Re: Email Address Autocompletion
nr wrote: Using 2.0.1. When entering an email address in the To: box, after entering a few characters, prior versions of SeaMonkey would have the most recently used address at the top of the list (IIRC), but 2.0.1 brings up the list in alphabetical order. Is there any way to get the most recently used addresses at the top of the lists? This will be fixed in SM 2.0.3 (to be released in a few days): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497722 HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
»Q« wrote: Trying to convince the SM team that it's so vitally important that they should do it won't do any good, since even if they came to agree with you, they*can't* do it; they don't have enough people to do it and they don't have the right skills to do it. As said in amny forums, when Mozilla has their head on something. No opinions by Users, make one whit of difference. they do only what they are interested in. (And, FWIW, you can have javascript in RSS feeds executed by SM.) That's because RSS is a form of Web Browsing. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
can't install search plugins on SM2?
Hi, I'm trying to install some of the search plugins listed on mozilla add ons as compatible with SM 2. I'm using 2.02 now. When I try to install the search plugin, such as the rapidshare file finder, a message pops up saying Sorry you need a mozilla capable browser such as firefox... but this add on is listed for Seamonkey 2! Margo. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 2/2/2010 12:30, Phillip Jones told the world: I really hope HJ gets inspired enough to do the migration. He is the _true father of tabbed browsing_ . So we all owe him a debt of gratitude. So, 1.1.18 it is then. :-/ ahh so that's the rascal that's responsible. Well, not quite. The concept of a tabbed interface apparently came from IBM, as part of their CUA project. The first browser with something similar to modern tabs was a development version of Opera. But they kinda sat on it for a while, the feature was not very well known -- it only came to their mainstream browser after others had reinvented it independently. Then, there was Netcaptor, which was a front-end for the IE engine, that brought it to the general public. A couple others (including Opera) followed suit. HJ, the author of Multizilla, was the one who brought it to the Mozilla project -- in the form of an extension. Dave Hyatt saw it, liked it, and wrote his own implementation (not taken from Multizilla) for the trunk Mozilla browser. So, if you want someone to blame (I personally would thank), there's quite a bunch of people. The guys at IBM and Opera for creating it, the guys at Netcaptor for spreading it around, HJ for showing it could work in a Mozilla product or Dave Hyatt for making it a core feature. lol, well good on them all then! But especially HJ. :) The suite was the first place I came across tabs, years before IE ever had them. I guess that was 2002. And Multizilla was one of the first extensions I tried. Been using it ever since. On a slightly different note. Is anyone else that's still using SM 1.1.18 having trouble with chat in facebook (FB)? It always give the error message: Facebook Chat Error Could not connect to Facebook Chat at this time. Also on FB, the top status update (write something) text box. I click in it and the mouse pointer changes to a text pointer, the box gets a bit larger, but no cursor appears, and I can't type anything in the box. The attach links work though. As does everything else on FB. It all works fine with Google Chrome. Suggestions anyone? (besides updating to 2.x that is! :) ) Cheers. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: E-Mail adress suggestions
seam...@taz.de wrote: Ray_Net schrieb: Bill Davidsen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I did not know if i am dreaming or not, but i have the impression that: with SM1.1.18 the mail adress suggestions list when begining to type an adress was a list beginning with/sorted by last recently used. Now with SM 2.0.2 it looks like a sort of a strange alphabetic order. Is a bug already filled ? Am i wrong ? Nobody have seen this ? I think it's some kind of weighted LRU, I get the impression that if you make the same choice it rises (or something like that). If I email someone at their home rather than work the order changes at times. It looks like the LRU mechanism has dissappeared in 2.0.2. Hi, Users here experience and complain about exactly the described behavior. I've not found a filled bug, we should at least add the lru-feature to the wishlist. Gerd Ott Hi Gerd ! Good news .. i just read a solution: nr wrote: Using 2.0.1. When entering an email address in the To: box, after entering a few characters, prior versions of SeaMonkey would have the most recently used address at the top of the list (IIRC), but 2.0.1 brings up the list in alphabetical order. Is there any way to get the most recently used addresses at the top of the lists? This will be fixed in SM 2.0.3 (to be released in a few days): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497722 HTH Jens ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Nairda wrote: On a slightly different note. Is anyone else that's still using SM 1.1.18 having trouble with chat in facebook (FB)? It always give the error message: Facebook Chat Error Could not connect to Facebook Chat at this time. FB chat always has been flakey for me. I use SM 1117 and IE 8. Neither works very well. However... The new FB seems to be a lot better. They may have revised chat as well. Also on FB, the top status update (write something) text box. I click in it and the mouse pointer changes to a text pointer, the box gets a bit larger, but no cursor appears, and I can't type anything in the box. The attach links work though. As does everything else on FB. I think they renamed that to whats on your mind. SM 1117 never has worked very well with FB. I use IE 8 for FB and for all applications that have boxes and forms. It all works fine with Google Chrome. Suggestions anyone? (besides updating to 2.x that is! :) ) Cheers. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.3 - help wanted!
Hi everyone, All the builds and updates for SeaMonkey 2.0.3 have been created (updates are available on the betatest channel right now, will go to beta as soon as I have a few reports of the builds not being busted), so it's time for starting tests on them to ensure we get an update out there that is worth shipping to all our 2.0.x users. Please help us testing the Windows installers, Mac disk images and Linux packages, all available in 22 languages including US English - now including Japanese! The packages are available in the linux-i686, mac, and win32 subdirectories of http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build2/ You might notice a linux-x86_64 directory as well there - the 64bit build is NOT OFFICIAL and NOT ENDORSED. It will be listed as contributed build even if it was technically created by our build system, and it will be treated in no other way than usual contributed builds. In other word, it's just an experiment. Please use the builds for any usage patterns you can think of, possibly also doing a https://litmus.mozilla.org/run_tests.cgi?test_run_id=7 smoketest run on them. I know that Litmus run isn't perfect, but it's the best we have right now. Localizers, please test the builds in your locale, any updates can be taken with further sign-offs (in the new tool) for 2.0.4 and future updates. If no problems come up in testing those builds, they will go live as the official 2.0.3 on Tuesday, February 16, in sync with Firefox updates that will fix the same set of security issues. The list of bugs fixed in this update contains 112 public reports thus far, 23 security issues are currently hidden and only to be disclosed upon release of our updates. The bug query to find the issues is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=Coreproduct=Toolkitproduct=MailNews+Coreproduct=SeaMonkeyproduct=Other+Applicationsfield0-0-0=keywordstype0-0-0=anywordsvalue0-0-0=fixed-seamonkey2.0.3field0-0-1=cf_status_191type0-0-1=anywordsvalue0-0-1=.8-fixedfield0-1-0=keywordstype0-1-0=nowordsvalue0-1-0=fixed-seamonkey2.0.2 Over 30 of those are fixes specific to SeaMonkey, 30 more in the MailNews code we share with Thunderbird, look for bugs in that list that are filed against the SeaMonkey or MailNews Core products. A number of those fixes were done due to feedback from 2.0.x, we hope we can make the further experience of that series even smoother with those. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Nairda wrote: The suite was the first place I came across tabs, years before IE ever had them. I guess that was 2002. Cheers. TABS, the greatest innovation! I think I was using tabs even before 2002. With Avant Browser maybe year 2000? http://www.avantbrowser.com/ I use only Seamonkey and Avant (never IE) They both have GREAT features. Mike C PS: I'm still sticking with 1.1.18 for a while. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.3 - help wanted!
Robert Kaiser wrote: The packages are available in the linux-i686, mac, and win32 subdirectories of http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build2/ Received a 'Not Found' error for the above link, but did find 2.0.3pre here http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ -- Alan. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 or 2.x ?? (curious)
Mike C wrote: Nairda wrote: The suite was the first place I came across tabs, years before IE ever had them. I guess that was 2002. Cheers. TABS, the greatest innovation! I think I was using tabs even before 2002. With Avant Browser maybe year 2000? http://www.avantbrowser.com/ I use only Seamonkey and Avant (never IE) They both have GREAT features. Mike C PS: I'm still sticking with 1.1.18 for a while. Second - tabs rock! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.3 - help wanted!
On 02/06/2010 09:58 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: Hi everyone, All the builds and updates for SeaMonkey 2.0.3 have been created (updates are available on the betatest channel right now, will go to beta as soon as I have a few reports of the builds not being busted), so it's time for starting tests on them to ensure we get an update out there that is worth shipping to all our 2.0.x users. Please help us testing the Windows installers, Mac disk images and Linux packages, all available in 22 languages including US English - now including Japanese! The packages are available in the linux-i686, mac, and win32 subdirectories of http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build2/ http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build1/ Not Found The requested URL /pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build2/ was not found on this server. Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) Server at ftp.mozilla.org Port 80 I'll try installs on Win2K, WinXP, Win7, linux 32 64 (thanks!) today. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.3 - help wanted!
On 02/06/2010 10:28 AM, Alan Cummings wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: The packages are available in the linux-i686, mac, and win32 subdirectories of http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build2/ Received a 'Not Found' error for the above link, but did find 2.0.3pre here http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build1/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.3 - help wanted!
NoOp wrote: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build1/ Oops, sorry, yes, that's it. cp error. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
On or about 2/6/2010 2:25 PM, NoOp typed the following: On 02/05/2010 07:49 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: Don't have OpenOffice. Mac builds are a little different, but should work fine. Give OOo a spin: http://www.openoffice.org/ http://download.openoffice.org/index.html http://download.openoffice.org/other.html http://support.openoffice.org/index.html And specific to Mac: http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/index.html I've been using 00 since version 1. Now on 3.1.1 and I have so much confidence in it I have removed M$ Office from my home machine. -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu We would all like to vote for the best man but he is never a candidate. ~Frank McKinney Kin Hubbard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Time-Out Settings?
chicagofan wrote: chicagofan wrote: Cedar wrote: I'm just taking a wild guess here! Is there such a thing as a time-out setting for SM (or FF, for that matter), that would tell the browser to keep looking for a website for a longer time before telling me to try again, etc., etc.? Is that what a time-out even is? If there is such a changeable setting, where could it be found? In SM under Edit/Preferences/Network Storage/Mail Connections you can change your Connection Timeout: [ ] seconds. Let us know if it works for you, some people doubt it is working. :) I changed mine, and it seemed to work for me, but I was reducing the default time. bj Oops... I just realized that setting is apparently just for mail connections. Sorry about that. :( bj Uh, ya, I was actually looking for such a setting for the browser. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Windows Live and SM
Does SM Mail work on Windows Live? My ISP is switching over to Windows Live and from what they are telling me, it can only be accessed through a browser, and, with no way to download the e-mails to why computer!!Please.tell me it's not true! ??? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.3 - help wanted!
On 02/06/2010 11:14 AM, NoOp wrote: ... I'll try installs on Win2K, WinXP, Win7, linux 32 64 (thanks!) today. Following installs went w/o issue and are now operational on: Win2KPro, WinXPPro, Win7(Home Premium 64bit): Index of /pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build1/win32/en-US SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.3.exe 05-Feb-2010 19:01 10M Linux 32bit (Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 - 2.6.31-19-generic): Index of /pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build1/linux-i686/en-US seamonkey-2.0.3.tar.bz2 05-Feb-2010 18:15 13M Linux 64bit (Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 - 2.6.31-19-generic): Index of /pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build1/linux-i686/en-US seamonkey-2.0.3.tar.bz2 05-Feb-2010 18:15 13M Note: the above had SM 2.0.2 on them - they probably need to test reinstalled as fresh installs to check further, but not sure if I'll have time to do that today. Gary ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Windows Live and SM
Cedar wrote, on 2010-02-06 17:30: Does SM Mail work on Windows Live? My ISP is switching over to Windows Live and from what they are telling me, it can only be accessed through a browser, and, with no way to download the e-mails to why computer!!Please.tell me it's not true! ??? It is not true. Windows Live now supports the POP3 mail protocol. You just configure a POP3 account in SeaMonkey and all of your e-mails can be downloaded to your computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.3 - help wanted!
On 02/06/2010 12:51 PM, NoOp wrote: On 02/06/2010 11:14 AM, NoOp wrote: ... I'll try installs on Win2K, WinXP, Win7, linux 32 64 (thanks!) today. Following installs went w/o issue and are now operational on: Win2KPro, WinXPPro, Win7(Home Premium 64bit): Index of /pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build1/win32/en-US SeaMonkey Setup 2.0.3.exe 05-Feb-2010 19:01 10M Linux 32bit (Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 - 2.6.31-19-generic): Index of /pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build1/linux-i686/en-US seamonkey-2.0.3.tar.bz2 05-Feb-2010 18:15 13M Linux 64bit (Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 - 2.6.31-19-generic): Index of /pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.3-candidates/build1/linux-i686/en-US seamonkey-2.0.3.tar.bz2 05-Feb-2010 18:15 13M Sorry, forgot to add these: Win7 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100205 SeaMonkey/2.0.3 WinXP User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100205 SeaMonkey/2.0.3 Win2K User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100205 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3 linux 64bit: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100205 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3 linux 32bit: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100205 Lightning/1.0b1 SeaMonkey/2.0.3 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
NoOp wrote: On 02/05/2010 07:49 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: On 02/05/2010 06:25 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: George Carden /snip/ Don't have OpenOffice. Mac builds are a little different, but should work fine. Give OOo a spin: http://www.openoffice.org/ http://download.openoffice.org/index.html http://download.openoffice.org/other.html http://support.openoffice.org/index.html And specific to Mac: http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/index.html I've had really good success with NeoOffice: www.neooffice.org Since Open Office runs on Macs without X11 now, it shouldn't really be necessary, but its worked so well for so long for me that i have seen no need to switch. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On or about 2/3/2010 6:28 AM, BeeNeR typed the following: S N I P Anyhow, I'm more than happy with an integrated net program such as SeaMonkey. I wasn't too happy with 2.0.0, but when I was able to get the password problem solved (don't use one) and the auto-mail addressing situation resolved I've been quite happy with SM. Only two minor issues left to take care of (at least for my operation) are the inability to delete addresses from mailing lists in the manner that existed in 1.x and I really do miss the 'QUICKSTART' button. Please bring it back. 2.0.3 has fixed the delete address problem - now *if* only the 'QUICKSTART' button would be re-instated. (: -- Ed http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1zhwu Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are right. –H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Time-Out Settings?
Cedar wrote: chicagofan wrote: chicagofan wrote: Cedar wrote: I'm just taking a wild guess here! Is there such a thing as a time-out setting for SM (or FF, for that matter), that would tell the browser to keep looking for a website for a longer time before telling me to try again, etc., etc.? Is that what a time-out even is? If there is such a changeable setting, where could it be found? In SM under Edit/Preferences/Network Storage/Mail Connections you can change your Connection Timeout: [ ] seconds. Oops... I just realized that setting is apparently just for mail connections. Sorry about that. :( Uh, ya, I was actually looking for such a setting for the browser. I thought it was for both initially, because of the Network mention. Apparently the network settings for your operating system and ISP connection are your only hope. Sorry I haven't seen anything in SM specifically for the browser. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Time-Out Settings?
Cedar wrote: chicagofan wrote: chicagofan wrote: Cedar wrote: I'm just taking a wild guess here! Is there such a thing as a time-out setting for SM (or FF, for that matter), that would tell the browser to keep looking for a website for a longer time before telling me to try again, etc., etc.? Is that what a time-out even is? If there is such a changeable setting, where could it be found? In SM under Edit/Preferences/Network Storage/Mail Connections you can change your Connection Timeout: [ ] seconds. Let us know if it works for you, some people doubt it is working. :) I changed mine, and it seemed to work for me, but I was reducing the default time. bj Oops... I just realized that setting is apparently just for mail connections. Sorry about that. :( bj Uh, ya, I was actually looking for such a setting for the browser. I'm having an issue with sending email takes a long time. the progress bar continues, then say copy complete then you have to dismiss the progress bar. When I used SM 1.1.18 didn't have this problem. Not related to size of post. some large , most small. I post in this thread because I believe its a Time out issue. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.3 - help wanted!
NoOp wrote: On 02/06/2010 12:51 PM, NoOp wrote: On 02/06/2010 11:14 AM, NoOp wrote: ... I'll try installs on Win2K, WinXP, Win7, linux 32 64 (thanks!) today. Following installs went w/o issue and are now operational on: Win2KPro, WinXPPro, Win7(Home Premium 64bit): [...] Linux 32bit (Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 - 2.6.31-19-generic): [...] Linux 64bit (Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 - 2.6.31-19-generic): [...] Thanks a ton, I think I have enough functional testing to turn on updates on the beta channel :) Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
BeeNeR wrote: 2.0.3 has fixed the delete address problem - now *if* only the 'QUICKSTART' button would be re-instated. (: Good to hear! The quickstart stuff won't come back in 2.0.x though, unless someone comes up with a creative add-on that does it - and who knows what our community is able to do... For 2.1, we'll see - there's a platform feature in development that allows the preloading of a lot of things, but doesn't create the tray icon, so that's only one part of this. Again, if someone comes up with a creative add-on solution, we'd be quite happy! Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Testing For SeaMonkey 2.0.3 - help wanted!
On 02/06/2010 02:53 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote: NoOp wrote: On 02/06/2010 12:51 PM, NoOp wrote: On 02/06/2010 11:14 AM, NoOp wrote: ... I'll try installs on Win2K, WinXP, Win7, linux 32 64 (thanks!) today. Following installs went w/o issue and are now operational on: Win2KPro, WinXPPro, Win7(Home Premium 64bit): [...] Linux 32bit (Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 - 2.6.31-19-generic): [...] Linux 64bit (Ubuntu Karmic 9.10 - 2.6.31-19-generic): [...] Thanks a ton, I think I have enough functional testing to turn on updates on the beta channel :) Robert Kaiser Welcome thank *you* *all SeaMonkey devs/contributors* - particularly for the 64bit linux build! SeaMonkey 2.x rocks! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Time-Out Settings?
chicagofan wrote: Cedar wrote: chicagofan wrote: chicagofan wrote: Cedar wrote: I'm just taking a wild guess here! Is there such a thing as a time-out setting for SM (or FF, for that matter), that would tell the browser to keep looking for a website for a longer time before telling me to try again, etc., etc.? Is that what a time-out even is? If there is such a changeable setting, where could it be found? In SM under Edit/Preferences/Network Storage/Mail Connections you can change your Connection Timeout: [ ] seconds. Oops... I just realized that setting is apparently just for mail connections. Sorry about that. :( Uh, ya, I was actually looking for such a setting for the browser. I thought it was for both initially, because of the Network mention. Apparently the network settings for your operating system and ISP connection are your only hope. Sorry I haven't seen anything in SM specifically for the browser. bj Thanks for the info. Now, where could I find these network settings for xp, and for my isp connection? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Interviewed by CNN on 4/2/2010 23:45, Rufus told the world: In that between Mozilla, Fire Fox, Goggle Chrome, Camino, Safari, et. al. there are SO many things that look the same and/or function the same. Which leads to the thought that many of these people are obviously cooperating and collaborating. My previous assumption was that only the Google and Apple teams were paid professionals and that the SM team are all volunteer professionals or amateurs...but if all pf these people are all working together and following each other around...what's the big diff between one set and the other then? One reason you might see similarities between browsers is that they are products designed to do essentially the same thing and, frankly, people steal ideas back and forth all the time. Another reason is that, with IE's stranglehold on the browser market until a few years ago, none of the other players had the critical mass to introduce new standards. So they learned to collaborate heavily in standards. Even now, Microsoft is *still* bigger than all of them combined. So they keep collaborating. The big split for a webdesigner nowadays is IE/Non-IE, because all the other browsers pay a lot of attention to standards compliance -- and therefore render similarly in most cases. That is, unless you are doing something very fancy and cutting-edge, a page that renders well in Firefox should render fairly well in Chrome, Safari and Opera too -- but might break horribly in IE. And a third reason is that when Apple decided to create their own browsers, they hired people who previously worked on Mozilla -- being a volunteer project, there was a lot of expertise around not tied by contracts. Similarly, Google hired a number of Mozilla developers to work in Chrome. Some ex-Mozilla developers also found their way into Opera and even Microsoft. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #19: floating point processor overflow *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.2 * http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
Interviewed by CNN on 5/2/2010 02:59, Rufus told the world: Where I get confused is that I read a lot of posts here that fall back on - but we're just all volunteers, the other guys are paid...which comes off sounding like I should expect less. What I really think is that everyone involved is equally competent - paid or not. And when things all start looking the same or similar between products, it starts looking like you are all working together in any event. So...just what should I expect? Seamonkey reuses a lot of stuff (like the entire innards, and parts of the user interface) which was originally written for Firefox and Thunderbird. So, yes, you are going go see similarities in functionality. Also, there's a matter of general style -- Seamonkey considers itself as part of the Mozilla family, so SM borrows some styling cues from FFTB. As has been mentioned, the Mozilla Corporation (responsible for Firefox) and Mozilla Messaging (responsible for Thunderbird) have actual budgets, with money coming part from grants (they are both owned by the Mozilla Foundation, which is a registered charity) and part from business deals like the Google advertising thing. So they can hire people to supplement the volunteer developers. This is important for two reasons: 1- Paid developers can give eight-hour days, five days a week. Volunteers can give one or two hours a day, and perhaps not even every day. So the hours add up. 2- Some kinds of expertise are hard to come by in a volunteer basis, because the job can't be easily split among a lot of people. User interface design is a good example. You want a consistent UI, not a patchwork, so you need somebody to head the whole project -- that means a lot of hours, way above what can be reasonably expected from a volunteer. So Firefox has full-time paid UI guys, and Seamonkey doesn't. That's why Mac users are impressed with Thunderbird 3 -- a lot of work went into making TB3/Mac mesh well with OSX. SM doesn't have this kind of resources, so SM/Mac does not mesh as well -- the SM/Mac look is less customized, more similar to the SM/Win and SM/Linux looks. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #134: because of network lag due to too many people playing deathmatch *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.2 * http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 4/2/2010 23:45, Rufus told the world: In that between Mozilla, Fire Fox, Goggle Chrome, Camino, Safari, et. al. there are SO many things that look the same and/or function the same. Which leads to the thought that many of these people are obviously cooperating and collaborating. My previous assumption was that only the Google and Apple teams were paid professionals and that the SM team are all volunteer professionals or amateurs...but if all pf these people are all working together and following each other around...what's the big diff between one set and the other then? One reason you might see similarities between browsers is that they are products designed to do essentially the same thing and, frankly, people steal ideas back and forth all the time. Another reason is that, with IE's stranglehold on the browser market until a few years ago, none of the other players had the critical mass to introduce new standards. So they learned to collaborate heavily in standards. Even now, Microsoft is *still* bigger than all of them combined. So they keep collaborating. The big split for a webdesigner nowadays is IE/Non-IE, because all the other browsers pay a lot of attention to standards compliance -- and therefore render similarly in most cases. That is, unless you are doing something very fancy and cutting-edge, a page that renders well in Firefox should render fairly well in Chrome, Safari and Opera too -- but might break horribly in IE. Funny that in these days of non-disclosure, intellectual property, and copyright, that such could go on...but what else could they do, I suppose? Particularly if they all want to establish and agree on some standards. And a third reason is that when Apple decided to create their own browsers, they hired people who previously worked on Mozilla -- being a volunteer project, there was a lot of expertise around not tied by contracts. Similarly, Google hired a number of Mozilla developers to work in Chrome. Some ex-Mozilla developers also found their way into Opera and even Microsoft. Thanks. That's all great summary. Very informative. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 5/2/2010 02:59, Rufus told the world: Where I get confused is that I read a lot of posts here that fall back on - but we're just all volunteers, the other guys are paid...which comes off sounding like I should expect less. What I really think is that everyone involved is equally competent - paid or not. And when things all start looking the same or similar between products, it starts looking like you are all working together in any event. So...just what should I expect? Seamonkey reuses a lot of stuff (like the entire innards, and parts of the user interface) which was originally written for Firefox and Thunderbird. So, yes, you are going go see similarities in functionality. Also, there's a matter of general style -- Seamonkey considers itself as part of the Mozilla family, so SM borrows some styling cues from FFTB. That's pretty much what I as thinking, and why I keep saying things like code sharing and/or collaboration. That only makes common sense. At least at it's roots - even if the SM team did or does branch off of that basic code. As has been mentioned, the Mozilla Corporation (responsible for Firefox) and Mozilla Messaging (responsible for Thunderbird) have actual budgets, with money coming part from grants (they are both owned by the Mozilla Foundation, which is a registered charity) and part from business deals like the Google advertising thing. So they can hire people to supplement the volunteer developers. This is important for two reasons: 1- Paid developers can give eight-hour days, five days a week. Volunteers can give one or two hours a day, and perhaps not even every day. So the hours add up. Ok - now that makes things very clear...I took a guess that my postulated Moz-corp was a non-profit of some sort. Bottom line though, is that they have an organizational hierarchy, focus, and strategy...they operate as a business. Something that seems missing in SM team approach/organization/practice...at least it appears that way, reading some of the bug threads. Just because people aren't being paid shouldn't stop them from employing best professional practices, IMO. 2- Some kinds of expertise are hard to come by in a volunteer basis, because the job can't be easily split among a lot of people. User interface design is a good example. You want a consistent UI, not a patchwork, so you need somebody to head the whole project -- that means a lot of hours, way above what can be reasonably expected from a volunteer. So Firefox has full-time paid UI guys, and Seamonkey doesn't. That's why Mac users are impressed with Thunderbird 3 -- a lot of work went into making TB3/Mac mesh well with OSX. SM doesn't have this kind of resources, so SM/Mac does not mesh as well -- the SM/Mac look is less customized, more similar to the SM/Win and SM/Linux looks. What does seem a bit odd to me is that the PC interfaces are also looking more Mac-like, IMO...something I wouldn't have expected. I can understand wanting to economize effort, and I could see that happening with the OS X/Linux versions, but I wouldn't have thought the Mac users would win out in a UI/UE trade...not that I'll complain about that. Thanks again. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help Test Autofill Forms 0.9.5.2 Mod for SeaMonkey 2.0!
Jens Hatlak wrote: Philip Chee wrote: I've just ported Autofill Forms to SeaMonkey 2.0. Before I push this public I would like some brave souls to beta test this. I've gotten it to install and the UI to show up and there are no obvious JS errors. Since I don't normally auto-fill forms even with SeaMonkey 1.1 I haven't tested that it actually fills in forms at all. I haven't tested extensively either but it seems to do the job. Installs fine, the toolbar button is there after the restart and works, settings are accessible and appear to work, saving a form and letting SM fill one in using a saved profile works, too. The context menu entries do as advertised as well. Good job! :-) Now where are all those people screaming around time and again, demanding bring back form manager? It'll be interesting to see what they say, or if they react at all to this. Anyway, thanks for your efforts! I put it on my to-do list, the next time I have to fill in a problem form I'll activate and test it. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey Mail Filters
Donald D Henson wrote: Is anyone else having problems with mail filters. I have some that work ok but others do strange and wonderful things. For example, I have a filter for Seamonkey messages. Occasionally, the filter will, all by itself, disable itself. Now it's copying messages rather than moving them. I haven't done any extensive troubleshooting but I will if others are having similar problems. If anyone has already figured it out, please let me know. Thanks. What version? I have no trouble where I read my non-critical mail amd follow my rss feeds, I have six mail account, three news account, and ~170 rss feeds, with about 100 filters doing a lot of triage. As of this afternoon all working well with 2.0.2. Just checked another machine with about 25 rules is still fine with 2.0.3pre-recent. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Missing LPR command dialog in Seamonkey 2/very basic Linux
Peter Nieman wrote: On 04/02/10 11:40, Miro wrote: Seamonkey 2.0.x seems to ignore most of these, and does not recognize any printer, only presents the possibility Print to File. For me (Debian user), the solution was to add the following line to the file .gtkrc-2.0 in my home directory: gtk-print-backends = lpr,file Create a new file with that name and content, if it does not exist. However, Seamonkey does not remember any changes to the printing command you might wish to make in the print dialog. I think that's a known bug (in GTK perhaps). As far as I am concerned that is a bug fix, I had to rewrite the command every time I wanted to do some extra processing. I think the best solution would be to have a checkbox for make this the default command like the one in remembering passwords. That way someone who uses filtering more than rarely would not mess up their default command. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:56:53 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Good to hear! The quickstart stuff won't come back in 2.0.x though, unless someone comes up with a creative add-on that does it - and who knows what our community is able to do... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/2831 MinimizeToTray Plus 1.0.8 Minimize applications to the system tray. Works for Firefox 3, Thunderbird 3 and Sunbird 1 and higher. Highly configurable with a number of user changeable options. Download Now (Linux) Download Now (Windows) Version 1.0.8 Works with SeaMonkey: 2.0 – 2.1a1pre Updated January 29, 2010 Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Goodbye Seamonkey
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:08:43 -0200, MCBastos wrote: And a third reason is that when Apple decided to create their own browsers, they hired people who previously worked on Mozilla -- being a volunteer project, there was a lot of expertise around not tied by contracts. Similarly, Google hired a number of Mozilla developers to work in Chrome. Some ex-Mozilla developers also found their way into Opera and even Microsoft. And there are some ex-microsofties working for Mozilla too. Al's first blog post as a Mozilla employee was spent dissing his former employer :D Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]My reality check just bounced. * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
