date:20110705


MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/07/2011 14:44, J. Weaver Jr. told the world:

Rufus wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

  Rufus schrieb:

  I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A
  Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for


  And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a
  non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end.

  Robert Kaiser



I doubt that...I've got all sorts of faith in your abilities.  If your
resources are limited, that's something else altogether.


...so, volunteer. It sounds like you've got more interest in seeing this
happen than everyone else here put together. So, DO IT. We've got all
sorts of faith in _your_ abilities. ;) -JW


I had a bit of an inspiration regarding this discussion.

In the end, it all hinges in different definitions of "Mozilla,"
"Browser," "Mozilla product", "Seamonkey" and such.

Most of us here define those things from the inside out. Rufus looks at
the surface only.

- We consider a product a browser only if it has its own browser engine.
- Rufus does not care about browser engine; he makes no distinction
between browser and shells.

- We consider something a "Mozilla product" only if its built on Mozilla
technology.
- Rufus considers something a "Mozilla product" if it has the
appropriate name slapped on top.

- We look at the Mozilla project and see the underlying technology.
- Rufus looks at it and sees product branding.

- We define Seamonkey at least in part through its genealogy and
evolution, that is, as the successor to the Mozilla suite and Netscape.
- Rufus looks at it and see a browser and an e-mail client tacked together.

By *our* definitions, it's impossible to make a iOS version of
Seamonkey, because we can't use the most essential piece of the Mozilla
technology, that is, the Gecko engine. Without Gecko, it's no longer
Seamonkey, period.

By *his* definition, only the surface matters, so it should be possible
to build an entirely new, superficially similar but technologically
incompatible product and slap the "Seamonkey" label on top.

And yes, it might be possible to build such a browser-plus-email combo
for iOS, building on top of the native Webkit. Only this would bear no
resemblance to a Mozilla or Seamonkey product, on several levels. Even
the surface (the user interface) would necessarily be different from the
desktop product; touch-and-physics interface in a small screen is
fundamentally different from point-and-click in a big screen. Look at
how little the Mobile Firefox UI resembles the desktop Firefox UI.

Some other team might be interested in doing such a project. From what I
have gathered here, nobody at the Seamonkey team is.



Very, very close...I only added "branding" to the discussion because 
this is a business venture of sorts IMO, but I really meant something a 
bit deeper than that - User Experience.


What I really meant to get across was a POV from a strictly *user* 
standpoint.  Someone once mentioned that the team is short on member UE 
background, and now I can see that in action.  But you got me right - 
"nuts and bolts" vs the user experience of, and interaction with, the 
product.  The user experience *is* the product from the user POV, and 
why the user *keeps* using the product...not what the user can't see. 
That was/is my point.


And that's the where, what, and why of why I've been talking in terms of 
"feature set" and "functionality" - as a user, as long as it looks, 
behaves, and feels like SM and comes from the same team it *is* SM no 
matter what technology or code it is based upon and that the user can't 
see, touch...or even understand the details of in most cases - including 
my own.  Maintain a user interface and feature set, and to a *user* it's 
still the same product - even if the code changes or technical platform 
limitations are encountered as with iCab and Opera Mobile.


But I get where the team is coming from now that the *true* actualities 
and philosophies behind the "impossible" stance have surfaced - I 
personally don't accept that much of anything is "impossible"...it's 
just not how I live.  Still...I'm glad at least *somebody* gets the gist 
of my philosophy.


There *won't* be an iOS version of SM, and at this point I'm not even 
sure one would be useful given my growing familiarity with the iOS whole 
screen interface; which is another seed I've tried to plant as a 
generality for people to just plain think about no matter what they are 
developing.  That general interface approach is coming fast, and I for 
one am still a bit puzzled by it...can't say I like it much.


Anyway, what I really wanted out of such a *new* SM product for iOS was 
it's usnet reader - I've since found one (NewsTap - the only one for iOS 
presently, so a market is out there) and it's actually pretty nicely 
featured.  Personally, I'd have zero problem *paying* the SM team or 
anyone 99 cents - or more - for such an app...if it

Re: Publish Feature

In article ,
 Philip Chee  wrote:

> > Completely forgot about FileZilla.
> > 
> > Still won't touch Composer with a 100 mile pole.
> 
> To be able to wield a 100 mile pole, you'd have to be Son Goku!
> 
> Phil

Komposer has a few features SeaMonkey does not, such as CSS.
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Problem with Flash Document?

2011-07-05 Thread d...@kd4e.com


Linux - Seamonkey 2.0.14 - Shockwave Flash 10.2 d151

Anyone able to see why the Flash document here
just cycles and never loads, please?

http://ehbcstatesboro.blogspot.com/p/netma.html


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Re: Publish Feature

In article ,
 WLS  wrote:

> 
> Looked for FireFTP on AMO, but couldn't find it. The one I did find was 
> incompatible with SM 2.2, so didn't recommend it. Philip's installed 
> with no problem.
> 
> Completely forgot about FileZilla.
> 
> Still won't touch Composer with a 100 mile pole.

Not for Mac users.

Regardless I'll just continue to use CyberDuck (which is also free).
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Re: Publish Feature

In article ,
 MCBastos  wrote:

> FireFTP is an extension to add richer FTP functionality to Firefox.
> Philip Chee has a version ported to Seamonkey (including 2.1):
> 
> http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireftp

Thats not Mac compatible
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Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/5/2011 4:46 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

I'm using SM 2.0.14 .
For this account according to the account settings:
- I am connecting to pop.att.yahoo.net:995 .
- The outgoing server (SMTP) is
urj...@bellsouth.net - smtp.att.y...
(I'm guessing that's smtp.att.yahoo.net . But the
box for entering the entry doesn't scroll. So I can
not verify the name)
- Connection security is SSL/TLS
and the check box for 'Use secure authentication' is unchecked

[By the way, the account editing window can not be re-sized.
For server settings, it is too narrow so that the boxes
for 'advanced' and 'browse' are truncated on the right.
Has the window been made re-sizable now for 2.1+ ]

Recently my system has begun to issue the following error
when I try to send out emails on this account:
"Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail:
Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com.
It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have
chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password'
for that server or contact your server provider"

NOTE: This is not a hard error. If I wait a minute or two
and retry sending the message, it is sent out successfully.

So who's to blame? AND how do I get rid of this annoyance?

To quote myself from an earlier thread here:

I found
http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/thunderbird_has_stopped_getting_yahoo_mail
which seems like it is not a SeaMonkey issue.

Well the discussion on that page seems to deal with a related, and much
more serious problem between TB and yahoo/att. Also the comments posted
by Lee and slicer point the finger of blame at the big bad provider.
But nevertheless because it is happening in SM and TB, both being
(Mozilla) Gecko based products it is a SeaMonkey issue, in as much
as it needs a resolution.
So my second question remains. How do I get rid of this annoyance
(without compromising security)?

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Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?

S Slicer wrote:

Lee wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Recently my system has begun to issue the following error
when I try to send out emails on this account:
"Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail:
Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com.
It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have
chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password'
for that server or contact your server provider"

>> Hi, same here, also can save it as a draft and it will usually go out
>> with no problems. Also I have security and authentication block
>> checked and it works for me most of the time and
>> if I have a problem I un check it and try to send with negative
>> results and then put it back to checked and it works. I also have
>> Yahoo, with vista as an OS. Hmm go figure !!

I don't have to play around changing options or saving as a draft.
I just wait and re-try in about a minute or so and it goes.
>
> I have AT&T Uverse, and I also get that msg. once in a while.  I also
> got that when I used Comcast cable years ago.
> My impression is that the msg. is triggered whenever your carrier
> has the e-mail system offline for periodic maintenance.

Well mr? Slicer, I don't think that your impression can be correct,
because re trying after one or two minutes usually results in a
successful send and then the problem will re occur in another five
or ten minutes. That kind of timing doesn't fit a pattern of
the e-mail system being offline for periodic maintenance.

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Re: is it possible ...

2011-07-05 Thread km


Michael Gordon wrote:

km wrote:

... in mail mofe to havs 'sm' automaticall
print out ur name, taken from the user
profile [or wherever]at the top of each letter.???

km


KM,

It is possible from the Print Set-up Menu.
Open File/Print Set-up.
Select one of the margin positions and select "Custom".

Michael G

... no no, i didn't mean  a hardcopy. i meant in my puter
so i can mail therm like that.

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Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?

2011-07-05 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)

On 7/5/2011 4:46 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

NOTE: This is not a hard error. If I wait a minute or two
and retry sending the message, it is sent out successfully.

So who's to blame? AND how do I get rid of this annoyance?

To quote myself from an earlier thread here:

I found
http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/thunderbird_has_stopped_getting_yahoo_mail
which seems like it is not a SeaMonkey issue.

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Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?

2011-07-05 Thread S Slicer

I have AT&T Uverse, and I also get that msg. once in a while.  I also 
got that when I used Comcast cable years ago.  My impression is that the 
msg. is triggered whenever your carrier has the e-mail system offline 
for periodic maintenance.


Lee wrote:

Hi, same here, also can save it as a draft and it will usually go out
with no problems. Also I have security and authentication block checked
and it works for me most of the time and
if I have a problem I un check it and try to send with negative
results and then put it back to checked and it works. I also have
Yahoo, with vista as an OS. Hmm go figure !!

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Recently my system has begun to issue the following error
when I try to send out emails on this account:
"Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail:
Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com.
It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have
chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password'
for that server or contact your server provider"



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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst complainers ever

2011-07-05 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 05/07/2011 14:44, J. Weaver Jr. told the world:
> Rufus wrote:
>> Robert Kaiser wrote:
>>>  Rufus schrieb:
  I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A
  Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for
>>>
>>>  And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a
>>>  non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end.
>>>
>>>  Robert Kaiser
>>>
>>
>> I doubt that...I've got all sorts of faith in your abilities.  If your
>> resources are limited, that's something else altogether.
> 
> ...so, volunteer. It sounds like you've got more interest in seeing this 
> happen than everyone else here put together. So, DO IT. We've got all 
> sorts of faith in _your_ abilities. ;) -JW

I had a bit of an inspiration regarding this discussion.

In the end, it all hinges in different definitions of "Mozilla,"
"Browser," "Mozilla product", "Seamonkey" and such.

Most of us here define those things from the inside out. Rufus looks at
the surface only.

- We consider a product a browser only if it has its own browser engine.
- Rufus does not care about browser engine; he makes no distinction
between browser and shells.

- We consider something a "Mozilla product" only if its built on Mozilla
technology.
- Rufus considers something a "Mozilla product" if it has the
appropriate name slapped on top.

- We look at the Mozilla project and see the underlying technology.
- Rufus looks at it and sees product branding.

- We define Seamonkey at least in part through its genealogy and
evolution, that is, as the successor to the Mozilla suite and Netscape.
- Rufus looks at it and see a browser and an e-mail client tacked together.

By *our* definitions, it's impossible to make a iOS version of
Seamonkey, because we can't use the most essential piece of the Mozilla
technology, that is, the Gecko engine. Without Gecko, it's no longer
Seamonkey, period.

By *his* definition, only the surface matters, so it should be possible
to build an entirely new, superficially similar but technologically
incompatible product and slap the "Seamonkey" label on top.

And yes, it might be possible to build such a browser-plus-email combo
for iOS, building on top of the native Webkit. Only this would bear no
resemblance to a Mozilla or Seamonkey product, on several levels. Even
the surface (the user interface) would necessarily be different from the
desktop product; touch-and-physics interface in a small screen is
fundamentally different from point-and-click in a big screen. Look at
how little the Mobile Firefox UI resembles the desktop Firefox UI.

Some other team might be interested in doing such a project. From what I
have gathered here, nobody at the Seamonkey team is.

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Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?

2011-07-05 Thread Lee


Hi, same here, also can save it as a draft and it will usually go out
with no problems.  Also I have security and authentication block checked 
and it works for me most of the time and

if I have a problem I un check it and try to send with negative
results and then put it back to checked and it works.  I also have
Yahoo, with vista as an OS.  Hmm go figure !!

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Recently my system has begun to issue the following error
when I try to send out emails on this account:
"Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail:
Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com.
It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have
chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password'
for that server or contact your server provider"


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Re: A js-based PDF reader

2011-07-05 Thread Mike


cmcadams wrote:

JD wrote:

cmcadams wrote:

As referenced on slashdot:

http://andreasgal.github.com/pdf.js/multi_page_viewer.html#1

Article here:

http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2011/07/03/pdf-js-first-milestone/

It sort-of works on SM 2.1. Not perfect, but still remarkable.


Or:

http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/

Fill in the blanks to get Version 8.3:

http://get.adobe.com/reader/completion/?installer=Reader_8.3_English_for_Windows


Once installed, Edit, Preferences, uncheck Enable Acrobat JavaScript.
Click on OK.



And that will do. . .?


It will get you a product that will be considered End of Life by Adobe 
in approximately 5 months.


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Re: is it possible ...

2011-07-05 Thread Michael Gordon


km wrote:

... in mail mofe to havs 'sm' automaticall
print out ur name, taken from the user
profile [or wherever]at the top of each letter.???

km


KM,

It is possible from the Print Set-up Menu.
Open File/Print Set-up.
Select one of the margin positions and select "Custom".

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Re: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?

2011-07-05 Thread Jay O'Brien

I Agree, it has been doing this exact thing to me on three 
different computers with three different email addresses 
on att.net for several months. No one seems concerned. 
Sometimes I have to send as many as seven times before it 
finally is accepted. ATT/Yahoo is no help, either.

Jay

 Original Message 
Subject: Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:46:27 -0400
From: Rostyslaw Lewyckyj 
To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

I'm using SM 2.0.14 .
For this account according to the account settings:
  - I am connecting to pop.att.yahoo.net:995  .
  - The outgoing server (SMTP) is
urj...@bellsouth.net - smtp.att.y...
(I'm guessing that's smtp.att.yahoo.net . But the
box for entering the entry doesn't scroll. So I can
not verify the name)
  - Connection security is  SSL/TLS
  and the check box for 'Use secure authentication' is unchecked

[By the way, the account editing window can not be re-sized.
For server settings, it is too narrow so that the boxes
for 'advanced' and 'browse' are truncated on the right.
Has the window been made re-sizable now for 2.1+ ]

Recently my system has begun to issue the following error
when I try to send out emails on this account:
"Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail:
Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com.
It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have
chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password'
for that server or contact your server provider"

NOTE: This is not a hard error. If I wait a minute or two
and retry sending the message, it is sent out successfully.

So who's to blame? AND how do I get rid of this annoyance?

-- 
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread km


Bill Davidsen wrote:

chicagofan wrote:

James E. Morrow wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in
http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on,
see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla -
which now makes me say things like "A beta user sample of [roughly 4-5x
the release users of SeaMonkey] is too small to give us really good
data
on stability, but so far it looks stable enough to ship this as a final
release." :)

I'm not too far away, but not here as much as previously. And I feel
good getting less vitriol about my work and working with people who can
do Mozilla stuff full-time. ;-)

Robert Kaiser

As one who has read and mostly lurked in this group since its inception,
allow me to say that your efforts on behalf of the SeaMonkey Project are
greatly appreciated. We all have to step back now and again. But your
work as project leader leaves SeaMonkey well established to go forward.
Thank you Robert.


Same here... another long time reader of this ng and SM user, who
greatly appreciates Robert's contribution to the continuation of SM, and
helping all of us along the way.

Hope you don't stay too far away, Robert. :)
bj


2nd that, I have disagreed with Robert at times, but never doubted his
efforts represented his best solution to whatever problem was at hand,
and were not chosen to be the least work, other than when even the least
work was a strain on resources.



... well, how much did you pay  for it???

km

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is it possible ...

2011-07-05 Thread km


... in mail mofe to havs 'sm' automaticall
print out ur name, taken from the user
profile [or wherever]at the top of each letter.???

km
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Re: Skipping version 2.1


Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:

Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:46:32 +0200, /Ray_Net/:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/5/2011 12:35 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


So. Under the new accelerated version release schedule,
When should we expect SM 2.3 ? :) :) :)


Between 6 and 6.5 weeks from "today"


So we need to install a new version every 6 weeks ...g.
or could we wait for 3.0 ?


You don't need to. The automated update is quite automatic. If you don't
want automatic updates you could set so (Preferences / Advanced /
Software Installation) - you'll still be able to check manually for
updates (Help -> Check for Updates) and have the update happening by a
single confirmation button click.


Oh sure... The update process may get to be smoothly automated.
But that's not the problem.
Every new version release brings with it a new bag of bugs.
Hopefully some old bugs squashed but always some new bugs show up.
A version release is a progression from a beta to a gamma error
testing phase. Now a whole new population begins to try using
the program. These are, by the way, not your gung-ho beta testers
or early adopters who needed some feature of the new release.

New features are 'nice', but I'd rather see a stable version
and a follow-up series of bug patching and minor cosmetic
repairs.

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Re: Skipping version 2.1

2011-07-05 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)


On 7/5/2011 4:46 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/5/2011 12:35 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/4/2011 7:12 AM, David Wilkinson wrote:

Are there any issues with upgrading directly from 2.0.14 to 2.2?



No worries there, but we'll be releasing 2.2 within the next few days
(max -- likely tomorrow) and in the next 2 weeks we'll setup an
automatic update from 2.0 to 2.2 as well.


So. Under the new accelerated version release schedule,
When should we expect SM 2.3 ? :) :) :)


Between 6 and 6.5 weeks from "today"


So we need to install a new version every 6 weeks ...g.
or could we wait for 3.0 ?


Well few things
* You don't have to, there is preferences to change this
* It is ---highly--- recommended
* It is required if you want to stay up to date on security updates, 
there will be no more 2.1 updates. (And only a 2.2.x update if there is 
a chemspill type of release)
* The updates will be quite simple overall, there is the potential for 
some addons to be marked incompat, we will in the next few weeks be 
tackling trying to ready a system like Firefox is doing to try and 
mitigate these addon issues. Along with addon-dev outreach.


Also of note, SeaMonkey specific changes in 2.3 vs 2.2 are near-0, due 
to the timing of us joing the "rapid-release-train". The changes you 
would see are either Gecko-Specific features (website/platform side) and 
addon incompats that should hopefully be updated in good time.


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Re: can't access Lotus Notes web mail

2011-07-05 Thread Jim


NoOp wrote:

...
Can you access it from Firefox? And if so what version (try FF 3.x and 5.0)?



I don't have FF on my home nor work PC, and don't intend to try to 
install them.  Thanks for the suggestion, though.

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Re: Skipping version 2.1


Ray_Net wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/5/2011 12:35 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/4/2011 7:12 AM, David Wilkinson wrote:

Are there any issues with upgrading directly from 2.0.14 to 2.2?



No worries there, but we'll be releasing 2.2 within the next few days
(max -- likely tomorrow) and in the next 2 weeks we'll setup an
automatic update from 2.0 to 2.2 as well.


So. Under the new accelerated version release schedule,
When should we expect SM 2.3 ? :) :) :)


Between 6 and 6.5 weeks from "today"


So we need to install a new version every 6 weeks ...g.
or could we wait for 3.0 ?


Well you might. . .  .
But you know that the future is uncertain.
I wouldn't try to guess how long the 2.x sequence might be,
perhaps 2.(3,4,5 ... 20), or perhaps they'll re-name the release
right after 2.3 as some 3.x :) . Or perhaps they'll be conservative
in the version numbering race, but do something like a massive
bug extermination and other clean up at some 2.x level.
Would you then wait for a 3.0 labeled version?

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Re: Skipping version 2.1

2011-07-05 Thread Stanimir Stamenkov


Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:46:32 +0200, /Ray_Net/:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/5/2011 12:35 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:


So. Under the new accelerated version release schedule,
When should we expect SM 2.3 ? :) :) :)


Between 6 and 6.5 weeks from "today"


So we need to install a new version every 6 weeks ...g.
or could we wait for 3.0 ?


You don't need to.  The automated update is quite automatic.  If you 
don't want automatic updates you could set so (Preferences / 
Advanced / Software Installation) - you'll still be able to check 
manually for updates (Help -> Check for Updates) and have the update 
happening by a single confirmation button click.


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Re: Some of topic: Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever


PhillipJones wrote:

Rufus wrote:


Actually, 2.3 might be something I could be interested in. Maybe. Too
many things are changing in the Mac world at once...

My big fear remains the Lion OS, it's "iOS-like" full screen app
implementation (which I hope I can turn off, or find a hack to turn off)
and what that is going to mean for everyone. Frankly, I'm more concerned
about functionality of current app implementations under Lion than I am
about the apps (like SM) themselves.

That being said, I'm not in a mode to update/upgrade most of my software
until I get a dose of what Lion really will or won't do for me. If I do
grab the Lion OS then I'll be mostly starting from scratch and it may
make more sense for me to move to SM 2.3 and beyond. Util then I'll be
holding onto SM 2.0.14.


Lion will absolutely kill Classic and PPC code.
Intel only and Universal Binary work fine.



Yes...something I have/maintain is a ton of 3D animation content (which 
is a major reason I'm not in the least interested in Linux) and while 
that content will still work, their installers are probably not going to 
work!  Now that *is* a conundrum...and I have a lot more stuff like this.



I am looking at the prospect of a 1-1/2 drive to go to an Apple store
download and install OSX.7.



I have a LaCie hard drive set which I may just buy another removable 
drive for and replicate my current internal drive...make a dual-boot 
system.  Other than that, I'll likely end up buying a new '27 iMac once 
I can get one with Lion installed...Mini first, though.  For my AV setup.



And there being key components in my recent install of Web Premium CS5.5
That are still written in PPC Code. So one of my web premium
Applications may not work as they should.



One thing you can do to get a read is open System Profiler, select 
"Applications" and sort on Kind - that will tell you exactly what you 
have, system wide on all connected disks.  Then you can segregate your 
non-Intel stuff from the rest if you want to go that way.


But I also worry about this new "full screen" interface...after the 
taste of it I've had on my iPad I can see that seriously affecting my 
workflow, and my application selection choices.  So clean slate with a 
new machine may be my best option forward.  I've got too many machines 
as it is...ugggh...Lions ability to use whole disk encryption may force 
the issue of using SSDs, too - to make up speed.  We use WDE at work, 
and it's a PITA.


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Unable to authenticate to SMTP ?? #@?


I'm using SM 2.0.14 .
For this account according to the account settings:
 - I am connecting to pop.att.yahoo.net:995  .
 - The outgoing server (SMTP) is
urj...@bellsouth.net - smtp.att.y...
(I'm guessing that's smtp.att.yahoo.net . But the
box for entering the entry doesn't scroll. So I can
not verify the name)
 - Connection security is  SSL/TLS
 and the check box for 'Use secure authentication' is unchecked

[By the way, the account editing window can not be re-sized.
For server settings, it is too narrow so that the boxes
for 'advanced' and 'browse' are truncated on the right.
Has the window been made re-sizable now for 2.1+ ]

Recently my system has begun to issue the following error
when I try to send out emails on this account:
"Sending of message failed. An error occurred sending mail:
Unable to authenticate to SMTP server smtp.att.yahoo.com.
It does not support authentication (SMTP-AUTH) but you have
chosen to use authentication. Uncheck 'use name and password'
for that server or contact your server provider"

NOTE: This is not a hard error. If I wait a minute or two
and retry sending the message, it is sent out successfully.

So who's to blame? AND how do I get rid of this annoyance?

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Re: Skipping version 2.1

2011-07-05 Thread Ray_Net


Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/5/2011 12:35 AM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:

On 7/4/2011 7:12 AM, David Wilkinson wrote:

Are there any issues with upgrading directly from 2.0.14 to 2.2?



No worries there, but we'll be releasing 2.2 within the next few days
(max -- likely tomorrow) and in the next 2 weeks we'll setup an
automatic update from 2.0 to 2.2 as well.


So. Under the new accelerated version release schedule,
When should we expect SM 2.3 ? :) :) :)


Between 6 and 6.5 weeks from "today"


So we need to install a new version every 6 weeks ...g.
or could we wait for 3.0 ?
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Some of topic: Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread PhillipJones


Rufus wrote:

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't
believe that.


And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to
requiring
XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole
app on
something else due to resource constraints (and just not wanting to -
which is argument #1 in a volunteer community).

Robert Kaiser




That's what I was looking to hear. Not that it's "impossible".


Look Rufus.
You have now strayed far off the topic of criticizing Seamonkey 2.1.
Really, your rants belong in the/an advocacy group, rather than a
support/help group.
And anyway SM 2.1 is now history, with 2.2 supposed to be announced
today, and according to Justin Wood (Callek) 2.3 due in 6-7 weeks
from now, and on the new release schedule more versions soon
thereafter in rapid succession. :)
Remember that each new version/release brings with it a whole new
bag of goodies and bugs. So if you want to vent, switch now to 2.2.



Actually, 2.3 might be something I could be interested in. Maybe. Too
many things are changing in the Mac world at once...

My big fear remains the Lion OS, it's "iOS-like" full screen app
implementation (which I hope I can turn off, or find a hack to turn off)
and what that is going to mean for everyone. Frankly, I'm more concerned
about functionality of current app implementations under Lion than I am
about the apps (like SM) themselves.

That being said, I'm not in a mode to update/upgrade most of my software
until I get a dose of what Lion really will or won't do for me. If I do
grab the Lion OS then I'll be mostly starting from scratch and it may
make more sense for me to move to SM 2.3 and beyond. Util then I'll be
holding onto SM 2.0.14.


Lion will absolutely kill Classic and PPC code.
Intel only and Universal Binary work fine.

I am looking at the prospect of a 1-1/2 drive to go to an Apple store 
download and install OSX.7.


And there being key components in my recent install of Web Premium CS5.5 
That are still written in PPC Code.  So one of my web premium 
Applications may not work as they should.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever


Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't
believe that.


And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring
XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole app on
something else due to resource constraints (and just not wanting to -
which is argument #1 in a volunteer community).

Robert Kaiser




That's what I was looking to hear. Not that it's "impossible".


Look Rufus.
You have now strayed far off the topic of criticizing Seamonkey 2.1.
Really, your rants belong in the/an advocacy group, rather than a
support/help group.
And anyway SM 2.1 is now history, with 2.2 supposed to be announced
today, and according to Justin Wood (Callek) 2.3 due in 6-7 weeks
from now, and on the new release schedule more versions soon
thereafter in rapid succession. :)
Remember that each new version/release brings with it a whole new
bag of goodies and bugs. So if you want to vent, switch now to 2.2.



Actually, 2.3 might be something I could be interested in.  Maybe.  Too 
many things are changing in the Mac world at once...


My big fear remains the Lion OS, it's "iOS-like" full screen app 
implementation (which I hope I can turn off, or find a hack to turn off) 
and what that is going to mean for everyone.  Frankly, I'm more 
concerned about functionality of current app implementations under Lion 
than I am about the apps (like SM) themselves.


That being said, I'm not in a mode to update/upgrade most of my software 
until I get a dose of what Lion really will or won't do for me.  If I do 
grab the Lion OS then I'll be mostly starting from scratch and it may 
make more sense for me to move to SM 2.3 and beyond.  Util then I'll be 
holding onto SM 2.0.14.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever


Rufus wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't
believe that.


And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring
XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole app on
something else due to resource constraints (and just not wanting to -
which is argument #1 in a volunteer community).

Robert Kaiser




That's what I was looking to hear. Not that it's "impossible".


Look Rufus.
You have now strayed far off the topic of criticizing Seamonkey 2.1.
Really, your rants belong in the/an advocacy group, rather than a
support/help group.
And anyway SM 2.1 is now history, with 2.2 supposed to be announced
today, and according to Justin Wood (Callek) 2.3 due in 6-7 weeks
from now, and on the new release schedule more versions soon
thereafter in rapid succession. :)
Remember that each new version/release brings with it a whole new
bag of goodies and bugs. So if you want to vent, switch now to 2.2.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst complainers ever


J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

Rufus wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A
Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for


And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a
non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end.

Robert Kaiser



I doubt that...I've got all sorts of faith in your abilities. If your
resources are limited, that's something else altogether.


...so, volunteer. It sounds like you've got more interest in seeing this
happen than everyone else here put together. So, DO IT. We've got all
sorts of faith in _your_ abilities. ;) -JW


...then your faith is misplaced considering that I'm not a coder, but I 
am considering it.


Of course, I couldn't wouldn't have any affiliation with the SM 
team...for the reasons they point out.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst complainers ever

2011-07-05 Thread J. Weaver Jr.


Rufus wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

 Rufus schrieb:

 I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A
 Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for


 And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a
 non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end.

 Robert Kaiser



I doubt that...I've got all sorts of faith in your abilities.  If your
resources are limited, that's something else altogether.


...so, volunteer. It sounds like you've got more interest in seeing this 
happen than everyone else here put together. So, DO IT. We've got all 
sorts of faith in _your_ abilities. ;) -JW

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Re: Publish Feature

2011-07-05 Thread Philip Chee

On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 10:17:28 -0400, WLS wrote:
> MCBastos wrote:
>> Interviewed by CNN on 05/07/2011 09:08, WLS told the world:
>>
>>> You could always use a separate FTP program. I use gFTP on my openSUSE
>>> 11.3 Linux.
>>>
>>> There used to be free version of WS_FTP, but you might want to take a
>>> look at the Pro version. It has a 30 day free trial.
>>>
>>> http://www.ipswitchft.com/products/ws_ftp_pro/index.aspx?ps=1
>>
>> There are free FTP programs, you know. Both free and libre.
>>
>> The best-known is probably FileZilla -- http://filezilla-project.org
>>
>> FireFTP is an extension to add richer FTP functionality to Firefox.
>> Philip Chee has a version ported to Seamonkey (including 2.1):
>>
>> http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireftp
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Looked for FireFTP on AMO, but couldn't find it. The one I did find was 
> incompatible with SM 2.2, so didn't recommend it. Philip's installed 
> with no problem.

Great! Hope it works well for you.

> Completely forgot about FileZilla.
> 
> Still won't touch Composer with a 100 mile pole.

To be able to wield a 100 mile pole, you'd have to be Son Goku!

Phil

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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever


Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A
Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for


And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a
non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end.

Robert Kaiser



I doubt that...I've got all sorts of faith in your abilities.  If your 
resources are limited, that's something else altogether.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever


Robert Kaiser wrote:

Rufus schrieb:

...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't
believe that.


And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring
XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole app on
something else due to resource constraints (and just not wanting to -
which is argument #1 in a volunteer community).

Robert Kaiser




That's what I was looking to hear.  Not that it's "impossible".

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Re: A js-based PDF reader

2011-07-05 Thread PhillipJones


cmcadams wrote:

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 04/07/2011 14:57, cmcadams told the world:

As referenced on slashdot:

http://andreasgal.github.com/pdf.js/multi_page_viewer.html#1

Article here:

http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2011/07/03/pdf-js-first-milestone/

It sort-of works on SM 2.1. Not perfect, but still remarkable.



Very, very impressive work. Very cool.

From the notes, it appears that there are big problems to make it work
on non-Gecko browsers (and even older Geckos). And even when it works,
it's kinda sensitive to the precise version of Gecko and the OS it's
running on. So for the time being it's not that useful for website
designers.


Tried in IE8...stalls out totally without ever getting to content. So,
you're right.


But... it could be an interesting option for Gecko-based browser users.
Perhaps as an extension? Instead of using Adobe Reader, or Foxit, or PDF
X-Viewer or whatever, which all rely on the plugin interface, this could
use the extension API, which I understand (I'm not much of a programmer)
offers more features. At least, it seems to open a PDF inside the
browser faster than Adobe, which is not bad.





Until they are the broken again and again with each change in FireFox 
and SeaMonkey.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Kaiser


Rufus schrieb:

...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't
believe that.


And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring 
XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole app on 
something else due to resource constraints (and just not wanting to - 
which is argument #1 in a volunteer community).


Robert Kaiser


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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 --> worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Kaiser


Rufus schrieb:

I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A
Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for


And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a 
non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end.


Robert Kaiser

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Re: Publish Feature

2011-07-05 Thread WLS


MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 05/07/2011 09:08, WLS told the world:


You could always use a separate FTP program. I use gFTP on my openSUSE
11.3 Linux.

There used to be free version of WS_FTP, but you might want to take a
look at the Pro version. It has a 30 day free trial.

http://www.ipswitchft.com/products/ws_ftp_pro/index.aspx?ps=1


There are free FTP programs, you know. Both free and libre.

The best-known is probably FileZilla -- http://filezilla-project.org

FireFTP is an extension to add richer FTP functionality to Firefox.
Philip Chee has a version ported to Seamonkey (including 2.1):

http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireftp





Looked for FireFTP on AMO, but couldn't find it. The one I did find was 
incompatible with SM 2.2, so didn't recommend it. Philip's installed 
with no problem.


Completely forgot about FileZilla.

Still won't touch Composer with a 100 mile pole.
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Re: Publish Feature

2011-07-05 Thread MCBastos

Interviewed by CNN on 05/07/2011 09:08, WLS told the world:

> You could always use a separate FTP program. I use gFTP on my openSUSE 
> 11.3 Linux.
> 
> There used to be free version of WS_FTP, but you might want to take a 
> look at the Pro version. It has a 30 day free trial.
> 
> http://www.ipswitchft.com/products/ws_ftp_pro/index.aspx?ps=1

There are free FTP programs, you know. Both free and libre.

The best-known is probably FileZilla -- http://filezilla-project.org

FireFTP is an extension to add richer FTP functionality to Firefox.
Philip Chee has a version ported to Seamonkey (including 2.1):

http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fireftp



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Re: Publish Feature

2011-07-05 Thread WLS


John wrote:

In article,
  WLS  wrote:


John wrote:

I use the Sea monkey Composer but when I click on the Publish to Server
option, there is no way to select or browse the folder directories on
the remote server, or am I missing something?


John


Not missing anything.

It publishes the file and nothing more, but you can specify a site sub
directory for the page you want to publish, if you know it.

You can also specify one for images and other files.


What a horrid way to publish by forcing me to know the directory path.


You could always use a separate FTP program. I use gFTP on my openSUSE 
11.3 Linux.


Then again I wouldn't touch composer wit a 10 "mile" pole.

There used to be free version of WS_FTP, but you might want to take a 
look at the Pro version. It has a 30 day free trial.


http://www.ipswitchft.com/products/ws_ftp_pro/index.aspx?ps=1
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Re: Seamonkey2 - themes issues

2011-07-05 Thread Zanqeutil


Bret Busby schreef:

My unbuntu 8.04 on my old(ish) laptop computer has just upgraded the
Seamonkey to version 2.

It has changed the appearance of Seamonkey, to some silly looking theme,
that is listed as the "default theme".

It appears that software developers design software for their own
pleasure, and not for the users.

The "Classic" theme will not install.

The "Littlemonkey" theme has some silly looking phallic symbols to the
left of the toolbars.

Is is possible to get a traditional looking theme for Seamonkey 2.x, so
that we can have a decent appearance for Seamonkey, like the themes from
Seamonkey 1 or Netscape?

Thank you in anticipation.

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published by Pan Books, 1992




I posted this earlier on 20-06-2011

SM 2.1, for classic theme (SM 1.xxx default) diehards

Seazilla 0.3

June 16, 2011 ,SeaMonkey 2.0b1pre - 2.0.*

I installed Seamonkey 2.1 as an update on top off Seamonkey 2.0.14
Everything went flawlessly, SM 2.1 disabled Classic Default Theme 0.7.

So I installed Add-On Compatibility Reporter 0.8.5
June 6, 2011, SeaMonkey 2.0 - 2.4a1
https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/seamonkey/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/?src=api

I could now enable Classic Default Theme 0.7 and it worked, bur some 
things were badly broken.


Then I installed Seazilla Classic Theme 0.3, it's a fairly new theme

Seazilla 0.3

June 16, 2011 ,SeaMonkey 2.0b1pre - 2.0.*

A rebuild of the Mozilla1.x/Seamonkey1.x classic theme.
https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/seamonkey/addon/seazilla/?src=api

Seazilla works withh SM 2.1 after some tweaks.

General verdict.

Browser OK
Mail/News/Mail/Mail-Composer OK
Add-On manager OK, looks the same as the SM 2.1 Default Theme
Bookmark manager/organizer, some minor things but usable.
Pssword Mangager OK

But

If you click Window/ Adressbook you get an anomaly.
The Delete/Remove Icon is not supported (verwijderen in Dutch)
It creates a lot of space, you can drag it from the bar, rightclick and
choose customize, drag it down and everthing looks ok.

I Used a localized SM 2.1 NL version (Dutch),Windows 2000 Pro, Seazilla 
looks grey-ish. I don't know how this theme looks on Windows XP/Vista/Win7


Sreenshots, removed wrong icons

Adressbook wrong delete-icon (verwijderen = delete)
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ztgksh.jpg

Drag wrong icon from the bar
http://i51.tinypic.com/2py4akg.jpg

Adresbook correct after removing icon
http://i56.tinypic.com/ff0rc5.jpg

The sync button can cause problems too.
Wrong Sync Icon in Browser
http://i55.tinypic.com/14jbuj7.jpg

Sync Icon in mail/news
http://i53.tinypic.com/35mp8yh.jpg

Regards,

Zanqeutil
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Re: Publish Feature