Re: news group mozilla.support.seamonkey problems
NoOp wrote: On 11/08/2011 01:16 AM, Daniel wrote: Daniel wrote: Daniel wrote: NoOp wrote: Sorry, NoOp, I didn't read in the OP's post that they were trying to download all messages for off-line reading. I haven't downloaded messages for off-line reading for quite some time. However, I am now trying to download this group...let you know. I've just downloaded about 6800 messages, no interruptions or whatever.time to go to bed, I'll look at the file tomorrow and let you know if the messages were saved. Not a problem, before I came online to get my mail, I switched SM browser to Off-Line mode and was able to check-out some of the 6800 messages from this newsgroup. You forgot a zero. There are currently 66915 msgs on this server: http://newsgroupstats.info/reader/news.mozilla.org/mozilla.support.seamonkey.html Well 66,916 now. Hey, NoOp, did you see in my next para I mentioned 10% You and the OP were supposedly having troubles downloading 1,000 messages, so my 6,800 was way, way, above your problem level!! Interestingly, I thought if I downloaded 10% of the messages, it would be the first (or last) 10%, but this was not the case. I checked the root/original messages of the first fifty threads or so. First ten were o.k., eleventh was missing, next half a dozen or so were o.k., then two not downloaded, then more downloaded. Never got the message that you, NoOp, or the OP, have been getting. Seems to me I *only* got that message (in the past) if I was trying to look at a message on a server/group which had a policy of expiring all messages after a fixed time limit. No comment about my last para above, NoOp?? -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How do I make a signature .GIF file that can be attached to a message?--Message to all that responded to my call for help.
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: [bigsnip] Frog wrote: I am trying to make a .GIF signature file that can be attached to a message---like I can attach a piece of clip art to a message. Do a plain-text signature. Why we cannot use a beautiful signature ? If you use it in business because your company requires it, okay. At least try to keep down the bytesize. I was at work using Outlook, and *all* our signatures were we have all our details, phone number, position, plus the logo of our company - all of that very nice. Nobody have complained about it. If it was company policy, who would complain? And who do you know who actually *reads* all those space-robbing signatures? Here's a case I have to deal with: one of the web sites I maintain is for a local business. Frequently, two of the employees will collaborate on some new content - not by sitting down across a desk, but by sending emails to each other, fifteen feet away from each other. With each email, they add their own sig graphic, around 40KB each (and they both top-post). Finally, they agree on the content and one of them sends it all to me, and I get a huge email with a half-dozen or more copies of the worked-on content, and all these graphics because none of them is smart enough to *trim* off extraneous crap. I get an email of a few paragraphs of business, maybe a few kilobytes, and a waste with 250 MORE kilobytes of signature graphics. If the receiver want to stay in the past allowing only plain text, this is his choice - We don't care ... he should live in the present. I'm living in the present and read all mail in Plain Text. You're right, it's my choice. I don't care what you do, but at least give your recipients a break. A couple of lines in HTML with a nice font should suffice. And be sure to delimit it with the proper sig delimiter, as shown next, two hyphens followed by a space on a single line (though that rarely works with HTML email): I never tried it. This is my signature i uses C:\ALLDATA\signature1.txt A pure plain text, but someone prefer to have a better appearance. The problem with the nice font, is because: If the receiver did not have this font installed. Ray, I'll give you another problem, or rather you'll give me a problemmy ISP gives me a 500kB mailbox, so if I received two or more of those untrimmed, HTML-rich, emails Beaugard mentions above of 250kB or more, *YOU* with your pretty sig files (which probably tell*me* absolutely nothing useful) are costing *ME* money. Thanks, but no thanks! My isp give me a mailbox with a quota of 40 Megabytes. I download my mail daily so i did not reach the limit. A person sending me a huge amount of mails with big attachements ... force me to take a Gmail account - Now he is sending me those mails there.(Gmail imposes a limit on the attachment size (20 MB) and the overall storage space (6 GB and growing)) Notice that my signature is not an html one, but just a pure text with my adress and my phone numbers. Well, I'm happy you have a 40MB mail account! I don't, so the two 250kB+ messages would still exceed my limit, even if they don't touch the sides of your email account! -- Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What's Up With Lightning?
I just installed Seamonkey 2.4.1 and Lightning 1.0 is not showing as available for Seamonkey. I have 1.0b7 installed on a bunch of machines. Two questions: Why isn't the release version compatible the same versions as the beta versions? Why doesn't SeaMonkey point to the addon's that are compatible with the current release? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What's Up With Lightning?
WLS (CompTIA A+ Certified - Retired) wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: I just installed Seamonkey 2.4.1 and Lightning 1.0 is not showing as available for Seamonkey. I have 1.0b7 installed on a bunch of machines. Two questions: Why isn't the release version compatible the same versions as the beta versions? Why doesn't SeaMonkey point to the addon's that are compatible with the current release? Lightning 1.0b7 is the one that works with SeaMonkey 2.4.1. I knew that. My SeaMonkey pointed to the Lightning 1.0 that is compatible with SeaMonkey 2.5, since it is the same version that the just released Thunderbird 8 uses. Are you using Seamonkey 2.5? IF so that makes sense. I'm using 2.4.1, the current release version. Why doesn't it point to a version compatible with the installed version of Seamonkey? Hope this helps. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Calendar/Calendar_Versions I found that but it pretty well hidden. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What's Up With Lightning?
Rob Steinmetz wrote: WLS (CompTIA A+ Certified - Retired) wrote: Rob Steinmetz wrote: I just installed Seamonkey 2.4.1 and Lightning 1.0 is not showing as available for Seamonkey. I have 1.0b7 installed on a bunch of machines. Two questions: Why isn't the release version compatible the same versions as the beta versions? Why doesn't SeaMonkey point to the addon's that are compatible with the current release? Lightning 1.0b7 is the one that works with SeaMonkey 2.4.1. I knew that. My SeaMonkey pointed to the Lightning 1.0 that is compatible with SeaMonkey 2.5, since it is the same version that the just released Thunderbird 8 uses. Are you using Seamonkey 2.5? IF so that makes sense. I am using SeaMonkey 2.5 Beta, based on the same Gecko 8.0 that Thunderbird 8.0 is using. Thunderbird 8.0 has been released. There is a slight delay in the release of SeaMonkey 2.5. Lightning 1.0 is the version that works with both. I'm using 2.4.1, the current release version. Why doesn't it point to a version compatible with the installed version of Seamonkey? Because AMO is updated to present the current Lightning that works with the current release of Thunderbird. It did point to the version compatible with 2.4.1, when Thunderbird 7 was the release. Aside: I just installed SeaMonkey 2.6a2 and tried to install the Lightning version 1.2a2 indicated as compatible, on the Calendar versions page, and it doesn't work. I had to install the 1.1 version listed as compatible with Thunderbird version 9.0b1. which kind of makes sense because SM 2.6 is the next beta. However, the web page has a few errors on it, because the 1.1 is listed as 1.0b9pre in SM 2.6, which is the proper name based on the new naming scheme decided on recently. I think, I dunno, I'm so confused! Hang on tight and enjoy the ride! LOL! -- SeaMonkey - openSUSE 11.3 Linux - 1.8GHz CPU - 2GB RAM Get openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/114/en Firefox Support: http://support.mozilla.com Profile Manager: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Profile_Manager ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
I have been wondering what protocol is used to return the info in a web form. E.g. the mailto: protocol. I take it this is not SMTP. But is it HTTP; is it FTP; is it...? TIA D. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Dustbin wrote: I have been wondering what protocol is used to return the info in a web form. E.g. the mailto: protocol. I take it this is not SMTP. But is it HTTP; is it FTP; is it...? You're going to have to provide more details. The mailto: protocol will do nothing more than activate a default email client on your computer, such as SeaMonkey, with the TO: address filled in ^1. How you send the email you create is totally dependent upon your email account settings. (but if you are sending, it should be SMTP) ^1 optionally, some other bits such as Subject line, but those are unreliable across clients. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmark behavior
On Sun 06 Nov 2011 09:12:27pm EDT, /NoOp/ said in mozilla.support.seamonkey: On 11/06/2011 01:28 AM, Tom Stoudt wrote: On Sat 05 Nov 2011 07:19:28pm EDT, /David E. Ross/ said in mozilla.support.seamonkey: On 11/5/11 2:18 PM, Joe32065 wrote: In the past few versions of SeaMonkey going to Bookmarks/File Bookmark has a most annoying improvement. Instead of seeing all my folders and choosing where to file the new bookmark, I now only see 5 folders and have to click on Choose to see the rest. How is this supposed to be helpful? Is there a way to change it back, so it will work like on older versions? Thanks On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Bookmarks Manage Bookmarks] or else (on Windows) use Ctrl-B. Another alternative is to install the PrefBar extension and then import the Bookmarks Manager button from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/buttons.html#mgbookmarks, which is what I do. Prefbar doesn't work with Seamonkey 2.5(b). Really? Could have fooled me: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012 Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5 about:support PrefBar6.0.1true As I wrote to D.E.R., it will install, but it isn't functional. Under Edit/Preferences, there are no available items (buttons) listed for the Preferences Toolbar. It's completely blank. There is no Prefbar pull-down menu, and pressing F8 does nothing. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012 Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5 Using Windows XP Pro, SP3 and prefbar-6.0.1-fx+sm.xpi. about:support PrefBar 6.0.1 true I think I'll try it in a new clean profile, but I'll be suprised if it makes any difference. -- _T o m_ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Dustbin wrote: I have been wondering what protocol is used to return the info in a web form. E.g. the mailto: protocol. I take it this is not SMTP. But is it HTTP; is it FTP; is it...? You're going to have to provide more details. The mailto: protocol will do nothing more than activate a default email client on your computer, such as SeaMonkey, with the TO: address filled in ^1. How you send the email you create is totally dependent upon your email account settings. (but if you are sending, it should be SMTP) ^1 optionally, some other bits such as Subject line, but those are unreliable across clients. The problem with using the mailto: switch is with the SPAMOTS searching for valid e-mail addresses; they will send you tons of junk mail by scanning your web page. You can hide your e-mail address from them using a little JavaScript; the web browser reads the script and displays the name and address visually, but the BOTS cannot render the mail address. The other option is to use a CGI script on your web server to record the form contents (data) and sernd you an e-mail with all the data fields filled in. Your sending e-mail address is hidden in a folder on the server where the BOTS cannot get to it. Michael G -- Armadillo Web Development www.armadilloweb.com Cell: 903.244.3644 Opening your Door to Opportunity and inviting the world to walk through. Character is doing the right thing... Even when no one is watching... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bookmark behavior
On Wed 09 Nov 2011 06:27:06pm EDT, /Tom Stoudt/ said in mozilla.support.seamonkey: On Sun 06 Nov 2011 09:12:27pm EDT, /NoOp/ said in mozilla.support.seamonkey: On 11/06/2011 01:28 AM, Tom Stoudt wrote: On Sat 05 Nov 2011 07:19:28pm EDT, /David E. Ross/ said in mozilla.support.seamonkey: On 11/5/11 2:18 PM, Joe32065 wrote: In the past few versions of SeaMonkey going to Bookmarks/File Bookmark has a most annoying improvement. Instead of seeing all my folders and choosing where to file the new bookmark, I now only see 5 folders and have to click on Choose to see the rest. How is this supposed to be helpful? Is there a way to change it back, so it will work like on older versions? Thanks On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Bookmarks Manage Bookmarks] or else (on Windows) use Ctrl-B. Another alternative is to install the PrefBar extension and then import the Bookmarks Manager button from http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/buttons.html#mgbookmarks, which is what I do. Prefbar doesn't work with Seamonkey 2.5(b). Really? Could have fooled me: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012 Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5 about:support PrefBar6.0.1true As I wrote to D.E.R., it will install, but it isn't functional. Under Edit/Preferences, there are no available items (buttons) listed for the Preferences Toolbar. It's completely blank. There is no Prefbar pull-down menu, and pressing F8 does nothing. Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111012 Firefox/8.0 SeaMonkey/2.5 Using Windows XP Pro, SP3 and prefbar-6.0.1-fx+sm.xpi. about:support PrefBar 6.0.1 true I think I'll try it in a new clean profile, but I'll be suprised if it makes any difference. *SURPRISED* Well, what'd'ya know. It works. With a fresh profile, the button items are now there. The toolbar works with F8. At first, I didn't see any Prefbar pull-down menu, but found it hiding in the Customize Toolbars pane. Now I'll just have to rebuild the new profile to find out what other add-on was causing a conflct with Prefbar. -- _T o m_ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Michael Gordon wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Dustbin wrote: I have been wondering what protocol is used to return the info in a web form. E.g. the mailto: protocol. I take it this is not SMTP. But is it HTTP; is it FTP; is it...? You're going to have to provide more details. The mailto: protocol will do nothing more than activate a default email client on your computer, such as SeaMonkey, with the TO: address filled in ^1. How you send the email you create is totally dependent upon your email account settings. (but if you are sending, it should be SMTP) ^1 optionally, some other bits such as Subject line, but those are unreliable across clients. The problem with using the mailto: switch is with the SPAMOTS searching for valid e-mail addresses; they will send you tons of junk mail by scanning your web page. That's a common problem, if you compose your web page in the clear. You can hide your e-mail address from them using a little JavaScript; the web browser reads the script and displays the name and address visually, but the BOTS cannot render the mail address. ..or use this method, which works even when the visitor has JavaScript disabled: http://fingerlakesbmw.org/main/flobfuscate.php The other option is to use a CGI script on your web server to record the form contents (data) and sernd you an e-mail with all the data fields filled in. Your sending e-mail address is hidden in a folder on the server where the BOTS cannot get to it. I use web forms plus obfuscated mailtos on all my web sites, and bot-harvested spam is non-existent. But I believe your comments don't address the original question, at least as I have interpreted Dustbin's question. I think he was asking what protocol he uses for writing to the clicked mailto address, or he means what protocol the web site uses to send mail to the webmaster. Since the subject is hazy, I should mention that mailtos don't work for any visitor who does *not* have an email client, but who uses, say, a hotmail or yahoo-type web-based email system only. Clicking the mailto will never open the visitors' browsers to their webmail page. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How do I make a signature .GIF file that can be attached to a message?--Message to all that responded to my call for help.
On 11/09/2011 02:17 AM, Daniel wrote: ... Well, I'm happy you have a 40MB mail account! I don't, so the two 250kB+ messages would still exceed my limit, even if they don't touch the sides of your email account! Try trimming your replies... that will help you, and help others in the same situation. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Dustbin wrote: I have been wondering what protocol is used to return the info in a web form. E.g. the mailto: protocol. I take it this is not SMTP. But is it HTTP; is it FTP; is it...? You're going to have to provide more details. The mailto: protocol will do nothing more than activate a default email client on your computer, such as SeaMonkey, with the TO: address filled in ^1. How you send the email you create is totally dependent upon your email account settings. (but if you are sending, it should be SMTP) ^1 optionally, some other bits such as Subject line, but those are unreliable across clients. The problem with using the mailto: switch is with the SPAMOTS searching for valid e-mail addresses; they will send you tons of junk mail by scanning your web page. That's a common problem, if you compose your web page in the clear. You can hide your e-mail address from them using a little JavaScript; the web browser reads the script and displays the name and address visually, but the BOTS cannot render the mail address. ..or use this method, which works even when the visitor has JavaScript disabled: http://fingerlakesbmw.org/main/flobfuscate.php It works fine, except you cannot include the Subject field, JavaScript will allow this. The other option is to use a CGI script on your web server to record the form contents (data) and sernd you an e-mail with all the data fields filled in. Your sending e-mail address is hidden in a folder on the server where the BOTS cannot get to it. I use web forms plus obfuscated mailtos on all my web sites, and bot-harvested spam is non-existent. But I believe your comments don't address the original question, at least as I have interpreted Dustbin's question. I think he was asking what protocol he uses for writing to the clicked mailto address, or he means what protocol the web site uses to send mail to the webmaster. I provided a neat work around above with a CGI script residing on the web server. Since the subject is hazy, I should mention that mailtos don't work for any visitor who does *not* have an email client, but who uses, say, a hotmail or yahoo-type web-based email system only. Clicking the mailto will never open the visitors' browsers to their webmail page. -- Armadillo Web Development www.armadilloweb.com Cell: 903.244.3644 Opening your Door to Opportunity and inviting the world to walk through. Character is doing the right thing... Even when no one is watching... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Michael Gordon wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: [snip as this is OT] You can hide your e-mail address from them using a little JavaScript; the web browser reads the script and displays the name and address visually, but the BOTS cannot render the mail address. ..or use this method, which works even when the visitor has JavaScript disabled: http://fingerlakesbmw.org/main/flobfuscate.php It works fine, except you cannot include the Subject field, JavaScript will allow this. Sure you can. Here's a sample result from my obfuscation page: a href='#109;#97;#105;#108;#116;#111;#58;#117;#115;#101;#114;#64;#101;#120;#97;#109;#112;#108;#101;#46;#99;#111;#109;#63;#115;#117;#98;#106;#101;#99;#116;#61;#97;#100;#100;#43;#115;#117;#98;#106;#101;#99;#116;#43;#116;#101;#120;#116;'#117;#115;#101;#114;#64;#101;#120;#97;#109;#112;#108;#101;#46;#99;#111;#109;#63;#115;#117;#98;#106;#101;#99;#116;#61;#97;#100;#100;#43;#115;#117;#98;#106;#101;#99;#116;#43;#116;#101;#120;#116;/a ..which will show the following clickable in your web page: u...@example.com?subject=add+subject+text I provided a neat work around above with a CGI script residing on the web server. I use PHP scripts on my web form contact pages. Here's a sample how-to, that is much easier than dealing with a CGI script: http://safalra.com/programming/php/contact-feedback-form/ -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Michael Gordon wrote: [snip as this is OT] You can hide your e-mail address from them using a little JavaScript; the web browser reads the script and displays the name and address visually, but the BOTS cannot render the mail address. ..or use this method, which works even when the visitor has JavaScript disabled: http://fingerlakesbmw.org/main/flobfuscate.php It works fine, except you cannot include the Subject field, JavaScript will allow this. Sure you can. Here's a sample result from my obfuscation page: a href='#109;#97;#105;#108;#116;#111;#58;#117;#115;#101;#114;#64;#101;#120;#97;#109;#112;#108;#101;#46;#99;#111;#109;#63;#115;#117;#98;#106;#101;#99;#116;#61;#97;#100;#100;#43;#115;#117;#98;#106;#101;#99;#116;#43;#116;#101;#120;#116;'#117;#115;#101;#114;#64;#101;#120;#97;#109;#112;#108;#101;#46;#99;#111;#109;#63;#115;#117;#98;#106;#101;#99;#116;#61;#97;#100;#100;#43;#115;#117;#98;#106;#101;#99;#116;#43;#116;#101;#120;#116;/a ..which will show the following clickable in your web page: u...@example.com?subject=add+subject+text I provided a neat work around above with a CGI script residing on the web server. I use PHP scripts on my web form contact pages. Here's a sample how-to, that is much easier than dealing with a CGI script: http://safalra.com/programming/php/contact-feedback-form/ Very good examples. We now have several different ways to accomplish the same task. -- Armadillo Web Development www.armadilloweb.com Cell: 903.244.3644 Opening your Door to Opportunity and inviting the world to walk through. Character is doing the right thing... Even when no one is watching... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: This is not exactly on topic - web forms transmission.
Michael Gordon wrote: Very good examples. We now have several different ways to accomplish the same task. On the web, there are many ways to skin the cat. :-) BTW, I found your touchbase.html page. I see it leads to the NMS version of Matt's old script. It's good you're using the updated and secure version. (your arm.pl) I always write my own, strictly in PHP, such as this one: http://tekrider.net/pages/tekcontact.php though the core is the same across all my sites. The whole page, form and emailing, is about 7KB. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
