RE: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
David Woolley wrote: David Balažic wrote: Yes, it is pretty ... chaotic. (I use WinXP) There are different settings and some applications try to guess the correct language or locale (getting it wrong often). I suspect that is because the assumption is that the average Windows user would not have found the OS' locale setting mechanism, so to work well, it has to try and get things right without help from the user. Not really. Most people have it as they got it preinstalled and usually it is in the local locale. At least in my country (Slovenia). Regards, David ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
On 7/15/2011 5:43 AM, David Balažic wrote: David Woolley wrote: I suspect that is because the assumption is that the average Windows user would not have found the OS' locale setting mechanism, so to work well, it has to try and get things right without help from the user. Not really. Most people have it as they got it preinstalled and usually it is in the local locale. At least in my country (Slovenia). I took a bit of time to ask some of my ($DAYJOB) international partners about this, and consensus is that virtually all of their machines have correct locale settings. The desire to have correct date and time formats and working keyboards seems to be enough to motivate people to pick their country in the drop-down, plus OEM gear will virtually always be properly configured for the country in which it's sold (which probably covers 99% of the people too dumb to pick their country out of a locale list) According to what I was told, the most common exception is people who have a US-keyboard on a laptop, so they stick with a US-locale OS configuration too, although you can still usually guess their region from their date format settings. While admittedly this comes from a corporate perspective, it doesn't seem to be that big a deal. ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
RE: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
I'll just add that: - having two language choices is confusing and unnecessary (one for installer and one for the app itself) - the installer choice is not stating clearly that this choice is just for the installer and that the applications language is an independent setting and: I already set my language preferences in the OS preferences. Why do I have to repeat it over an over again? For each application. Twice. (not to mention all the web pages) Regards, David PS: For the hot blooded Turks: Include a Turkish option in the installer that just brings up a text block after clicking Next, that explains no Turk has bothered to provide a turkish translation, unlike Kurds... (the last part could be dropped) Could the author of the app translation be contacted about this? If he translated the application, the installer is surely a much smaller piece of work? -Original Message- From: support-boun...@pidgin.im [mailto:support-boun...@pidgin.im] On Behalf Of Ethan Blanton Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:52 PM To: Mark Doliner Cc: support@pidgin.im; Göksel Albeni Subject: Re: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey Mark Doliner spake unto us the following wisdom: 2011/7/13 Göksel Albeni goksel_alb...@hotmail.com: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey. Is there something in Pidgin that implies that Kurdish is the official language of Turkey? No, this is the usual Turkish rant. It's this bug: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/8413 Basically, no Turkish-speaker has bothered to translate the Windows installer into Turkish. Pidgin can still be *installed* in Turkish, the installer simply cannot be run in Turkish. Meanwhile, dozens of Turks contact us with rude and ignorant rants about domestic Turkish politics in which we play no part. I look forward to seeing the court filings, I'm sure they will be amusing. I particularly hope that Turkey has strong frivolous lawsuit penalties -- although I hold little hope. Ethan ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
David Balažic spake unto us the following wisdom: I'll just add that: - having two language choices is confusing and unnecessary (one for installer and one for the app itself) I believe this is due to Windows' general brokenness. Windows is sufficiently broken that many people do not use a coherent locale, if it even has a concept of a coherent locale. At least, this is the impression I have gotten from various translation complaints over the years. I don't know, I use a C translation locale and non-Windows operating systems. PS: For the hot blooded Turks: Include a Turkish option in the installer that just brings up a text block after clicking Next, that explains no Turk has bothered to provide a turkish translation, unlike Kurds... (the last part could be dropped) Could the author of the app translation be contacted about this? If he translated the application, the installer is surely a much smaller piece of work? Our Turkish translation has not been updated since 2007. I am in the process of hopefully bringing in a complete update. Ethan signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
RE: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
Ethan Blanton [mailto:e...@pidgin.im] wrote: David Balažic spake unto us the following wisdom: I'll just add that: - having two language choices is confusing and unnecessary (one for installer and one for the app itself) I believe this is due to Windows' general brokenness. Windows is sufficiently broken that many people do not use a coherent locale, if it even has a concept of a coherent locale. At least, this is the impression I have gotten from various translation complaints over the years. I don't know, I use a C translation locale and non-Windows operating systems. Yes, it is pretty ... chaotic. (I use WinXP) There are different settings and some applications try to guess the correct language or locale (getting it wrong often). Although I guess most people have consistent settings of Language/Location/Formats, Like Turkish keyboard, turkish language, Turkey (location) and turkish Standards and formats, so guessing would work out ok in most cases. (by guessing I mean reading out one of the system settings) David ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
David Balažic wrote: Yes, it is pretty ... chaotic. (I use WinXP) There are different settings and some applications try to guess the correct language or locale (getting it wrong often). I suspect that is because the assumption is that the average Windows user would not have found the OS' locale setting mechanism, so to work well, it has to try and get things right without help from the user. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:12:08 +0300 Göksel Albeni goksel_alb...@hotmail.com wrote: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey.Our language is Turkish. Fix it or i will report you to court.Kurdish is not official and not a common language of Turkey !!! It is entirely possible that Pidgin is incorrectly configured, did you even look at the localisation and spell checking options as regarding Turkish/Kurdish on installation? One other thing, Pidgin is written and provided as free software. Go and look up what that implies, and what freedoms it provides. You are free to use it, change it as you please provided that you respect the licence Pidgin is released under, and as an extra special favour you get to keep the pieces when it breaks. This list is to give support provided by volunteers for software written by people who do it out of the goodness of their hearts rather than for any profit motive. In the meantime, I expect you can easily resolve your complaint by looking at this page http://pidgin.im/about/ where you will see that both Turkish and Kurdish are listed as supported languages, meaning that it is possible to configure your system to use the one you prefer although you may need to adjust your system settings. You can find help with this here: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin#MiscellaneousWindows The first two questions and answers in this section will tell you how to select Turkish as your language. In future I suggest you moderate the tone of your requests (actually it's a demand, these are usually ignored here) because as I said above Pidgin is provided to you to use as you wish and being impolite and unpleasant to those who are helping you out of altruism is generally regarded very dimly in the civilised world. -- Brian Morrison I am not young enough to know everything Oscar Wilde ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
2011/7/13 Göksel Albeni goksel_alb...@hotmail.com: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey. Is there something in Pidgin that implies that Kurdish is the official language of Turkey? --Mark ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
2011/7/13 Göksel Albeni goksel_alb...@hotmail.com: You say write Turkish under the setup file on pidgin.im homepage.But when we downloaded and opened the installer we saw Kurdi Check this pictures.You say pidgin is Turkish but there isnt Turkis,has kurdi.I use now english it. http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2779/screen1wx0.png http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6755/screen2hd2.png (please include the support@pidgin.im mailing list in your replies) The word Turkish in the first image refers to the language that could be used by Pidgin (not the installer). The word Kurdi in the second image refers to the language that could be used the Pidgin installer (not Pidgin itself). As Ethan stated, in order for Turkish to be an option in the second image a Turkish-speaker will need to translate the various language strings used by the installer. And I still don't see any evidence that we're implying that Kurdish is the official language of Turkey. --Mark ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
Göksel Albeni wrote: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey.Our language is Turkish.Fix it or i will report you to court.Kurdish is not official and not a common language of Turkey !!! If you are talking about the installer, the installer only offers languages which are sufficiently complete for the purposes of displaying installer messages. In that case, all you have to do is provide a sufficiently complete Turkish translation and Turkish will become an offered language. I believe, once installed, it is possible to access all the supported languages, even if some of them are far from complete. If YOU want to make a political statement, you can always build and distribute a version of the Pidgin code that has no Kurdish capability at all. I think you will have to rebrand it with a name other than Pidgin (trade marks), and you should make the help point at your support mailing list, not this one (it is difficult to support modified versions). -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Kurdish is not the official language of Turkey
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:57:58 -0700 Mark Doliner m...@kingant.net wrote: As Ethan stated, in order for Turkish to be an option in the second image a Turkish-speaker will need to translate the various language strings used by the installer. It's symptomatic of the problem that someone has bothered to translate the installer strings for Kurdish but that no Turks appear to be concerned enough to do the same for their language. -- Brian Morrison I am not young enough to know everything Oscar Wilde ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
