Re: Don't start a new post with every post

[»Q«]

In ,
"Paul B. Gallagher"  wrote:

> »Q« wrote:
> 
> > In
> > ,
> > Ray Chandler  wrote:
> >   
> >> At the top of every digest it says:
> >>
> >> "When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
> >> specific than "Re: Contents of support-seamonkey digest..." "
> >>
> >> So if changing the subject line makes it a new post, but new posts
> >> are a bad thing when replying to a thread, what should I do?  
> > 
> > You're doing it exactly the way you're supposed to.  There are
> > people who dislike the way replies to digests work, but that
> > doesn't mean you should have to stop replying to them the way you
> > have been.  
> 
> Ray's question, and the problem for others, is how he can receive
> posts in digest form and reply while maintaining proper threading.
> AFAIK, he can't (it's either digest or proper threading), but perhaps
> some of the experts will offer a solution.

You're right, he can't.  The problem is that every time someone does
this, his support questions are ignored and instead there's a long
discussion of threading.

The mailing list, including its digest form, is supposed to be a way
for people to get help from peers here.  IME here, though, no one
manages to get any help until he's been persuaded to stop using the
list first and switch to NNTP.

Ray, I can't help with your actual question about SeaMonkey, but you
might want to repost it now that the diversion is over.

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SM 2.x Newsgroups Behaviour

[xxyyz]

WinXP Home, SP3, all updates; SM 1.1.19, no add-ons apart from standard 
plugins (Default, QT, Acrobat, Flash, WMP, DRM).  Have installed SM 2.x 
twice (2.0.0 and 2.0.4), but have uninstalled because of NG behaviour 
(Browser and Mail are fine).  As far as possible, ALL settings in SM 2.x 
are the same as in SM 1.x.
1.  Very slow - seems to be related to anti-virus?  When MS Security 
Essentials is installed, Task Manager shows SM and MSSE alternately 
ramping up to 100% CPU (while the other ramps down) even when all SM is 
doing is re-checking for new messages and even when there ARE no new 
messages.  For the news.mozilla.org server (others are similar), this 
process takes (typically) 90 seconds (sometimes several minutes) to 
check 14 groups.  With MSSE uninstalled (replaced by Avira), the process 
takes around 45 seconds.  With SM 1.x, the process takes from 0.1 to 5 
seconds, with no observable AV interaction.
2.  Two servers I subscribe to (Albasani and Datemas) require sign-in; 
in SM 2.x, two sign-ins are required (only one in SM 1.x).

3.  The messages in the Status Bar (bottom right) do not compute:
3.1 "There are no new messages on the server" shows up before the server 
has been contacted, and goes away while the server is being checked - 
whether there are new messages or not.
3.2 SM 1.x shows, for example, "Checking newsgroup N of 14 on 
news.mozilla.org for new messages" (where N runs from 1 to 14); SM 2.x 
does not show this.
4.  The Progress Bar (bottom right) does not compute; it takes up to 30 
seconds for the space for the bar to show up, then after another 15 
seconds or so, the moving-to-and-fro partial bar appears.  The full bar, 
growing from left to right, never shows up at all.
5.  About 40% of the time, all the lists of newsgroups under each server 
are expanded when I first click on the Mail & Newsgroups icon; I always 
close them before I exit SM.


Is there anything I can do to change any of this?  Is any of the above a 
known problem that may get fixed in future SM updates?

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Re: Don't start a new post with every post

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Ray_Net wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> SMTP is not used for news.
>>
>> My newsreaders (which are not email clients) have no SMTP settings.
> 
> That's correct. Because my ISP refuse to send a mail if the "from" is
> not correct.

Not correct in what manner?  Do you mean you need to send with a From of
your correct ISP mail ID?  For news?  Look at my address in this post.

Naught to do with SMTP though.

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Re: Don't start a new post with every post

[Ray_Net]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:


SMTP is not used for news.

My newsreaders (which are not email clients) have no SMTP settings.



That's correct. Because my ISP refuse to send a mail if the "from" is 
not correct.


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Re: Don't start a new post with every post

[Beverly Howard]

>> digest responses <<

What newsgroup is generating the digests?

The reason I ask is that some groups include message response links 
within the digest messages... using those will route the message to the 
proper thread.


otoh, it's easy to setup seamonkey to handle individual forum email 
responses using filters to move incoming forum messages to a folder used 
only for that forum so they don't clutter your regular email...


...then, just go to that folder when you are ready to deal with forum 
responses... you can set the display to threaded which will be specific 
to that folder, then use view/threads/threadswithunread to make 
responses simple and fast.


Beverly Howard

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Re: SM 2.1pre nightlies: anyone with problems to open/save attachments ?

[Hartmut Figge]

dominique:

>Seems a duplicate / simlar to bug 572086 
>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572086

Mhm, that one is for TB and IMAP is not mentioned.

>The problem sems related to IMAP, no POP... works fine in local folders.

Could be IMAP, yes. I cannot test that.

Hartmut
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Re: SM 2.1pre nightlies: anyone with problems to open/save attachments ?

[dominique]

Hartmut Figge wrote, On 6/15/2010 2:30 PM:

dominique:


I use the SM2.1 nightlies


I also, but Linux.


(http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/)
I see since a day or two a problem to open or save mail attachment.

I opened the bug here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572065


I cannot confirm that. No problem with old mails and also no problem
with a new testmail with attachment. But i use POP3 and not IMAP.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en; rv:1.9.3a6pre) Gecko/20100615
Mnenhy/0.8.3pre4 SeaMonkey/2.1a2pre

Hartmut
Seems a duplicate / simlar to bug 572086 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572086

The problem sems related to IMAP, no POP... works fine in local folders.

Dominique
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Re: Don't start a new post with every post

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Phillip Jones wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> Depending on your news server, you may also have to tell it
>>> your SMTP (outgoing) settings.  Mine is
>>
>> That is for email, and doesn't apply.
>>
> According to SeaMonkey on description  the setup panel in Preferences:
> http://screencast.com/t/ZDc1YjEyM

Yep. Looks like the same for years and years.

> you have POP3 for incoming Mail,
> you have NNTP for incoming News   <-- (and outgoing News)

True.

> and you have SMTP that handles any traffic going out.

Untrue. Only email.

> there is no mention of anything for other than sending messages (makes 
> no distinction of whether for  news or email)
> 
> however I've found these definitions:
> 
> NNTP see: 
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=mozilla&defl=en&q=define:NNTP&sa=X&ei=UnsXTOK6LcK78ga7jIGZCQ&ved=0CBEQkAE
> 
> SMTP see: 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3ASMTP&btnG=Search&hl=en&client=mozilla&sa=2

The very first definition there says:  "Simple Mail Transfer Protocol
(SMTP) is an Internet standard for electronic mail *(e-mail)*
transmission across Internet Protocol (IP) networks. .."

> POP3 see: 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3APOP3&btnG=Search&hl=en&client=mozilla&sa=2

SMTP is not used for news.

My newsreaders (which are not email clients) have no SMTP settings.

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Re: Don't start a new post with every post

[Phillip Jones]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Paul wrote:


Depending on your news server, you may also have to tell it
your SMTP (outgoing) settings.  Mine is


That is for email, and doesn't apply.


According to SeaMonkey on description  the setup panel in Preferences:

http://screencast.com/t/ZDc1YjEyM

you have POP3 for incoming Mail,
you have NNTP for incoming News
and you have SMTP that handles any traffic going out.

there is no mention of anything for other than sending messages (makes 
no distinction of whether for  news or email)


however I've found these definitions:


NNTP see: 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=mozilla&defl=en&q=define:NNTP&sa=X&ei=UnsXTOK6LcK78ga7jIGZCQ&ved=0CBEQkAE


SMTP see: 
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3ASMTP&btnG=Search&hl=en&client=mozilla&sa=2


POP3 see: 
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3APOP3&btnG=Search&hl=en&client=mozilla&sa=2


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Re: SM 2.1pre nightlies: anyone with problems to open/save attachments ?

[Hartmut Figge]

dominique:

>I use the SM2.1 nightlies

I also, but Linux.

>(http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/)
>I see since a day or two a problem to open or save mail attachment.
>
>I opened the bug here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572065

I cannot confirm that. No problem with old mails and also no problem
with a new testmail with attachment. But i use POP3 and not IMAP.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en; rv:1.9.3a6pre) Gecko/20100615
Mnenhy/0.8.3pre4 SeaMonkey/2.1a2pre

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SM 2.1pre nightlies: anyone with problems to open/save attachments ?

[dominique]

Hello all,

I use the SM2.1 nightlies 
(http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-central-trunk/)

I see since a day or two a problem to open or save mail attachment.

I opened the bug here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572065
If anyone else see the same behavior, please update the bug or report 
here. (It seems to me like a regression...).


Thanks for your help.

Dominique
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Re: Don't start a new post with every post

[Ray]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Ray's question, and the problem for others, is how he can receive posts
in digest form and reply while maintaining proper threading. AFAIK, he
can't (it's either digest or proper threading), but perhaps some of the
experts will offer a solution.

I'd like to know what he did with the posts in this thread -- they seem
to be successfully threaded with the rest, unlike his previous ones
about "webmail attachments."



I'm not aware of doing anything different, so I can't explain why some 
of my posts behaved differently.


However, I have now followed the other recommendation to access this 
group via newsgroup reader rather than email digest. I didn't realise 
this choice existed until it was explained here, so thanks.

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