Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

William Morrison wrote:


I'm running XP Sp3 and couldn't get to work with Seamonkey 2.0.4 but
did with IE8 and Chrome, tried Safari for Windows and got a pop-up
saying they didn't support that browser with a list of supported
ones; Windows: IE7, IE8, Foxfire3, Foxfire2, Chrome with Mac:
Foxfire3, Foxfire2, Safari, Chrome, Camino


"Foxfire"? That's a new one on me.

If they're sniffing for that, the site is worse than we thought...

;-)

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Re: changing language for spell-checking

[cyberzen]

Mike Gasser a écrit :

I've recently switched over to SM from Firefox and Apple Mail. I sometimes
use different languages for writing email and want spell-checking to be on,
especially for the languages that are not my first. In Mail it was easy to
switch the language for one email, then switch back for the next.

I can't figure out how to do this in SM (v. 2.0.4, MacOS 10.5), or if it's
possible.

Mike


other dictionaries can be downloaded as extension
and there is a spell check icon in the email toolbar whith a dropdown 
menu that permits a choice of the language for the hight lighted text


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Re: Tone when printing in SeaMonkey 2.0+

[Gabriele]

art ha scritto:

On 4/21/10 8:02 AM, Reed wrote:


When upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.0+.

Now when I keystroke Cmd-P for printing I hear a tone. This featur can
it be removed?

OS is Tiger 10.4.11


I experience the same on 10.4.11 with most keyboard commands such as
cmd/C, cmd/X, cmd/V, cmd/shift/C (mark all read). The functions operate
properly. This was not a problem prior to SM2.


Hi,

the same for me, when I type cmd/U (I use it several times a day to 
copy-past headers from spam messages) or cmd/P.





The way to block this is to open the browser window and enter:
about:config

In the search bar, enter:
accessibility.typeaheadfind.enablesound

Double click on this setting to change the state to false.



That doesn't work :(


Gabriele
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SM 2.0.4 (OS X Tiger) doesn't Print !

[Gabriele]

Hello all,

since a few days I can't print anymore.
Using cmd/P or selecting the Print menu, I only hear the system beep and no 
window appears; if I go to the Window menu, I do see a numbered (but with no 
title) line and if I click on it it just bring up an empty window!


I did not install anything new.

Is there any preference file, maybe it's corrupted, I can safely trash to 
solve this problem?


tnx,
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Re: Building sub-folders for mail storage.

[Lucas Levrel]

Le 28 avril 2010, Daniel a écrit :

Lucas, are you reading my mind (before I think things), or channelling me, or 
something??


I've let you nearly 3 hours to answer. Seeing it was past midnight for 
you, I thought you had fallen asleep and posted.


:-D
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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

[William Morrison]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

William Morrison wrote:


I'm running XP Sp3 and couldn't get to work with Seamonkey 2.0.4 but
did with IE8 and Chrome, tried Safari for Windows and got a pop-up
saying they didn't support that browser with a list of supported
ones; Windows: IE7, IE8, Foxfire3, Foxfire2, Chrome with Mac:
Foxfire3, Foxfire2, Safari, Chrome, Camino


"Foxfire"? That's a new one on me.

If they're sniffing for that, the site is worse than we thought...

;-)

Ok so I had my tongue wrapped around my eye teeth and couldn't see what 
I was typing. LOL  I never have used it, just IE, Netscape and Seamonkey 
but have Chrome and Safari on my computer for when those gave me problems.


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Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Russ Hunt]

I've recent discovered two commercial sites that I cannot access via
SEamonkey, though both response when I use Firefox, Internet Explorer,
and Chrome.  One is this:

https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US

I get a message saying: "This operation is not currently available.
Please contact your System Administrator and try again later.
We are sorry for this interruption in your service." I don't get that
message with any other browser.

With this site:

https://www6.memberdirect.net/brand/at_722/OnlineBanking/Accounts/?welcome=1

I simply get a blank screen; with the other three browsers I get a
login page.

I'd rather stay with SeaMonkey, but something troubling is going on
here.

-- Russ

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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

[Dick Hoffman]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 4/29/2010 3:18 PM, Dick Hoffman wrote:

Maybe I spoke too soon. I installed the User Agent Switcher, switched to
IE7 and tried to load the video. I got a different appearing page but
the video still did not play. Also tried IE8 setting with same result.
Deinstalled the Switcher.
Dick



Actually, you're running a Gecko-based browser, so you want to
spoof Firefox. If the site is sending IE-specific code when it
thinks you're running IE (because you spoofed it that way), then
you'll get code your browser can't run.

Just so you understand, the spoofer doesn't make your browser
*act* like the browser you're spoofing. It just makes your
browser *say* it's the browser you're spoofing.

You'll want User Agent Switcher. If I were you, I would install
it and learn to use it.

By the way, it doesn't come with any Firefox user agent settings.
You'll need to get your own and add them to it. You can search
(using Google or similar) for "User Agent Strings" to find lots
of them available.

OK, I tried User Agent Switcher but there's no Firefox setting in it as 
installed and I don't understand how to update it to add just Firefox. I 
then tried Prefbar and got essentially the same result; no Firefox 
setting and no clear way to update it. There's probably some forum to go 
to for help with extensions, right?

Dick
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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[chicagofan]

Russ Hunt wrote:

I've recent discovered two commercial sites that I cannot access via
SEamonkey, though both response when I use Firefox, Internet Explorer,
and Chrome.  One is this:

https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US

I get a message saying: "This operation is not currently available.
Please contact your System Administrator and try again later.
We are sorry for this interruption in your service." I don't get that
message with any other browser.



I got the same... with SM 2.04 and WinXP2.



With this site:

https://www6.memberdirect.net/brand/at_722/OnlineBanking/Accounts/?welcome=1

I simply get a blank screen; with the other three browsers I get a
login page.



With this page however I got the normal log in page, as you got with other 
browsers.



I'd rather stay with SeaMonkey, but something troubling is going on
here.



Perhaps the first site is working on a site update?   What version of SM are you 
using... and O/S?

Some others may have some suggestions to help you.
bj


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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

[Rufus]

Dick Hoffman wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 4/29/2010 3:18 PM, Dick Hoffman wrote:

Maybe I spoke too soon. I installed the User Agent Switcher, switched to
IE7 and tried to load the video. I got a different appearing page but
the video still did not play. Also tried IE8 setting with same result.
Deinstalled the Switcher.
Dick



Actually, you're running a Gecko-based browser, so you want to
spoof Firefox. If the site is sending IE-specific code when it
thinks you're running IE (because you spoofed it that way), then
you'll get code your browser can't run.

Just so you understand, the spoofer doesn't make your browser
*act* like the browser you're spoofing. It just makes your
browser *say* it's the browser you're spoofing.

You'll want User Agent Switcher. If I were you, I would install
it and learn to use it.

By the way, it doesn't come with any Firefox user agent settings.
You'll need to get your own and add them to it. You can search
(using Google or similar) for "User Agent Strings" to find lots
of them available.

OK, I tried User Agent Switcher but there's no Firefox setting in it as 
installed and I don't understand how to update it to add just Firefox. I 
then tried Prefbar and got essentially the same result; no Firefox 
setting and no clear way to update it. There's probably some forum to go 
to for help with extensions, right?

Dick


I use this very handy reference site with User Agent Switcher -

http://www.useragentstring.com/

Just go to the List of User Agent Strings, and copy the one you'd like 
to spoof.  Then open User Agent Switcher, select Edit User Agents->New 
and paste in the new string.


Really slick and easy once you get the hang of it, and the website above 
does a good job of telling you what the contents/syntax of a User Agent 
string actually mean - I've even hacked up one or two of my own for 
Safari that weren't listed on the site at the time.


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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

[Dick Hoffman]

Rufus wrote:

Dick Hoffman wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 4/29/2010 3:18 PM, Dick Hoffman wrote:

Maybe I spoke too soon. I installed the User Agent Switcher,
switched to
IE7 and tried to load the video. I got a different appearing page but
the video still did not play. Also tried IE8 setting with same result.
Deinstalled the Switcher.
Dick



Actually, you're running a Gecko-based browser, so you want to
spoof Firefox. If the site is sending IE-specific code when it
thinks you're running IE (because you spoofed it that way), then
you'll get code your browser can't run.

Just so you understand, the spoofer doesn't make your browser
*act* like the browser you're spoofing. It just makes your
browser *say* it's the browser you're spoofing.

You'll want User Agent Switcher. If I were you, I would install
it and learn to use it.

By the way, it doesn't come with any Firefox user agent settings.
You'll need to get your own and add them to it. You can search
(using Google or similar) for "User Agent Strings" to find lots
of them available.


OK, I tried User Agent Switcher but there's no Firefox setting in it
as installed and I don't understand how to update it to add just
Firefox. I then tried Prefbar and got essentially the same result; no
Firefox setting and no clear way to update it. There's probably some
forum to go to for help with extensions, right?
Dick


I use this very handy reference site with User Agent Switcher -

http://www.useragentstring.com/

Just go to the List of User Agent Strings, and copy the one you'd like
to spoof. Then open User Agent Switcher, select Edit User Agents->New
and paste in the new string.

Really slick and easy once you get the hang of it, and the website above
does a good job of telling you what the contents/syntax of a User Agent
string actually mean - I've even hacked up one or two of my own for
Safari that weren't listed on the site at the time.

Thanks, Rufus, for the very simple instructions. That worked; now my 
wife can watch the genealogy videos with SM to her heart's content.

Dick
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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Rubens]

chicagofan wrote, on 2010-04-30 14:53:

Russ Hunt wrote:

I've recent discovered two commercial sites that I cannot access via
SEamonkey, though both response when I use Firefox, Internet Explorer,
and Chrome.  One is this:

https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US

I get a message saying: "This operation is not currently available.
Please contact your System Administrator and try again later.
We are sorry for this interruption in your service." I don't get that
message with any other browser.



I got the same... with SM 2.04 and WinXP2.


I got the same... with old SM 1.1.4 and Win2000SP4.





With this site:

https://www6.memberdirect.net/brand/at_722/OnlineBanking/Accounts/?welcome=1 



I simply get a blank screen; with the other three browsers I get a
login page.



With this page however I got the normal log in page, as you got with


I got the normal log in page... with old SM 1.1.4 and Win2000SP4.


other browsers.



I'd rather stay with SeaMonkey, but something troubling is going on
here.



Perhaps the first site is working on a site update?   What version of SM 
are you using... and O/S?

Some others may have some suggestions to help you.
bj



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Bottom line missing??

[HilsB]

SM2.0.4  on iMac. Mail and News reader has lost the bottom line 
of little icons.

Cannot find anything in 'Preferences'
Help appreciated.
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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[J. Weaver Jr.]

Russ Hunt wrote:

I've recent discovered two commercial sites that I cannot access via
SEamonkey, though both response when I use Firefox, Internet Explorer,
and Chrome.  One is this:

https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US

I get a message saying: "This operation is not currently available.
Please contact your System Administrator and try again later.
We are sorry for this interruption in your service." I don't get that
message with any other browser.


That site gives me a Username/Password prompt. Looks normal.


With this site:

https://www6.memberdirect.net/brand/at_722/OnlineBanking/Accounts/?welcome=1

I simply get a blank screen; with the other three browsers I get a
login page.


That site gives me a login page as well.

UA: "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) 
Gecko/20100317 NOT Firefox/3.6 Mnenhy/0.8.1 SeaMonkey/2.0.4"


I have "general.useragent.extra.firefox" set to "NOT Firefox/3.6". See 
if that helps you.  -JW


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Re: Bottom line missing??

[Rufus]

HilsB wrote:
SM2.0.4  on iMac. Mail and News reader has lost the bottom line of 
little icons.

Cannot find anything in 'Preferences'
Help appreciated.


Look under View->Show/Hide and make sure Status Bar is checked.

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Re: Bottom line missing??

[J. Weaver Jr.]

HilsB wrote:

SM2.0.4  on iMac. Mail and News reader has lost the bottom line
of little icons.
Cannot find anything in 'Preferences'
Help appreciated.


On the Win version, on the "View" menu, it's "Show/Hide..." and then 
check "Status Bar".  -JW

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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Russ Hunt]

Thanks, Rubens.

> I get a message saying: "This operation is not currently available.
> Please contact your System Administrator and try again later. We are
> sorry for this interruption in your service." I don't get that message
> with any other browser. 

> I got the same... with SM 2.04 and WinXP2. 
> 
> I got the same... with old SM 1.1.4 and Win2000SP4.

Yep.  What I'm using is SM 2.04, and WinXP2.

About the second page:

> With this page however I got the normal log in page, as you got with 

> I got the normal log in page... with old SM 1.1.4 and Win2000SP4. 

Hm.  Tried it three different times, this morning, and got just a 
blank screen: when I tried it again just now, though, it came up 
fine.

> Perhaps the first site is working on a site update?   

Seems more likely the second one was. The first is the phone 
company's Web mail page, and the error message is consistent.  

https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US

They apparently recently configured their server, and it's since then 
that SM doesn't work. I'd contact them about the problem, but you 
know exactly what they'll say: "Why don't you use Internet Explorer, 
like everybody else?" 

My guess is that there's an issue with SM 2.04 (and older versions 
too, apparently).

-- Russ

Russ Hunt
Department of English
St. Thomas University
http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/

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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Russ Hunt]

Well. 

> > https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US

> That site gives me a Username/Password prompt. Looks normal.

That's interesting. I wonder what the difference is.  I've tried it 
from two different machines (both running SM 2.04 and WinXP), and 
consistently get the error message.

The second site does seem to have been a temporary glitch; it works 
okay on SM for me now, too.

> I have "general.useragent.extra.firefox" set to "NOT Firefox/3.6". See
> if that helps you.  -JW 

Hm.  I haven't been able to find out where that is. How do I set 
that?

Thanks.

-- Russ



Russ Hunt
Department of English
St. Thomas University
http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/

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Re: Bottom line missing??

[HilsB]

Rufus wrote:

HilsB wrote:

SM2.0.4 on iMac. Mail and News reader has lost the bottom line of
little icons.
Cannot find anything in 'Preferences'
Help appreciated.


Look under View->Show/Hide and make sure Status Bar is checked.



Thank you J. Weaver and Rufus
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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Ray_Net]

Russ Hunt wrote:

Well.



I have "general.useragent.extra.firefox" set to "NOT Firefox/3.6". See
if that helps you.  -JW


Hm.  I haven't been able to find out where that is. How do I set
that?


in SM browser, type the url   about:config
then enter a New string: general.useragent.extra.firefox
then set this string equal to: NOT Firefox/3.6
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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Paul]

Russ Hunt wrote:

I've recent discovered two commercial sites that I cannot access via
SEamonkey, though both response when I use Firefox, Internet Explorer,
and Chrome.  One is this:

https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US

https://www6.memberdirect.net/brand/at_722/OnlineBanking/Accounts/?welcome=1


Both sites work great for me.
SeaMonkey 1.1.17
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) 
Gecko/20090605 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 Firefox/2.0.0.24

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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

[David E. Ross]

On 4/30/10 10:34 AM, Dick Hoffman wrote:
> Mark Hansen wrote:
>> On 4/29/2010 3:18 PM, Dick Hoffman wrote:
>>> Maybe I spoke too soon. I installed the User Agent Switcher, switched to
>>> IE7 and tried to load the video. I got a different appearing page but
>>> the video still did not play. Also tried IE8 setting with same result.
>>> Deinstalled the Switcher.
>>> Dick
>>>
>>
>> Actually, you're running a Gecko-based browser, so you want to
>> spoof Firefox. If the site is sending IE-specific code when it
>> thinks you're running IE (because you spoofed it that way), then
>> you'll get code your browser can't run.
>>
>> Just so you understand, the spoofer doesn't make your browser
>> *act* like the browser you're spoofing. It just makes your
>> browser *say* it's the browser you're spoofing.
>>
>> You'll want User Agent Switcher. If I were you, I would install
>> it and learn to use it.
>>
>> By the way, it doesn't come with any Firefox user agent settings.
>> You'll need to get your own and add them to it. You can search
>> (using Google or similar) for "User Agent Strings" to find lots
>> of them available.
>>
> OK, I tried User Agent Switcher but there's no Firefox setting in it as 
> installed and I don't understand how to update it to add just Firefox. I 
> then tried Prefbar and got essentially the same result; no Firefox 
> setting and no clear way to update it. There's probably some forum to go 
> to for help with extensions, right?
> Dick

For PrefBar:

1.  Right-click anywhere on the PrefBar toolbar and select Customize
PrefBar from the pull-down menu.

2.  On the Preferences Toolbar pane of the resulting Preferences window,
locate User Agent under either Available Items or Enabled Items.

3.  If User Agent is under Available Items, select it and drag it to
Enabled Items.  Then drag it up or down to where you want it in the
toolbar.

4.  Right-click on User Agent and select Edit from the pull-down menu.

5.  On the Edit Item window, select the + button in the lower-left corner.

6.  In the resulting blank entry in the Edit Item window, type
Firefox 3.6 WinXP
under Label.

7.  In the same entry in the Edit Item window, type
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3)
Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3
all in a single line under Value.  There is one space between
rv:1.9.2.3) and Gecko/20100401.

8.  Select the OK buttons on the Edit Item and Preferences windows.

To use:

*   If the User Agent item on the PrefBar toolbar is visible within your
browser window, select its down-triangle and then select the user agent
you wish to spoof.

*   If the toolbar is full and the User Agent item is off to the right,
select the double >> at the far right on the toolbar.  Select User Agent
from the pull-down menu and then select your desired user agent from the
pull-down submenu.

-- 
David E. Ross


Go to Mozdev at  for quick access to
extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 4/30/10 1:16 PM, Russ Hunt wrote:
> Thanks, Rubens.
> 
>> I get a message saying: "This operation is not currently available.
>> Please contact your System Administrator and try again later. We are
>> sorry for this interruption in your service." I don't get that message
>> with any other browser. 
> 
>> I got the same... with SM 2.04 and WinXP2. 
>>
>> I got the same... with old SM 1.1.4 and Win2000SP4.
> 
> Yep.  What I'm using is SM 2.04, and WinXP2.
> 
> About the second page:
> 
>> With this page however I got the normal log in page, as you got with 
> 
>> I got the normal log in page... with old SM 1.1.4 and Win2000SP4. 
> 
> Hm.  Tried it three different times, this morning, and got just a 
> blank screen: when I tried it again just now, though, it came up 
> fine.
> 
>> Perhaps the first site is working on a site update?   
> 
> Seems more likely the second one was. The first is the phone 
> company's Web mail page, and the error message is consistent.  
> 
> https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US
> 
> They apparently recently configured their server, and it's since then 
> that SM doesn't work. I'd contact them about the problem, but you 
> know exactly what they'll say: "Why don't you use Internet Explorer, 
> like everybody else?" 
> 
> My guess is that there's an issue with SM 2.04 (and older versions 
> too, apparently).
> 

If anyone says to you ""Why don't you use Internet Explorer,
> like everybody else?", tell them that about half of those who view the
Web now use browsers that are NOT Internet Explorer.  In a recent log of
visits to 19 different pages on my Web site, 51.8% of the visits were by
browsers that were NOT IE.  Another site reports that 65.1% were not IE.
 See my .

The webmail.bellaliant.net server is sniffing for "Firefox".  This is
invalid.  If sniffing can be justified at all, the site should be
sniffing for "Gecko".  For an explanation of "sniffing", see my
.  Also see the
very recent thread in this newsgroup with the subject "Adobe Flash
plugin problem?", which discusses spoofing (a method for defeating
sniffing).

I get the login page for the www6.memberdirect.net site without any
problem.  Since I don't have an account there, I can't tell if there is
sniffing beyond the login page.

Finally, your signature should have the "-- " (dash-dash-space) on a
separate line without any text.

-- 
David E. Ross


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extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other
Mozilla-related applications.  You can access Mozdev much
more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons.
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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 4/30/10 4:55 PM, Paul wrote:
> Russ Hunt wrote:
>> I've recent discovered two commercial sites that I cannot access via
>> SEamonkey, though both response when I use Firefox, Internet Explorer,
>> and Chrome.  One is this:
>>
>> https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US
>>
>> https://www6.memberdirect.net/brand/at_722/OnlineBanking/Accounts/?welcome=1
> 
> Both sites work great for me.
> SeaMonkey 1.1.17
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) 
> Gecko/20090605 NOT Firefox/3.5 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 Firefox/2.0.0.24

The webmail.bellaliant.net site works for you because you are spoofing
Firefox.  The www6.memberdirect.net works quite well without any spoofing.

-- 
David E. Ross


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newsgroup migration

[Smiles]

OK I did it again it took me 3 days to move my 10 accounts on my primary 
profile from 1.0 1.18 to 2.0.4 this profile is for email only
and I had to manually migrated all still having to setup all message 
filters and such


this profile is for my newsgroup accounts is there a way to migrate all 
my news accounts with their groups?


I still have 4 other profiles to migrate

thanks
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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Russ Hunt]

David E. Ross --

Thank you. This is pretty clearly the problem:

> The webmail.bellaliant.net server is sniffing for "Firefox".  This is
> invalid.  If sniffing can be justified at all, the site should be
> sniffing for "Gecko".  For an explanation of "sniffing", see my
> . 

I will tell BellAliant that. I'd hope they'd be interested. But of 
course the userbase of Seamonkey users is probably pretty small, from 
their point of view. 

> If anyone says to you ""Why don't you use Internet Explorer, > like
> everybody else?", tell them that about half of those who view the Web
> now use browsers that are NOT Internet Explorer. 

Yep. So what I expect they'll say is, "Why don't you use Firefox, 
like most of the people who don't use IE?"  But I'll try.

This, though, I don't understand:
 
> Finally, your signature should have the "-- " (dash-dash-space) on a
> separate line without any text. 

I've done my signature like this since about 1988, and I've never had 
anybody suggest that (or never noticed anyone except yours with the "-
- " on a separate line. Why?

-- Russ

Russ Hunt
Department of English
St. Thomas University
http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/

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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Russ Hunt wrote:

> I've done my signature like this since about 1988, and I've never had
> anybody suggest that (or never noticed anyone except yours with the
> "- - " on a separate line. Why?

It should be "-- "  (without the quotes of course). See mine below and
note the presence of the space. Why?  It's the accepted standard.  :-)

> -- Russ
> 
> Russ Hunt
> Department of English
> St. Thomas University
> http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/

With a proper sig delimiter, conforming news agents will snip the
signature block automatically. 

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Re: Bottom line missing??

[Phillip Jones]

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

HilsB wrote:

SM2.0.4  on iMac. Mail and News reader has lost the bottom line
of little icons.
Cannot find anything in 'Preferences'
Help appreciated.


On the Win version, on the "View" menu, it's "Show/Hide..." and then
check "Status Bar".  -JW

Same on Mac version as well.

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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Phillip Jones]

Russ Hunt wrote:

I've recent discovered two commercial sites that I cannot access via
SEamonkey, though both response when I use Firefox, Internet Explorer,
and Chrome.  One is this:

https://webmail.bellaliant.net/do/login?v=aliant&l=en-US

I get a message saying: "This operation is not currently available.
Please contact your System Administrator and try again later.
We are sorry for this interruption in your service." I don't get that
message with any other browser.

With this site:

https://www6.memberdirect.net/brand/at_722/OnlineBanking/Accounts/?welcome=1

I simply get a blank screen; with the other three browsers I get a
login page.

I'd rather stay with SeaMonkey, but something troubling is going on
here.

-- Russ



First link is as you stated. Second link show the login page after a few 
seconds of  loading.


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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[David E. Ross]

On 4/30/10 6:42 PM, Russ Hunt wrote:
> David E. Ross --
> 
> Thank you. This is pretty clearly the problem:
> 
>> The webmail.bellaliant.net server is sniffing for "Firefox".  This is
>> invalid.  If sniffing can be justified at all, the site should be
>> sniffing for "Gecko".  For an explanation of "sniffing", see my
>> . 
> 
> I will tell BellAliant that. I'd hope they'd be interested. But of 
> course the userbase of Seamonkey users is probably pretty small, from 
> their point of view. 

It's not merely SeaMonkey that is affected.  There are other browsers
based on Gecko.  They are all affected.  See
.


>> If anyone says to you ""Why don't you use Internet Explorer, > like
>> everybody else?", tell them that about half of those who view the Web
>> now use browsers that are NOT Internet Explorer. 
> 
> Yep. So what I expect they'll say is, "Why don't you use Firefox, 
> like most of the people who don't use IE?"  But I'll try.
> 
> This, though, I don't understand:
>  
>> Finally, your signature should have the "-- " (dash-dash-space) on a
>> separate line without any text. 
> 
> I've done my signature like this since about 1988, and I've never had 
> anybody suggest that (or never noticed anyone except yours with the "-
> - " on a separate line. Why?
> 
> -- Russ
> 
> Russ Hunt
> Department of English
> St. Thomas University
> http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/
> 

RFC 3676 (Section 4.3) describes the use of dash-dash-space on a line by
itself as an NNTP convention.  Most mail/news clients strip away the
signature when quoting for a reply to a newsgroup message, providing the
user follows the convention.  Many also strip away the signature when
quoting for a reply to an E-mail message, which annoys many individuals.

As you see above, your signature gets quoted when I reply.  That's
because you do not follow the convention.

-- 
David E. Ross


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Re: Sites inaccessible via seamonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Russ Hunt wrote:


David E. Ross --


Finally, your signature should have the "-- " (dash-dash-space) on a
separate line without any text. 


I've done my signature like this since about 1988, and I've never had 
anybody suggest that (or never noticed anyone except yours with the "-

- " on a separate line. Why?

-- Russ

Russ Hunt
Department of English
St. Thomas University
http://www.stu.ca/~hunt/


Because you haven't been paying attention? It's the standard delimiter; 
I can't imagine how you can trick SeaMonkey into doing it your way 
unless you're manually adding your first name to every message.


As you can see, your inclusion of text on the same line after the space 
prevents my SeaMonkey from recognizing your sig as such, so it doesn't 
automatically snip it when I reply.


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