Re: mails with no Subject: line
El día Thursday, November 26, 2009 a las 08:47:16PM -0500, John Bailey escribió: It's been threatened before to make all our mailing lists forcibly reject mail without proper subject lines, but nothing has come of that yet. For the record, I'm fully in favor of rejecting blank subjects. Me too, and in addition in favor of rejecting HTML mails to lists; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: mails with no Subject: line
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:14:58 +0100, you wrote: Me too, and in addition in favor of rejecting HTML mails to lists; matthias And, require someone to join the list prior to posting. I'm all for it being as simple as possible, ie you send an e-mail message to the list. you get a bounce back telling you that you are posting to a OPEN LIST that anyone can read and join, and that SPAM is not tolerated. And if you understand these 'rulers' click here and you will be subscribed to the list and your message will be posted. This will solve a few problems: One is the (granted, few) pump and dump spammers. Two is the people who don't understand this is a list, and ANYONE can join this list. I recall a month of two ago someone was under the assumption his questions for help were sent securely to a few 'high level developers' and even threatened legal action if his posts didn't get removed from any and all archives of this list. If I remember he kept e-mailing (off list) one of the members DEMANDING the member remove his posts. Just my .02 :) ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: mails with no Subject: line
Hi, I think emails with no subject should be automatically banned from the mailing list. I also think that the mailing list should have [Pidgin] prefix in the subject line. (like all other mailing lists I subscribe to) Jesse Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Thursday, November 26, 2009 a las 08:47:16PM -0500, John Bailey escribió: It's been threatened before to make all our mailing lists forcibly reject mail without proper subject lines, but nothing has come of that yet. For the record, I'm fully in favor of rejecting blank subjects. Me too, and in addition in favor of rejecting HTML mails to lists; matthias ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: mails with no Subject: line
El día Friday, November 27, 2009 a las 07:10:17AM -0500, Jesse Palser escribió: Hi, I think emails with no subject should be automatically banned from the mailing list. ... In addition I think top-posting should be automatically banned from the mailing list; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ Vote NO to EU The Lisbon Treaty: http://www.no-means-no.eu ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
RE: mails with no Subject: line
[mailto:support-boun...@pidgin.im] On Behalf Of Jesse Palser Hi, I think emails with no subject should be automatically banned from the mailing list. I also think that the mailing list should have [Pidgin] prefix in the subject line. (like all other mailing lists I subscribe to) Half of the lists I subscribe to* don't have this. The other half does. It seems technical (for developers etc) lists do not have it, while more layman type of lists have it. But there are also exceptions. * about 20 mail lists About HTML and other bans: This is usually not a choice of the user. Punishing them for other peoples sins is not necessarily a good thing. Automatically stripping HTML tags on the other hand might work. Regards, David ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: mails with no Subject: line
at 2009-11-26T20:47-0500, John Bailey wrote: It's been threatened before to make all our mailing lists forcibly reject mail without proper subject lines, but nothing has come of that yet. For the record, I'm fully in favor of rejecting blank subjects. I wouldn't say threatened. I have in the past intended to bounce certain formulaically non-useful emails with a helpful set of instructions on how to make an email more likely to engender a useful response, and I'll probably do that at some point. One such rule would be an email with no subject, or one of a number of subject patterns which are entirely useless (help, pidgin, assistance, one question, etc.). As someone states elsewhere in this thread, we can't catch 100% of those, but that doesn't matter, and we don't have to. Ethan -- The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy for evils]. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishments, 1764 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: mails with no Subject: line
at 2009-11-27T00:36-0800, Evan platt wrote: And, require someone to join the list prior to posting. We have worked hard to prevent requiring this. I do not believe we want to require subscription for users to ask simple questions. I recall a month of two ago someone was under the assumption his questions for help were sent securely to a few 'high level developers' We cannot optimize for freakish one-off circumstances. This has even happened a few times ... but who cares? I'm leaving the rest of this thread behind. Arguing about details of things that don't happen and don't matter is just going to cause other people to complain about this list in one way or another. I anticipate at least one response to this thread saying, I signed up for this list expecting it to be support, and it's a bunch of people crying about email. ;-) Ethan -- The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws [that have no remedy for evils]. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, On Crimes and Punishments, 1764 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: mails with no Subject: line
Matthias Apitz wrote: without Subject: line... Why is this? Are they send by use of some MailUserAgent which makes it easy to do this, like this one: X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Or what is the reason for this? It could be partially the crappy webmail interfaces to blame, but a lot of this falls squarely on the shoulders of people who don't know how to use e-mail properly. It's been threatened before to make all our mailing lists forcibly reject mail without proper subject lines, but nothing has come of that yet. For the record, I'm fully in favor of rejecting blank subjects. John signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: mails with no Subject: line
John Bailey wrote: It could be partially the crappy webmail interfaces to blame, but a lot of this falls squarely on the shoulders of people who don't know how to use e-mail properly. It basically reflects the market for Pidgin, and particularly that segment of the market that can't solve problems, or determine that a request is unreasonable, by themselves. It's been threatened before to make all our mailing lists forcibly reject mail without proper subject lines, but nothing has come of that yet. For the record, I'm fully in favor of rejecting blank subjects. To do a good job, you would need some good heuristics. One or two word subjects or the use of the word help, should get poor scores, but I don't know how you do good AI to recognize all subjects that properly summarise a problem or question. I did try fixing up the subjects of articles to which I replied, but got complaints from people using subject only threading. -- David Woolley Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam, that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work. ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
