
> > GTA01/02.
>
> Now I have mokomakefile working, I was going to port 1,8,6 although 1.8.5
> is available as an ipkg
> but is missing essential libraries.
>

I just felt that 1.9 would make more sense given that on the mobile,
interpreting would be quite a bit slower. If you can help me get started, I
will try and port 1.9.0-3.
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Re: OM2008.08 - Charging indicator?

[Rorschach]

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:46:30 -0500
"Steven **" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How can I tell/make sure my Freerunner is actually charging?
> There is what appears to be a lightning bolt in the top right corner,
> but that's there whether it's plugged in or not.

This icon seems to be useless at the moment. Something is broken with the 
battery-driver just take a look at the dmesg it's full of errors because of 
that. The only way I'm aware of for the moment to check how fulle your battery 
is, is:

cat /sys/devices/platform/bq2700-battery.0/power_supply/bat/capacity

which shows the percentage of how much it's loaded.

> And, since it goes into suspend after a short timeout (30 seconds?),
> does it continue to charge during suspend?

No ideo about that sorry.



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Re: OM2008.08 - Charging indicator?

[Rorschach]

Sry I misread your post. Knowing if it's charging or not goes with the command:

cat /sys/devices/platform/bq2700-battery.0/power_supply/bat/status

Also here the bug is responsilbe for no gui-view of this information.


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Re: 2008.8 - issue

[Dale Maggee]

William Kenworthy wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 21:21 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
>   
>> How do you type something like "apm" into the terminal application? - oh
>> how I *HATE* predictive text :(
>>
>> Is there a way to kill it?
>>
>> BillK
>>
>> 
>
> Still want to kill it - preferably permanently.  I cant believe anyone
> thought this was a good idea :(
>
> Also looks like there is no backspace key to even try to fix the mess it
> makes of text.
>
> I'll have to ignore the terminal until someone fixes it up .
>
> BillK
>   

I'm right there with ya, bill - it's very pretty, but the predictive 
text is *so* annoying! seems pretty unneccessary for a qwerty keyboard 
to me - I thought it was interesting to learn that when i typed in 
'internode', I actually meant 'interview'?!? :O

Also I find the way it automatically adds spaces to be annoying, not 
very good in a terminal.

It's a *big* improvement in terms of finger-pressability over the 
matchbox keyboard on 2007.2, and it's *much* prettier, but the 
predictive text makes it more difficult to use, especially in a terminal.

I'd also really like to see an enter key on the qwerty page, and maybe 
(I know I'm pushing it here) a couple of the most commonly used symbols 
such as hyphen and period on the qwerty page.

-Dale

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Re: OM2008.08 - Charging indicator?

[Andy Green]

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| How can I tell/make sure my Freerunner is actually charging?
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| but that's there whether it's plugged in or not.
|
| And, since it goes into suspend after a short timeout (30 seconds?),
| does it continue to charge during suspend?

This is my fault, I broke it in the kernel yesterday.  It'll be fixed in
kernel update in the next couple of days.

For charging in suspend, yes, the charger in PMU is autonomous.  If you
change plugged state of USB cable, it will wake, otherwise it will stay
in charging readiness state that it was in before suspend during suspend.

During suspend same as during wake, separate charging state machine in
the PMU determines when charging starts and finishes, so it is pretty
unaffected by suspend action.

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neo freerunner freezes when gps turned on

[Vimal Joseph]

Hi,

I'v posted a problem of frequent freezing of Neo Freerunner.
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/support/2008-August/000926.html

It turned out that the problem is with the gps. As the system freezes
after some time whenever i turnd the gps on. The problem was not there
with the qtopia image may be because the driver for gps is not there
in qtopia (I'm not very sure about this).

I'v just installed the 2008.8 image and the phone freezes whenever i
turned the gps on. With in few seconds the screen freezes and nothing
works till i remove the battery.

Is any one having same symptoms? What can be the problem?


regards,

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Re: OM2008.08 - Charging indicator?

[Andy Green]

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| Also here the bug is responsilbe for no gui-view of this information.

Yep.

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Compiling C on the phone

[Dirk Bergstrom]

I installed 2008.8 today, and after playing around with it for an hour 
or so, I set out to install kedpm, a pygtk password manager.  I 
installed pygtk and friends, but I ran into trouble trying to get 
pycrypto installed.  It has a bunch of C extensions that need to be 
compiled.

After a few hours banging my head on the desk, I have so far installed 
the following packages:

python-devel
python-setuptools
gcc
cpp
cpp-symlinks
gcc-symlinks
libc6-dev

But I'm stuck at this point:

# gcc hello.c
gcc: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory

Also, there is no 'ld' to be found on the phone, so I'm sure I'll need 
that as well.

Is there a package or packages I can install to get everything I need to 
build python C extentions on the phone?  Is there a way to build them on 
my linux machine that doesn't require building the entire openmoko 
distribution first?

Failing that, does anyone have a pycrypto package I can download?

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Re: Om 2008.8 doesn't ask for my pin so no gsm available but 2007 and FSO 2 do?

[Rolf Camps]

Op vrijdag 08-08-2008 om 19:15 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Rorschach:
> It would be nice if you could confirm it there so the developers know
> that it happens to more people.

Same with me, only asked one time for the pin in more then 12 boots. Al
worked fine with 2007.2?

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Re: Is anyone working on Ruby 1.9 for GTA01/02 ?

[Jim Morris]

sparky mat wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> sparky mat wrote:
>  > I was wondering if anyone was working on porting Ruby 1.9(.0-3) for
>  > GTA01/02.
> 
> Now I have mokomakefile working, I was going to port 1,8,6 although
> 1.8.5 is available as an ipkg
> but is missing essential libraries.
> 
> 
> I just felt that 1.9 would make more sense given that on the mobile, 
> interpreting would be quite a bit slower. If you can help me get 
> started, I will try and port 1.9.0-3.

A good start would be to look at the bb for the current ruby 1.8.5 on OE, it 
should have most of the 
changes needed, at least that is what I was going to do. I can't start until 
the weekend though as 
my real job requires me to spend some time looking at it rather than the FR ;)



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phone not registering on the network

[xaos x]

after installing om2008.8, the gta02 will not register on the network. after 
three reboots, i was finally able to get ssh to respond and, upon logging in, 
could not find gsmd anywhere. is gsmd still used in om2008.8? if not, how do we 
go about registering on the network?

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Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8

[Dirk Bergstrom]

Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8?  If not, I'd 
like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now.

I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the 
predictive text feature.  Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it 
would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, 
which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the 
same page.

I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't 
need a finger-friendly keyboard.  It might be nice to occasionally have 
one, but it's a *very* low priority for me.

I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser: 
unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part 
numbers and the like.  In other words, almost nothing I type will 
benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance).

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Re: Is this the SIM card Hardware problem?

[Tim Dobson]

Tim Dobson wrote:
> Tim Dobson wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -v -m atcmd
>> libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
>> This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
>>
>> cme error: 100
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
>> cme error: 313
> 
> Does anyone know what "cme error: 313" and "cme error: 100" refer to?

:(
http://activexperts.com/activsms/sms/gsmerrorcodes/
implies that

error 313 is "sim error" and error "100" is unknown error.

doesn't look to good for me and my sim.

Tim

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Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8

[Dale Maggee]

+1

This sums my feelings up exactly

Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
> Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8?  If not, I'd 
> like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now.
>
> I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the 
> predictive text feature.  Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it 
> would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, 
> which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the 
> same page.
>
> I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't 
> need a finger-friendly keyboard.  It might be nice to occasionally have 
> one, but it's a *very* low priority for me.
>
> I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser: 
> unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part 
> numbers and the like.  In other words, almost nothing I type will 
> benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance).
>
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2008.8 - how to get wifi connection

[digger vermont]

Okay I give up.  I can't figure out how to get a wifi connection in
2008.8

In settings -> wifi I've tried selecting an open network and nothing
seem to happen.

If I try an network encrypted with wpa I get a dialog to enter a
password.  It's pretty difficult to key in a long pass-phrase so I tried
entering a random string.  after I press OK I again get no indication
that it is trying to connect.

Looking around I found a configuration file,
var/lib/connman/xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx.conf

---
[Config]
Policy=auto
LastNetwork=loosE

[loosE]
PSK=
--

It looks simple enough.  I tried manually adding the wpa pass-phrase at
"PSK="   I tried both the alphanumeric pass-phrase and also the hex
version of it.  Also with and without quotes. But that didn't seem to
have any effect.

Is there something I'm missing? Anything else I can try?  Is there a
link to how connmand works?  If not I'll make up a ticket.

Thanks,

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Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8

[Yorick Moko]

+100

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> +1
>
> This sums my feelings up exactly
>
> Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
>> Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8?  If not, I'd
>> like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now.
>>
>> I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the
>> predictive text feature.  Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it
>> would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard,
>> which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the
>> same page.
>>
>> I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't
>> need a finger-friendly keyboard.  It might be nice to occasionally have
>> one, but it's a *very* low priority for me.
>>
>> I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser:
>> unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part
>> numbers and the like.  In other words, almost nothing I type will
>> benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance).
>>
>> --
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Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8

[Benito Torres]

On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 06:22 (+1000), Dale Maggee wrote:
> +1

+1

The present keyboard is nice for showing off and pleasing the eye but to
it's only useful in specific situations like writing sms, not for
generic operation on a linux system. As this is not an iPhone I'd prefer
to have a fully functional keyboard.

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Re: 2008.8 - how to get wifi connection

[Cliff Brake]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 4:54 PM, digger vermont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay I give up.  I can't figure out how to get a wifi connection in
> 2008.8

The following instructions got me on a WPA wifi network:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking

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Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8

[Peter Rasmussen]

Could we please also get a qwerty keyboard on the GTA01? I don't have a 
GTA02.
I complained when it was changed, but it didn't seem to matter to the 
people making the general releases.
And when given the choice of a qwerty keyboard, shouldn't international 
characters be of some priority?

Peter

Yorick Moko wrote:
> +100
>
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> +1
>>
>> This sums my feelings up exactly
>>
>> Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
>> 
>>> Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8?  If not, I'd
>>> like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now.
>>>
>>> I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the
>>> predictive text feature.  Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it
>>> would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard,
>>> which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the
>>> same page.
>>>
>>> I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't
>>> need a finger-friendly keyboard.  It might be nice to occasionally have
>>> one, but it's a *very* low priority for me.
>>>
>>> I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser:
>>> unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part
>>> numbers and the like.  In other words, almost nothing I type will
>>> benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance).
>>>
>>> --
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Re: 2008.08.08 ASU - Can't See Wifi

[Cry Regarder]

Problem with ASU release:

The diversity wifi app doesn't find any access points.

Under settings, the status of wifi is set to "unknown" and there doesn't appear 
to be any options to change it.

Suggestions on getting wifi working for this release?

Thanks!

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Re: 2008.08.08 ASU - How to close application?

[Cry Regarder]

How do you exit a running program in ASU?  Is there any way easier then 
clicking the down triangle and choosing "REMOVE"?  

How is the user supposed to guess that "REMOVE" = "CLOSE VISIBLE APPLICATION"?

Thanks,

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Re: 2008.08.08 ASU - GUI Locks up in about 6 seconds

[Cry Regarder]

Why does the GUI lock up (suspend/hybernate)? in about six seconds?  

Why does this suspend usb0 operation?  

How do I unsuspend?  The only technique so far found is to unplug and replug 
the usb cable?

My work-around is to disable suspend in the settings application.

By the way, how do I close the settings application once it has been opened?

Thanks!

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Re: 2008.08.08 ASU - GUI Locks up in about 6 seconds

[Dale Maggee]

If you press the power button for about a second, it should come out of 
suspend.

you'll have no audio, though... :(

-Dale

Cry Regarder wrote:
> Why does the GUI lock up (suspend/hybernate)? in about six seconds?  
>
> Why does this suspend usb0 operation?  
>
> How do I unsuspend?  The only technique so far found is to unplug and replug 
> the usb cable?
>
> My work-around is to disable suspend in the settings application.
>
> By the way, how do I close the settings application once it has been opened?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cry
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Re: Om2008.8 release today?

[Tim Dobson]

andylockran wrote:
> Once I get a microSD card, can I run om2008.08 on my 1973?

Hi andy,

There are images:

http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200808/20080807/

So I assume so...

I'm not saying i recommend it my any means...

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2008.08 - Importing contacts?

[Dale Maggee]

How do I Import my contacts into 2008.08? will the same python scripts 
work, or is it completely different?

-Dale

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Re: Om2008.8 - Issues

[Craig Woodward]

Wow.. That has to be the worst interface I've ever used for a keyboard.  What 
happened to the ABC jumble in the corner that let you change from T9 and/or a 
full mini-key board?  I used the other two for almost everything, and never 
liked this version of the keyboard, but there appears to be no way to change 
it's setup now.


 rakshat hooja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I found the following issues while trying out the Om2008.8 release.
>
>
> 3) Messaging - The qwerty keypad has no backspace/delete key. Also, I can't
> see any way to access the numeric/special keys. Am I missing something here?
>

Try sliding finger towards left for del. flick keyboard upwards for numeric
keypad.



>
> 6) Battery level indicator - Is there one? I just see a lightning icon on
> the status bar and its there even if the cable is not plugged in.
>

Paining error i think, reboot and see if it is still there.

Rakshat



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Re: Om2008.8 - Issues

[Dale Maggee]

I think that's an exclamation mark, indicating that you have no signal. 
although it's wrong - it stays there even when i have a signal.

William Kenworthy wrote:
> On the top bar I have a small clock and some that looks like two small
> blobs, one on top of the other - what are they trying to tell me?
>
> BillK
>
> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 18:04 +0530, sparky mat wrote:
>   
>> 
>> 2) Installer - Doesn't connect. USB networking is setup
>> correctly. opkg and wget work fine.
>> 
>>
>> My bad. Assumption that opkg and wget work were based on yesterday's
>> daily build. They weren't. Found out that /etc/resolv.conf is empty.
>> Why so? I'd assume that "nameserver 192.168.0.200" should be defaulted
>> in.
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Re: Compiling C on the phone

[Andrew Chu]

Hi Dirk

Sounds like you're missing binutils, or symlinks to the assembler and 
linker:

try:

   opkg install binutils

then:

   ln -s /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as /usr/bin/as

and continue creating simlinks for all of the executables prefixed with 
arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-

Hope that helps,
Andrew

Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
> I installed 2008.8 today, and after playing around with it for an hour 
> or so, I set out to install kedpm, a pygtk password manager.  I 
> installed pygtk and friends, but I ran into trouble trying to get 
> pycrypto installed.  It has a bunch of C extensions that need to be 
> compiled.
> 
> After a few hours banging my head on the desk, I have so far installed 
> the following packages:
> 
> python-devel
> python-setuptools
> gcc
> cpp
> cpp-symlinks
> gcc-symlinks
> libc6-dev
> 
> But I'm stuck at this point:
> 
> # gcc hello.c
> gcc: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory
> 
> Also, there is no 'ld' to be found on the phone, so I'm sure I'll need 
> that as well.
> 
> Is there a package or packages I can install to get everything I need to 
> build python C extentions on the phone?  Is there a way to build them on 
> my linux machine that doesn't require building the entire openmoko 
> distribution first?
> 
> Failing that, does anyone have a pycrypto package I can download?
> 
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Need help using Neo's network connection from a PC using Bluetooth

[Timo Jyrinki]

Hi. If anyone happens to have title's setup working, please reply
and/or write on the section that I created for it:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Using_Neo.27s_connection_from_PC

I formatted the page a bit since it seemed all the "using network via
Bluetooth" seemed to concentrate on using PC's network from Neo, while
the most usual use case with phones is to use phone's network
connection from a laptop when travelling.

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Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8

[Ole Kliemann]

There is only one possible solution. There must be easy customizable
keyboard files so that everybody is able to use the keyboard he likes.
Besides there must be an option to switch between different keyboards.
It's a simple idea: one tool for one job. 

The predictive text with the right dictionary can be very powerful when
writing SMS. You don't really need to aim for the letters, just hit
somewhere close to them. 

Still the Qtopia keyboard like it comes with Om2008.8 now is pretty
flawed lacking punctation signs. You have to switch two layouts further
to find a comma or period. Despite the fact that there is a lot of space
left on the alphabet keyboard.

And certainly for everything except SMS and maybe sometimes writing
notes the layout alone is a disaster; not to mention the predictive
text.

As I understand, there has been a long discussion about why not using
the illume keyboard. I have not completely followed that discussion and
I do not claim to have an understanding for the problems of development
that may be connected to this issue.

But I'd like to stress at this point that I believe the customizability
of input methods - i.e. the possibility of individually communicating
with the device - is a kind of freedom that many people are seeking with
the FR.

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Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8 - I have the full terminal keyboard

[Matt]

I don't really understand why, but sometimes I get the predictive text 
(limited keys) and sometimes I get the full keyboard (choice of three).

I used ASU 200080806, then opkg update..etc.

Ole Kliemann wrote:
> There is only one possible solution. There must be easy customizable
> keyboard files so that everybody is able to use the keyboard he likes.
> Besides there must be an option to switch between different keyboards.
> It's a simple idea: one tool for one job. 
>
> The predictive text with the right dictionary can be very powerful when
> writing SMS. You don't really need to aim for the letters, just hit
> somewhere close to them. 
>
> Still the Qtopia keyboard like it comes with Om2008.8 now is pretty
> flawed lacking punctation signs. You have to switch two layouts further
> to find a comma or period. Despite the fact that there is a lot of space
> left on the alphabet keyboard.
>
> And certainly for everything except SMS and maybe sometimes writing
> notes the layout alone is a disaster; not to mention the predictive
> text.
>
> As I understand, there has been a long discussion about why not using
> the illume keyboard. I have not completely followed that discussion and
> I do not claim to have an understanding for the problems of development
> that may be connected to this issue.
>
> But I'd like to stress at this point that I believe the customizability
> of input methods - i.e. the possibility of individually communicating
> with the device - is a kind of freedom that many people are seeking with
> the FR.
>
> Ole
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Re: Om2008.8 release today?

[Peter Rasmussen]

I just tried this image set (kernel+rootfs) on a Neo1973 and got a panic 
when attempting to boot into the SD card.
However, when booting into the NAND resident image it boots up all right.

Only u-boot and the kernel image should be the same for the two.

This is actually first time that I have met the situation that I am not 
able to boot he same rootfs image when copied to the SD card, but I am 
when booting into the image on the resident NAND on the Neo1973.

Peter

Tim Dobson wrote:
> andylockran wrote:
>   
>> Once I get a microSD card, can I run om2008.08 on my 1973?
>> 
>
> Hi andy,
>
> There are images:
>
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/200808/20080807/
>
> So I assume so...
>
> I'm not saying i recommend it my any means...
>
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Re: Need help using Neo's network connection from a PC using Bluetooth

[Craig Woodward]

I had Bluetooth setup on OM 2007.2, with obexftp and obexpush working, as well 
as networking.  I tried installing todays 2008.8 release, and pulled the 
packages, and now get failures trying to start either daemon. :P

And, the same setup I thought worked for 2007.2 isn't working to get BT 
networking.  On the up-side, it looks like usb networking is working again in 
todays image. :)

 Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
Hi. If anyone happens to have title's setup working, please reply
and/or write on the section that I created for it:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Using_Neo.27s_connection_from_PC

I formatted the page a bit since it seemed all the "using network via
Bluetooth" seemed to concentrate on using PC's network from Neo, while
the most usual use case with phones is to use phone's network
connection from a laptop when travelling.

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Todays 2008.08 Bug list

[Craig Woodward]

Ok, so here are just a few things I've found working with the current image 
today:

On the plus side:

The new SMS message app is MUCH improved from 2007.* and qt. Very nice job on 
that part!  Almost makes the phone worth using as a phone now...

Contact Manager has the same problem as the system clock (bottom 2 buttons are 
not usable, which is a huge issue).

Dialer: I like the look, but again, those pesky bottom buttons don't work...

Diversity is nice... but without wifi working... its hard to get a fix on gps 
while in the building, tethered to usb, which is my only network option right 
now. :P  BUT It's bottom buttons work...  Is that a soft-key system I see down 
there?

Things that are busted:

o Nothing connects w/ wifi.  I've tried open, WEP, WPA and WPA2, with simple 
passwords, and connman can't connect to anything out of box.  It appears to no 
even get eth0 setup, yet alone the sub system for wpa.

o Anything that has bottom buttons  (like the system clock, dialer, etc), the 
buttons are totally inaccessible.  When you hit either, the whole bottom bar 
goes out and shows the background.  The main window shows forward, but the 
focus is on enlightenment, so you have to hit the app window again before 
removing for it to work.  (Is there s soft-key bar in that area too? Could that 
be the issue?)

o The keyboard is now stuck in predictive mode.  The switch symbol is gone, and 
there appears to be no way to get it back that I can find.  Great for texting, 
bad for terminals.

o The config (wrench) icon is gone from the top and hidden menu, meaning 
there's no UI method at start up for changing settings (like adding the wrench, 
or BT/wifi symbols) to the header.

o When the header does have things turned on, and anything reaches the mid 
point of the bar, you can no longer pull down the bar with the arrow, making it 
impossible to remove tasks.

o Why was the close task function removed from power-button-tap?  And why isn't 
the Aux button mapped on the window manager to enter the config menu any more?  
I'm sure there's a good reason, but it's existing behavior people have come to 
expect.

o There's still no way to cleanly shutdown 2008.8.  Running shutdown gets it 
stuck in runlevel 5 without more processes.  Pressing the power button does 
nothing.  Holding it for 10 kills power, but also kills the fs sometimes too. :P

o None of the bluetooth add-ons are working any more... /dev/rfcomm0 seems to 
not exist?  And obexftpd and opd return an "error -94/0"  and can't connect to 
the bluetooth local side.  (Though obexftp starts showing as a registered 
service once run... but the daemon has exited, so it doesn't connect... sigh!)


That's all I've found in the 10 minutes I've played with it, so. :)

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2008.08.08 WPA_EAP configuration?

[Cry Regarder]

How does on configure for WPA-EAP?

My settings:

/etc/network/interfaces:

iface eth0 inet dhcp
   wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
   wpa-driver wext

wpa_supplicant.conf:

ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1

# WPA2:
network={
   ssid="nnn"
   scan_ssid=1
   key_mgmt=WPA-EAP
   eap=PEAP
   identity="uuu"
   password="xxx"
   proto=WPA
   pairwise=TKIP
   priority=50
}

Output of 

ifup eth0:

sed: unrecognized option `--quiet'
BusyBox v1.9.1 (2008-08-07 10:36:49 CST) multi-call binary

Usage: sed [-efinr] pattern [files...]

WPA: Configuring Interface
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
udhcpc (v1.9.1) started
run-parts: /etc/udhcpc.d/00avahi-autoipd exited with return code 1
Sending discover...
Sending discover...
Sending discover...

and with wpa_supplicant I get:

/etc/wpa_supplicant# wpa_supplicant -Dwext -ieth0 -c 
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -K 
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported
CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS 
CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS 
CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS 
CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS 



Any ideas?

Thanks,

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Why is /etc/resolv.conf on tmpfs?

[Dirk Bergstrom]

I thought that resolv.conf was getting wiped out at every boot.  Turns 
out that by default it's a symlink to /var/run/resolv.conf, which is 
mounted on /var/volatile, a tmpfs filesystem.

Is there some really good reason for this, or can I just wipe out the 
symlink and make it a file in /etc?  I'm tired of having to put my 
nameserver in there every time I fire up the phone.

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Re: Compiling C on the phone

[Dirk Bergstrom]

Andrew Chu wrote:
 > Sounds like you're missing binutils, or symlinks to the assembler and 
linker:
 >opkg install binutils
 > then:
 >ln -s /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as /usr/bin/as

Actually, there's a binutils-symlinks package that does all that.  Dunno 
why it's a separate package...

 > Hope that helps,

It does indeed.  hello.c built just fine, and so did the pycrypto stuff. 
  I had to install python-compile, but then the install went through as 
well.

Thanks very much.

I'll write this up in the wiki later today.

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Re: 2008.8 : Can receive calls but cannot call

[Sander Hepp]

same here (no problem with 2007.2)

On Friday 08 August 2008 17:12:38 Daniel Aeberli wrote:
> +1
>
> entered pin, can receive calls but not dial out!
>
> Julien Cassignol a écrit :
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I thought I give a try and install 2008.8. I had a certain number of
> > problems :
> >
> > 1) Pin isn't asked for each time (4-5 reboots), even if I launch an
> > application which needs PIN (dialer).
> > 2) Dialer says "No network" on each call, whereas I succesfully entered
> > my PIN. 3) I can receive calls, and just after that, I can't call !
> >
> > Sounds quite mystical to me. Any ideas ?



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Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8

[Zack Mollusc]

Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
> Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8?  If not, I'd 
> like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now.
>
> I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the 
> predictive text feature.  Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it 
> would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard, 
> which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the 
> same page.
>
> I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't 
> need a finger-friendly keyboard.  It might be nice to occasionally have 
> one, but it's a *very* low priority for me.
>
> I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser: 
> unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part 
> numbers and the like.  In other words, almost nothing I type will 
> benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance).
>
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>   
I think the stock keyboard (once got my head round it, I rather liked
its novel approach) would be good for sms, but I would love to see the
matchbox keyboard added as part of the stock keyboard options, ie swipe
through upper case, numerals, special chars and then get the matchbox
keyboard (or similar) for when it is needed. 


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Re: Compiling C on the phone

[Shawn Rutledge]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Dirk Bergstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll write this up in the wiki later today.

I've been doing

opkg install task-openmoko-native-sdk

which has dependencies on all the packages that you will need.

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Re: USB Networking troubles

[michael cole]

Andrew,

I'll make the netmask changes you suggest.

Further to my comments above re: the USB networking page @ openmoko. My
issue could have been avoided if the networking page made clear that the
Freerunner--Desktop connection is on a different network than the LAN the
desktop uses to access the Internet. Likewise a troubleshooting note when
one cannot ping past the desktop machine. The document, as it is now
written, focuses on just the Freerunner--Desktop connection and makes an
assumption that the LAN is not 192.168.0.X Your description placing the task
of setting up USB networking in the context of the whole LAN makes clear how
the FR--Desktop network is situated. It probably seems obvious for most of
the users here.

Perhaps someone with editing rights to the networking page can add a couple
of lines to make clear the need for distinct networks in specifying the
setup. Also, it would help to extend the worked example to show (at each
stage) what output one should see from "route -n " on each machine. This is
also a point to check in troubleshooting cases where one can ping the
desktop but no other machines on the LAN.

Once again I appreciate the time everyone has taken to help.

Thanks,

Michael

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Andrew C. Dingman <
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:32 -0400, michael cole wrote:
> > First thanks to all for replying.
> >
> > These changes worked.
>
> Glad it helped. I hope the IP routing mini-lecture made clear *why* :)
>
> > So on my Freerunner /etc/network/interfaces includes:
> >
> > # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether)
> > # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr
> > auto usb0
> > iface usb0 inet static
> >   address 192.168.2.202
> >   netmask 255.255.255.0
> >   network 192.168.2.0
> >   gateway 192.168.2.200
> > # orig:
> > # up echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 >/etc/resolv.conf
> > # using home (nimiq.net)
> >   up echo nameserver 207.235.125.4 >/etc/resolv.conf
> >
> > on the desktop  /etc/network/interfaces includes:
> > allow-hotplug usb0
> > iface usb0 inet static
> > address 192.168.2.200
> > netmask 255.255.255.192
> > post-up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
> 192.168.2.192/26
> > post-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> > post-up iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
> > pre-down iptables -D POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
> > 192.168.2.192/26
>
> Almost right, and in fact this configuration won't break in practice
> because you can't plug additional devices into your USB network.
> However, the FreeRunner and the desktop really *should* agree about the
> netmask. You have the FreeRunner thinking its local network includes 256
> addresses (192.168.2.0-255), and the desktop thinking that the network
> it and the FreeRunner live in includes only 64 (192.168.2.192-255). If
> you choose to fix this on the desktop by using the 255.255.255.0
> netmask, you'll also want to fix the masquerade rule to specify
> 192.168.2.192/24, as the /n part indicates a netmask with binary 1 in
> the n most significant bits. (255.255.255.0 == binary IP 
>   . 255.255.255.192 == binary  
>  1100)
>
> If you want to play with this stuff a bit more, you might be interested
> in a tool called 'gip' that you can install on your desktop with
> 'apt-get install gip'. It lets you enter IPs and netmasks in any of the
> normal forms and shows you the resulting network sizes and binary,
> hexadecimal, and decimal representations of the results.
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Change root's shell?

[Dirk Bergstrom]

Is there any reason it would be a bad idea to change root's shell from 
/bin/sh to /bin/bash?  I miss all the conveniences, and I keep 
forgetting to type 'bash' when I log in.

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Re: Change root's shell?

[Cesar Eduardo Barros]

Dirk Bergstrom escreveu:
> Is there any reason it would be a bad idea to change root's shell from 
> /bin/sh to /bin/bash?  I miss all the conveniences, and I keep 
> forgetting to type 'bash' when I log in.

Changing the root shell on /etc/passwd should cause no problem; changing 
/bin/sh to be /bin/bash might make shell scripts which use /bin/sh a bit 
slower (but no problem other than speed).

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2008.8 screen blanks permanently on suspend

[William Kenworthy]

I have had the FR go into blank screen a number of times and refuse to
wakeup.  Its not suspended as usb networking still works.  Trying to
restart the xserver hangs.  If I press the power button briefly, nothing
happens.  Same if I hold it for a second or two.  At ~ 10 seconds it
will shutdown - sometimes.

Is this a bug or is there some other way to get the screen back without
a time consuming reboot.

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Re: Change root's shell?

[William Kenworthy]

I tried this on 2007.2 - worked fine until I rebooted and whole lot of
things to do with X stopped working.  e.g., you could not enter text
into the terminal app.

BillK

On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 18:28 -0700, Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
> Is there any reason it would be a bad idea to change root's shell from 
> /bin/sh to /bin/bash?  I miss all the conveniences, and I keep 
> forgetting to type 'bash' when I log in.
> 
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Re: Change root's shell?

[Dirk Bergstrom]

William Kenworthy wrote:
> I tried this on 2007.2 - worked fine until I rebooted and whole lot of
> things to do with X stopped working.  e.g., you could not enter text
> into the terminal app.

What did you try, editing /etc/passwd, or making /bin/sh a symlink to 
/bin/bash (or just replacing it)?

I was considering editing /etc/passwd, guess I should have been clearer...

> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 18:28 -0700, Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
>> Is there any reason it would be a bad idea to change root's shell from 
>> /bin/sh to /bin/bash?  I miss all the conveniences, and I keep 
>> forgetting to type 'bash' when I log in.


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Om2008.8 - Cannot access repository

[Steven **]

I can ssh into my Freerunner and ping google.com etc.  But when I
launch the installer, it shows a little progress bar and then pops up
the following error:
Cannot access repository.  Please check your network.

My network looks fine...  What's going on?

Thanks,
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Re: Alternate Keyboard(s) on 2008.8

[Clare]

Peter there is a good keyboard in the Milestone 2.
If using it you need to press the little triangle to get home then the
terminal icon then qwerty(top left) then the icon top right of the
keyboard
which offers "full-qwerty", at this point you have all the characters
you need, no prediction and somewhere to type them.

The letters jumping up is distracting, and the black background,
though elegant, makes the stylus hard to see in poor light.
Nonetheless the FSO is so good that I am now preferring it. Another
couple of Milestones and it will be really nice. At that point
apparently there are plans to clutter it with changes. (See thread in
Community list "FSO: is zhone here to stay?" )
FSO is apparently only semi-official.

Debian also has a good keyboard named xvkbd which has all you want,
has facilities for a number of changes including charactersets at user
level. Debian I think will be good for GTA01 after it gets a few more
changes. I use it now as a dual boot alongside FSO, have not yet added
phone capability.

clare.


On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Peter Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could we please also get a qwerty keyboard on the GTA01? I don't have a
> GTA02.
> I complained when it was changed, but it didn't seem to matter to the
> people making the general releases.
> And when given the choice of a qwerty keyboard, shouldn't international
> characters be of some priority?
>
> Peter
>
> Yorick Moko wrote:
>> +100
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> This sums my feelings up exactly
>>>
>>> Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
>>>
 Is is possible to install a different keyboard on 2008.8?  If not, I'd
 like to see that as a feature Real Soon Now.

 I find the stock keyboard to be almost totally unusable due to the
 predictive text feature.  Even if the predictive stuff was removed, it
 would still be less usable for me than the matchbox qwerty keyboard,
 which had important keys like ctrl, dash, period and return all on the
 same page.

 I will be using the phone with a stylus for most interaction, so I don't
 need a finger-friendly keyboard.  It might be nice to occasionally have
 one, but it's a *very* low priority for me.

 I will primarily type in the terminal, the "notes" app, and the browser:
 unix commands, URLs, and notes like book titles, author names, part
 numbers and the like.  In other words, almost nothing I type will
 benefit from predictive input (in fact it would be a distinct annoyance).

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Re: Compiling C on the phone

[Michael Shiloh]

Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
> Andrew Chu wrote:
>  > Sounds like you're missing binutils, or symlinks to the assembler and 
> linker:
>  >opkg install binutils
>  > then:
>  >ln -s /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as /usr/bin/as
> 
> Actually, there's a binutils-symlinks package that does all that.  Dunno 
> why it's a separate package...
> 
>  > Hope that helps,
> 
> It does indeed.  hello.c built just fine, and so did the pycrypto stuff. 
>   I had to install python-compile, but then the install went through as 
> well.
> 
> Thanks very much.
> 
> I'll write this up in the wiki later today.


Thanks Dirk. This is very cool. The ability to compile on my phone is 
something I want to be able to show off.

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Re: Compiling C on the phone

[sparky mat]

>
>
> Thanks Dirk. This is very cool. The ability to compile on my phone is
> something I want to be able to show off.
>
> M
>

I agree! I am compiling Ruby 1.9 on my phone!!

Nerdgasm!!!
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Re: Compiling C on the phone

[Michael Shiloh]

sparky mat wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dirk. This is very cool. The ability to compile on my phone is
> something I want to be able to show off.
> 
> M
> 
> 
> I agree! I am compiling Ruby 1.9 on my phone!!

Please wikify!

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Bitbaking Ruby 1.9

[sparky mat]

Ruby 1.9 seems to compile and run fine. Currently, I am compiling  it on my
phone.

I am not familiar with OpenEmbedded or Bitbake. Can someone add Ruby 1.8.6
and Ruby 1.9 to the repository? Possibly, we can remove Ruby 1.8.5 from the
repository since Ruby 1.8.6 is a grammar-compatible upgrade to 1.8.5 with
significant improvements IIRC.

Alternatively, if someone can guide me, I can add these myself. I mean, add
the bitbake recipe so that the build host will compile and upload its ipk
file to the GTA01/02 repository.
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Re: Todays 2008.08 Bug list [[ sorry -> offtopic now ]]

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

I am sorry but am I the only one who got 4 copies of the same email?
according to headers it was sent only to -community list, right? thus I
should have gotten just 1 instance of the email of this class, right?
;-)

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008, Craig Woodward wrote:


> Ok, so here are just a few things I've found working with the current image 
> today:

> On the plus side:

> The new SMS message app is MUCH improved from 2007.* and qt. Very nice job on 
> that part!  Almost makes the phone worth using as a phone now...

> Contact Manager has the same problem as the system clock (bottom 2 buttons 
> are not usable, which is a huge issue).

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Re: Change root's shell?

[William Kenworthy]

passwd file - the symlink "might" work better.  On most real systems, sh
is actually bash running in a compatility mode - not sure if thats the
case here.  Cant check as I am in the middle of going back to 2007.2 as
2008.8 is basicly non-functional/unusable.

BillK

On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 19:28 -0700, Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
> William Kenworthy wrote:
> > I tried this on 2007.2 - worked fine until I rebooted and whole lot of
> > things to do with X stopped working.  e.g., you could not enter text
> > into the terminal app.
> 
> What did you try, editing /etc/passwd, or making /bin/sh a symlink to 
> /bin/bash (or just replacing it)?
> 
> I was considering editing /etc/passwd, guess I should have been clearer...
> 
> > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 18:28 -0700, Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
> >> Is there any reason it would be a bad idea to change root's shell from 
> >> /bin/sh to /bin/bash?  I miss all the conveniences, and I keep 
> >> forgetting to type 'bash' when I log in.
> 
> 
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Re: Bitbaking Ruby 1.9

[sparky mat]

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:49 AM, sparky mat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ruby 1.9 seems to compile and run fine. Currently, I am compiling  it on my
> phone.
>
> I am not familiar with OpenEmbedded or Bitbake. Can someone add Ruby 1.8.6
> and Ruby 1.9 to the repository? Possibly, we can remove Ruby 1.8.5 from the
> repository since Ruby 1.8.6 is a grammar-compatible upgrade to 1.8.5 with
> significant improvements IIRC.
>
> Alternatively, if someone can guide me, I can add these myself. I mean, add
> the bitbake recipe so that the build host will compile and upload its ipk
> file to the GTA01/02 repository.
>

One issue I faced when compiling was that 'ar' on the phone is supplied by
Busybox and doesn't provide the features the compilation required. I
symlinked arm-angstrom-linuxeabi-ar to 'ar'and things worked fine.
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Re: Todays 2008.08 Bug list [[ sorry -> offtopic now ]]

[Craig Woodward]

I've been getting multiple copies of some e-mails from the list too.  I'm only 
on this one support list, so. :P  I have no idea why I get multiples for some 
and not for others. (Or generate them apparently, for that matter.) Sorry!

 Yaroslav Halchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
I am sorry but am I the only one who got 4 copies of the same email?
according to headers it was sent only to -community list, right? thus I
should have gotten just 1 instance of the email of this class, right?
;-)

On Fri, 08 Aug 2008, Craig Woodward wrote:


> Ok, so here are just a few things I've found working with the current image 
> today:

> On the plus side:

> The new SMS message app is MUCH improved from 2007.* and qt. Very nice job on 
> that part!  Almost makes the phone worth using as a phone now...

> Contact Manager has the same problem as the system clock (bottom 2 buttons 
> are not usable, which is a huge issue).

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