New Question About 2.1 Bookmarks

[David E. Ross]

In Netscape's Navigator 4.x, there was a capability to set bookmark
shortcuts.  I could set a bookmark in one place within my bookmarks file
and then set a pointer to that bookmark in another place within the same
file.  That pointer was a shortcut and was used as if it were a regular
bookmark.  If I changed the actual bookmark (e.g., if the URI changed),
that change would be reflected in all the shortcuts.  That way, I could
file copies of a bookmark in several different folders in the file but
would have to maintain only one instance of the bookmark.

I think this capability disappeared in Mozilla Suite.  Will it be
restored in SaeMonkey 2.1?

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Philip Chee]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 03:44:08 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Ray_Net schrieb:
>> Could you tell me what a groupmark is ?
> 
> A bookmark that consists of a group/set of tabs/pages and which would be 
> opened again as a set of tabs. Not sure how intensely it has been used 
> in the older bookmarks system, but it was there (and in its 
> implementation always a bit hackish).

As far as I can tell, the physical implementation in bookmarks.html was
a normal bookmarks folder with a groupmark flag. :P

Phil

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Philip Chee]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 22:54:47 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

> One thing I've always wished for with groupmarks is behavior similar to 
> that of ordinary bookmarks when a blank window is open. With an ordinary 
> bookmark, opening it from a blank navigator window puts the contents in 
> that blank window. But with a groupmark, opening it from a blank 
> navigator window leaves one blank tab where the open window sat, and 
> opens the various bookmarks in new tabs. So a groupmark with five links 
> yields six tabs, one of them blank.

Yeah, opening a bookmark folder in a new window on trunk doesn't leave a
blank tab now.

Phil

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Philip Chee]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:14:00 -0500, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Mark Hansen wrote:
> 
>> The way bookmarks are stored changed between pre-2.1 and 2.1.
>> In 2.1, bookmarks are stored in a database rather than in an html file.
>> The property mentioned above causes SM 2.1 to export the bookmarks (now
>> in a database) to an external html file upon exiting SM.
>>
>> You still "bookmark this page" just as you always have.
> 
> Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the 
> DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up?

sqlite is ACID a relational database so commits are atomic. In addition
the latest nightly builds come with a version of sqlite that has what
they call WAL I think that's their name for redo logs. So even if SM
crashes, when it starts up again the sqlite code will replay all
uncommitted transactions and update the database to a consistent state.
(Disclaimer: I spent ten years managing, coding, and customizing
enterprise class Oracle Financials databases but I don't know how much
of this applies to toy databases like SQLite).

> I know how to go into a broken HTML file and fix it, but what if the 
> database gets corrupted somehow -- will SM automatically save an empty 
> HTML file on exit? I'm sure I couldn't go in and fix the DB with SM 
> still running...
> 
> I'm sure you guys have thought this through, but I haven't.

Oh yes the Mozilla Storage team has thought long and hard on these and
other much more esoteric issues. For example to improve performance,
database writes occur asynchronously on multiple background threads.

Phil

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Robert Kaiser wrote:


Ray_Net schrieb:

Could you tell me what a groupmark is ?


A bookmark that consists of a group/set of tabs/pages and which would be
opened again as a set of tabs. Not sure how intensely it has been used
in the older bookmarks system, but it was there (and in its
implementation always a bit hackish).


One thing I've always wished for with groupmarks is behavior similar to 
that of ordinary bookmarks when a blank window is open. With an ordinary 
bookmark, opening it from a blank navigator window puts the contents in 
that blank window. But with a groupmark, opening it from a blank 
navigator window leaves one blank tab where the open window sat, and 
opens the various bookmarks in new tabs. So a groupmark with five links 
yields six tabs, one of them blank.


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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the
DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up?


No, actually, things should be written out more often and in smaller
chunks and less likely to be destroyed with the database-driven solution
- and we also do automated backups that we automatically import in case
of corruptions, so things should actually be all in all much more stable
and less likely to be lost.


->Whew!<-

Vielen Dank!

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Robert Kaiser]

Paul B. Gallagher schrieb:

Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the
DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up?


No, actually, things should be written out more often and in smaller 
chunks and less likely to be destroyed with the database-driven solution 
- and we also do automated backups that we automatically import in case 
of corruptions, so things should actually be all in all much more stable 
and less likely to be lost.


Robert Kaiser

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Robert Kaiser]

Ray_Net schrieb:

Could you tell me what a groupmark is ?


A bookmark that consists of a group/set of tabs/pages and which would be 
opened again as a set of tabs. Not sure how intensely it has been used 
in the older bookmarks system, but it was there (and in its 
implementation always a bit hackish).


Robert Kaiser


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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Rufus]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in
the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks
will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format
and not top level functionality...


For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in
the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the
possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else
should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the
possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use "livemarks", saved bookmarks
searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the
database model).

Robert Kaiser




Sounds interesting overall - I do use folders extensively for bookmark 
groupings, so we'll see if I have to work up a new strategy or not.


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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Larry]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/10/2011 9:16 AM, Larry wrote:

JP. Baker wrote:

I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option
browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this
should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown.


This is a bit confusing. In 2.0.11 I can choose whether or not to
bookmark a page ("Bookmark This Page"), and when I do so (I thought)
that choice is preserved upon exiting the bookmark file. Does this
option mean that I have to, or don't have to, choose to bookmark a page?
When is my choice preserved, or is it if I don't select this option?




The way bookmarks are stored changed between pre-2.1 and 2.1.
In 2.1, bookmarks are stored in a database rather than in an html file.
The property mentioned above causes SM 2.1 to export the bookmarks (now
in a database) to an external html file upon exiting SM.

You still "bookmark this page" just as you always have.

Got it -- thanks!
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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Mark Hansen wrote:


The way bookmarks are stored changed between pre-2.1 and 2.1.
In 2.1, bookmarks are stored in a database rather than in an html file.
The property mentioned above causes SM 2.1 to export the bookmarks (now
in a database) to an external html file upon exiting SM.

You still "bookmark this page" just as you always have.


Does this mean that in case of a crash or hang, SM fails to export the 
DB and ... what? The info is lost, or just not backed up?


I know how to go into a broken HTML file and fix it, but what if the 
database gets corrupted somehow -- will SM automatically save an empty 
HTML file on exit? I'm sure I couldn't go in and fix the DB with SM 
still running...


I'm sure you guys have thought this through, but I haven't.

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Walter]

Mark Hansen wrote:

On 1/10/2011 4:40 PM, Walter wrote:


Ray_Net wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in
the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks
will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format
and not top level functionality...


For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in
the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the
possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else
should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the
possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use "livemarks", saved bookmarks
searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the
database model).



Hi !
Could you tell me what a groupmark is ?
I see only "bookmark", "folder" and "separator" when managing bookmarks.




I remember word marks and group marks on the old IBM 1401 and 1410. A
gumwum (groupmark+wordmark) would stop any data file record transfer.
Back in the 1960s.
w.


Do you believe that is what is being referred to here?


No, just recalling a memory from second generation computers. My apology 
if it offends anybody.


w.

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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[David E. Ross]

On 1/10/11 2:37 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
> John wrote:
>> When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
>> with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
>> prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
>> Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
>> Thanks!
> 
> I think that if you close all expanded stuffs  just before leaving 
> completely SM before going to shutdown your pc and before going to 
> sleep. The next morning started the pc and started SM ... you will find 
> it in the same situation of yesterday ... all is closed.

This is Bug 507908, which some developers think might be a feature.  I
think it is indeed a bug -- a regression from Tbird 2 -- and should be
fixed.

See .

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Mark Hansen]

On 1/10/2011 4:40 PM, Walter wrote:
> 
> Ray_Net wrote:
>> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>> Rufus schrieb:
 I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in
 the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks
 will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format
 and not top level functionality...
>>>
>>> For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in
>>> the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the
>>> possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else
>>> should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the
>>> possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use "livemarks", saved bookmarks
>>> searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the
>>> database model).
>>>
>>
>> Hi !
>> Could you tell me what a groupmark is ?
>> I see only "bookmark", "folder" and "separator" when managing bookmarks.
>>
> 
> 
> I remember word marks and group marks on the old IBM 1401 and 1410. A 
> gumwum (groupmark+wordmark) would stop any data file record transfer. 
> Back in the 1960s.
> w.

Do you believe that is what is being referred to here?
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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Walter]

Ray_Net wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in
the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks
will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format
and not top level functionality...


For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in
the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the
possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else
should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the
possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use "livemarks", saved bookmarks
searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the
database model).



Hi !
Could you tell me what a groupmark is ?
I see only "bookmark", "folder" and "separator" when managing bookmarks.




I remember word marks and group marks on the old IBM 1401 and 1410. A 
gumwum (groupmark+wordmark) would stop any data file record transfer. 
Back in the 1960s.

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Mark Hansen]

On 1/10/2011 9:16 AM, Larry wrote:
> JP. Baker wrote:
>> I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option
>> browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this
>> should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown.
>>
> This is a bit confusing. In 2.0.11 I can choose whether or not to 
> bookmark a page ("Bookmark This Page"), and when I do so (I thought) 
> that choice is preserved upon exiting the bookmark file. Does this 
> option mean that I have to, or don't have to, choose to bookmark a page? 
> When is my choice preserved, or is it if I don't select this option?
> 
> 

The way bookmarks are stored changed between pre-2.1 and 2.1.
In 2.1, bookmarks are stored in a database rather than in an html file.
The property mentioned above causes SM 2.1 to export the bookmarks (now
in a database) to an external html file upon exiting SM.

You still "bookmark this page" just as you always have.
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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Ray_Net]

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in
the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks
will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format
and not top level functionality...


For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in
the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the
possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else
should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the
possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use "livemarks", saved bookmarks
searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the
database model).



Hi !
Could you tell me what a groupmark is ?
I see only "bookmark", "folder" and "separator" when managing bookmarks.

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Re: Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[Ray_Net]

John wrote:

When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open
with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I
prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19.
Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it?
Thanks!


I think that if you close all expanded stuffs  just before leaving 
completely SM before going to shutdown your pc and before going to 
sleep. The next morning started the pc and started SM ... you will find 
it in the same situation of yesterday ... all is closed.

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Philip Chee]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:13:17 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Rufus schrieb:
>> I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in
>> the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks
>> will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format
>> and not top level functionality...
> 
> For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in 
> the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the 
> possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else 
> should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the 
> possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use "livemarks", saved bookmarks 
> searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the 
> database model).

The "Check this location for updates" and associated settings for each
bookmark went away as well but then I never used it so didn't miss it.

Phil

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Re: Link Text Formatting

[Jens Hatlak]

Chris Bluemel wrote:

I am in the process of creating a webpage using SeaMonkey.  Usually I
can change the text colour very easily, but this does not seem to be
the case with a Link - I seem to have no control of the text colour
for a link.  When I select a new colour, it is not applied, it just
stays as it was.


If you want to change the color of all links on a web page, you can use 
the following:

(Menu) Format > Page Colors and Background > Use custom colors

Otherwise, if you want to do it cleaner or per link, you'll have to use 
CSS. Example for a single link:
(Link context menu) Link Properties > Advanced Edit > Inline Style; 
Property: color; Value: #cc (for example; see some CSS documentation 
for all valid values).


HTH

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Annoying behavior since updating SeaMonkey to 2.0.11 from 1.1.19

[John]

When I open the mail/news reader, about one time in four it will open 
with all newsservers expanded to show all subscribed newsgroups. I 
prefer them not to be expanded, and this never happened with v1.1.19. 
Why is this behavior not consistent each time, and how do I stop it? Thanks!


John
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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Larry]

JP. Baker wrote:

I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option
browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this
should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown.

This is a bit confusing. In 2.0.11 I can choose whether or not to 
bookmark a page ("Bookmark This Page"), and when I do so (I thought) 
that choice is preserved upon exiting the bookmark file. Does this 
option mean that I have to, or don't have to, choose to bookmark a page? 
When is my choice preserved, or is it if I don't select this option?



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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Robert Kaiser]

JP. Baker schrieb:

I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option
browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this
should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown.


It should work.

Robert Kaiser


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Re: Link Text Formatting

[David E. Ross]

On 1/10/11 6:04 AM, Chris Bluemel wrote:
> Hi folks
> 
> I am in the process of creating a webpage using SeaMonkey.  Usually I can 
> change the text colour very easily, but this does not seem to be the case 
> with a Link - I seem to have no control of the text colour for a link.  When 
> I select a new colour, it is not applied, it just stays as it was.
> 
> Anyone know a possible solution?
> 
> Thanks
> Chris Bluemel

If you use style sheets (CSS), you can set colors that are distinct for
visited, unvisited, and about-to-be-visited links.  See
.  However, your
browser preferences must also allow Web pages to override your default
colors.

If you set the color for foreground (e.g., text, links), good design
principles indicate you must also set the color for background.
Furthermore, you must select colors with sufficient contrast to maintain
readability.  For example, do not try black text against a dark blue
background.  Also, remember some individuals are color-blind; do not try
bright red text against a bright green background.  And finally, do
preserve the distinction between plain text and links and between
visited and unvisited links.

See:

, scrolling down to "Colors"

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[JP. Baker]

I haven't had time to check but doesn't the config option
browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML work in 2.1b - if so this
should create an updated bookmarks.html on shutdown.

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Re: Link Text Formatting

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Chris Bluemel wrote:

> I am in the process of creating a webpage using SeaMonkey.  Usually I
> can change the text colour very easily, but this does not seem to be
> the case with a Link - I seem to have no control of the text colour
> for a link.  When I select a new colour, it is not applied, it just
> stays as it was.

There is probably a reason for that. Since the web began, there's been
standard colours for links so visitors are able to tell the difference
between visited and unvisited links. Blue=unvisited, purple=visited. 

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/links.html#colors-useful

I take it you are using the Composer tool. Perhaps the URL of your page
would help in making further suggestions.

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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Robert Kaiser]

Rufus schrieb:

I can only assume that all of the same information that was contained in
the flat file and all of the functionality currently in Manage Bookmarks
will be retained...and this is just a change in file structure/format
and not top level functionality...


For most things, that's right. The only feature I know that we lost in 
the transition are groupmarks, which have been replaced by the 
possibility to open any folder of bookmarks in tabs. Everything else 
should (as far as I know) be preserved, but 2.1 also adds the 
possibility to use tags on bookmarks, use "livemarks", saved bookmarks 
searches, and a few other things (which are easier to do with the 
database model).


Robert Kaiser


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Re: where is bookmarks.html?

[Robert Kaiser]

Rufus schrieb:

...ahh. I've noticed that during startup if I try to make a bookmark
selection before everything is fully started the pane will snap shut on
me and I have to start over...I suppose this is why? I have tons of
bookmarks.


That surely could be connected. Working with a large amount of bookmarks 
should work better in the database-backed system we have in 2.1, and 
your bookmarks should also be safer, as it automatically creates and 
keeps backups of your bookmarks data.



How about Master Password behavior in 2.1.x - fixed?


No idea. I know we should have some improvements in that area, but I 
know the details too little to know if your case is fixed or not.


Robert Kaiser


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Link Text Formatting

[Chris Bluemel]

Hi folks

I am in the process of creating a webpage using SeaMonkey.  Usually I can 
change the text colour very easily, but this does not seem to be the case with 
a Link - I seem to have no control of the text colour for a link.  When I 
select a new colour, it is not applied, it just stays as it was.

Anyone know a possible solution?

Thanks
Chris Bluemel



  
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