Re: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2

2007-10-26 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sat 27 Oct 2007 05:00:21 NZDT +1300, Paul M wrote:

> surely it's easier to simply run your own caching resolvers? that way
> you can force a cache flush if you're changing your own DNS.

Nope, not enough. I run pfsense in 2 places (1.0.1 and 1.2beta-some),
with caching dns enabled. Several times a day browsers just give a bogus
"domain doesn't exist". With a particular banking website I have yet to
see a name resolution first time; as it's blowing up in <<1s I conclude
something, somewhere, doesn't even *try* to resolve. An immediate
browser reload is always successful. This with various ISPs'
nameservers.

Volker

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RE: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2

2007-10-26 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
I try and stay away from ISP's that do that kind of stuff as much as possible 
(even though I use comcast which got nailed for throttling BitTorrent traffic). 
I know some areas don't have an alternative ISP to dump to. If you are using 
this for a business service then that is something you might be able to get a 
Service Level Agreement worked out with them to unrestrict the ports. Home 
users will pretty much always be boned on that front though.
 
-Sean



> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:00:21 +0100> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> support@pfsense.com> Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2> 
> > Sean Cavanaugh wrote:> > I personally use OpenDNS for everything since 
> theyre outside of what the> > ISP handles.> > surely it's easier to simply 
> run your own caching resolvers? that way> you can force a cache flush if 
> you're changing your own DNS.> > the only time either your or my strategy 
> fails is when you have an ISP> like NTL in the UK who do udp:53 hijacking 
> (just like they force all web> traffic through their proxies, they do similar 
> with DNS!). the only way> I found round that was to put my own resolver on a 
> public lan at work on> a different port and hack my local bind9 config to 
> resolve off it! > > 
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Re: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2

2007-10-26 Thread Paul M
Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
> I personally use OpenDNS for everything since theyre outside of what the
> ISP handles.

surely it's easier to simply run your own caching resolvers? that way
you can force a cache flush if you're changing your own DNS.

the only time either your or my strategy fails is when you have an ISP
like NTL in the UK who do udp:53 hijacking (just like they force all web
traffic through their proxies, they do similar with DNS!). the only way
I found round that was to put my own resolver on a public lan at work on
a different port and hack my local bind9 config to resolve off it!  

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RE: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2

2007-10-26 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
I personally use OpenDNS for everything since theyre outside of what the ISP 
handles.
only "downside" is that if it cannot resolve a domain for HTTP, it pulls up 
their search page instead.
 
-Sean




> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: support@pfsense.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 
> 09:20:52 -0400> Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2> > I 
> will try this later to see what the result is. Scott's suggestion of using > 
> a static route worked perfectly. The trouble seemed to come from using OPT1 > 
> and OPT2 DNS servers as the default. The pfsense machine was trying to > 
> resolve with those DNS servers using the WAN interface. I added entries for > 
> the LAN section of the firewall rules. This set the correct outbound > 
> interface for machines on the LAN but did not seem to help the pfsense > 
> machine itself. If the ISP used on the WAN interface did not has lousy DNS > 
> servers, I would never have noticed this issue. > > Robert> > On Friday 26 
> October 2007 05:36, Paul M wrote:> > Robert Goley wrote:> > > based routing. 
> DNS refuses to work. This is because the pfsense machine> > > can> >> > I 
> have no answer for you, but an idea to try.> >> > run "tcpdump -l -n -i xxx 
> udp and port 53" on the firewall for each> > interface xxx in turn whilst 
> trying to resolve and see if any packets> > are seen.> >> >> >> >> > 
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Re: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2

2007-10-26 Thread Robert Goley
I will try this later to see what the result is.  Scott's suggestion of using 
a static route worked perfectly.  The trouble seemed to come from using OPT1 
and OPT2 DNS servers as the default.  The pfsense machine was trying to 
resolve with those DNS servers using the WAN interface.  I added entries for 
the LAN section of the firewall rules.  This set the correct outbound 
interface for machines on the LAN but did not seem to help the pfsense 
machine itself.  If the ISP used on the WAN interface did not has lousy DNS 
servers, I would never have noticed this issue.  

Robert

On Friday 26 October 2007 05:36, Paul M wrote:
> Robert Goley wrote:
> > based routing.  DNS refuses to work.  This is because the pfsense machine
> > can
>
> I have no answer for you, but an idea to try.
>
> run "tcpdump -l -n -i xxx udp and port 53" on the firewall for each
> interface xxx in turn whilst trying to resolve and see if any packets
> are seen.
>
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Re: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2

2007-10-26 Thread Paul M
Robert Goley wrote:
> based routing.  DNS refuses to work.  This is because the pfsense machine can 

I have no answer for you, but an idea to try.

run "tcpdump -l -n -i xxx udp and port 53" on the firewall for each
interface xxx in turn whilst trying to resolve and see if any packets
are seen.




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Re: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2

2007-10-25 Thread Robert Goley
Thanks Scott!  I was using the policybased_multiwan.pdf howto by Daniel 
Solsona.  It does not mention DNS servers or static routes.  It is working 
great now.  Thanks for all of your hard work.  The 1.2 release looks good.

Robert

On Thursday 25 October 2007 16:17, Scott Ullrich wrote:
> On 10/25/07, Robert Goley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
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> > What am I missing?
>
> Static routes.  See the multi-wan tutorials.
>
> Scott
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Re: [pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2

2007-10-25 Thread Scott Ullrich
On 10/25/07, Robert Goley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> What am I missing?

Static routes.  See the multi-wan tutorials.

Scott

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[pfSense Support] DNS Issues with 1.2 RC2

2007-10-25 Thread Robert Goley
I have a multi wan setup with 3 WAN interfaces and 1 LAN.  It is using policy 
based routing.  DNS refuses to work.  This is because the pfsense machine can 
not resolve anything.  The DNS servers are correct.  They are pingable from 
the pfsense machine.  They are accessible from machines on the LAN.  A 
traceroute shows that the pfsense machine is trying to access DNS servers for 
OPT1 and OPT2 using the WAN interface instead.  I setup rules for the LAN 
interface so that all connections to the specific DNS server must go out over 
specific interfaces.  This works for the LAN but does not work for the 
pfsense machine itself.  Can some one provide some insight to this?  Do I 
need to add static routes for these instead of LAN firewall entries?  The 
warnings on the static routes page seems to indicate that I should not.  I am 
sure that others are using multiple DNS servers from multiple ISPs in a 
multi-wan setup.  What am I missing?

Robert  

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