Re: add telegram to pidgin
El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 12:35:08AM +0430, Javid Java escribió: > Hello > I love your program > You can add a telegram to the pidgin? I do like pidgin too. I want to make a warning against Telegram. It violates the privacy of you in two matters: 1. It shows to the sender (with read confirmation) that you have read the message of the sender. I contacted Telegram.org and they claim that this is not a bug, but a feature. You can not disable this "feature". 2. It shows to at least all your contacts (I think even to everyone who knows your mobile number) that you are "online" and you can not disable this either. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: add telegram to pidgin
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the TELUS network. Original Message From: Matthias Apitz Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 23:41 To: Javid Java Reply To: Matthias Apitz Cc: support@pidgin.im Subject: Re: add telegram to pidgin El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 12:35:08AM +0430, Javid Java escribió: > Hello > I love your program > You can add a telegram to the pidgin? I do like pidgin too. I want to make a warning against Telegram. It violates the privacy of you in two matters: 1. It shows to the sender (with read confirmation) that you have read the message of the sender. I contacted Telegram.org and they claim that this is not a bug, but a feature. You can not disable this "feature". 2. It shows to at least all your contacts (I think even to everyone who knows your mobile number) that you are "online" and you can not disable this either. matthias -- One of the great benefits of BlackBerry Messenger is that you can notice that your contact is online and has read your message; else how do you really communicate? ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: add telegram to pidgin
El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 07:40:51AM -0700, Richard Vickery escribió: > One of the great benefits of BlackBerry Messenger is that you can notice > that your contact is online and has read your message; else how do you really > communicate? this is the same violation of privacy; and to answer your question: I send a msg/mail and wait for the answer; imagine tomorrow you will get a voice call, which you do not want to pick up for whatever reason, and the provider says to the caller: we let it ring and we know the person heared it, but the person did not wante to answer the call; is this what you want? -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: add telegram to pidgin
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the TELUS network. Original Message From: Matthias Apitz Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 08:28 To: Richard Vickery Reply To: Matthias Apitz Cc: Matthias Apitz; Javid Java; support@pidgin.im Subject: Re: add telegram to pidgin El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 07:40:51AM -0700, Richard Vickery escribió: > One of the great benefits of BlackBerry Messenger is that you can notice > that your contact is online and has read your message; else how do you really > communicate? this is the same violation of privacy; and to answer your question: I send a msg/mail and wait for the answer; imagine tomorrow you will get a voice call, which you do not want to pick up for whatever reason, and the provider says to the caller: we let it ring and we know the person heared it, but the person did not wante to answer the call; is this what you want? -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! It's only my personal contacts that can see whether I'm online, and crackers that care. If you want the anonymity you speak of, get rid of your computer or its Internet-connection components. Else your "privacy" is a farce; there is no such thing ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: add telegram to pidgin
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the TELUS network. Original Message From: Richard Vickery Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 08:57 To: Matthias Apitz Reply To: Richard Vickery Cc: support@pidgin.im; Javid Java Subject: Re: add telegram to pidgin Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the TELUS network. Original Message From: Matthias Apitz Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 08:28 To: Richard Vickery Reply To: Matthias Apitz Cc: Matthias Apitz; Javid Java; support@pidgin.im Subject: Re: add telegram to pidgin El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 07:40:51AM -0700, Richard Vickery escribió: > One of the great benefits of BlackBerry Messenger is that you can notice > that your contact is online and has read your message; else how do you really > communicate? this is the same violation of privacy; and to answer your question: I send a msg/mail and wait for the answer; imagine tomorrow you will get a voice call, which you do not want to pick up for whatever reason, and the provider says to the caller: we let it ring and we know the person heared it, but the person did not wante to answer the call; is this what you want? -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! It's only my personal contacts that can see whether I'm online, and crackers that care. If you want the anonymity you speak of, get rid of your computer or its Internet-connection components. Else your "privacy" is a farce; there is no such thing ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Correction: any hacker - meaning anyone with a computer, not only the criminals ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: add telegram to pidgin
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the TELUS network. Original Message From: Richard Vickery Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 08:55 To: Matthias Apitz Reply To: Richard Vickery Cc: Matthias Apitz; Javid Java; support@pidgin.im Subject: Re: add telegram to pidgin Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the TELUS network. Original Message From: Matthias Apitz Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 08:28 To: Richard Vickery Reply To: Matthias Apitz Cc: Matthias Apitz; Javid Java; support@pidgin.im Subject: Re: add telegram to pidgin El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 07:40:51AM -0700, Richard Vickery escribió: > One of the great benefits of BlackBerry Messenger is that you can notice > that your contact is online and has read your message; else how do you really > communicate? this is the same violation of privacy; and to answer your question: I send a msg/mail and wait for the answer; imagine tomorrow you will get a voice call, which you do not want to pick up for whatever reason, and the provider says to the caller: we let it ring and we know the person heared it, but the person did not wante to answer the call; is this what you want? -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! It's only my personal contacts that can see whether I'm online, and crackers that care. If you want the anonymity you speak of, get rid of your computer or its Internet-connection components. Else your "privacy" is a farce; there is no such thing ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: add telegram to pidgin
El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 08:55:30AM -0700, Richard Vickery escribió: > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the TELUS network. > Original Message > From: Matthias Apitz > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 08:28 > To: Richard Vickery > Reply To: Matthias Apitz > Cc: Matthias Apitz; Javid Java; support@pidgin.im > Subject: Re: add telegram to pidgin > > El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 07:40:51AM -0700, Richard Vickery > escribió: > > > One of the great benefits of BlackBerry Messenger is that you can notice > > that your contact is online and has read your message; else how do you > > really communicate? > > this is the same violation of privacy; and to answer your question: I > send a msg/mail and wait for the answer; > > imagine tomorrow you will get a voice call, which you do not want to > pick up for whatever reason, and the provider says to the caller: we let > it ring and we know the person heared it, but the person did not wante > to answer the call; is this what you want? > > > -- > Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 > No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! > > It's only my personal contacts that can see whether I'm online, and crackers > that care. If you want the anonymity you speak of, get rid of your computer > or its Internet-connection components. Else your "privacy" is a farce; there > is no such thing Your BB email app is as broken as it violates privacy. Look, it puts your message below my signature which let your message appear as my text. ¡Qie asco! Your statement above about contacts/privacy is nonsense. Imagine your boss calls (and is in your contacts) and the provider says to him: your employee does not pick up the call. Do you want this? matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: add telegram to pidgin
- Original Message - | From: "Matthias Apitz" | To: "Richard Vickery" | Cc: "Javid Java" , support@pidgin.im | Sent: Tuesday, 18 August, 2015 10:14:54 | Subject: Re: add telegram to pidgin | | El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 08:55:30AM -0700, Richard Vickery | escribió: | | > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the TELUS network. | > Original Message | > From: Matthias Apitz | > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 08:28 | > To: Richard Vickery | > Reply To: Matthias Apitz | > Cc: Matthias Apitz; Javid Java; support@pidgin.im | > Subject: Re: add telegram to pidgin | > | > El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 07:40:51AM -0700, Richard Vickery | > escribió: | > | > > One of the great benefits of BlackBerry Messenger is that you can notice | > > that your contact is online and has read your message; else how do you | > > really communicate? | > | > this is the same violation of privacy; and to answer your question: I | > send a msg/mail and wait for the answer; | > | > imagine tomorrow you will get a voice call, which you do not want to | > pick up for whatever reason, and the provider says to the caller: we let | > it ring and we know the person heared it, but the person did not wante | > to answer the call; is this what you want? | > | > | > -- | > Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ | > +49-176-38902045 | > No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! | > | > It's only my personal contacts that can see whether I'm online, and | > crackers that care. If you want the anonymity you speak of, get rid of | > your computer or its Internet-connection components. Else your "privacy" | > is a farce; there is no such thing | | Your BB email app is as broken as it violates privacy. Look, it puts | your message below my signature which let your message appear as my | text. ¡Qie asco! | | Your statement above about contacts/privacy is nonsense. Imagine your | boss calls (and is in your contacts) and the provider says to him: your | employee does not pick up the call. Do you want this? | | matthias | -- | Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ | +49-176-38902045 | No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! | BlackBerry makes THE most secure devices on the market. It violates no such privacy. If you don't want an employer knowing if you are online, don't add to, or if added, delete from, your contacts. And if you don't want to talk to them, don't pick up the phone. I assume, but have no knowledge of the telegram add-on. At least give me an intelligent argument, not this stuff advertising that you have little knowledge the topic of which you write. ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: add telegram to pidgin
El día Tuesday, August 18, 2015 a las 07:14:54PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: > Your BB email app is as broken as it violates privacy. Look, it puts > your message below my signature which let your message appear as my > text. ¡Qie asco! > > Your statement above about contacts/privacy is nonsense. Imagine your > boss calls (and is in your contacts) and the provider says to him: your > employee does not pick up the call. Do you want this? In addition, why do you think Pidgin allows the user to set the state 'invisible'? But, I don't know if Pidgin was ported to that BB device or if the porter has disabled that feature for the BB users so that they are always visible when connected. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ ☎ +49-176-38902045 No! Nein! ¡No! Όχι! -- Ευχαριστούμε! ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: add telegram to pidgin
Javid Java wrote: > Hello > I love your program > You can add a telegram to the pidgin? See also: https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/16179 And the plugin (or manual addition?) linked in the comments: https://github.com/majn/telegram-purple This probably isn't the place for discussing privacy aspects of protocol design, though. That's a complicated and hairy topic. However, I can't help but add my one sentence of advice: Telegram has a habit of being a little cinematic and their crypto is apparently questionable. I'd much rather see Axolotl/Signal/TextSecure added as default prpls. ;) ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
