TB vs SM for a non technical user

[Rex]

Ever since I started using Seamonkey 2.x, I've been torn between using 
it and Firefox + Thunderbird, so I use all 3.
I've used Firefox since 0.6, and have numerous extensions I can't live 
without. Thunderbird 3.1 is really great, with threaded conversation 
view and so on.
SM beats both of them by being tightly integrated and taking up less 
memory.
I want to set up an email client for my father who is not quite a tech 
savvy user.
He primarily uses GMail for mail, and as of now just accesses the site 
directly via a mostly barebones Firefox installation.


From what I've seen on this group, most Seamonkey users are power 
users, or Netscape Communicator fans who miss having an all in one 
client. Seamonkey itself has quite a few complicated features over 
Firefox and the preferences UI can be daunting for an average user.


Would it make sense to switch him over to Seamonkey and setup his Gmail 
account via IMAP, as opposed to installing Thunderbird?


Has anyone else setup Seamonkey for friends and family who are not 
exactly tech savvy?

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Re: Killfiles

[Stéphane Grégoire]

Hi,

FMurtz a tapoté, le 14/09/2010 07:08:
> windows search 
> does not find it.

search  into c:/Documents and settings  ; may you have not unchecked
something like "don't show hidden files" into explorer preferences.



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Re: Posts to mozilla.support.seamonkey not showing up

[Ant]

On 9/13/2010 2:58 PM PT, NoOp typed:


Were you posting from GigaNews.com or news.mozilla.org? I noticed
Giganews showed missing posts from me lately like yesterday morning. :(


news.mozilla.org uses giganews. I posted a reply to doc "veetle with
Seamonkey?" and it still hasn't shown up. I sent him my reply directly
(see below). But several others have gone missing as well.


Interesting. I didn't know that. I had missing posts on Giganews on 
various newsgroups. I don't use Mozilla newsgroups on there, but 
news.mozilla.org's which is fine.

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Re: uncheck

[Don B]

Because I said to do it.
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Re: Seamonkey 1.19

[Daniel]

JeffM wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

I for myself am a big fan of openSUSE, which is very friendly to
us


You have to admire their taste in online software  8-)


(though not as default browser...)


Well, take the blessings as they come.


[...]not so sure[...]how well it works for usually older hardware
that people typically have when they are on Win98


Bingo!  A distro built around KDE or GNOME is likely a non-starter
for gear of that vintage.



Wrong!! My desktop is a dual boot Win98 (upgraded to SE, I think) and
Mandriva Linux 2007.1. Part of the Mandrive install is KDE desktop. 
Version 3.x, but still KDE.


In part, the reason I got this laptop I'm sitting at now is the
SeaMonkey Councils/whomever decision to not release a Win98 compatible
version of SM 2.x

Don't blame them too much, too few hands doing what they do do, but 
still


Daniel
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Re: TB vs SM for a non technical user

[Bill Spikowski]

Rex wrote:
Ever since I started using Seamonkey 2.x, I've been torn between using 
it and Firefox + Thunderbird, so I use all 3.
I've used Firefox since 0.6, and have numerous extensions I can't live 
without. Thunderbird 3.1 is really great, with threaded conversation 
view and so on.
SM beats both of them by being tightly integrated and taking up less 
memory.
I want to set up an email client for my father who is not quite a tech 
savvy user.
He primarily uses GMail for mail, and as of now just accesses the site 
directly via a mostly barebones Firefox installation.


 From what I've seen on this group, most Seamonkey users are power 
users, or Netscape Communicator fans who miss having an all in one 
client. Seamonkey itself has quite a few complicated features over 
Firefox and the preferences UI can be daunting for an average user.


Would it make sense to switch him over to Seamonkey and setup his Gmail 
account via IMAP, as opposed to installing Thunderbird?


Has anyone else setup Seamonkey for friends and family who are not 
exactly tech savvy?



I've done that -- it works fine, presuming your friends/family like the way 
you've set it up!
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Re: Titles with accents [éàôïèù] desappearing in french newsgroups

[Anne]

L'autre, là, Daniel, avait escrivu :

Anne wrote:

Le 13/09/10 08:30, :



The Content-Type applied to the body not the title.
I think that, in usenet, accentuated characters are not allowed in title
- only in body.



Look at your title.


Anne, I was going to post "This is not UseNet, this is a private news
server", but I just checked your header and it mentions Google and I'm


Google in my headers 


not sure where it fits into the scheme of things.



(Tending towards a "private server"!!)

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Re: Killfiles

[Ed Mullen]

FMurtz wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

FMurtz wrote:

How would I import newsgroup killfiles from one computer to a new one in
seamonkey? I would like to be able to have the filter for aus.legal in
place before downloading discussions (probably difficult or impossible)


If you're speaking about Message Filters, look for msgFilterRules.dat in
your profile. Copy to new profile in similar location.


Thank, this sounds like what I need except that I can not find
msgFilterRules.dat any where, any pointers where to look? windows search
does not find it.


http://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_profile.php

See the Note at the bottom of the page regarding hidden files and 
folders in XP.


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Re: SM 2.07 Compose mail problem.

[chicagofan]

chicagofan wrote:

Daniel wrote:

I normally have my addressbook indexed on the "Name" column. The only
other column I normally have displayed is the e-mail address.

So I clicked the little squiggle line in the top right, ticked "Screen
Name", sorted on "Screen Name", then un-ticked "Screen Name" (so I was
back to my normal two column display) and the list stayed as it was when
I had sorted by "Screen Name" selected.

Had to click on the "Name" column header to get things sorted by that
column again.

Is it possible you've done something similar??

Daniel
 

What I have is a block symbol that I assume is the same thing as your
squiggle, and I tried that back and forth until they were back in
order... except for the 2 lists... that I use the most [an A-list and
B-list], which are reversed.  The A-list is a group of friends that I
write often daily and I named it that, so that it would be first and
highlighted, when I open the address book.   However, now the B-list of
business contacts is listed first... and I can't find a way to change
it.  Far as I know, A should still come before B.   ;)

Thanks Daniel for checking, we had the same address book setup... Name
and e-mail, so if yours is working, I won't give up hope I can get mine
to change back somehow.  It may be something in my Walnut theme.
bj
   


I checked with the 2 SM themes and they are showing the same thing the 
Walnut theme shows, so it's not my Walnut theme.  This just makes no 
sense to me, and I've never had a problem until this last update.


Guess I'll go look for a 2.07 bug filed on it, since I don't think 
there's anything I can do to correct this.


Thanks again for the responses.
bj




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Re: Killfiles

[MikeB]

FMurtz wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

FMurtz wrote:

How would I import newsgroup killfiles from one computer to a new one in
seamonkey? I would like to be able to have the filter for aus.legal in
place before downloading discussions (probably difficult or impossible)


If you're speaking about Message Filters, look for msgFilterRules.dat in
your profile. Copy to new profile in similar location.


Thank, this sounds like what I need except that I can not find
msgFilterRules.dat any where, any pointers where to look? windows search
does not find it.

A good way to find this is to type

  %appdata%

in the address bar of Windows Explorer (NOT Internet Explorer). After 
that you will see the folders for stuff like SeaMonkey, Firefox and all 
those other installed programs.

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SeaMonkey as a newsreader - download message bodies

[MikeB]

I'm sure this should be possible, but I can't seem to find a way to tell 
SM to do this.


I want it to download all the message bodies for the newsgroups I am 
subscribed to so that I can peruse it at my leisure. Also, there is one 
news server that is persnickety and times out often and I'm hoping this 
way I can get more of its messags when it does allow a connection.


Thanks
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Seamonkey migration question

[Bill Spikowski]

I created a new profile for Seamonkey 2 and am trying to manually transfer 
important data from Seamonkey 1.19. I've figured out how to move the address 
book and bookmarks but can't figure out where to put msgfilterrules.dat and 
training.dat, also the *.s and *.w files that I usually move -- are there 
instructions posted anywhere?
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Re: Address book combine?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Beverly Howard wrote:


 >> hack <<

Curious... what's the hack?

 >> combine two or more address books, eliminate duplicates, and note
possible conflicts? <<

I'm looking forward to seeing if there is a good mozilla solution for
this as doing what you need has never been easy.

That said, I converted my and my wife's contacts lists (each with about
1,000 entries) to google contacts since they offer free exchange sync
and, as part of the conversion I was very impressed with google contacts
duplicate entry processing.

I make that statement from the perspective of a database programmer who
worked with the frequent need to dedupe huge address lists.

If I were faced with this need today, I would export both lists to csv
format, import them into http://google.com/contacts then run the google
contacts dedupe process and export them when finished.


Sounds easy. If I didn't know about that, here's what I'd've done:

Create an Access table, specifying that the email address field must be 
unique ("no duplicates"). Take and paste/append each of my lists into 
that table. When it detects a dupe, Access will refuse to append a 
record, and it will put the failed records in a table called "Paste 
Errors" where the user can review them.


When done, export as CSV and import back into your mail program (as a 
new address book for safety). When you're satisfied that all is well, 
empty out the old address book and drag/drop the contents of the new one 
to your personal address book.


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Re: Seamonkey 1.19

[JeffM]

>JeffM wrote:
>>A distro built around KDE or GNOME
>>is likely a non-starter for gear of that vintage.
>>
Daniel wrote:
>Wrong!! My desktop is a dual boot Win98 (upgraded to SE, I think)
>and Mandriva Linux 2007.1.
>Part of the Mandrive install is KDE desktop.
>Version 3.x, but still KDE.
>
Now for the $64,000 question:
How much RAM is in that box?
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Re: Killfiles

[Ray_Net]

MikeB wrote:

FMurtz wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

FMurtz wrote:

How would I import newsgroup killfiles from one computer to a new
one in
seamonkey? I would like to be able to have the filter for aus.legal in
place before downloading discussions (probably difficult or impossible)


If you're speaking about Message Filters, look for msgFilterRules.dat in
your profile. Copy to new profile in similar location.


Thank, this sounds like what I need except that I can not find
msgFilterRules.dat any where, any pointers where to look? windows search
does not find it.

A good way to find this is to type

%appdata%

in the address bar of Windows Explorer (NOT Internet Explorer). After
that you will see the folders for stuff like SeaMonkey, Firefox and all
those other installed programs.


To find SeaMonkey i used -> %appdata%/mozilla
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Lightning Calendar?

[d...@kd4e.com]

Is the Lightning Calendar Add-on supported, or planned
for support, in Seamonkey?

This shows up in SM Add-ons but appears to just check
for updates and only refers to Thunderbird and not SM:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/4623/

It would be great to be able to sychronize calendars
between my two computers.

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Re: Address book combine?

[Arnie Goetchius]

d...@kd4e.com wrote:

I remember doing this in dBase+ back in the 80's, as I recall it
required a macro.

Could this be done in something like OpenOffice with a macro?



If I were faced with this need today, I would export both lists to
csv format, import them into http://google.com/contacts then run the
google contacts dedupe process and export them when finished.

Beverly Howard



It still works in the current incarnation of dbase+ that I use which is 
FoxPro.


1. create a database called ADDRESS with fields of "NAME", "EMAIL" and 
"COUNT"
2. Import from various address book .csv files the variables "NAME" and 
"EMAIL" into database ADDRESS

3. use ADDRESS
4. Replace all count with 1
5. Index on email to email
6. set orde to email
7. Total on email to NODUPE
8. Use NODUPE
9. list name,email,count

A single instance of each email will be shown in the file NODUPE. The 
number of occurrences for each email will be shown in the variable COUNT 
which will usually be 1


10. copy to NODUPECSV type delimited with ,

11. import NODUPECSV into your mailer's address book.

I tried to find a way to do this in OpenOffice 3.2 but did not see an 
easy way to do it.


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Please help with a fast Test of SeaMonkey 2.0.8 candidates!

[Robert Kaiser]

You might have heard about the startup crasher that happened for a small 
number of our users in SeaMonkey 2.0.7 and left them in a pretty bad state.
We are committed to avoid things like that where we can, so we stopped 
issuing updates to that version, investigated the problem, found fixes 
and created a new version including those (and no other changes compared 
to 2.0.7).


Windows installers, Mac disk images and Linux packages of that new 
version are now available in the linux-i686, mac, and win32 
subdirectories of 
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.0.8-candidates/build1/


Please help us testing those, we want to know if they work as soon as 
possible so we can ship this update to our users possibly as early as 
tomorrow, hopefully still this week, in any case.


Thanks a lot,

Robert Kaiser
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Re: Killfiles

[FMurtz]

Ray_Net wrote:

MikeB wrote:

FMurtz wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

FMurtz wrote:

How would I import newsgroup killfiles from one computer to a new
one in
seamonkey? I would like to be able to have the filter for aus.legal in
place before downloading discussions (probably difficult or
impossible)


If you're speaking about Message Filters, look for
msgFilterRules.dat in
your profile. Copy to new profile in similar location.


Thank, this sounds like what I need except that I can not find
msgFilterRules.dat any where, any pointers where to look? windows search
does not find it.

A good way to find this is to type

%appdata%

in the address bar of Windows Explorer (NOT Internet Explorer). After
that you will see the folders for stuff like SeaMonkey, Firefox and all
those other installed programs.


To find SeaMonkey i used -> %appdata%/mozilla
After a lot of searching I found aus.legal.dat which I transposed, It 
seems to have worked, I will know in a few days.

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Re: TB vs SM for a non technical user

[Leonidas Jones]

Rex  wrote:
> Ever since I started using Seamonkey 2.x, I've been torn between using
> it and Firefox + Thunderbird, so I use all 3.
> I've used Firefox since 0.6, and have numerous extensions I can't live
> without. Thunderbird 3.1 is really great, with threaded conversation
> view and so on.
> SM beats both of them by being tightly integrated and taking up less
> memory.
> I want to set up an email client for my father who is not quite a tech
> savvy user.
> He primarily uses GMail for mail, and as of now just accesses the site
> directly via a mostly barebones Firefox installation.
> 
> From what I've seen on this group, most Seamonkey users are power
> users, or Netscape Communicator fans who miss having an all in one
> client. Seamonkey itself has quite a few complicated features over
> Firefox and the preferences UI can be daunting for an average user.
> 
> Would it make sense to switch him over to Seamonkey and setup his
> Gmail account via IMAP, as opposed to installing Thunderbird?
> 
> Has anyone else setup Seamonkey for friends and family who are not
> exactly tech savvy?

I set up my very non tech mother in law with Seamonkey.  She used it on
Win98SE with 1.1.19, then I set her up with an iMac with 2.0.x.  She
uses it as I have set it up for her, with no problems at all.

Lee
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Re: Address book combine?

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:56:59 -0400, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

> It still works in the current incarnation of dbase+ that I use which is 
> FoxPro.

The current incarnation of dbase+ is dbase:


There are several other products that implement the xBase language
including Foxpro.


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